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classpectpokerap · 2 months
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How do you feel about the portrayal of plurality in Homestuck? Because it’s not good.
Cherubs are “supposed” to predominate over their other personality. With Calliope being portrayed as naive for trying to co exist.
Horuss is mocked for being a system. But I’d say it was a king fun of people who pretend to be mentally Ill on social media for clicks.
Then their are the sprites
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okay so
i guess we're doing this
HOMESTUCK AND PLURALITY: A PRIMER
BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST THERES SO MUCH
SO SO SO MUCH
okay. so
homestuck is one of the best pieces of media of all time for plurality and i fuckin mean it. no shot do not pass go i have NEVER seen anything that is more built from the ground up to Support plural reads. like, to the point where it feels impossible to read homestuck without it.
as a work dealing with two huge primary themes of a) finding yourself/identity/growing up, and b) ideas coming to life, plurality is pretty much the Perfect intersection between the two of them. like.
take rose for example.
rose is plural and it's great.
when the doomed timeline evaporates, future dream rose does not actually "cease to exist." she ceases to exist as her own person -- her memories, experiences, personality, thoughts (or, as shorthand, her selfstuff) all flows back into rose prime. and that experience is just something rose has to roll with. one becomes two -- that other rose is still in her mind.
jade's plural and it's great.
when her dream self awakens as jadesprite, jade has a horrific argument with her. if you're plural i'm sure you understand. fighting with an age-regressed version of you, stuck in a traumatic past, who WONT FUCKING LISTEN -- we've all . been there.
she has involuntary barks, she can't stop seeing images of fire, she wants to go back to nonexistence but she doesnt want to die and it's torture,
and then in cascade, jade fuses with her.
dream jade is still in there. that part of her she has to grapple with is still real. her dog who she loves is in there, too -- but, yknow. woof
then grimbark gets forcefully introjected into her. i've seen a few fics play with the idea that the grimbark personality is still residually there (read ygtpoasu), but it's not a huge thing that's explored in the text. more backgrounded. but still! her crisis of identity is in there.
wanna know what's NOT backgrounded
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tavros's plurality is like, a pretty big factor in his character!!!! it's one of the bigger points vriska uses to bully him with (because she's projecting because she's projecting because she's projecting, because she's also plural and kins mindfang), it's like. a big thing that he has to cope with and figure out.
kanaya suggested tavros treat his self-confidence as his own brain guy, like, completely sincerely. she genuinely thought it would help, and it sorta did!!!!!
and like
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it is FAR from the only positive example of plurality in the comic.
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like. look at sollux and aradia defending "alternate reality copies" of characters -- which can be pretty easily extrapolated to them talking about fictives
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like. !!!!
i dunno, man. i think that homestuck is a DEEPLY plural story. you should read mtm and kgtac for more exploration of these themes. read detective pony too while you're at it. like.
i havent even TOUCHED on horuss or dirk or karkat here because there is just so much. there's so much! like ultselves. oh my god i completely neglected to talk about ultselves or cherubs or --
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but anyway here's The Screenshots from mtm
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homestuck is, like, the single most fictive compatible fictional work i've ever read.
"oh im being sent to another universe as a brain ghost? that happened to my buddy dirk"
"oh im one of many incarnations of myself, and perhaps not even the most 'canon compliant' one? haha dream bubbles moment"
"ive been isekai'd into another world? lol sburb"
it. yeah. god. i could literally talk about this all day. but instead im gonna direct you to my ao3.
check out no metaphors and then scroll through the "multiplicity/plurality" tag on my page
and if youve got more specific stuff, send in another ask!
