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hannah-maries-blog · 2 years

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Here we are yet again with the people invalidating and judging a popular mlm ship. This time? Buddie (Buck and Eddie from 911)

People say it's fetishization (which I don't doubt some of the people who ship them are doing that) but as someone who goes through the tags on Tumblr and TikTok and Twitter I don't see that. Maybe I just don't see as many posts as others or something (I haven't been in this fandom that long) but the majority of the posts about Buddie that I see are just discussing the show and parallels and headcanons and the differences in how they act around each other and others. A lot of fanfic is sexual but I thought that's how it was in most fandoms (I have not been a part of every fandom obvi but like fanfic has a reputation for being sexual).

People get so upset over any LGBTQ+ ship but I mostly see it with MLM ships. Whether it's people trying to invalidate the shipper/ship or people being homophobic or the good ol "why can't they just be friends?" (Bc that's usually all they ever are). Like yes seeing healthy male friendships on screen is wonderful but having mlm ships be canon is wonderful too. There are so many male friendships in media and it's understandable to want to continue to see those friendships but it's also understandable to want mlm canon couples and other LGBTQ+ canon couples on screen. We're not trying to take over and have the roles switch and have mostly mlm canon couples and a few male friendships shown on screen or have 95% of characters in a show/movie be LGBTQ+, we just want to be involved and to be properly represented with respect.

So many popular mlm ships have romantic tropes used for them and are so close it can be seen as best friends or family but why not also potential love interests? It's not just having a deep connection. It's not just loving each other. It's not just looking at each other like they're each other's world. It's not just those things. It's all those things put together and and more.

Merthur, Johnlock, Destiel, Stucky, Lokius, etc...all get people hating on them saying "why can't they just be friends? They're like brothers! They're family! Why do you have to make everything gay?" The thing is there really isn't anything wrong with these ships and we have reasons for shipping them that don't have to do with anything sexual. Also, most of the time they're not made canon! I see Buddie getting the same treatment that those ships I mentioned did/do. There is nothing wrong with shipping Buddie. There is something wrong with fetishizing people/characters but that goes with everyone despite sexuality so I don't know why people always bring up this argument when it comes to LGBTQ+ ships. Yes people do bring up sexual fantasies/headcanons when talking about characters they ship and there is discussion about whether or not that's appropriate but don't mistake those headcanons that individuals have with the validity of a queer ship. If the shippers are the ones upsetting you, stop interacting with them. Don't get so annoyed at them to the point you look at the ship in disgust and end up hating it. The ship is still good. The characters still have all the chemistry they had before the fandom started getting on your nerves but don't take that out on the ship itself. I understand Destiel shippers upset a lot of people but that doesn't take away from Destiel or the validity of the ship itself.

Please stop hating on ships/characters just because the fandom is hateful/annoying. There is nothing wrong with Stucky no matter how much the fandom annoys you.

Anyway I just wanted to say that because it seems that everytime an mlm ship becomes more well-known/popular that's when the hate comes in. It's like people loved Stucky until the fandom got on their nerves...like?? bestie Stucky is still Stucky and you should still ship them if you want to. You don't have to interact with the rest of the shippers if you don't want to.

Last point : just because you ship a ship that is not your sexuality does not mean you are fetishizing them. You can see the chemistry that the rest of us see and you can ship them too.

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heroes-etc · 3 years

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insane hot take time: loki/mobius = dean/castiel

nobody @ me for bringing this up because i was strongly encouraged to post by @forevercloudnine so the blame isnt 100% on me

but watching the first two episodes of loki last night had me pondering about the weird number of structural parallels between loki/mobius (lokius? is that the ship name?) and destiel. i know i know but just listen ok

so lets just reframe the narrative so far in terms of supernatural (sigh. again im very sorry)

weve got loki, who thinks he understands the stakes and the limitations of his universe, being a pretty powerful individual within it himself. suddenly he is made aware of a vast bureaucracy that is dictating his and everyone elses free will, who are above the prior stakes

the mere existence of the tva paralleling the reveal of heaven and the angels in supernatural, seeing as before the big objectives (obtaining infinity stones or killing demons) are suddenly simple (infinity stones as paperweights, angels killing demons with ease)

the reaction of the protagonists being to immediately assume they personally can take down this big structure themselves, and to reassert their personal control over their own free will. loki, and lady loki, (as well as numerous other loki variants from other points in the timeline) are equipped with the tenacity and irritation at being controlled to rebel against this order the second they become aware of it (dangerously deancore)

contrast the entirety of ‘team free will’ fighting heaven and its plan for the winchester brothers, vs lokis obvious unease at becoming a timeline-dangerous variant due to an accident out of his control, and his monologue to mobius about how maybe tva is the only place where people have free will, since theoretically that location is outside the timeline

its pretty obvious though that none of the tva agents are actually agents of their own destiny any more than your run of the mill resident of the normal flow of time is - the only difference is that tva is self-aware. theyre strictly working within the confines of their orders and their mission, and encouraged to think within those bounds. casey hasnt ever left his desk, mobius has a bit more freedom but is obviously still very much confined by the chain of command. whats that castiel quote— “explaining freedom to angels is a bit like teaching poetry to fish.”

this brings us to mobius. hes a believer in the mission, but clearly has his own ideas about how to achieve that. hes willing to take risks, and forge a connection with a loki variant in order to use him to bring the timeline back into alignment

dont even get me started on how BOTH of these shows play the sympathetic white character off of a dark skinned black character who is unwilling to extend the same olive branches to our protag, that's an issue for another post

at first i was thinking to myself, “well, mobius is pretty clearly adept at manipulating loki, so theres one difference!” but no. castiel literally lied to the winchesters for a whole season about his true motivations, so despite his guilelessness hes obviously capable of manipulation and deception. goddamn it all

theres also the unfortunate truth that both loki and the winchesters have primarily been slash-shipped in incest ships prior to the introductions of these characters. honestly that parallel on its own is already a little bit damning?

obviously we are only on episode two but mobius is probably going to end up working with loki in some capacity. if he defects from the bureaucratic hegemony that is heaven the tva im going to lose my fucking mind, the baseline parallels are already too much for me to handle without going a little cuckoo

#i dont even know how to tag this #supernatural #loki #loki series #destiel #???#lokius #loki/mobius #wowki #meta #??? is this meta????#i feel so unhinged sorry guys #long post

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