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d1g1k1tty · 8 months
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I keep thinking about this, and I don’t remember if I’ve already said this on here, but Miraculous Ladybug is the only fandom where you will have four very distinct and unique ship dynamics from the same two people.
Like, I adore Adrienette. It’s the classic, dare I say, the OG. It’s just two awkward kids who kinda have crushes on each other. It’s cute and it reminds me of a simpler time. They’re both kind-hearted and shit. It’s just-- akfaljaf;ajfk They were my favorite in middle school and I’m attached. I used to watch that timeskip comic video on Youtube. You probably know the one. I’m not even going to explain it. You know what it is. But, I will say that my favorite panels from that video were the ones were Marinette tells Adrien about her pregnancy by putting a bun in the oven, and he doesn’t get it at first. But anyway.
Then there’s Ladynoir. Again, a bit of an OG. It’s the casual banter, the partnership on the battlefield, the complete and utter trust they have in each other. I love them, and I miss them. I need the flirty Ladynoir dynamic again. 
Now, Marichat. I love Marichat, too. They’re just so goofy. It’s like when you meet someone who seems really cool and then you find out that they’re actually a huge dork, and they try to impress you the whole time. That’s the dynamic that they have and I live for it. And also, Chat is just,, so sweet with Marinette. And on the other side of the coin, it’s almost like the secret lover trope. Like, for God’s sake he literally can come in through the balcony in the middle of the night. I love the fics where he’ll just check in on Mari.
And finally... Ladrien. I’ll admit. Out of each ship in the love square, I really, reallly dislike Ladrien. It gives me the vibes of when celebrities get together with their fans... They distract each other too much, and not in the silly goofy way. I just don’t think it’s cute. That’s it. I think I’m done. 
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lostinthe--stars · 8 months
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Why MariChat is the best side of the Love Square (at least in the show)
I’m going to rank and go in depth about my thoughts on each side of the love square. Feel free to disagree with me.
Going from worst to best, we have:
Ladrien
4/10
I don’t like Ladrien. It’s the side of the love square that feels the weirdest, the least authentic. It’s the side of the love square where they’re both at their least genuine, where they’re both blinded by the mask - Adrien loves who he perceives Ladybug to be (super smart, confident, a super heroine), and Ladybug loves who she perceives Adrien to be (the boy who can’t be free, who plays by all the rules).
Do they have some cute moments in the show? Yes, I’ll give you that. But it doesn’t take away how blinded this side of the love square is.
Coming up in third, we have:
LadyNoir
6/10
I feel like I might get destroyed for this, but hear me out.
They work fantastically as partners and friends, but I can’t see them working well as romantic partners (at least in the sense of this side of the square alone). Are they cute? Absolutely. Is it nice to imagine? Sure. Did I scream in the season 4 finale when he said ‘you haven’t lost me’. Fuck. Yes. But, even despite that, I don’t like LadyNoir, but it definitely isn’t the worst. I’m any other show (or in the movie) they could absolutely work and be better, but as we have it in the show, I love them just as friends and partners.
In a close second, we have:
Adrienette
8/10
Is this a controversial opinion? Maybe, who knows.
Of course, Adrienette is the ‘main’ side of the love square, and of course, I love them. They’re cute, I’m so glad they’re together now, buut they have nothing on MariChat.
Plus, the stalking, collection of trash, all the weird behaviour of Marinette kind of dampens things, but once she tones it down it definitely improves things. And, I love it when it flips and Adrien’s the one pining after Marinette, it was cute.
And of course, saving the best for last:
MariChat
10/10
I could go on for hours about why these guys are the best side, but I’ll do my best to condense all my thoughts and feelings.
They’re the complete opposite to Ladrien. They’re at their most genuine together. They’re their most genuine selves, and they aren’t blinded by the image of the other.
They have a wonderful friendship, and the way they can talk and confide in each other is always sweet and beautiful.
The MariChat we got in season 5 was everything and encapsulated everything that makes them so good (aside from the way they then got ruined almost immediately).
Together, they can let go and be completely real with each other, because there’s nothing standing in their way. No image, no expectations, just them, letting everything out and being vulnerable together in a way no other side of the square can, including Adrienette.
This is why, without a doubt, MariChat is the best side.
