#israel palestine

[yoyou333]

Speaking out against antisemitism in the pro Palestine movement is important, speaking out against the horrible acts of Hamas is important too, speaking about the value of israeli lives is also very very important. Just make sure that if you do, especially if you do extensively, make sure you don´t forget to mention the 33,800 killed innocent lives, the more than a million and a half displaced human beings, the two million people facing hunger, and the millions of millions who have no human rights, and no freedom. They are important too.

#palestine #free palestine #israel palestine #gaza #free gaza #israel #antisemitism #ceasefire #gazaunderattack #this post was written by a jewish person btw #no hostage left behind letter #I edited the original post because it led to some misinterpretations

[goose-onthe-loose]

Congratulations! You've just left the the ten millionth "free Palestine" comment on a post about a Jew in Ohio celebrating a holiday. This action has activated the latent gene in every Jewish person's DNA which gives us the knowledge of Bibi Netanyahu's personal phone number. I've already called him, he said he'll call off the bombing right away. Every Jew in the world will now immediately self-destruct. Your Nobel Peace Prize will arrive in three to five business days.

#honestly tho free palestine is the least offensive thing ive seen #half the time theyre calling people baby killers #israel palestine #antisemitism #online antisemitism #jumblr #jewish

[mitchfynde]

I'm begging the pro-Palestine movement to inject even the slightest bit of nuance into their rhetoric. I'm basically pro-Zionist at this point, but even I believe you SHOULD be pro-Palestine to an extent.

Here are some things to consider.

Israel has a right to exist. They didn't steal the land. You can say Britain did, but it doesn't matter. It's their land now and they have a right to live there, just as Canadians have a right to live in Canada despite the history of the indigenous people. Apply this to basically any other nation.

The October 7th attack happened. It was bad. It was an act of terrorism. They killed innocent civilians on purpose. The civilians didn't deserve to die for living in Israel. You condemn the attacks.

Hamas is a valid military target. They are a terrorist organization who are constantly attacking Israel. They're not freedom fighters. They may use the plight of Palestinians as an excuse, but they cannot be taken in good faith. You condemn Hamas.

Israelis are not Nazis. There are far right people in Israel as there are anywhere. Right now Israel's right wing is exaggerated due the attacks they've experienced. People's rhetoric can get extreme when such a thing happens. It's certainly something you should be concerned about, but comparing them to Nazis is not useful at all.

Generally speaking, Israel has a good track record of taking a lot of care to avoid civilian deaths. They have a strong history of calling areas by phone to warn civilians. They will then drop a knock bomb onto the roof to scare people out before dropping the actual bomb. They do not have a policy of killing Palestinian civilians.

The reason why Israel has the reputation they do for killing civilians is threefold. 1) Palestine is densely populated which creates huge complications in war. 2) Individual IDF soldiers or groups sometimes commit attrocities, on purpose or by accident. 3) Hamas has one of the most devious PR strategies the world has ever seen.

Hamas uses human shields. And I'm tempted to say they use them more effectively than anyone has in the history of the world. They operate in or under civilian infrastructure... seemingly exclusively. They make damn sure that, if you want to bomb them, you are taking civilians with them.

Combine that with the fact there's basically no way to identify a member of Hamas from a civilian and Hamas can generate an insane civilian death toll. Why? Because they can sell it to us. The western liberal is horrified by civilian deaths. Especially if the skin color of the victims is darker than the people doing the killing. It's the perfect plot for a terrorist group to pretend they have noble intentions of freedom fighting and whatnot.

So is being pro-Palestine just utterly foolish? Absolutely not. Palestinians are in an utterly horrible position in this world and you'd be absolutely insane not to care about that. They absolutely should have their own nation with their own government. They should have the opportunity to live in peace. They should have the opportunity to live in freedom. It's almost self-evident.

Of course Israel is too expansionist. The settlements are a disgrace. The IDF's reputation is not totally unearned and neither is their government's reputation. There is the stench of far right rot in both their military and their government. Netanyahu is absolutely a religious zealot.

