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argoscity · 5 months
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SUPERGIRL: WOMAN OF TOMORROW (2021) #4 written by Tom King art by Bilquis Evely
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wondertwinsenthusiast · 3 months
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Gonna try and write a "what if he did call dick/donna" fic pray for me
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infinite frontier (2021) #0
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sadiewayne · 7 months
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i'm just going to leave this here
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with a bonus
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say what you want about tom taylor's run, but i haven't had this much fun in years
from Nightwing (2016) #96
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cicada-candy · 6 days
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Will forever be bitter about Black Lantern Roy Harper for like no reason asbgwgagqhwh
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soleminisanction · 6 months
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8. Is there anything about post-Flashpoint canon you prefer to pre-Flashpoint canon? Be honest.
I like Tim's current personality and path in life better than what Red Robin had him on.
Look, Red Robin is a fantastic series, don't get me wrong, but Tim fucking miserable for almost the entire book and while it makes sense given what he was going through, they didn't really get to run long enough for him to truly heal and I. Don't like that. It makes me miss my sweet, gentle, brainy boy who truly believes in second chances and redemption and in negotiating peaceful solutions whenever he can and while he's still there in RR, he's trapped under so much pain and self-denial and isolation and it makes me sad!
So I like that he's Robin again, and I like that he's been allowed to start exploring his sexuality and that it led to his relationship with Bernard, and I like that he gets to be the earnest Robin who saves Batman again. And I wish people would stop trying to force him to be something he's not purely for some arbitrary presumption of 'maturity.'
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The younger members of the Justice Society of America return! And they’re not taking any prisoners…
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INFINITE FRONTIER #3 (2021) by Paul Pelletier, Norm Rapmund & Romulo Fajardo Jr
Script: Joshua Williamson
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nianaltor · 3 months
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Variant Covers for SUICIDE SQUAD: DREAM TEAM art by Sweeney Boo, Eddy Barrows, Gleb Melnikov, and Riccardo Federici
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ungoliantschilde · 1 year
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“Darkseid is… the End.” by John Romita, Jr., with Inks by Klaus Janson, Colors by Brad Anderson, Letters by Cory Petit, and a Script by Joshua Williamson.
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The Justice Society of America’s most iconic pose across the years.
(All-Star Comics 1940 #3 // Infinity Inc. 1984 #1 // Justice Society of America 1992 #10 // JSA 1999 #25 // Justice Society of America 2007 #1 & #25 // Doomsday Clock 2017 #10 // Infinite Frontier 2021 #0 // The New Golden Age 2022 #1 // Dark Crisis 2022 #7 // Justice Society of America 2022 #1)
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thisdoesnthaveend · 7 months
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HARLEY QUINN in Harley Quinn (2021) Annual #1
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balu8 · 6 months
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John Timms
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argoscity · 4 months
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SUPERGIRL: WOMAN OF TOMORROW (2021) #8 written by Tom King art by Bilquis Evely
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baambastic · 3 months
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I’m sooooo curious how much of Lor-Zod’s/Chris Kent’s canon Tomasi is going to ignore. Because out of all the DC characters, Lor’s pre- and post-Flashpoint continuities are probably among the least compatible when you consider how Infinite Frontier made everything canon again. On the one hand, Chris was abused by both Zod and Ursa, adopted by Clark and Lois, and was lost to the Phantom Zone after bonding to the Nightwing. Lor-Zod is still under his bio parents’ thumb, and hasn’t gone through any of what Chris has, not even the same level of abuse. How do you even reconcile those into the same character?
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davidmann95 · 2 years
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DC 5G - what we know, what we 'know', what's left
NOTE: This has been updated significantly since I initially posted it, with assorted chunks of information parceled out by Dan DiDio in a Word Balloon interview, labeled UPDATE, or a new slate of scoops dug up by - deep sigh - Bleeding Cool (who for all their rumormongering, provably had details on this given how early details of theirs eventually bore out in published comics), labeled UPDATE 2. Most of my fairly glowing opinions accompanying these details are from my original version of this pre-Dark Crisis; I put a very different 'up-to-date' response at the bottom. A bunch of the UPDATE 2 stuff also had titles attached, but they seem...placeholder-ey, so I'll ignore them.