Thanks for listening
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miraculermarinette · 2 years
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Ladybug at the end of strickback : *literally has a panic attack*
(some of) the fandom : Omg Adrien is comforting her, ladrien moment 🥰🥰🥰💕
What's sad is that it seems like even the writers only added that moment for Ladrien fanservice. If they actually wanted to expand on Marinette's mental health or the situation she's stuck in, they could have done it differently. But considering that her problems after her breakup were only given two episodes to expand on, I doubt the writers wanted to show anything besides Ladrien.
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blacktiredandnerdy · 7 months
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While I am very aware that the love square is the same two people no matter which way you slice it, I really hate Ladrien for some reason. Like I just cannot get into it. Any other side is fine by me with Marichat being my favorite. But idk man. Like I wanted to read this one Ladrien fic so bad because the premise sounded so interesting to me, but I just couldn’t do it. I just can’t stand it, and it bores me to tears.
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noirshitsuji · 11 months
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1, 3, 6 and 7 for Choose Violence ask game?
oh boy ok
i was gonna go down the funny route with this to like not offend ppl but honestly i have only been back for very little so can't really do that sdfhsdjkf
i'm gonna preface this by saying that this is very much my /impressions/ of fandom that are probably not up to date and stuff, but as this is a violence game etc etc. the only real harsh part is for 6 i'd say
(1) the character everyone gets wrong - I could pick a bunch here but Nino and Alya both as a tie I think? I'm not sure how common it is across the board rn but I feel like there are (or used to be) ways in which Alya gets reduced down to 'sassy/confident/reliable BFF' for Marinette and Nino's anxious tendencies get overlooked in favour of him being the chill/supportive BFF for Adrien
(3) screenshot or description of the worst take you've seen on tumblr - i mean. the adrien salters. you know the ones sdhfsjkf this post isn't long enough
(6) which ship fans are the most annoying? - u know. i was gonna say that anyone who fights over which side of the ls the best/gets repped the most/any kind of comparative ls discourse drives me up the wall.
but actually i will choose violence and say specifically that back in the day (i hope it is now in the past) a bunch of the ladrien shippers definitely needed to go out and touch some grass. i remember seeing ppl say things with reference to ladrien that can only be interpreted as 'salt' by someone who's never eaten anything seasoned but that have caused ppl to react with tirades of the 'woe is my ship' variety and start up discourse for nothing
(7) what character did you begin to hate not because of canon but because how how the fandom acts about them? - i can honestly say i hate no character but (and i know you will not like this answer coco) im not particularly attached to zoe and don't really see why ppl are. same w/ lila tbh; nothing against either of them otherwise (and i find interpretations on lila's lying tendencies interesting, even), but not my blorbos. im not against becoming attached (and i haven't watched s5 so there's space for that i assume) but yes
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emsylcatac · 8 months
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"ladrien makes me uncomfortable" sorry you can't handle too much love, can't relate 😌💅
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lostuntothisworld · 3 months
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They really did have Adrichat really say he hated cauliflower with bechamel sauce in season 4, and then named Marinette Comrade Bechamel the following season where they get together
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gentil-minou · 1 year
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2021
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And no mari.bat at all the balance has been restored 😌
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Now put ladrien at a higher place like it deserves dammit
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ladyofthenoodle · 1 year
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okay i lied in my last tags i am annoyed that they got over their kwamis leaving in like 3 seconds, didn’t even consider saying goodbye to their partner, and didn’t seem worried that their partner was gone. what happened to marinette being so in love with chat noir last episode? what happened to chat noir being ready to cataclysm scarabella when ladybug didn’t show up? who are these people?
them giving up their miraculous was set up pretty well imo, the episode showed us how miserable they were and gave them a push from the kwamis. but… they’re just over it so quickly. and yeah, there must be a huge sense of relief, especially for marinette, and yeah, they’re excited to be together… but why aren’t they worried about their partners? i’ve accepted (or, well, i’m trying) that canon wants to kill romantic ladynoir, but it seems like now even their friendship doesn’t matter at all. i really want to love this season and the first half of the episode (plus the adrinette hand raising scene) was SO GOOD. but. but.
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charlietheepicwriter7 · 3 months
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A very merry Christmas to you, @2-depressed-4-u . It is I, your secret santa from @mlsecretsanta . I have had a wonderful time talking to you this year (even if I wasn't supposed to, oops), and hope you have a wonderful holiday.
And now, without further ado, your present.
I Don't Need Sleep, I Need Answers
If his father could see his room at that moment, Adrien was sure the man would faint with shock. Fortunately, Gabriel Agreste was needed in China to investigate one of his companies’ main manufacturers, so Adrien was in the clear… for now.