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twocubes · 5 months
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I have a tarot reading request about my work + social life situation. I am basically burnt out from my job to the point that I'm unable or unwilling to accept even thanks or praise. Most of it relates to my manager, who has an imprecise yet emotionally blunt and at times exacting manner of communication that feels tailor-made to make technical discussions nearly impossible (I am a software engineer, and a fairly sensitive person. He is a military veteran who believes strongly in doing the fastest thing that works, and has been known to critique people to their face openly in group settings.) So I know the "correct" thing to do is grind up my LeetCode and start job hunting … but that would mean sitting down with a traditional data structures & algorithms text when I feel like I would much rather invest myself intellectually in my pipe dream of learning mathematics / getting, someday, to participate in the new univalent foundations of mathematics (maybe even as a programmer.) At the same time, the usual outlets I might have of getting to go for long walks / socialize on weekends feel increasingly out of reach, since I live in the outskirts of my city and the public transit authority there has been cancelling the trains for shuttle buses for most weekends, for what is going on 2 years now (at least since after the pandemic.) Having to ride buses instead of just hop on a train on weekends, for promised signal improvements that feel like they will never come, is slowly killing any sense of spontaneity and connection with casual human society outside of work for me. And even thinking about moving feels impossible (I have a housemate, my sibling, who I love dearly but I'm just not sure I want to commit to another 3-5 yrs. of cohabitation with.) Every direction in which I might reasonably turn for some vision of life outside of the cramped, artificial one where our company is super great! and everything is super exciting! despite the burnout and the constant reorgs and the whole new managerial clique we just got that's in charge of everything now, and, and, and … feels increasingly closed off. Would love any interpretation you could offer.
thank you for volunteering your fate to be decided by our still experimental divinatory process, here at dorothy twocubes' 24-hour bad advice hour™! as always, i must remind you, that this should only be taken seriously if it's good advice; otherwise, it's a joke, haha, why would you take it seriously? anyways let's get started
you seem to have some idea of what you want, and you seem to need advice regarding what to do next, so i will try with that mainstay, that good old spread that everyone likes and uses, Sun Tzu's five factors that decide battles. also i haven't done this in a while and this one i used a bunch before so maybe it's appropriate idk
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alright.
Purpose: ONE OF FISHES, reversed Purpose here means what you're trying to do, your goals. If you were like, a leader of a group, it would be the reason that other people follow you. What keeps you going as like, an entity. FISHES are to do with your social position in the world, where you are relative to others in the way that it defines who you are. ONE is to do with something being complete, filled, all there, enough. that sort of thing and it's reversed
Landscape: ONE HALF OF HEARTS, reversed Landscape here means the environment you're navigating. Where you are relative to other things and other people in the sense of like, obstacles or resources or... yknow, things that must be practically considered HEARTS are to do with perpetuance; with what it is that sustains, what allows something to continue to exist. health, both literal and metaphorical ONE HALF is to do with stuff being incomplete; things that are started but not finished, things that are there but not sufficient, partialness and it's reversed
Climate: NINE OF DIAMONDS, reversed Climate here means transient stuff that affects the landscape. The mood of the world, the weather. The way the world is changing. DIAMONDS are to do with what you value, what gives your life purpose, meaning. What fulfills you. and it's reversed
Doctrine: OMEGA PLUS ONE OF DIAMONDS, upright Doctrine is what you are trained to do, what your standard operating procedures are. What you can do without having to learn to do new things. OMEGA PLUS ONE is to do with utopia. While OMEGA is to do with your ideals, that which you pursue without particular expectation that you might ever attain, OMEGA PLUS ONE is to do with the world that you might imagine if you attained your maybe-unattainable ideals. and it's upright
Leadership: EIGHT OF DIAMONDS, reversed Leadership is the strategy you chose, given all the other things here. EIGHT is to do with networks. Stuff being connected to stuff that is connected to more stuff. and it's upright
In addition, there is an arithmetic relationship between the cards:
8 + 1 = 9 this suggests that we should think of our interpretation of 9 as being a more direct consequence of the coordination of 8 and 1
I read these cards thus:
You are in a situation here where, in principle, your social position is fully secured, but your desire here is to leave this security.