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With Dark Crisis approaching and my bitterness rising as it looks more and more like an off-ramp to the idea of a next-gen DCU than anything else - with titles like Son of Kal-El and I Am Batman completely fizzling out in the meantime while Wonder Girl goes under entirely - I've gone back to thinking about the original 5G plan. Those who follow me on Twitter know I've gone over the last couple years from 'hmm, I'm interested in Jon as Superman, but gosh that timeline is dumb' to a hardcore '5G WAS THE TRUTH AND THE WAY, THE MOMENT THE STOPPED CLOCK WAS RIGHT, DC WHAT IN GOD'S NAME HAVE YOU DONE' partisan, even if the timeline's still kinda dumb.
It was always going to alienate the existing fanbase: it's an approach that besides the face-value shakeup itself puts slow-burn soap development on the backburner in favor of moving fast and breaking things, and potentially results in your faves not graduating to the 'right' positions or ending up in the 'right' relationships to boot, plus a new generation of heroes composed in large part of original characters rather than those who 'earned it' via decades of mostly clinging to life in team books or guest appearances. My being way more interested in the potential of the vast revision of the archetypes and a proper injection of mythic sweep and enduring legacy into a shared universe ostensibly built on those is at the end of a day a difference of taste, but as for my arguments beyond that:
I don't think it can be reasonably argued that The Son of Superman and The Next Batman treated with seriousness wouldn't have been far more attention-getting to broader audiences (and a richer template for that sweet sweet IP farming DC publication now explicitly exists in service of) than rebooting the classic bunch for the 5th or 6th time.
The classic folks still would've been in Black Label and the like forever; yes, for the most part their classic-mold ongoing adventures would be over, but being extremely real most Batman stories would work pretty much the same with someone else under the cowl, and if there's something ala Tom King's Batman that's character-driven and demands space to breathe, it's been shown there's space for that outside of continuity with the likes of...sigh. White Knight.
DC having to ride or die by the new names as their headliners would have meant those characters wouldn't have had the opportunity to languish in genuinely crappy books the way they have - they would have had to immediately sell at least their new Justice League on the strength of their immediate quality with little pertinent backlog to lean on and basically no fallback option.
The loglines of characters built for those gigs tend to be a lot more straightforward than the baggage of folks who've been around for decades having been created to fulfill different functions.
Let's again be real, the significant majority of the existing readership would've sighed and still bought everything with the big names on the covers if not been actively hyped.
Anyway, with all that in mind and the likely-forsaken potential of the concept being a frequent topic of discussion with some friends of mine, I felt the urge to once again revive the Tumblr and put together a rough outline of what we know about the '5G' setup. From assorted scoops (mostly from Bleeding Cool, which I won't be linking to but demonstrated they knew at least the broad strokes of what was happening here), interviews, and indicators in comics that actually have been published, I wanted to see the shape of the baby thrown out with DiDio's bathwater. Starting someplace unexpected:
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When I was first getting into comics, my dad informed me of a rumor he'd heard about that at the end of the new event comic Final Crisis, the Justice League was going to die and would become the NEW New Gods, with their sidekicks and children stepping up in their place, making it a truly 'final' crisis for the DCU as we knew it. While that didn't play out, apparently there was something to it: according to BC, this was in fact the big idea at one point, reportedly under the banner of 'The Fifth World' paying off some notions from Grant Morrison's JLA that were being revived in Final Crisis. This seems shocking given Dan DiDio's notorious antipathy towards the likes of Dick Grayson and Wally West, but his primary complaints about them - that Dick was forever stuck between his iconic past as Robin and grand future as Batman, he and Wally both breaking the DCU by their very existences in aging while their predecessors remain eternal - would have been solved by this shift. His old declaration that Nightwing could only survive Infinite Crisis if something was done to justify him makes a lot more sense if the gears had immediately started turning to make him Batman.
Along with Dick, and likely Cassie Sandsmark as Wonder Woman since Donna Troy had just filled that spot, with the benefit of hindsight it's clear the stage was being set for a new generation lineup: Bart Allen had become The Flash and even after his death was set up for an immediate resurrection, Kurt Busiek was establishing a new Aquaman, Jason Rusch and Jaime Reyes and Ryan Choi were the new Firestorm and Blue Beetle and Atom, Roy Harper had taken a seat in the JLA as Red Arrow, and Freddie Freeman was the new Captain Marvel, with Hal presumably sticking around as rep for the old guard given Johns had just returned him to glory. And right around the corner was Blackest Night to give the kids a trial by fire in the face of their zombie predecessors, with the get out of jail free card of the white rings to bring all the originals back at the end if this whole experiment immediately flopped.
