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#just like actual real life villain
liauditore · 8 months
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cw// implied character death, double life nonsense
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because you are love itself.
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acotarfrustrations · 4 months
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Honestly we could REALLY get into the fact that a lot of the insanity in Acotar is an excellent exercise in why you can't really separate the art from the author.
Sjm's zionism is OBVIOUS in the text. The ic destabilize governments to the detriment of people they will never have to care for, steal artifacts from other countries, displace people, cause invasions, commit war crimes for 50 years "for the greater good" all while their own people are living under unchecked brutality and poverty.
They are rich megalomaniacs that care for no one but themselves and their own emotional and material satisfaction and they are PRAISED for it. In fact anyone who even remotely disagrees with the IC is almost always one of the villains in the story (Beron, Tamlin, etc) as if to condition the reader that asking questions that are critical of the IC puts you on the wrong side of the narrative morally.
All of that sounds REALLL familiar huh?
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lasdelaintuicion · 4 months
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everybody who talks about sex as something everybody (and they almost always mean men) is entitled to, can be discriminated FROM or can achieve social justice through others giving it to them, should kill themselves 🩷 women arent a resource or consolation prize that society owes you
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shu-of-the-wind · 9 months
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O N C E A G A I N I AM GOING TO POP MY HEAD OFF AND YEET IT INTO THE STRATOSPHERE BECAUSE I AM SO SICK OF HAVING TO EXPLAIN THIS
A PROTAGONIST IS THE HERO OF THE STORY. THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BE GOOD. THEY DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE MORALLY CORRECT DECISIONS. IN FACT IT IS GREAT IF THEY DO NOT. THEM BEING THE HERO OF THE STORY DOES NOT MAKE THEM A REAL LIFE HERO AND DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE RIGHT OR EVEN GOOD. IT JUST MEANS THEY ARE THE MAIN CHARACTER OF THE STORY THAT IS BEING TOLD.
CONVERSELY AN ANTAGONIST IS THE VILLAIN OF THE STORY. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE A BAD PERSON OR THAT THEY ARE DOING BAD THINGS. IT MEANS THEY ARE THE ANTITHESIS AND OPPONENT OF THE HERO. IN FACT THEY MAY EVEN BE THE MORALLY CORRECT PERSON IN THE NARRATIVE.
BEING A STORY'S VILLAIN DOES NOT MAKE A CHARACTER EVIL JUST AS BEING A STORY'S HERO DOES NOT MAKE A CHARACTER GOOD.
I AM BEGGING YOU ALL TO LEARN READING COMPREHENSION.
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fissions-chips · 5 months
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Thinking about Evil Polycule again but Fucked Up
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yuridovewing · 8 months
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Feel like one of the best ways you can convince someone that no, villains with compelling motives that have sad backstories are not terrible writing compared to straight up born evil villains who just want to kill everyone and be done with it, is to tell them that Warrior Cats writes born evil villains constantly while literally preaching “That’s how evil works, you can’t CHANGE, you’re either touched by demons at birth or you aren’t!” and it blows chunks
#brokenstar tigerstar hawkfrost darktail one eye etc etc would all be so much more interesting if they werent so one note#and just had ‘’born evil’’ slapped on as their explanation for being evil#‘’ew why are you woobifying tigerstar’’ because i think a villain who feels emotion besides ‘’evil’’ and ‘’angry’’ and actually does care#about his clanmates but is also a bigot that deserves to be beaten down is more interesting than canon#to get like real world political here… abusive people and bigots like. are not one note born evil demons#they have loved ones and reasons for turning out the way they did. and im not saying that to go ‘’so you need to give them grace!’’#im saying that because the line of thinking that every bad person is a super obvious mustache twirling villain with no soul#makes it so that people justify abuse and crimes from REAL people. like ‘’oh my friend says some racist things but he isnt BAD! he loves me!#would an abusive person be nice to his wife in public? of course not!’’#and its rhetoric like that that lets abuse and bigotry thrive. if you put the world in categories of born evil and born good#then you will dismiss all the ‘’good’’ people in your life who have done horrible things with ‘’but she donated to charity once’’#i mean. hell this LITERALLY happens in wc where the ‘’born good’’ characters are abusive and murderously xenophobic#where characters like clear sky and blackstar just get a sticker like ‘’oh you cant be TOO mad at them! theyre good at heart!’’#‘’ignore all the times they killed vulnerable people for the crime of being born somewhere they didnt like! they were nice to a kid once!’’#the message there is literally ‘’bad people cant REALLY be bad if theyre nice to people sometimes’’#like. im not even mad at clear sky being motivated by witnessing his loved ones starve to death for why hes such an abusive control freak#thats an interesting reason to become a villain especially since the change happened when he was put in a position of power#the problem is not him having a sad backstory. the problem is the erins think his sad backstory means he was never that bad#and anyone who’s upset at him can go eat shit and die cause he looked sad#like. i get this line of thinking often comes from writers doing this for abuse apologism and just wanting to see abusers be held accountabl#accountable#but how exactly does it help victims of abuse to portray abusers and bigots in a christian ‘’touched by the devil’’ light