The world you live in is one where people are struggling to support themselves and what-makes-them-themselves, and at the moment people are overall having to make hard choices regarding the pursuit of those precious things that make their life worth living.
You have the ability already, without having to learn it, to do what you think you would do in ideal circumstances.
So, given all this, the cards are suggesting that you should reach out in pursuit of what-gives-your-life-value and work with others; friends, acquaintances and acquaintances-of-acquaintances. In particular, the hard choices other people are making may give you some form of opportunity to change your social position.
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Anyways, that's my reading. Maybe these cards make sense to you in some other way? Maybe this is helpful? Maybe it isn't? Either way, I claim no responsibility :p
Thanks for this opportunity to further test our experimental variant on the classic card-based rpg solitaire "cartomancy". i would be happy for feedback or a tip, but, it's also absolutely fine if you'd rather not. it's your choice, and we respect that.
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hostilemuppet · 13 days
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cannot begin to describe how important lyndata was to me back in the day. it started with me obsessing over ardata (upper middle class and privileged, you think shes got it all and shes using it for evil, but shes actually stuck in a situation she has no way out of: she WANTS to leave, shes the only character who LOOKS FORWARD TO leaving the planet bc it means an escape. it can easily be read as a metaphor for suicidal ideation, coupled with her literally self harming in front of you, and then saying youre the only person whos ever tried to be her friend) and being so sick of the way people treat her, glossing over her and treating her as if shes just evil for no reason, while worshiping the ground all the male characters walked on
then we got lynera, and she was another complicated female character (middle of the road, all but isolated by greater society, hated by almost all of her cloister mates except bronya, who she loves, cherishes, ADORES in an extremely unhealthy way, and doesnt want anything to happen to her, and shes miserable living like this but its all she knows), and she was also tossed to the side in favour of the dude she shared her volume with
and then... yknow... i just pushed em together! two women, suffering under the system that punishes change, i thought theyd compliment each other. then i got obsessed with them, as you do, they worked so WELL together, and they never even interacted! if everyone else got to ship tagora and galekh, who didnt even canonically know each other until galekhs route, then why cant i do the same with two girls!
AND THEN.
AND THEN.
THEY *DID* ACTUALLY INTERACT.
PRIOR TO VOL18s RELEASE, THE STEAM PAGE WENT UP, AND IT HAD THIS
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someone sent it to me, and i thought it was a FAKE SCREENSHOT. i thought they made it and sent it to me bc they knew itd make me happy, and it did, but then it was REAL. IT WAS REAL! THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN THE SAME SHOT! my silly little crackship that i was so invested in and NAMED, IT HAD BASIS. and not only basis, but THIS
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SHE CALLS HER "MY SWEET THIIING"!!!!!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH I WAS FREAKING THE FUCK OUT?????????????????? sure, galekh had a "canon crush on tagora" who "presumably reciprocated" or whatever, but lyndata, my crackship with the COMPLICATED LESBIANS, had a PETNAME. by that point i had resolved myself that the writers had completely dropped the ball on ardata, and they kind of also did on this route (what they had was FUNNY and CUTE but it made no sense how she went from vol1 to vol13 to vol18), but they brought her back one final time. my favourite character, and they put her in the SAME SCREEN as my SECOND FAVOURITE, and they actually talk to each other and its cute and she calls her her SWEET THIIING!!!!!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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grntaire · 6 months
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okay important question.
would you (or did you) put i will follow you into the dark in a good omens playlist? bc i hear that they did officially but like. literally question mark yknow? i can't bring myself to do that. personally. curious about what you tumblr used grntaire crowley icon think about this.