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Conner Kent as Superman was presumably going to be a crown jewel, with Chris Kent perhaps being set up as his Superboy with a background conceptually near-identical to Damian Wayne as the new Robin (scion of a major villain taken in by a Superdad, they're separated, by the time the kid makes it back dad is gone and a big brother has to step up). You've even got a big easy passing-of-the-torch moment at the end of Final Crisis with Clark giving up everything he has to activate the Miracle Machine - an odd non-sequitur with no consequences in the story as-is - and a final declaration 'look up in the sky' at an army of approaching Supermen Conner could well have been leading as his grand debut.
And there's a VERY interesting context if you consider what ultimately happened in place of The Fifth World in the form of the New 52 - a younger, cockier Superman who ends up dating a Wonder Woman who's now Zeus's kid. It seems some of the big ideas were still carried over, especially considering under Grant Morrison that new Superman in a t-shirt and jeans fights Luthor who considers him a lab specimen (alongside Brainiac, as Conner would in Johns and Manapul's brief Adventure Comics run in place of all this, and who Morrison reconceptualizes as a preservationist dedicated to holding a newly-changed world in amber), and then new equivalents and 'successors' to the likes of Mxyzptlk, the classic Phantom Zoners, Terra-Man, and the Kryptonite Man, culminating in a battle with a combination of Bizarro - the ultimate Superman clone - and Doomsday - the franchise-killer whose existence roundabout birthed Conner - for the right to the Superman brand. Was Morrison going to do Conner as Superman alongside Batman and Robin, and they repurposed those 'Superman 2' ideas along with that one All-Star spinoff to create their Action Comics run? Did they just hear that was the plan and kick around some ideas of how they'd handle it that were reused later? Or do those pieces mostly just fit because 'new era' ideas can make near-equal sense whether applied a reboot or a new guy in the cape?
(Perhaps a strike against coincidence: All-Star Superman ends with the conception of a test-tube child of Superman via what was once Cadmus, essentially Conner's origin. Morrison's gone on the record that Batman R.I.P. ends the way it does to provide an iconic 'death' for Bruce setting up Dick as the new guy for those who weren't reading Final Crisis; it seems at least a little bit possible that All-Star at the same time had a similar idea at the back of its mind if it wasn't outright geared to serve that purpose.)
UPDATE: DiDio confirmed Final Crisis was originally meant to lead into a next-gen relaunch, and also mentioned there were plans to pair this with an 'Ultimate'-style line still starring Clark, Bruce, and Diana, and that All-Star and Earth One lines were also both failed attempts at an Ultimate DC. Given the timing, it may be fair to assume that Earth One was initially intended to be paired with Fifth World, and why it was so quickly supplanted by the New 52 when its initial purpose was nullified; if nothing else, it'd explain why that ostensibly mass-market initiative had a nerd-ass name like Earth One.
An interesting bunch of notions, but let's go from the Fifth World to the Fifth Generation: between all the stuff I mentioned earlier there's actually a pretty clear picture of how 5G would've looked, at least concerning the big names.
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Kal-El lands on Earth in 1938 as the kickoff to this world's history, though Wonder Woman emerges in 1939 as the first public superhero (shown by Snyder and Hitch in Wonder Woman #750); she leads the Justice Society of America until leaving man's world after the atomic bomb's dropped. Clark operates quietly in Smallville as Superboy, but he stops when the JSA disbands in 1955 in protest of HUAC wanting them to disclose their identities (though according to the solicit for the cancelled Generation One: Age of Mysteries there was a secret 'real' reason they disassembled; apparently a Golden Age hero would also become a great villain, and a secret deal of some sort would be struck to "keep the Wayne family dynasty alive" after Thomas and Martha's murders).
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Clark is operating in secret as Superman by 1963 and meets JFK who encourages him to gather other heroes in service of a finer world (as seen in the opening of Superman and The Authority; as published after 5G was scrapped this was recontextualized as a time-travel adventure), with him and Batman both publicly debuting in 1965 and the Justice League of America forming soon after with a returned Wonder Woman. The events of 1965-1985 were meant to be depicted one year per issue in a 21-part series by Mark Russell which would later be heavily reimagined as Superman: Space Age.
