I think fans want Jason to be a good person or be becoming one. To have a character that is well meaning and compassionate but decided murder is ok and to stand against main heroes who’s beliefs and actions go against the people he cares about and wants in his life. It’s confusing for people. People want their fav characters to be happy. But Jason can’t have his family’s support and follow his moral code. He’s cares about people and Gotham, and he’s an asshole who kills. It’s messy. It’s not black and white. I don’t even think Jason cares about being a good person or in the right anymore. I think he cares about what will save the most people instead.
Oh my goodness gracious I’ve been bamboozled
Batman’s definition of Good is not synonymous with absolute good/right no matter how much dc insists it is. Torture, battery/assault, surveillance, those are all condemnable actions too. I won’t get into the exhausting and frankly dumb debate of comic book morality wrt killing because I’ve already reblogged plenty of posts from other people who explained my thoughts on the matter far better than I ever have the patience to sit down and articulate. I also just think the notion that there’s something to be done about fictional characters who kill nazis and senseless murderers is stupid. Jason’s point is that the “main” heroes’ sanitized definition of right has its unaddressed holes and flaws which ultimately result in more preventable fatalities, and that he’ll work to correct those missing spots.
He doesn’t not care about doing what’s right. What he doesn’t care about (at least during his Winick characterization) is whether Batman thinks he’s right or wrong, because he sees the flaws in Batman’s methodology (and since he has a mind of his own). Batman’s methods alone cannot address Arkham’s revolving door and the rogues that come and go through those doors who have no intention (or capability from the doylist pov) of ever changing or undergoing redemption. Jason knows that he’s minimizing the number of preventable deaths by killing his targets, typically Characters Who Simply Do Fucked Up Shit Just Because, Why The Fuck Not?
Secondly, Jason is compassionate … to a fault. That was his fatal flaw. If he wasn’t so hell-bent on saving his potential birth mother he just met from that bomb despite everything she did to him prior, he could have protected himself instead, however slim his odds of survival were. What about his relationship with his other parents? He was a caregiver during his early childhood years for Catherine, until her death. Even mature adults who are financially stable find being a caregiver to a dying parent to be extremely burdensome on their bodies and minds, but he never complained about it or resented Catherine for being unable to care for him. Despite how none of his parents have really been what he needed them to be, he doesn’t blame them for their failings, and even continues to think highly of them (Bruce included).
And post-death? Enter Lost Days. Despite being dead set on plotting his revenge on Bruce, he constantly sidelines this in order to save other victims who are helpless like he once was. His own anger, trauma, and mission don’t remain his priority. (Sound familiar? Something something my own trauma above my son’s, mission above all else, etc.). Why would he waste precious time and risk his own life to do this if he wasn’t empathetic towards these victims or didn’t care about doing the right thing. He is simultaneously horribly traumatized and full of rage, and also incapable of ignoring what’s happening to victims around him (even as he claims that it’s indeed not his priority). And in that same vein, the entire premise of his rebirth outlaws run was that he doesn’t care if the public views him as a villain, an outlaw, so long as he can protect Gotham. And anyway where is this portrayal of him not caring about being in the right anymore. Almost every modern Jason story is about him grappling with where he stands with Bruce/Batman. During the early 2000s was probably the last time he did not care (hello, tentatodd??).
Jason has very evidently been portrayed as a kind and compassionate character. He is also simultaneously a calculated killer who doesn’t hesitate to kill when he deems necessary, and does so without remorse. It’s called being a Complex Character With An Edge™ that as you said, people so often claim to love. However when he fulfills that latter part, that seems to upset people because “killing bad”, and they then try to shave off and round out all his edges and claim he shouldn’t be that angry. In that case I guess you should just stick to liking traditional one-dimensional characters instead of claiming to like Jason but then encouraging his character assassination attempt by dc. Lol.
Lastly, who said anything about the batfam making Jason happy? Just because he’s written nowadays to want acceptance from Bruce (a shoddy attempt at forcing a non-existent nuclear batfamily), doesn’t mean that it’s a sound decision or that it does his character justice. I certainly don’t empathize with the idea that Jason needs the family’s approval or acceptance to be happy. (And anyway he has enough outlets for angst and pain aside from the batfam hello explore his other sources of trauma and do more deep dives into how he thinks when he’s alone). I don’t want them to magically make up and become one big happy family. This is not disney Lol. Besides, there are plenty of stories from dc that have that type of “wholesome” (hate that word utilization) characterization for Jason (Li’l Gotham, Tiny Titans, wfa, and even new stuff like the brave and the bold mini) and that is sufficient imo. Jason fans who are invested in the character deserve accurate, nuanced characterization and well-written stories, whether they be from his robin days (e.g., Batman: The Cult) or as red hood.
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THIS IS A WIP (the shading omg I tremble) but I’m blaming @pianokantzart for getting me into the Mario fam vibe. Their amazing analyses plus wonderful fics (YES I READ THEM SHUSH) made my head drift into ‘what if’s’ scenarios and pls. Just. Papa Mario coming back from work tired, only to find out Mamma hasn’t come back from her work yet (coming from an immigrant family, everyone works, there’s no ‘house wife’ in an immigrant family), and finds the twins crying so he does his best to calm them down (he’s not very good at it) and finally after reading ten billion stories they fall asleep and he sits down with them in his arms (because he’s afraid to wake up plus, they are so cute!!!!) and ends up falling asleep on the couch, to be found later by his wife (who totally does not take a picture as quickly as she can).
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I don’t know if this is something that has been said before but I would like to point out the song Blue Monday is on Mike’s official Spotify playlist. Looking at the lyrics, I can say that this is another song that relates to him and his struggles.
Like look at these lyrics:
That is Mike Wheeler and you cannot change my mind.
(Here’s a Spotify link as well to anyone who wants to listen)
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I’ve read some things about Jake muller and his mother and I wanna share a small rant: I believe Wesker left his gf not because he was evil, but because he was working for a dangerous corporation. It’s Umbrella we’re talking about 💀 of course he’s gonna want to keep dear people away. Keep in mind, his humanity vanished after he came back to life, so he still cared and loved people despite his exterior. (Or maybe I’m just being delu lelu 🥹)
oh yeah i’m pretty sure that’s canon since he got all frisky w his girl right before/after getting into the military (around 1991 and jake was born in 1992. no exact date but wesker left right around that point. capcom continues to annoy me by only giving the year and not the specific date..)
i don’t think wesker left just because he wanted to be a bad guy. he kind of had to leave to because at that point the military wanted him because they were doing their own illegal bioweapon shit. he then served until 1996 when stars was founded and he then became the captain of alpha team. wesker was a busy fucker.
here’s how i see it. i think his gf understood. he was busy and he was hired by the military to do important shit (pretty sure he never told her cause why would he 😭). then at that point they likely fucked before he left considering when jake was born and him not knowing he actually got her pregnant. she also had to get back to her normal life too, as she was a serbian immigrant living in edonia. they both had shit to do.
i personally think it’s hard for wesker to actually ‘love’ anybody considering he was practically hardwired to simply serve spencer and commit bioterrorism. do i think he loved his girl? yeah sure. if she still loved him after she went back to edonia and taught jake to respect him i think there’s a possibility. i always see it as him taking one partner and not settling for another when he already has them. he’s not gonna fall in love w anybody else LMAO
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