first of all this is a hilarious read. 10/10 no notes
personally i think there are other songs that are MUCH more aziracrow-coded that don’t require the reconfiguration needed to make the lyrics suit them, especially since the song equates escape to death, instead of equating escape to eternal time on earth, as is aziraphale and crowley’s case
then there’s the “illuminate the no’s on their vacancy signs” line, implying that the people in the song are being turned away from heaven and hell. this is literally the exact opposite issue that aziraphale and crowley have, in that they can’t escape heaven and hell
an argument could be made that the “dark” could represent the unknown instead of death, but then i think that makes the references to heaven and hell void as they’re literal references and not metaphorical in the context of both the song and good omens. the second verse that discusses how the people in the song have “seen everything to see” could be applicable, though
so yeah no it’s not in my good omens playlist, imo what enjolras/grantaire has with i will follow you into the dark is what aziraphale/crowley has with being alive from company. very specifically the raul esparza version from the 2007 tony awards lmao though To Me aquaman by walk the moon is a close runner up
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CAP! CAP MY MAIN MAN LITERALLY SCREAMING YOU SURE DO FUCKING LOVE CLIFF HANGERS DON'T YOU? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
right. right. ok i'll have you know i made fucking notes as i read because i didn't want to miss out on things to scream about
first of all: writing style? yes it is a bit different (and you seem set on making metaphors about boats, i wonder why... has a certain cephalopod game influenced you?? honestly i loved them and it fits nicely because house boat) but i really liked it, dialogue flowed more naturally (not that it was bad in the slightest at all!) so it was interesting to read :))
NOW ONTO MY FUCKING NOTES!
(there is a fucking lot of text after this so be prepared, the "keep reading" thingy doesn't work in asks i checked)
(as a note, whenever i ask very direct questions i am not expecting too many (or any in some cases) answers cause yknow spoilers, i am just very enthusiastically showing all my thought processes because its fun)
"she could feel her powers growing ever day..." ?!?!??! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?? is there more side affects to the miraculous? is the fact that she literally has the god of destruction constantly near her constantly and uses his powers nearly every day changing how she views things? is she literally growing more powerful in terms strength? multiple powers eg another thing like cataclysm? there are so many things it could mean-
Juleka was legit so fucking sad? the entire time? she is so overwhelmed :( literally talk to someone about it- please- your entire family knows! aaa :(
"so much more than red glitter and black leather" is... is ladybug glittery? does she sparkle? this doesn't matter but i keep imagining her like bedazzled in rhinestones or something else and losing it a little
aww Alix taught small children how to skate! it was in this chapter! also: she swore in a presentation?? i literally cannot swear in front of a teacher, one time i did by accident in a hallway and she legit ran at me
loved Chloes little moment "Wait- was that mean? It was? Oh. I guess I’m- sorry" that was very cute
ah. to quote directly from my notes: "Gabriel used to be Nathalies "best friend" and Emily was her "dearest companion"? Yeah ok that's pretty gay buckaroo, polyamorous relationship, Nathalie and Gabriel are queer platonic, 200k prequel, angst, unhappy ending, major character death" so that amused me greatly
Crows keep showing up... and for a second i wondered if it was related to Rose and was a reference to OM since yknow rose is a grim and crows are also signs of death, but then they popped up again and i'm now suspicious, either i am reading too far into this or they could mean a few things: first thought was they could be related to Juleka and her powers, similar to how cats are attracted to her? or a few other things but i shall keep those theories to myself (see how you like not knowing cap /j) and wait and see for more
"apparently some floats were gonna appear of Paris's heroes. Ladybug, Rena, Queen Bee, Carapace, the lot" i am choosing to believe this is juleka being an unreliable narrator and not that they (the city) forgot about. because that makes me sad.