His room looked like his couch was almost pushed up against one wall, but he’d left a foot of space between it and the wall so he had full access to his masterpiece. Along the north-facing wall was a chaotic conspiracy board, with red string threading from picture to picture. Some of his pieces of evidence were printed out from his computer, like the article about Marinette designing for Jagged Stone or the picture of Ladybug kissing him from back during the Oblivo incident. Others were hand drawn to the best of his ability if he couldn’t find an appropriate image online.
But in the end, all the pictures led back to a center image: his limited edition poster of Ladybug.
Plagg hovered near one of the most important pieces of evidence, the feathered bolo hat Marinette had made. “Hey, kid… when’s the last time you got any sleep?” he asked, his eyes flickering between Adrien and his evidence wall.
“I don’t need any sleep,” Adrien spat, climbing over and onto the back of the couch so he could connect some string between a picture of Marinette and badly-drawn recreation of Multimouse. On the hand drawn page, he wrote no earrings????, with multiple question marks going off the page and onto the wall. “I need answers.”
“I thought you’d decided that you weren’t going to look for Ladybug’s identity anymore?”
The boy scoffed. “I thought so too, but you didn’t see what I saw! During that last akuma battle, Ladybug left, and then… Marinette was there! She always hides during akuma battles, she wouldn’t just run around during one, unless…” He pinned another picture to the wall, wrinkling the paper with his force. “She was Ladybug.”
Plagg sighed. “Or she was trapped in the area and took it as her chance to run. Or she was hiding but someone was in danger, so she rushed out to help. Or some other reason why she’d risk her life. Why don’t you just ask her, kid?”
“Because if she’s Ladybug, she’d just lie!” Adrien explained. “I know how this works, Plagg; we’re not supposed to know each other’s identities. Ladybug sticks to that rule better than me… and no matter how good of a person she is, or how much Marinette hates liars, she’d still be willing to lie to protect herself.”
“If she’s lying to protect herself, then wouldn’t she be safer if you didn’t discover who she is? If you stopped your investigation now, before someone gets hurt?”
Adrien shook his head, picking up another picture of Ladybug. “You don’t understand, Plagg. She shouldn’t have to look out for herself. I should be the one to do it for her.”
I Don't Need Sleep, I Need Answers
Adrien’s plan started the next day at school.
Keeping an eye on Marinette proved impossible when she sat directly behind him, but he kept a keen ear on her and Alya’s conversation. While he didn’t think his Lady would be so blasé to discuss her superheroine life where anyone could hear her, he was expecting at least some reference. Alya was her best friend after all; he’d certainly let things slip to Nino throughout his months as Chat Noir.
But no. There was nothing. When not distracted by classwork, all they talked about was the Ladyblog, and Marinette’s new commissions for Kitty Selection. So, it was onto plan B.
When Plagg was trying to talk him out of this—and really, wasn’t that evidence unto itself, that Plagg was trying to talk him out of investigating—he’d said that Adrien reminded him of Alya. Reminded him that Alya had once done the same thing to Chloe, and gotten akumatized for it. But Adrien wouldn’t get akumatized! For one thing, Marinette was in no way like Chloe. For another, Adrien, and Alya back then, had direct evidence that Chloe wasn’t Ladybug, since Chloe was often seen with or around Ladybug.
Outside of the Multimouse incident, had Adrien ever seen Ladybug save or even talk to Marinette?
No.
But Plagg’s words had reminded him that he wasn’t the only person who’d ever searched for Ladybug’s identity. And his best ally sat behind him and to the left.
Adrien pulled Alya to the side during lunch, with Marinette watching curiously and Nino shaking his head in amusement before engaging Marinette in a conversation. Adrien knew he could count on him. And when he found an abandoned classroom to talk to Alya, he swallowed and began to explain.
She’d looked nervous, when he began, but as he kept explaining all his evidence as to why Marinette could be Ladybug, a thoughtful expression bloomed on her face. But that didn’t mean she automatically believed him. And then she asked a damnable question. “What about Lila?”
Ah. He’d forgotten about Lila.
He preferred to forget about her rather than think about—
Alya continued. “Because she and Ladybug are best friends, you know? But I’m pretty sure Marinette hates Lila. Not that she’d ever say she hates Lila, but she refuses to go to girl’s day when Lila is invited, and she leaves sleep-overs early when she’s there, but Lila has no idea why—”
Oh, Adrien had a good idea why. And it was the same reason why Adrien had convinced his father to only allow single or boys-only shoots for him this spring, that it was more fashionable that way.