All I'm saying is you can't look at this as a totally one-sided thing. Most of the people posting pro-Palestine stuff are being misleading at best and spreading flat out lies more often than not. This is not a valid strategy to enact change. And, frankly, you deserve better for yourself.

You do not need to lie about Israel to be pro-Palestine.

#fuck israel #pro palestine #free gaza #from the river to the sea palestine will be free #palestine #israel #ip #israel palestine conflict #israel palestine #the tags are just for reach

[poetessinthepit]

The Flour Massacre was a genocidal act in and of itself. It has already become a notorious event amongst a whole campaign of human rights abuse after human rights abuse. It will be remembered in history like Wounded Knee, My Lai, and Srebrenica. Anyone in denial of that fact can not be helped. Nothing will get through to them. What horror could possibly stir them from complacency?

#the flour massacre #gazan genocide #gaza genocide #free palestine #palestine #israel palestine #war crimes

[internationem]

Just a reminder: intent is much, much more important to genocide than the amount of people dying. simply put, the amount of dead civilians isn't what makes a genocide a genocide.

for example, up to 33k bosnians are estimated to have died because of the bosnian genocide. in contrast, the estimated amount of japanese civilians dead during WWII is between 330k and 900k. yet most (serious) people wouldn't ever consider that there was a genocide against the japanese people. why? well, no government wanted to, planned or carried out systematic attacks with the intent of erasing, in whole or in part, the japanese people. yet, however, it is fairly easy to prove that the serbs wanted the bosnians gone and acted accordingly. You can even fullfill the material criteria for the Genocide Convention (ie killing people, or causing body or mental harm to a population) to a certain extent but if the intent behind those actions isn't to destroy a national/ethnic/etc group, then it's not genocide, the fullfilment of the material elements themselves aren't proof that there's a genocide without fullfilment of the mental element.

This isn't to overlook civilian deaths, but truth is, in modern warfare, civilians ARE gonna die, and that sucks massively, but we have a a whole branch of international law that help mitigate a lot of civilian deaths and allow for criminals to be held accountable for violation of civilian rights and livs, without having to erroneously call every single conflict where people die a genocide.

Similarly, it may be true that a lot more people are dying in the Israel-Gaza war than in the 7/10 attacks, but why did Hamas attack Israel in the first place? Why has Israel been attacked fairly frequently since it's independence? Because they want to completely erase Israel as a whole and expel (and kill, or best case scenario, convert) the jewish people out of the Middle East. This is very easy to prove, read Hamas founding charter and literally any history book that talks about wars against Israel or the expulsion of Jews from several ME countries. It's what the whole "from the river to the sea" slogan is about. It's also the very reason Israel needs to exist. But meanwhile, there's little to nothing that points out Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians as a group: 20% of their citizens are Palestinians who enjoy the same rights as Jewish citizens of Israel and aren't targeted, even Palestinians of the West Bank aren't usually targeted in a way that would even imply the IDF wants to erase them as a group, and even considering the Gaza campaign, its objective is to erradicate Hamas, not Palestinians, and nothing in Israel's policy outwardly implicates they want to erradicate all Gazans. Palestine, and especially Gaza, has massive population growth, which wouldn't make sense if there was a genocide campaign against them. This isn't to say the IDF is doing everything perfectly or that there aren't war crimes being commited. But war crimes don't mean genocide.

Calling what's happening in Gaza genocide is antisemitic, because not only are we applying different standards to Israel than we do any other country, we are also saying that Jewish people defending themselves is, inherently, a crime, one of the worst crimes defined at that. But it's also harmful to palestinians, because claiming that Israel's war against Hamas is a war against Palestinians equates Palestinians (many of whom just want to live regular lives, not war) with terrorists (who also target them, by the way), which seems islamophobic as hell if i'm being honest. it is also insensitive and damaging to every group that has been the victim of genocide, and every group which might be a victim of a genocide in the future, because how you're twisting the definition of the word to mean whatever you want it to mean. If everything is a genocide, nothing is.