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Crisis on Infinite Earths occurs in 1985, and everything from then to Death Metal is largely the same, just over an elongated expanse of time and with a few irreconcilable continuity-specific bits like Superman/Wonder Woman excised. Apparently the assorted Crisis events cause years to be 'skipped', allowing key characters to retain some relative youth.
(The Other History of the DC Universe while not a 1:1 appears to have been constructed to roughly fit with this given John Ridley was ultimately a 5G architect, with the JLA emerging in the 70s or possibly 60s if you fudge the narration a bit and still going strong in 2010.)
By the present day, the bulk of the JLA have passed, retired, or otherwise stepped back; the Titans now fill the traditional 'old guard' slot.
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The initial prompt offered by DiDio to creators was notoriously for an aged Clark to pursue a totalitarian path and assemble a new version of The Authority as his vanguard. Apparently that wasn't a hard-and-fast direction, as it was radically reconfigured by Grant Morrison into Superman and The Authority, which in the original 5G version would have ended with the revelation that Clark had somehow secretly been split into 'Red' and 'Blue' versions increasingly representing his dueling conservative and revolutionary instincts, with leftie Blue forming the team we currently see, and rightwing Red reforming the classic lineup swapping out Midnighter and Apollo with a likely unwitting Damian Wayne and Jon Kent.
When the dust settled and presumably a reconstituted Clark pursued his own adventures (UPDATE: DiDio noted Clark would continue losing his powers as his capacity as a 'solar battery' dimmed, grooming The Authority to take over for him completely), a 23 year old Jonathan would become the new main Superman, likely written by Matt Fraction according to a Word Balloon podcast, reportedly dating Jenny Sparks and Smallville acting as his 'Fortress' with the citizens working to maintain his privacy when visiting. Between being duped into following Red and under unknown circumstances bottling Metropolis he would likely be starting on the backfoot and needing to prove himself to the world as a worthy inheritor.
UPDATE 2: Along with losing his powers, part of the impetus behind Superman's retirement per DiDio's original plan would be that after revealing his identity to the world, Clark would begin pressuring other members of the Justice League to engage in similar transparency, ultimately forming a divide that would lead to the end of the team (with Jon spending much of his time in the 31st century with the Legion to avoid the whole affair). He passes the mantle to Jon and retires with Lois to Africa (this was also a plot point in Future's End; I guess Dan had it in the back pocket for awhile for some reason?), but ends up performing covert superheroics that lead to The Authority's formation.
UPDATE 2: Jon's solo title would proceed as described, with his own 'neverending battle' to avert the destruction of the original Earth seen in the Legion's timeline. I also suspect Morrison's Red-and-Blue division was also an attempt at having a figure to take the blame for some actions covered further below.
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As originally pitched by Tynion when his run was meant to lead into 5G, at the climax of Joker War the Clown Prince of Crime is shot and left in a permanent comatose state by Selina Kyle, ending her relationship with Bruce. Left with no resources, no Alfred, no Gordon, no arch-nemesis, and a Gotham being radically rebuilt in a new image, Bruce concludes the time of Batman is over and that he should find other ways to help the world with his remaining years, leaving Gotham (presumably this period was pitched for by Tom Taylor and later became The Detective with Andy Kubert) and asking his allies not to pick up his mantle. Damian would take his place at the throne of Leviathan in his own move to remake the world and become the 'Magneto' to Jon's 'Professor X', still cordial in respect to their past friendship but at the end of the day enemies. Jace - in early rumors (UPDATE: and according to DiDio) Luke, but John Ridley has said it was Jace for as long as he was onboard - becomes the next Batman, disdained by Damian for taking up the Batman mantle and on awkward terms with the new Superman. Tynion also had an idea for a 5G Joker title about a teenager radicalized by Joker's legacy that instead became Punchline.
UPDATE: DiDio confirmed that by the time everything fell through, the plan was instead for Joker to survive and kill Bane before revealing Batman's identity to the world after their final battle; Bruce is imprisoned because he's held partially culpable for Bane's death (he 'freezes' when Joker says he plans to do this, giving Joker a chance to escape, and he fears that since Bane killed Alfred he subconsciously allowed him to do it). Clark later breaks him out, eventually setting up a generational war between Clark and Bruce against Jon/Damian/Luke as the culmination of the initial 5 year roadmap for 5G.