“Maybe it’s a ruse?” He offered instead. “Maybe Marinette’s only pretending to dislike Lila so she doesn’t find out her identity? It’s not like Lila has ever said she knew Ladybug’s identity.”
“Well, she did imply it once…” When did that happen!? Adrien might be mostly ignoring Lila at this point, but how did he miss that? “But she backtracked when I asked some more questions, so I think she only suspects she knows who Ladybug is. But if Marinette is Ladybug, then we could talk to her and she doesn’t have to pretend to hate Lila anymore!”
Alya gave a blinding smile. Adrien didn’t have the heart to tell her that Marinette definitely would not change her opinion of Lila if they discovered her identity.
In fact, she might yell at them both.
I Don't Need Sleep, I Need Answers
With Alya on board to stalk Marinette for all the wrong reasons, Adrien had started to feel a little more secure in his plan to discover Ladybug’s identity. For the rest of lunch and the remainder of class, Alya used some leading questions on Marinette to try and get any information, but she was like a steel wall. Alya had even thought up a cool audience participation event where Ladyblog would post everyone’s fan heroes that sounded really interesting.
(Marinette said she’d want to be a black cat hero! She was so cute—)
But there was nothing that pointed towards Marinette being Ladybug. After school, once Alya had begged off girl squad duties and Adrien had lied about an extra long fencing meeting, the two met up to stalk Marinette.
First, she spent a few hours at Eiffel Tower, designing. Then, she spent an hour in a fabric store, picking out a few yards of champagne fabric, all of which looked the same to Adrien’s discerning eye, but were clearly different to her. And finally, she met her parents at a local Italian bistro for dinner. And despite spending their entire afternoon stalking her, they’d learned nothing.
Nothing except the fact that Marinette had an adorable habit of talking to herself when she was alone, but that wasn’t strictly evidence.
Alya sat back on the bench, pulling her disguise hat down to cover her eyes. Marinette and her family were clearly visible from the restaurant window. “Maybe she isn’t Ladybug?” Alya asked. “I mean, Ladybug usually patrols in the afternoon, and she hasn’t left our sight all day!”
That was more because Adrien had offered to talk Ladybug’s afternoon patrol that day, but Alya didn’t need to know that. He hiked the newspaper with holes cut out for eyes higher onto his face. “She could be having an off day?”
“No. Adrien, what was your real reason for—”
Suddenly, the ground shook and people screamed as an akuma, eye-screaming pink and cackling at the top of his lungs, whipped past. They shot to their feet. Alya begged off to chase after the akuma and Adrien let her, his eyes glued to the window. Her family was still there, but Marinette was gone. Was she in the restroom? Or…
“Adrien, what are you doing?”
“I’m just going to check,” he told his kwami, running to the backside of the bistro. If Marinette was Ladybug, she’d have to escape out the back, right?
“There’s an akuma! Come on, you have to—”
“I just need to check!” He scolded. He was almost there!”
“Damn it, kid!” Adrien froze. Was Plagg… mad at him? Plagg was never mad at him! “This has gone on long enough! Is your love life really worth other people’s lives!?”
No. No it wasn’t. And Ladybug would hate him if he even considered for a second skipping out on a battle just to look for her identity.
Really, there was only one choice left.
“Plagg, claws out.”
“Finally!”
He’d have to try again another day. Think of a new plan of attack. But for now, he was Chat Noir. And Chat Noir had a fight to win.
I Don't Need Sleep, I Need Answers
The next day, Plagg immediately wriggled his way into Marinette’s purse, where Tikki sat, contently eating a chocolate-chip cookie.
“Sugar Cube, you’ve got to make sure your user is more careful,” he said, rubbing his head with his paws. “Adrien almost found out her identity!”
“What!?”
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purrincess-chat · 1 year
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Just to clarify that we are all watching the same show (bc I've seen so many takes that make me question my sanity), let's do a love square run down. Correct me if I'm wrong, but:
LadyNoir: Chat put aside his feelings for Ladybug after spending the entirety of s4 being sidelined and chastised for having feelings for her. Ladybug made a mistake with Adrien that has made her too traumatized to pursue him, so she turned to Chat Noir who has now stated that he only loves her as a friend. (Which is probably a lie, he more than likely still loves her but is just trying to respect boundaries she set in s4)
MariChat: Marinette loves Chat bc of her interactions/friendship with him as Ladybug (Chat does not know this). Chat Noir loves Marinette bc of his interactions/friendship with her as Adrien (Marinette does not know this). They both pretty much decided that they couldn't be together in this way, even if it hurts, as a result of information they don't have. (Identities)
Adrinette: Again, Marinette harbors a lot of trauma surrounding Adrien (Adrien does not know this) so she's running away from feelings she clearly still has. Adrien, after giving Ladybug space and growing closer to Marinette, is in love with Marinette and actively pursuing her. This will likely still be a problem bc of the way Marinette is currently feeling, but he's gonna try. Results are pending.