i also said: "i've decided alyas blog is on tumblr" and something about how that implies the majority of Paris has a tumblr makes me laugh so much
ha, Alix's "SCATTER!" was hilarious, she would do that at the first opportunity, i too would do so at the first opportunity presented
Juleka kicked Horrificators ass?? as Juleka did this with a guitar case?? ain't that thing supposed to be a massive fucker?? either this is just another case of juleka being stronger than she seems to be or this is related to her ominously put growing powers, its always interesting to see how she deals with fights when she isn't in costume, one of the reasons why the drama club chapters were so interesting because Juleka was fighting (maybe not physically all the time but she was fighting) Adam as herself the entire time
"something about it felt different now..." WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HOW DOES THE TRANSFORMATION NORMALLY FEEL VS NOW GIVE ME MORE the real question is it related to "growing powers" (i keep referencing it because it could mean literally so much or nothing) or her attitude, i don't have a direct quote but this isn't my english exam so its fine, it was implied that Juleka is slightly more accepting about the fact that she literally is Panthera (i mean she also said Panthera isn't a real person but like i digress) so maybe thats why it felt different to transform?
panthera just stealing Reversers transport is so fucking funny, all i could think of was the entire hero gang stealing something like idk RogerCops car and just going off in it
that was my last note because i was too invested in seeing what would happen to write thoughts at the same time
agh literally so hype to see what happens next, this chapter was already very action based and very very good :))
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM SO HAPPY YOU ENJOYED!!! THESE NOTES BRING ME SO MUCH JOY!!!!
I love hearing your guys's thoughts, observations, and theories, it brings so much drive and inspiration in my heart. Thank you thank you thank you thank you.
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originemesis · 2 months
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@empyreanwings cont. from xxx
❛ yknow my door is always open to you. ❜ — @originemesis
Cain smiles, well, the harrowing expression was implied given that his face faded so many centuries ago. "I almost didn't recognize you," he had the mind to laugh, but nothing came from the intention," but- is that so? Funny, I thought I wasn't allowed to walk myself up into Paradise. Big man's rules, after all." He was questioning it though. It being Adam's appearance before him. Never mind it being possible. Did he want something? Cain had nothing to give ( nothing that he personally deemed important ), but who knows what he wants anymore? Hell, it's been since almost the creation of time since he last saw daddy dearest, making him a near stranger after it all. "Not many people walk themselves through the sludge and bodies to get here, so you must want something. What is it?"
Ah, leave it to his mom's side to rub in that insufferable amount of quite literally taking things- well...a bit too literally? He could have sworn he'd told the kiddo the difference between words and actions, and although words could be pretty and perfectly well-intentioned, it didn't mean they were stone-carved into law or something until they were quite literally carved into a tablet. Nah, they'd had to nip that little nuance in the bud later...much later on his account, and since he wasn't around for it- he didn't care all too much.
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"...it's a metaphor, champ." Oh well, might as well just spell it out for the guy. Not like he had much time to waste coddling him now when he had some matters to tie up at the embassy before heading back to heaven, flecks of steaming scarlet still spattered across the span of his mask's visor.
"Yeah, so like ~ whenever I'm down here on business, shit just means I'm down to shoot the shit. And don't act like that doesn't just warm up your black little heart, bitch. I know you're a real attention whore- no IDEA where you get it." He had taken to examining his talon tips with subdued interest, though it was a lot more attention paid to anything around the lair-Cain included.
"And c'moooon, it hasn't been THAT long. It's just tough wading through all the syphilis infested streets to make it to your wittle baby bachelor pad. You got food around here by the way? Buddy, I could hit the lamb kabobs right now like nobody's fuckin' business."