UPDATE 2: Apparently the original plan was for Batman to straight-up agree to let Joker kill Bane, good lord. Guess the 'freezing' thing was a wiggle room compromise ala how Morrison handled Authority, though with...less panache. Anyway, Bruce makes amends with his family and closes up shop before retiring to England (a pitch for which was indeed the original kernel for the aforementioned Taylor/Kubert book).
UPDATE 2: Batman - definitely Luke Fox in the original plan, with concept art by Mikel Janin pictured above, meaning Ridley definitively wasn't there at inception - would have as noted fought Damian Wayne, and Tamara Fox would have discovered his identity and become Robin against his protests. After fighting a returned Joker Bruce's culpability in Bane's death would be discovered, and Bruce would have willingly turned himself in.
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Regarding several of the other books: Green Lantern was to be written by Jeff Lemire, spearheading a 'horror line' for 5G and presumably starring Jo Mullein (UPDATE 2: it would have actually starred a 'main DCU' take on the necromancer Tangent Green Lantern, with Jo as the Lantern of the team Justice Alliance). Tim Sheridan would write a Nightwing/Oracle title and the new Flash book; the latter was reportedly the child of Captain Boomerang, so his ideas there were likely recycled into Bolt for his Titans Academy, the daughter of Australian criminals. Brian Bendis would be writing spy books and the Green Arrow ongoing according to a Word Balloon interview of his own. Phillip Kennedy Johnson was doing something for a 'space line'. UPDATE 2: Ram V and Mike Perkins' Swamp Thing was additionally part of 5G, and apparently Yara Flor was originally imagined as Wonder Woman.
Matt Fraction, Warren Ellis, and Chip Zdarsky were collectively working on a project involving the new Superman and Batman that ultimately fell through, whether as soon as Warren Ellis's involvement in any of DC's affairs was taken off the table, or if it would have proceeded without him but collapsed with the line. Presumably Zdarsky's end of it morphed in some fashion into Justice League: Last Ride, showing the sundowning days of the now-disbanded League.
(Pure personal speculation: the roughly contemporaneous The Batman's Grave when Ellis was part of the 5G braintrust may have been intended to provide a non-continuity perennial 'ending' to Bruce which would still leave him alive in accordance with his upcoming setup, same as All-Star would've provided a clean continuity-free transition point from Clark to Conner.)
UPDATE: This likely morphed into a weekly series described by DiDio by Fraction, Greg Rucka, Bendis, and Kelly Sue DeConnick charting the path of how the old guard stepped down (while still remaining alive and on the table) while the new generation emerged; his recollection was that this was titled something to the effect of Last Call, further suggesting Last Ride was a mutation of this book.
UPDATE 2: Alternatively, it may have been Changing of the Guard, an event parallel Last Call which would have shown the rise of the new generation of heroes, focusing on the new Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.
UPDATE: DiDio noted that the G's were divided by central superhero team - Justice Society of America, Justice League of America, Justice League International, Justice League, and then the "new Justice series", suggesting the era's big superhero team would have a new title rather than being a new League.
UPDATE 2: The new team would have been known as the Justice Alliance, assembled by Superman and Batman in a World's Finest miniseries (I suppose another candidate for the Ellis/Fraction/Zdarsky project, though this seems to have been a little late in the game to have had a team assigned so early on) composed of Jon, Luke, Yara, Jo, and the aforementioned new Flash. Tim Sheridan would have either written this miniseries or Justice Alliance itself; the wording of the report is unclear.
UPDATE 2: Clark breaking Bruce out of jail - which apparently was just for the sake of breaking him out of jail? - would have noted led to a generational civil war triggering the endgame of the 5G plan roundabouts 2024. To help win Clark would undergo a process to restore his former powers, but this overload of his powers would place the entire Earth at risk as foretold in the Legion's history. With Bruce somehow sacrificing himself to save the world and both men dying, the future is changed, and Jon and Luke definitively the new Superman and Batman...unless it was decided in 2025 that the initiative wasn't working, with a 'back door' planted into this chain of events to instead reboot to a clean slate with Clark and Bruce and company back in their primes.