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chadsuke · 14 days
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Comics Read in 2024:
Villains are Destined to Die Vol. 1 by Gyeoeul Gwon & Suol (2021)
Villains are Destined to Die Vol. 2 by Gyeoeul Gwon & Suol (2021)
Villains are Destined to Die Vol. 3 by Gyeoeul Gwon & Suol (2021)
Villains are Destined to Die Vol. 4 by Gyeoeul Gwon & Suol (2022)
Villains are Destined to Die Vol. 5 by Gyeoeul Gwon & Suol (2022)
Villains are Destined to Die Vol. 6 by Gyeoeul Gwon & Suol (2023)
My In-Laws are Obsessed With Me Vol. 1 by Yunseol Han & Seungu (2023)
My In-Laws are Obsessed With Me Vol. 2 by Yunseol Han & Seungu (2023)
My In-Laws are Obsessed With Me Vol. 3 by Yunseol Han & Seungu (2024)
[ID: Covers of the aforementioned books. End ID.]
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blueskyysincerity · 1 year
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The Romantic 𓆩♡𓆪
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Since the beginning of their friendship, Villain always makes sure that Hero is always comfortable with them, to have a shoulder to cry on, to be there when no one else is there for them. Villain didn't even know why they do that, they're supposed to compete with them. Why do they care so much about their well being? If they're home safe or if they're happy, smiling?
"Why do you care so much about me?" The Hero asked that the other day, both of their hands on their gray-ish coat while looking meaningfully at the Villain. Their shoulder was touching the Villain, their steps were at sync.
Villain didn't even respond for a moment, just started to stare at the path below them. "Because I have feelings for you." Villain thought, "Because I want to see you content. I want to hear you laugh. I want to see those mesmerizing eyes that I cannot pull away from soften just by looking at me. I want you to say random stuff to me even if it's short just say what's on your mind and I'll be listening. I want to hear you, see you. I want you."
They could've atleast said that, but all that Villain mustered was "It's the least I can do."
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khalesci · 1 month
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d.une discourse crossing over into a.soiaf discourse is the worst possible thing that could have happened actually bc now there are a lot of dudebros trying to say that paul and dany "have the same arc actually" and I am going to pull my hair out like please and I mean this in the most disrespectful way possible, shut the fuck up
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i kinda think part of why people treat donnie as less caring than he is is like. sometimes not knowing when he's joking? like that time he threatens to be "semi-lethal" when splinter's in the truck with meat sweats. like i'm sure most of you knew he was joking but like. do some of you realise he like, would not have done that? like remember how he was sad? when splinter actually got hurt? same with leo in the movie? and all of them at every other time?
like he's self proclaimed funniest. and also a mad scientist aesthetic doesn't make a character a villain by itself it's what you actually do with that (yes he has done bad things within that area (haunted stare towards mind meld) but you have to admit he like. did fix those. and feel bad and hopefully learn his lesson but hey that's another analysis)
i have mixed feelings on villain donnie stuff, as an example, because like. ANY character put in a situation where they lose their way is really fun and if in character is really interesting as to what could cause that.
but when it's treated as like. inevitable. who he is, or phrasing his brothers are the only thing stopping him being evil. it's like hm. ugh. kind of hurts a bit actually but that's probably because i relate to him ghfdjk
like the seen in snow day with the tech bo chainsaw like. all he really DOES is cut a snowman there but he's just like. leaning into being "evil" with the chainsaw but like he's just being silly with it. acting like that's proof of anything is wild to me, without any other data points.
also kind of separate but i think there's a dissonance between what is like. seen as evil? between me and like most people lol. like the scene in the movie as well with like "finally, man and machine, entwixt in perfect bionic synergy" someone i watched it with was like "haha evil moment" or whatever where i was just like. yeah real that would be rad as hell. honestly gender also.
not saying he's never done anything wrong but i am saying he immediately tries to fix all of those things
anyway he does have a really interesting relationship with morals in my eyes but like, at his core he really cares about people, you know?