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trainingdummyrabbit · 1 month
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Woe
9, 14, 27
uouoauhg... explodes of Quemstions(tm)
9- tell a story about your childhood this one is . really funny actually bc i thought abt several stories and Most of them revolve around pokemon in one way or another .. there Have been several different times i was directly responsible for a boom in pkmn card popularity in my school, subsequently causing them to get banned. one of those times, there was a kid who just. he just fucking sucked man. id bring stacks of my cards in my backpack bc i loved sharing and trading them, and he just. apparently snuck in and stole like half of them? at some point? and i Knew, because my favorite card was one of em, and it had been out of print for Years at that point, and when i confronted him, he said he 'got it at walmart.' which was obviously fucking bullshit but i was too much of a pansy to confront him about it. iwas still solidly in the Polite School Kid thing, yknow? and at some point one of my friends from a lower grade went 'hey. check this out.' and pulls out a fucking wad of cards he stole back from the guy??? INCLUDING all of my missing favorites. im honestly still kinda baffled to this day about it, but it doesnt matter bc my beloved is safe at home with me even to this day and i wouldnt trade her for the world. <33 (if youre curious. 2006 salamence ex delta species. her name is sally :])
14- what’s something you’ve always wanted to do but maybe been to scared to do? roleplay. i used to spend hours and hours and Hours rping literally everywhere at any chance i got, and for some reason i just... stopped? ive tried again a few times, but its never really managed t pick itself back up again... ''> > im. unfortunately Very picky about my own writing, and even more picky than that about the way im perceived, which doesnt really mix well... and then theres the active rping communities which are so alien and... weirdly strict? i always end up pushing myself too hard and exploding about it. metaphorically. outwardly its more like i just fucken disappear off th face of the earth KJNGKJD;; itried picking up an old forum acc i had about two or three weeks ago, and um. well... bbbbad timing on my part iguess... = = storytelling is still one of my biggest loves though, and i know im still deeply passionate about it, its just. ouhhhhh the struggles. oh and also cosplaying in public. id love to do that too one day, if i manage to find some friends willing within a country's radius maybe. i used to Love videos of people hanging out semi-incharacter in cosplay and just being dorks... idont really see those too often lately though :< sad..
27- any nicknames? a couple! most of them are variants of my normal name, like pika or piko or pikkles or smthn. nobodys called me those in a long time though.. my names already short n shrimple, so there hasnt rly been much need for it isuppose. a personal favorite of mine is 19, though. i used t be in a discord server w a loooot of people, and we started a joke of a 'number cult,' in which we would all call each other by numbers and kept a list of who claimed what. mine was 19 :] (since 9 was taken already.) that... lasted well over a year actually, im still 19 to a lot of people out there ithink. kind of a comforting thought.
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merlions · 9 months
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Ok so Can I Just Ask rhetorically into the air (unless someone has an answer lol I would not say no if anyone offers insight here, im just not specifically asking for it cause i dont know for sure an answer even exists i guess) but when everyone tells u to "feel your feelings" likeee....then what?
Like I keep getting the advice esp in recovery that I gotta "feel my feelings" and "recognize your feelings" but then when I'm like ok. Im doing it. I'm having a panic attack and throwing up from guilt and shame. What do I do about that. And they're like "oh no just feel them!!!"
(Also "shame is bad but guilt is constructive" OKAY. SO JUST feel DIFFERENT feelings? Than the ones I have. Hrrrghhh)
Like I feel like I missed some regular human memo here like there's supposed to be something I Know what to do but I don't know what it is.
Tbh it's the same feeling I get when people keep telling me to like believe in spirituality things or else I won't be able to stay sober. I keep being like so...how do I do that? Like how does it matter to me if there's a god, if also there's literally no guarantee that god won't do something terrible for some "greater purpose" and i cant change that? Like you want me to feel safety from that? All this bad stuff was planned by someone? How does that make it feel less bad? (What sort of sicko- )(sorry lmao I didn't realize I had anger issues w god til I was told I have to actually believe in one)
I keep asking people to describe to me what exactly it means to believe in something spiritual, to them, as if I am a human being who was born blind and never seen color, and they need to describe why some colors are "happy". Or like i'm an alien who has never eaten food and you gotta explain how something can taste "salty". I know that's not the best metaphor and is kinda appropriative of other disabilities that I don't have, but I just mean like can someone try to get SORT OF creative with trying to put this in context for me??? Cause just saying "just do it!!" absolutely does nothing for me! It doesn't make sense. Teaching a human being how to fly by saying "just move your body through the air to where you want to go". Honey. I do not know how. And I cannot learn how via this method. It is not going to work no matter how many times you say it. You are going to have to try something else.