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So your mileage will vary tremendously here, because even aside from the seismic nature of the shift everybody would find themselves pissed off by something or another in here, myself included ('everything counts' except Golden Age Superman? At least Clark’d be doing that kind of stuff in the present, but. Plus that's kind of a shame of a fate for Damian pending his inevitable face turn, though I haven’t liked much else with him since he was brought back and this could still at least be interesting. And, again, an exact timeline's pretty dopey and fruitlessly doomed to near-immediate expiration) - that's the nature of a big swing. But there's also stuff for everybody here: Superman gets a huge thematic tip of the hat to his nature as the first superhero while Wonder Woman is the public first to line up with the movies, the JSA have their role to make those fans happy, the Titans fulfill their promise as the inheritors, and again between the likes of that proto-Space Age book and Black Label miniseries there were still regularly going to be titles about the classic heroes at their peaks alongside their new adventures as elder statesmen. You have that deep history for the longtime fans, and a completely clean slate jumping-on point for anyone curious about headlines of NEW SUPERMAN NEW BATMAN THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT THE MOVIES ARE GONNA BE IN 10 YEARS, with easy-in loglines like "Just as the crown is passed the legacy of Superman is perhaps irreparably tarnished, can Lois and Clark's son Jon Kent overcome his initial stumbles and prove himself worthy of the greatest mantle of all?", "Even Bruce Wayne has given up on Batman...but one man hasn’t, and his ultimate rival is the seemingly destined Blood Heir", "The new Green Lantern found her footing patrolling a single world, but now she's thrown headlong into the most terrifying depths of the cosmos", "Can the ultimate Legacy Hero Dynasty be lived up to by the 'legacy' of one of its oldest enemies?" etc.
All-in-all: of course stuff was still gonna suck, his ultimate (good) brainstorm or not I’m sure DiDio was micromanaging it to hell and I imagine a lot of creators weren’t wild about the pitch “in a blitz of creative fervor unseen since the Silver Age create all our new headliners, who as directly derivative characters you won’t even collect royalties for”. But just in terms of what wound up on the stands each month I can't imagine it wouldn't have been so, so much better than Infinite Frontier's weightless lack of commitment in either direction where we have a new Superman, Batman, Wonder (Girl), Aquaman, and Green Lantern, but they're mostly in kind of subsidiary incidental roles while the classics still handle the big jobs until DC can decide for certain where it's going - the closest to full headliner status being Jon, who's basically holding down the fort while his dad's out of town, doing Regular Superman Stuff and fighting A Lex-Type Guy. I'm really, really hoping against hope that Dark Crisis is actually about letting the kids take center stage in a big way with a big push behind them and the old Justice League still sticking around but yielding at least a little bit of narrative authority, because the current neither fish nor fowl state of things can't continue, and snuffing this out altogether would be such a shame given I truly believe 5G was for all its flaws evident and inevitable DC's most interesting idea in years.
UPDATE: Final note, learned from that Bendis Word Balloon that the cancellation of 5G wasn't an editorial matter but due to shifting corporate priorities above everyone's heads.
UPDATE 2: Well, with a lot of this information, this whole thing pretty quickly goes from 'dammit why'd they have to screw the pooch here' to 'oh there's an excellent chance this would have exploded, huh'. After getting over the initial "JEEEEEEEESUS" reaction to, well, everything with Bruce and Clark, I still don't think it was necessarily 100% doomed, as there were clearly a whole lot of extremely talented creators involved to like with Authority reinterpret those marching orders - I can even imagine a way of doing that dopey Death of The World's Finest with some poetry and grace - but. Y'know. If the success of the plan requires a lot of brilliant people to turn it into something very different: not a great plan. Still would have been something compared to the proud nothing of the broad Infinite Frontier/Dawn of DC slate, and introduced exciting new ideas to be explored here and elsewhere over the longterm in many of the ways I suggested initially, but I can at least feel the relief of knowing that this wasn't some unprecedented moment of defeat being madly snatched unbidden from the jaws of victory.
Except for you, Matt Fraction Jon Kent Superman book. For you, I mourn to the end of time.
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the Titans in Shazam! vol 4 #1
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jewishcissiekj · 10 months
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Josh Williamson (derogatory)
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