#sincerely an IR major tired of people not knowing what words mean #i stand with israel #i stand with palestine #israel #israel gaza #palestine #hamas #israel palestine #genocide #hamas is isis #free palestine #free palestine from hamas #antisemitism

[the-catboy-minyan]

you can be both pro-Israel and pro-Palestine, just sayin'

edit:

fucking read the tags before you reblog a Hamas apologist saying "you can't be both pro the oppressor and pro the oppressed". I'm talking about the countries, not their governments.

#it's not a black and white world #you can talk about Palestinian suffering without exclusing the mass rape or the entire state of Israel #you can talk about the hostages and the terrorist attacks without calling for the destruction of Gaza #you can call out antisemetism in Palestine without claiming they're animals #you can call out islamophobia in Israel without claiming they're animals #all of these messages are for both sides #israel palestine #antisemitism #islamophobia #israel #palestine #ישראבלר #free Palestine #pro palestine #pro israel

[autisticdoomslayer]

Hey um so I completely agree that bombing palestinians is bad but can y'all please stop pretending that the way to fix the tragedy in Palestine is to bomb American synagogues maybe

#My synagogues gotten 3 threats so far. I live in southern California in one of the safest neighborhoods in the damn country #Jumblr #jewblr #Judaism #Israel palestine #political

[queerxqueen]

"I just want to clarify that I’m well informed on the situation that is going on but Byler has only one chance of happening. Meanwhile Palestinians are dying anyway. They have been for years and will continue to die. Since when do y’all care about them and their lives? You started talking about it only when it became trendy.

Fake activists, move on and continue eating expensive food in your comfy house and not giving a fuck about people far away from you dying. That shit happens everyday and if you get involved your psyche will be hurt. Let the politicians deal with this instead of bullying a random actor that didn’t do anything harmful"

browsing through the noah schnapp tag to see what he did now and seeing these words was a literal slap in the face how can someone post this and think theyre a good person???

(When I first read this, I thought you were saying that shit in my inbox and was ready to throw hands, so I was very relieved to see you were just sharing the bullshit from someone else's blog.)

I just searched in the tag and saw this exact post. How fucking horrifying. Instant block. I doubt anyone could reason with this person.

"Palestinians are dying anyway. They have been for years and will continue to die." Can't believe anyone typed this genuinely and without pause. Just say you don't care about Palestinian lives and stop there, you'll get your point across better.

"Since when do y’all care about them and their lives? You started talking about it only when it became trendy." Many people are only just now beginning to really educate themselves on the history of Israel and Palestine. I'm among them - I used to be one of the folks who thought it was too complicated and nuanced to take a stance on. Then I read Palestine: A Socialist Introduction, started reading from news sources and independent journalists outside of mainstream western media, started listening to Palestinian and anti-zionist Jewish voices, and realized how false that was. I take responsibility for not educating myself sooner. But it's actually weird to frame people educating themselves and having empathy for people dying as jumping on a trend.

"Let the politicians deal with this..." Ah, yes, let's leave it to the politicians, who notoriously have our best interests in mind and would never do anything to cause harm. (/sarcasm) "... instead of bullying a random actor that didn’t do anything harmful." If you think sharing violent zionist rhetoric such as "you stand with Israel or you stand with terrorism" or trivializing the deaths of eleven thousand Palestinians with stupid stickers calling zionism sexy, in front of your audience of millions as a celebrity, is "not harmful" then we clearly are not going to agree on anything.

#noah schnapp #answered #anon #free palestine #israel palestine #current events #death mention #islamophobia tw

[woman-respecter]

palestinian civilians do not deserve to be punished for the actions of hamas. yes even the civilians who are antisemitic because of the culture they grew up in. none of them deserve any of the shit that is happening to them. i can’t believe this has to be said.

#jsyk where i stand #israel palestine

[thecorvidforest]

i am begging you all not to stay off social media these coming weeks. i’m seeing so many white people say shit like “protect your peace” but there are ways to do that that don’t involve turning your back on active genocide.

if you have a support system, use it. talk about your feelings instead of burying them and pretending nothing is happening. if you don’t have people to talk to, journal about it. identify what you’re feeling, allow yourself to feel it, put words to it. use whatever community you have. regulate, don’t ignore. turning your back on Palestine needs to be a last fucking resort.

this is not meant to guilt you and i’m not saying you’re a bad person if you need to step away to keep yourself safe. this is heavy shit for all of us. what i am saying is that there is a massive amount of privilege in being able to simply shut off your phone and do something else, and it is extremely easy to take advantage of that privilege. there are steps you can take before closing your eyes to what’s happening.