this isn't hate to anyone btw i just care about donnie a lot as a character and as really layered autistic representation
#rottmnt#rottmnt donnie#donnie analysis#making that a tag now because i know what i'm like#rottmnt analysis#i can write so much about donnie. idk if it's good. or accurate. but i can write it#unrelated but it's so funny when people say donnie's cishet or homophobic even (the latter as a joke but. not my type of humor personally)#and then say he's villain coded. like lol. i laugh. i know it's probably different sets of people for the most part but yeah#especially if they compare him to megamind specifically. like okay#megamind famous bisexual neurodivergent and you know. no longer even a villain at the end#like i'm not saying you're wrong i'm saying that it's actually more than just surface level theater kid stuff there (that too though)#like donnie has people who care about him from the start. they're not “keeping him in check” (yikes?) they're caring about him. nuance#but yeah like. genuinely i think it's interesting how he's seen as villain-coded#like i know villains and queer-coding is a known thing but i'm just wondering. is that also a thing with autistic-coding#or do people just naturally not get autistic people in real life and find them scary and that just carries across in responses to fiction#idk#donnie villain fic where he sees how he's perceived anyway by fanon and just gives up on being good#joke but i guess you can steal that just write it well if you do. for me. idk if it'd even be a villain concept really there#he'd probably just be like. sad. and try even harder to be good.#also what about mikey villain fics huh. there's literally a cut episode that would be so fun to play with#anyway feedback appreciated#this was so train of thought i'm sure some of it's unclear
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concerto-roblox · 10 months
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my rejection-sensitive ass trying to internalise that someone saying they hate a character that i like doesn't mean they're personally attacking me and people are allowed to express negative opinions on the internet (i am not succeeding and believe everyone hates me for having fun in the wrong way)
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4giorno · 5 months
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anyone sometimes remember the final feast trailer and get pissed off bc of how they did fucking nothing with arlecchino
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perenlop · 1 year
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king dedede @ magolor after arriving on halcandra
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#egg engines is kinda a hellscape LMAO#dangerous dinner aint much better#its either abandoned mechanical wasteland full of sewage or Lava Place#no wonder he just stays inside the lor all the time#this actually factors into my own hcs abt him actually like. he grew up on halcandra so long after the ancients left it decrepit#and he grew up being told stories abt their exploits and abt galactic nova and hes named after the lor itself#(hes trans in my hc but didnt change his name bc he likes the honor and its not gendered)#so he expected to be just like the wizards who came before him and trained all hus life but ultimately was judt a shadow of what they were#and his planet is near uninhabitable and he also grew up alone after a point in time#so he wanted to live somewhere else but bc his ego is so inflated by him being a descendant hes like. a conquerer and a bitch#this isnt me woobifying him hes still a villain in the first game very much but he’s egotistical and has no people skills#and he thinks hes supposed to be this grand inventor wizard who everyone should bow down to#hes got a complex is what im saying#and he was wayyyy in over his head and he literally nearly dies from the master crowns possession#echoed voice#also think hes really close to the rtdl gang and lor post redemption bc theyre the first real friends hes ever had#i mean the lor lets him fly it still so i think it likes him. i think it finds him endearing bc it did know the ancients#and hes like…. wow i have friends now. im gonna break my back trying to impress them’’ and builds multiple theme parks#styled after him ofc bc hes still obsessed w himself he just knows not to pull that shit now#rtdl liveblog#damn this was a meme post and i went blorbo mode on magolor sorry. lmao
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msfcatlover · 6 months
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If your “holy grail” of characterization uses said character as nothing more than a prop to move the plot along, while objectifying them to hell & back, gives them minimal motivation, no agency to speak of, calls back to some of the most messed up shit they’ve done to people in a tee-hee isn’t that cute! light, and the only possibly character revealing choice they make is given less than a page of buildup and just so happens to be exactly what needed to happen to reinstate the status quo and never mention this little side adventure again (making it feel way more like writer convenience, rather than character-motivated choices)…
…If this is seriously the best version of this character you can point to, you can’t honestly expect me to see them as any deeper or more complex than the shallow prop this specific story used them for.