Anyways some shit happened that's ultimately fine and I know WHY I'm having bad feelings and it's not a resolvable situation really, the thing has happened and it can't un-happen, and like I know I'm getting angry cause I'm embarrassed and upset w myself, and that they're not at fault and ultimately it is really truly for the best and actually makes my life better in the long run and I was nice about it and so were they. But like...I'm still angry and sad and embarrassed. Knowing why I feel bad doesn't make me not feel bad, it just makes me angrier with myself for not being able to control it.
And I don't want to feel it cause it hurts and there's nothing I know how to do about that besides drink. Which I am not gonna do, to be clear, but I think is understandable in a recovery space, that we are all alcoholics cause we never learned to deal w feelings any other way. All the advice from my counselor and sponsor and everyone these past 9 months of recovery has mostly just been "try to identify your feelings and feel them". Like I do literally nothing but hyperfixate and ruminate on feelings if im not numbing them and trauma splitting...if I'm not supposed to numb them out I'm Just Going To Need A Bit More Information. Yknow?
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slutsofren · 10 months
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i want to ask for a directors cut on what happened to the feyre that was supposed to be there but i feel like that may be too spoilery. is that something that will be explained later on? :D
oooh!!! yknow, i was going to touch on it a bit in the fic but definitely not to the fully developed scenario that i created in my mind. but considering me, the author, knows/wrote (lol) what happens to the real feyre i can and will definitely explain!!
reader!feyre will likely never know the exact extent of what happens, especially considering that the way i wrote the surial, a walking-talking magic 8 ball, doesn't know about the details either. and no matter what happens, in the high lady universe the mother and the cauldron will never speak straightforwardly, only in circles and riddles. how fun!! 🤪 i love being silly, goofy, and annoying!!
considering reader (being in their mid-late 20s as a human being thrusted into the body of a literal 10 year old feyre), has their wits more about them than the actual child whose body they're inhabiting, i like to think that it all came down to choice. feyre being the youngest child coming of age in a world that certainly does not give a shit if she lives or dies and with a family (from a book perspective) that is so self-centered they cant look past their own narcissistic bubble, she just opted out of life so to speak.
when reader and feyre briefly shared a mind at the moment of convergence, i think that the cauldron/mother gave them both the choice to look to their future and reader said yes, feyre said no. so they swapped bodies. for a 10 year old to witness war with hybern and (the delicious pain im going to commit) scared the shit out of her and she said nope, nope, that's all you! and jumped ship.
reader on the other hand agreed to stay.
once they fully swapped, the cauldron/mother removed their memories of the future so every single choice that is being made is not being done under the influence of a "right timeline" hence why somethings are similar and somethings are WIDELY different.
ive never been particularly silent that reader!feyre is 100% indulgent and is like a self insert of MYSELF if i was feyre which is why she only makes choices i would make if i was in her shoes. i am a sick romantic at heart with a lot of love to give and very little confidence to show it thus, why i have reader being loved by all three illyrian dickheads lol
and that's why reader was like THREE?? sign me up, im volunteering!! and feyre was like NOPE. nu-uh. then later in their swapped lives when feyre's "spirit" gave reader permission to stay and keep that life, it was a final seal of that metaphorical coffin. this was it, there was no going back. for either of them.
im skimming out over finer details but that's kind of the gist of it? again, these kinds of things won't be explained in the fic simply because a) the suriel doesnt know themselves, b) the cauldron/mother are mischievous as fuck, and c) i have a chapter where the entire truth is laid out and i cant possibly imagine the tension to be any more delectable than reader screaming that she doesnt have all the answers. it kinda fucks hard yknow!