Ladrien: No where to be seen in s5 atm, but we can glean from the other sides that Ladybug would likely be apprehensive around him, and Adrien would probably be respectful/polite. They both know she screwed up and is likely feeling some kind of way about that.
Did I get that right? Is there another version of canon floating around out there that other people are watching? Am I missing an episode? Please let me know for my sanity bc if I have to read another 'x side is canon, all the others are dead' post when none of the sides are actually canon right now, I just might lose it, yall.
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Why is Marichat almost always called the "authentic" side of the square when it's the side where they can be least honest about their struggles? That's not a critique, I'm legitimately asking how that logic works, because the authentic stuff is why I like Ladrien.
Ladiren is the side where Adrien can be fully honest about his home life, which is his biggest struggle, and Marinette can be fully honest about the Ladybug stuff, which is her biggest struggle unless you play up the Lila stuff. Marichat requires Marinette to avoid talking about all the Ladybug stuff and Adrien would have to avoid talking in detail about his home life because it might clue Marinette in on his identity. Because of that, I always considered Marichat the "escapism" side of the square. The side where they both ignore their problems and just have fun, which is what we usually see in canon, too. That isn't a bad thing, I just struggle to see why that's considered more authentic.
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annahi-red · 7 months
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I always hated the Copycat episode, I watched it again and now I know why I hate it so much.
It is normal for the writers of Miraculous to leave Chat as useless and they made it clear from the first season (although there are chapters that he shines and others where, without him, they totally lost, speaking during s1).
Now, Copycat is simple. Theo is interested in Ladybug, Chat gets jealous and hints that both heroes have something. Theo, jealous, envious and somewhat possessive, ends up being akumatized because he believes that he is the only one worthy of Ladybug's love.
Copycat leaves Chat in a very bad light and he wants to face his copy alone. But here comes the problem. Chat is totally humiliated by Copy and it's something I hates. Why didn't they let Chat face the copy? It was an akuma that he provoked and maybe he deserved it, but got kicked so hard.
And I'm complaining because later we have the Antibug chapter.
In s1 both Chat and Ladybug have akumas against them with their same powers, but while Ladybug can take on Antibug ALONE, Chat is humiliated and needs Ladybug's help. Both Copycat and Antibug are akumas that they caused and I find it unfair that only one of them was able to defeat the copy without being humiliated.
Chat had more experience with that powers, while an akuma with the same powers beats him in five minutes…
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Reminder alert!
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This is a reminder to everyone in the fandom to be cautious of hate blogs from various social media’s (especially YouTube) spreading misinformation and misinterpretations. Never forget that the internet lies.ALL.THE.TIME.
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xhanisai · 8 months
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One thing I will always love about the Miraculous show is how they portrayed Adrien's interactions with Marinette and Ladybug's interactions with Chat Noir throughout all the seasons. That despite Adrien's and Ladybug's feelings for Marichat starting off platonically, they were still so tender and so sweet with them.
They didn't shy away from verbal and physical affection and the way they would marvel at marichat is so <33333
I just really love how while the show had Chat Noir fall for Ladybug and Marinette fall for Adrien immediately after they witnessed their strengths and kindness and determination, ladrien's journey for marichat was friends to lovers <33333333
They fell for each other fast and slow!!!!
They are slow-burn done right.
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chatonnoir · 1 year
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My dudes .... much like the past 4 seasons .... the show is still about Adrienette and Ladynoir .... while Ladrien and Marichat are limited to fun singular episodes each season .... Adrien realizing his feelings for Marinette and Ladybug realizing her feelings for Chat Noir means it’s still about Adrienette and Ladynoir. Just like how the past four seasons were not about Ladrien, y’all are not getting a Marichat-centric season .... Marinette fell in love with Chat Noir through her relationship with him as Ladybug .... the episodes going forward are still going to be focused on the relationships between Adrienette and Ladynoir, as they always have been. The lovesquare is not reversing but completing.
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