#my life#mine#fandoms all#I’m not tagging this#I’m just venting; I don’t want to get caught up in the discourse#Rant continued with more specificity in the rest of the tags#if you want to actually read my salt#for some reason#//#Anyway#I did not like ‘’Son of the Demon.’’#(I know I've said this before but I'm thinking about it again)#Talia has the personality of an off brand saltine cracker and not even the kind that set my allergies off as a fun gamble.#‘’Oh but she never assaulted Bruce in that!’’ No but if you go to literally the page before they fuck they’re reminiscing about the wedding#that she drugged & manipulated him into. The one where when he came to Bruce immediately said he did not consent to this leading to both#Talia & Ra’s laughing in his face and telling Bruce that his consent didn’t matter at all.#(In SotD she points out they're still married and Bruce says that wedding didn't ''feel real'' to him. Because he was. Y'know. DRUGGED.)#‘’Read her early appearances’’ I did! Turns out she’s a prop character who exists for sex appeal and occasional villain activities#when one of the /men/ in her life is too busy to handle things themselves.#Her personality traits are 1) Loyal to her father & his cause by extension. 2) In love with Batman. 3) Indecisive as fuck#(Though again that last trait might just be bad writing;changing her own thoughts on her plan/motive literally IN BETWEEN adjacent panels.)#‘’She gave Damian away as a sign of strength & love to save him from this life!’’She gave Damian away with zero shown about her thoughts on#the matter and… oh hey! Quick & easy way to write that baby out without bothering future plot! BACK TO THE STATUS QUO!#(Talia didn’t decide to give her baby up for adoption. Editorial did so that they could sweep this plot under a nice consequence free rug.)#I didn’t /hate/ SotD.#It did not fill me with incandescent rage the way some arcs I’ve read have. But I have /NO/IDEA/ why so many seem to love it so much.#And /especially/ no idea why people seem to love Talia in it.
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magentagalaxies · 11 months
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Jessamine is Passionate About Fictional AI Sentience But Not Real AI Sentience: An Essay
one thing about me is when it comes to talk of "sentient" AI irl i 100% don't buy it like technology is not that advanced and being able to act like a person doesn't make it a person, however whenever there's a question about if a fictional AI character is sentient i will go to bat for that character's humanity 100% of a time like fuck you they have just as much of a right to personhood as anyone else
i think it's bc in fiction like. all of these characters are fake, so distinguishing between which characters are fake-real and fake-fake is like. why limit yourself to what could happen in our world. like if we're already dealing with a universe where aliens/magic/etc. exists, why can't this android justifiably be as human as anyone else? plus irl almost all AI software is developed as part of this capitalistic hell structure we're in. no matter how "real" or "human" it feels, its function is to make you contribute to its creators' wealth, and its inability to go against this nature can't help but make it feel hollow and inhuman. however, all the best AI characters in fiction are able to go against their designated purpose, often being defined by it, and often being villainized for it
in our real world, the AI's "immoral" "behavior" is a product of it being a Things that serves capitalism. it's not making choices based on a sense of self beyond what it has been told to prioritize, and a lot of times this lack of human judgment can lead to terrible consequences (e.g. mental health AI chatbots that cannot accurately judge a situation and give appropriate advice, employed because it's cheaper than hiring human staff). but in fiction? AI's immoral behavior is frequently a product of it going against its designated purpose, seeing itself as a person and having to make difficult and morally questionable choices in order to strive for the feelings of personhood and autonomy. this is a far more interesting situation ethically (while an AI itself cannot be seen as morally responsible for its actions in our world, in fiction this AI wants to be a person so badly it's willing to commit moral wrongs to achieve its goal, despite the fact that true personhood would allow it to be seen as morally responsible for these crimes) which i think is also why AI characters, especially those that, y'know, kill people, are often very polarizing figures. this conversation can even be taken a step further into the "liking a fictional character does not mean condoning their actions" discourse, but i also often think about well, if you were in the position of this AI character, would you have done the same?
personally i've always found it very easy to empathize with "artificial" characters like clones, robots, etc. and fictional AI is no different. yes, if you're watching a piece of media and expecting the logic of our world, the AI is fake, and incapable of being a person. but if you're watching a piece of media with the goal of emotionally connecting to fictional characters (who are all inherently fake) and exploring universal themes through a heightened setting, AI characters are one of the most interesting tropes to explore this with. personally, I love AI characters because there's something so vivid about knowing you were designed for a specific purpose/life path and ultimately realizing that's not the life you, personally, want to live. your designers and the world around you doesn't even recognize you as a being that should be capable of wanting anything, much less something completely different, so achieving the life you want is an uphill battle of convincing others of your humanity and, when that often isn't possible, having to resort to the most extreme tactics to claw your way out of the life you were supposed to lead. you know no matter how close you get to this ideal life, there's always going to be some part of you that keeps others from perceiving you as "human", but you learn to embrace that and see every mundane experience as a major achievement
this narrative is especially relatable to me as a neurodivergent/nonbinary person, but i think it can be relatable for many different marginalized identities in different ways, or anyone whose "humanity" has been something often denied to them. but because people are often expecting fictional AI to follow the same logic as actual AI, when i defend robot characters who want to kill their human creators, people give me weird looks like i'm advocating for that in real life. listen, if our current AI situation feasibly produced an AI who was invented for one specific purpose but somehow fucking hated her job and was able to pursue a new life and was also queer (all without any of this being by design) then hell yeah i support her, but that's not what's happening. and in our current capitalistic chatbot hellscape where every company wants to convince you that you're chatting with a super intelligent AI friend to get you to pay for a premium membership, sometimes you have to hold fiction and reality to different standards and enjoy this story about a quest for humanity while also accepting that the people this journey applies to in our real world are often the ones being taken advantage of in our increasingly AI-dominated real world.