#israel palestine #free palestine #anti zionisim #palestine

[aspiringwarriorlibrarian]

If we put half as much energy into “enforce the Leahy Act” (something we as USAmericans actually can do) as we did into “ceasefire now” (something we can’t because that is Israel’s decision) we might have actually gotten somewhere by now.

For those not in the loop, the Leahy Act is a law that earmarks US military aid under the condition that it not be used for human rights violations. It works for every single other country, including Ukraine...but Israel has a number of stipulations that make it all but inapplicable to them, like extra legal barriers to refusing it to them, the presumption that Israel’s criminal justice system is enough to decide whether crimes were committed, and from the testimony of officials who work inside the institution, a general feeling that the law shouldn’t apply to Israel.

There are a number of leftist Democrats and PACs trying to invoke the Leahy Act to deny further aid to Israel, but they’re a small minority and haven’t gotten as much press as they should. But with Israel on trial at the ICJ, there’s no better time for invoking Leahy, as the “unspoken agreement” currently used for circumventing it would not hold up under the reality of a state facing charges of genocide. Under the table work for less casualties is nothing compared to a solid legal challenge that unless Israel stops endangering and attacking Palestinian civilians, we cannot provide military aid to them.

#Israel hamas conflict #Palestine #gaza #us politics #Israel Palestine

[alicearmageddon]

"The North Korean regime in the ‘50s developed a series of remarkably effective torture techniques, techniques that were so effective, in fact, that they were able to make captured American airmen admit to all sorts of atrocities they had not in fact committed, all the time, being convinced they had not, actually, been tortured. The techniques were quite simple. Just make the victim do something mildly uncomfortable—sit on the edge of chair, for example, or lean against a wall in a slightly awkward position—only, make them do it for an extremely long period of time. After eight hours the victim would be willing to do virtually anything to make it stop. But try going to the International Court of Justice at The Hague and tell them you’ve been made to sit on the edge of a chair all day. Even the victims were unwilling to describe their captors as torturers. When the CIA learned about these techniques—according to Korean friends of mine, they’re actually just particularly sadistic versions of classic Korean ways of punishing small children—they were intrigued, and, apparently, conducted extensive research on how they could be adopted for their own detention centers.

Again, sometimes, in Palestine, one feels one is in an entire country that’s being treated this way. Obviously, there is also outright torture, people who are actually being shot, beaten, tortured, or violently abused. But I’m speaking here even of the ones that aren’t. For most, it’s as if the very texture of everyday life has been designed to be intolerable—only, in a way that you can never quite say is exactly a human rights violation. There’s never enough water. Showering requires almost military discipline. You can’t get a permit. You’re always standing in line. If something breaks it’s impossible to get permission to fix it. Or else you can’t get spare parts. There are four different bodies of law that might apply to any legal situation (Ottoman, British, Jordanian, Israeli), it’s anyone’s guess which court will say what applies where, or what document is required, or acceptable. Most rules are not even supposed to make sense. It can take eight hours to drive 20 kilometers to see your girlfriend, and doing so will almost certainly mean having machine guns waved in your faces and being shouted at in a language you half understand by people who think you’re subhuman. So you do most of your dalliance by phone. When you can afford the minutes. There are endless traffic jams before and after checkpoints and drivers bicker and curse and try not to take it out on one another. Everyone lives no more than 12 or 15 miles from the Mediterranean but even on the hottest day, it’s absolutely impossible to get to the beach. Unless you climb the wall, there are places you can do that; but then you can expect to be hunted every moment by security patrols. Of course teenagers do it anyway. But it means swimming is always accompanied by the fear of being shot. If you’re a trader, or a laborer, or a driver, or a tobacco farmer, or clerk, the very process of subsistence is continual stream of minor humiliations. Your tomatoes are held and left two days to rot while someone grins at you. You have to beg to get your child out of detention. And if you do go to beseech the guards, those same guards might arbitrarily decide to hold you to pressure him to confess to rock-throwing, and suddenly you are in a concrete cell without cigarettes. Your toilet backs up. And you realize: you’re going to have to live like this forever. There is no “political process.” It will never end. Barring some kind of divine intervention, you can expect to be facing exactly this sort of terror and absurdity for the rest of your natural life."

