#if Wanda intends to leave Agatha suffering within her own body as torture and then does so

[worstloki]

maybe it cause loki is a villain with a smugness is why? lol some villains are liked for some reasons who are we to judge like for example loki, joker and draco malfoy seem be like villains

There’s nothing wrong with liking villains, it’s just that in both the films and comics Loki has been recently proven himself on many occasions to fall more under anti-hero (or hero!) and displays effort to be/is morally better than his relative designated hero (Thor). Decent comparisons here would be in regards to characters who were raised bad, looked down on by their own, and then wound up on the good side anyway, so Zuko and a mix of Sirius/Regulus would be better comparisons to be made here. 

While characters like Azula and Draco have the possibility for it they weren’t given redemption because of where the texts ended. Their contributions to villainy can be read as resulting from the abusive environments they were raised in and without that need to prove themselves a part of their family/organization there is much room to develop, especially since the plot cuts off after their reasons to remain bad have been eliminated. While some people like the villainous aspects (which, totally fine and understandable) some people find the idea of never being too far gone to be redeemed inspiring. The difference here is that whether either character decides to be better or doesn’t is left to interpretation (don’t @ me about the a:tla comics or the cursed child, i’m not talking about them rn). For this category I would only put Loki if it referred solely to Thor 1 or the comics before Kid Loki. I think a better comparison here could be to Ava or Killmonger (if he had lived) because of where their narratives cut off.

The Joker is... the Joker... and I’m pretty sure he’s not even trying for anything like a redemption? Of what I’ve read he doesn’t show remorse or guilt over his actions nor does he try to undo his work or have a purpose other than homicide? Not sure who to compare to but lets go with Sozin/Azulon/Ozai trifecta and Moldymort. 

There’s plenty of factors that could be involved, and “smug villain” can 100% be a reason on it’s own too. I just. Don’t like to simplify it that much. And the Thing about this though is that regardless of where the hero or villain status might lie people tend to decide which characters they like based off what they find entertaining or worth personally investing in, which is why patterns between favourites are always fun to take a look at, and why one person might define villain as synonymous with morally bad/evil while another will equate it to being an antagonist. 

#I myself tend to throw villain in with meaning either of those last options by the way #if I say ''Loki is a villain'' I'll be following it up with ''in Thor 1/Avengers 1/X comic'' basically #when judging morally I know I go more off intention because I'm subjective #if I see Wanda trying to stop a bomb and blowing up the floor of a building I'd blame her lack of practice in magic not call her evil for it #if Wanda intends to leave Agatha suffering within her own body as torture and then does so? Now THAT goes into villain territory #it's why Wanda accidentally taking over Westview would've been fine by me but she DOES know what's going on so I go hmmmm wait.... #it's why I keep the genocide of jotunheim in mind but don't blame loki for thinking it was the only thing he could do #even if he had planned to kill the entire race... his context is against Thor and Odin and Bor who all attempted genocide themselves ??? #we already know Loki isn't exactly into bloodlust or enjoying the fight like the warriors 5 so he isn't there to kill the race tho he tries #since the entire race is framed to be bad by the narrative I honestly read the destroying as more symbolic for loki #in the sense that he could destroy everything he is and everything he's tried to be and it still wouldn't make a difference to odin #since it's followed up by Loki then also letting go #and Odin in this instance of course represents the entire Asgardian society as the literal king #so Loki essentially lets go of what is expected of him which is also why Thor yelling for him doesn't make a difference now #he's just done trying and being rejected and criticized so he doesnt let go to solely to end his life but rather stop doing what others want #if you go for the literal thing he's done though he totally just tried to kill an entire race so odin will see him as a worthy son #BUT that race itself was presented as already dying and 'bad' and Thor himself only opposed Loki bc it was Loki doing that #even though Loki is the main antagonist here he's given motive and morals while the Jotuns are only implied to have to the same #they need the casket for their planet but Laufey also prioritizes killing Odin and 'revenge' is 'bad' in the eyes of many unfortunately #killmonger too lets not forget that his intention was to make things better for people like him suffering everywhere #the only 'evil' things I'd say he did was kill the people he was working with (the lady?) and then try for his goal trying to kill others #if he'd been a bit more successful he'd be in the same boat as loki except killmonger's context (assuming it's earth) definitely stands out #it's why I categorize him as a villain #even though i'm crazy tempted to throw him into anti-hero often #fighting t'challa in the ring as he did was :// but he's got a goal to achieve you know #it's sympathetic but T'Challa and everyone opposing/with him knows the weight of what will be done #Thor/Loki were raised on xenophobia/racism and war stories so the lives of Jotuns don't have the worth of lives if it's in a war #literally the only thing saving Loki is that he was going off Asgardian morals instead of his own at the time #i rant but tldr it's not wrong to group characters together but if you ask me to compare draco/joker/loki i'd say they have more differences #and just to clarify bc I know how reading comprehension here is I'm not saying genocide is good but consider I'm speaking on fictional