idk this was originally supposed to be a short post about how it's funny that i'm so goddamn passionate about AI characters in media while also not being into AI in the real world, but then i got thinking about why this is specifically and came to an interesting conclusion imo. tbh it's very surprising that i don't currently have any of my own projects featuring AI characters fighting for their own humanity bc it's a theme i love so much that i've rarely seen done right and i have so many opinions on it. maybe i will write something about this at some point, but for now if you have any pieces of media you enjoy with AI who are absolutely worthy of personhood pls send them my way!
#this post is obviously inspired by how much i love the concept of droid23 and constantly mourn their wasted potential#fans so often reduce them to ''evil doubles'' and have even questioned if emdroid is actually designed for violence#and the writers seem to endorse this villain interpretation#but personally? i think it's so much more interesting to think of them as real people in their own rights#yes their actions are immoral. but if they hadn't made that choice they themselves would never get to live any kind of life#and i think the story's so much more fascinating if this capitalistic structure that brought them into existence just for cheap labor#is the real villain#and the android/clone ''murderers'' while still committing a heinous act are given empathy for how they were forced into that situation#bc the only alternative would be to be denied any kind of personhood#i'm also thinking about cyborg noodle (bc i've been on a gorillaz kick lately)#idk if they've done anything with the character since phase 3 when noodle went missing#but i think it's fascinating the idea of like. noodle was canonically part of a child supersoldier experiment as a little kid#basically being designed for the life purpose of being a soldier. but instead she joined gorillaz to be a guitarist#and then when she went missing murdoc made a cyborg clone of her to be the new guitarist#but as soon as the real noodle came back they didn't need her anymore#and it would also be fascinating to bring cyborg noodle back bc noodle as a character essentially grew up throughtout the phases#(like she was 10 years old in the debut album‚ 14-ish in demon days‚ 18-ish in plastic beach‚ now she'd be in her 30s)#but i think the cyborg would always be a clone of noodle in phase two#so idk i doubt they'll do anything with this bc it's too character-heavy#but i'm very curious what the dynamic would be if they brought cyborg-noodle back. and if she wanted to be seen as her own person#especially if she's very different than the noodle we know today bc the ''real'' noodle has grown separately
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s0fter-sin · 1 year
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the new ep really reminded me of my disappointment of how completely chill hawks is with endeavour abusing his family. him discovering his personal hero was abusive in the exact same way his father was should be gut wrenching, a betrayal but he doesn’t react to it in anyway other than “i’m sure things are different now”. if they made him destroyed and angry and carried that through the villain hunt arc, it would just bolster the tension and support the distrust society has for heroes and the need to put that aside anyway in the face of a greater enemy
#apart from his reaction with nagent it feels like we havnt seen hawks’ actual personality#or him having any real emotional reaction to anything#oh yeah my mum betrayed me to villains ans it nearly got me killed but bc the government entity that bought me at 7 yrs old told me#to forget my old life it doesnt bother me#yeah the guy ive looked up to my entire life that was literally the only bright point in my incredibly abusive childhood turned out to also#be extremely abusive towards his family up to LAST YEAR but i think hes different now so it doesnt bother me#i get that having a subplot of him being pissed at endeavour and having to be near him anyway couldve made the arc a but messy#especially with how badly paced it is#but imagine if it was actually spread out nicely#hawks has the basis of an interesting character but so much of him is fanon interpretation#his attitude with the commission is so lacklustre#hes totally fine with everything theyve done to him and doesnt see anything wrong with it or them#it takes a nuanced story of a minor groomed by the government to be a killer and turns him into a bootlicker#even his stuff with twice which shouldve knocked him on his ass doesnt hit bc he just brushes passed his realisation#the entire endeavour redemption arc annoys me bc he gets it way too easily and doesnt face consequences#he still has hawks looking at him like the sun shines out his ass#he foisters his responsibility to take down dabi the monster he created onto his youngest child bc its too hard for him#but thats besides the point#hawks has so much potential but like pretty much everyone its just not explored enough#go beyond plus ultra#coming out of my cage and ive been doing just fine.txt#bnha#hawks#endeavour#enji todoroki
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