-David Graeber, Reflections from a Visit to the West Bank

#palestine #free palestine #israel palestine #david graeber #west bank #anarchism

[elierlick]

Amnesty International found that this wasn't a singular case but a pattern of genocidal abuse. The irony is that Hamas using human shields is the IOF's primary excuse for murdering so many civilians. Obviously, nobody should be using this tactic but Israel's justifications for the killings are wearing thin.

#israel palestine

[the-catboy-minyan]

just... something I've noticed. (cw: this is about i/p and leftist activism)

so many stories are like:

villain: "there's a problem in this world that needs to be fixed, an injustice in the systems that control our life, so I shall fix it with VIOLENCE AND MURDER AND MORE VIOLENCE!"

hero: "halt, you fiend! I, a Good American Citizen™, shall stop you. scease this treachery at once!"

*proceeds to beat them up and do nothing about the issue that caused this, Happy Ending uwu everything is solved*

the purpose of these stories were propaganda, obviously, to associate fighting for justice with violence and villainy, and heroism with restoring the status quo and never questioning it.

people called bullshit, but instead of going "the source of the issue wasn't the villain, it was the system they were in. you can't just get rid of them and go about your day, you have to remove the problem from its source as well", they went "the source of the issue isn't the villain, it was the system they were in. the villain was actually completely justified in their response because of the end goal! sure their actions are bad, but the system is worse!" while completely ignoring how in most of these stories, the villains were okay with actual mass murder.

and here we are, in a post Oct. 7th world, where people look a massacre of Jews, and say the exact same thing. justifying undescribable acts of violence by saying "well these noble savages Palestinians had endured 75 years of genocide (wrong) apartheid (wrong) and ethnic cleansing (also wrong)! their response is understandable! I don't condone their violence, but something had to be done." and you get people simping for actual extremist terrorist organisations, marching around while parroting calls for genocide, and repeating words to make them sound educated on a conflict they only know about from social media posts.

yes, the systems are unfair and cruel and social justice needs to be achieved. but you can't turn a blind eye or actively condone horrific acts that are done in the name of that cause. speaking against it won't make you the "movie protagonist™", you HAVE to speak up against it if you want to work towards a peaceful future.

#antisemitism #leftist antisemitism #israel #i/p #israel palestine #am yisrael chai #stop fandomizing the war #hamas is not your blorbo #hamas is not your poor little meow meow #hamas war crimes #fuck hamas #free palestine from hamas #israel hamas war #october 7 #oct 7 #october 7 massacre

[captainlordauditor]

There were signs and calls for the death of Palestinian People it was in the news, just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen

. It is also largely agreed by Pro-Palestinian people that antisemitism isn’t okay and that there are nazis actively trying to infiltrate our protests.

And that “no ceasefire” maybe MOST of it was related to Hamas and the idea that they will not honor a ceasefire, but “no ceasefire” means death for more Palestinians, that they cannot receive aid, or leave without worry of being attacked.

1)source

2) a Jewish man was murdered at a protest and you're telling me yall agree that "antisemitism isn't okay?"

Bull. Fucking. Shit.

If your movement is being "infiltrated" the antisemites are doing a damn good job of it.

3) Gaza also shares a border with Egypt, who took three weeks to allow Palestinians to enter into Egypt to escape the war. And while it's not enough, aid has been getting through to Gaza.

Hamas hides weapons caches under hospitals and schools. That has been well documented for the past 9 years. What, exactly, do you expect Israel to do in this situation besides lay down and die?

#anonymous #answers #israel palestine