#if anyone has any relevant screencaps of the things i've mentioned

[wrenhyperfixates]

Is Loki a good person?

Hello nonny! For all intents and purposes, I would say, yes, Loki is a good person. As you can read in this post by @lokistan, Loki has done a number of selfless things. I’ve put some of my thoughts in my reblog of that post, too, if you want to check it out. 

Really, what I think it all boils down to, is Loki is a good person who has done some questionable and (depending on how you frame it) bad things. Namely, I’d say his attempted genocide of the Jötunn is arguably the worst thing he’s done. And beside the very idea of it being wrong, I would say this is the worst because it is when he had the most control of his will.

Now, notre i said the “most” control, not full. Sure, it could be seen as full, but that gets into a bit more of a gray area. What is full control of the will? I have never taken an ethics class, but we are covering morals in my theology class (the topic is called “moral theology” however, so this is largely subjective as it is based on religion. Then again, I think it could be argued all moral philosophy is somewhat subjective, but I digress). My point in bringing this up is that, according to this class, full intent of the will is affected by things like peer pressure. In other words, if you feel pressure to do something because everyone else around you is, and you want to fit in, that is not full intent of the will.

Now, let’s look at Asgard. Based on what we’ve seen, Asgard is first and foremost a warrior society. The kingdom was built on bloodshed and violence. Not to mention prejudice, especially against frost giants. From a young age, Thor was saying he wanted to destroy all Jötunns. Heck, when he goes to Jötunheim, Thor invites his father to help him finish off the frost giants. Odin declines and they go back to Asgard where he promptly gives his son a scolding, banishing Thor to Midgard. It’s only on Midgard, after being given a whole movie, that Thor changes his tune.

So what about Loki?

What I personally have pinpointed as his worst action happened in the first movie he appeared in, one of the ones where he was admittedly acting as a villain or an antagonist. (Again, I say “acting as” because a character opposing a hero or protagonist doesn’t immediately make everything black and white to be able to go “oh, then they’re a bad person.”) This action, the attempted genocide of the frost giants—which he actually is, by the way, but that’s opening a whole other can of worms—can be seen as a decision prompted by outside influences, such as culture and family. Before this, he’s never done anything undoubtedly evil. Perhaps one or two things that are questionable, but upon closer inspection, I would say not bad/his fault. And after? His will and mind are not his own in Avengers 1, and how can you (fully) fault someone for doing something they didn’t have control over? Then from TDW through IW he doesn’t doing anything bad. Maybe it’s a little frustrating he took the Tesseract, prompting the battle with Thanos (again, a whole other can of worms. Besides, Thanos probably would have attacked them anyway if he came across the ship). In Endgame, he only appears as 2012 Loki, the one from Avengers. He’s free of the mind control at this point, but is escaping imprisonment from something he didn’t have control over really a bad or evil thing? Again, I’d say no. 

So, to conclude, Loki has done at least a few morally questionable things in his life, just like anyone would. The attempted genocide of the frost giants, which is what I consider the worst things he’s done, was heavily influenced by the environment he was raised in and prejudice he was exposed to. Thor threatened the same thing, but we cannot have a double standard just because he did not get as close to the actual action. Thor was given the chance to redeem himself, and is now viewed as a good guy. Loki, just like his brother, showed that he was better than that one action, and for the sake of the argument and lack of better words, redeemed himself. It only stands to reason that he is a good guy too.

#so this heavily focuses on just the one action #and if anyone wants to ask about other specific actions please feel free #but yea he’s a good person #if anyone has any relevant screencaps of the things i've mentioned #please send them my way #i am very bad at finding them #thanks for the ask! #anon ask #anon #ask #loki analysis #mcu loki #marvel loki #and ok yea this is only about mcu loki #comic loki is an entirely different story that I could not speak nearly as well on

[strangertheory]

Hello! Forgive me if I've mentioned this before, but regarding the DID theory, I have some info of my own. There's a popular conspiracy fantasy that I know of called the ''monarch mind control program'' conspiracy. Essentially, the theory goes that the majority of celebrities were actually abused until they formed alters, and then had those alters to be used as sex alters, or spy alters, and have no memory of the other events as the main personality. A popular example that the truthers point to is Britney Spears.

Obviously I highly doubt it's real, but the Duffers may have looked into conspiracy fantasies for inspiration, so there might be some hint of this in a future season?

Hi @gay-sylvain-jose-gautier-truther , it's nice to hear from you again. Thanks for messaging.

The same day you sent this Ask I received another one on the exact same topic.

Writers draw inspiration from anywhere and everywhere, and it's certainly possible that this particular conspiracy theory might catch the attention of storytellers looking to explore such a topic.

I'm not especially familiar with this particular conspiracy theory, but I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on how it might be relevant. I must admit that the possible connections to that particular conspiracy theory do seem very eerie to me as I think over the many details and themes in the show.

I do suspect there is a creative purpose behind the butterflies in all of the sets. And maybe these butterflies have more than one symbolic purpose within the greater narrative of the story.

For a while I had been considering the possibility that butterflies in Stranger Things might be representative of illusion and deception, within the context of a butterfly being associated with Kali's abilities.

I appreciate @sttheorycraft 's insight that one of the show's writers has mentioned that she sees the cast growing up as being like they're in cocoons, and still becoming who they are going to be as they grow up:

Butterflies have an obvious association with themes of transformation and growth, and are sometimes symbolic of the soul and afterlife and rebirth because of the way in which the caterpillar appears to go through a death and rebirth as its body melts down within its cocoon and then reforms itself into a butterfly.

If anyone is interested in my most recent thread of butterflies in Stranger Things, it's here — but even just the other day while rewatching season 3 I saw even more butterflies that I need to take even more screencaps of from the show. They really are hidden in dozens of scenes.

But to return back to your Ask and not run off on a butterfly tangent — it's certainly possible that this particular conspiracy theory around MKUltra and this rumored secret mind control program were inspiration for elements of the show. Writers might draw inspiration from many sources. And that would definitely give all of the butterfly imagery an entirely new, chilling context. All of us Stranger Things theorists don't quite have enough puzzle pieces for any degree of absolute certainty on any one idea, but this table of ideas and hypotheticals we're discussing is getting more and more compelling each time someone points out a new suspicious detail or possibility. So thank you for sharing your thoughts.

As with any idea that has caught my attention, I'm anxiously looking forward to seeing what happens in seasons 4 and 5 to see which ideas prove to be relevant, which are left uncertain and up to interpretation, and which are overtly contradicted and debunked. Whatever happens next in the series, I look forward to continuing to theorize about the writers' intentions and sources of inspiration with you and other fans. I have a long list of "oh, maybe that's relevant" and "hmm that's an odd coincidence" observations and ideas about Stranger Things which has been growing longer every day. Thanks for adding to it!

Thank you for messaging - I hope you have a good weekend!

#the did theory #abuse cw #rape cw #brainwashing cw #long post #mind control cw #if anyone thinks there are other cw tags I should add to these posts please let me know