thank you sO SO SO SOOOO much for this question, i fucking love that yall are letting me deep dive. im sending you so much love anon oh my gOD 🌹🤍
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the-lunar-warrior · 2 years
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Can I just say I 100% agree with your tags on that wtnv & tma post?? Because damn. You managed to put it into words /perfectly/
thank you 🥺 (post for reference)
it just irked me so much, such a blatant disregard for a monumental piece of queer fiction that wtnv is, and the genuinely well done horror of tma. both because that's what they are and because that opinion was OPENLY uninformed. like, dont get me wrong, it wouldve still rubbed me the wrong way, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion on what a good work of fiction, and good horror, is
instead, op just run their mouth based on... what, the fandom? i think most of us who have been online for a while can tell that fandoms dont always accurately represent the original content
and on top of that... they made it sound like wtnv is a horror. which it is NOT. if def has elements of it but the genre of wtnv and tma are just... not comparable
and then we come into what i already ranted about in the tags, which is that fear, and what "good horror" is, is subjective
im not a fan of slasher, and while im fine with jumpscares, i find them more funny than scary after the fact. some people love slasher, and very gorey horror. fnaf, which is because on jumpscares is a popular&successful horror franchise — partly BECAUSE many people enjoy being scared in the moment, but then walking away and laughing at how goofy the animatronics are!
psychological, and (among it) eldritch horror? those are VERY different! and some people (myself included) love them, some hate them! and thats alright!
the main difference is: psychological horror is meant to stick with you, sometimes long after you finished watching/reading/listening. it's meant to get in your head
and eyes? being watched? paranoia? thats a STAPLE of all kinds of horror. slasher? a murderer is watching you. jumpscares? the monster is lurking. psychological? the society/ect is judging your every move. eldritch? gods beyond our comprehension are watching
and tma specifically tackles the being watched from the perspective of people living in late stage capitalist (or decapitalist) society, even if it's not easily noticible to start with bc of the mixing with eldritch horror
maybe it's not wtnv that made a generation of people who see "trees are watching and they know your sins" (or however the original post went), as an epitome of horror. maybe it's growing up in the world where there is less and less ways to protect your privacy from governments and corporations alike
maybe it's because when i was a kid, a person saying "your phone/appliances are listening to your conversations" was seen as a nutjob, and now it's something said as a joke about reality
maybe it's because the literal idea that even nature is listening in, that there is NOWHERE to hide is terrifying. or maybe it's, yknow a metaphor for afromentioned constant technological surveillance we experience
maybe it's because some of us remember how it is not to live in a what feels more and more like a panopticon by the day
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hi bestieeeee!!!! love the feedback as usual 💛
and oh oof i honestly– did not think of that metaphor that way. i mean the ring scene for me was like… this symbol of how her engagement was literally physically hurting him, and she throws it away. you’ll see in the next chapter. but wow– that metaphor is actually so good. wish i thought about it. and you’re right! it does relate to a literal barrier.
and about y/n being a red flag 😂😂 it’s not exactly about how far she’ll go for people she cares about. you can see when she’s with chris she actually talks back to him a lot 😂 and she doesn’t give him too much of herself. she’s very guarded. which is funny bcs she loves him the most.
the thing with her parents is basically… a sign of abuse. this strong woman who’s broken off from her family and their money, who has dreams and aspirations, who literally is brave enough to deal with supernatural beings and actually help them instead of running away—she’s the one who folds when her parents cry and make her do things. it makes no sense. and that’s because she’s been so heavily abused by them. they manipulate her so easily and she has a hard time saying no to them.
like when she had to dance with alex. she could’ve stood her ground and refused but instead she agreed to dance with a) a man that makes her uncomfortable, and b) no experience in dancing whatsoever. i tap into that again when she’s sad about having to wear clothes she doesn’t want. like she had to literally be reminded that there was nothing her parents could do if she wore a different outfit because they don’t actually hold that much power on her.
so yknow… it’s not her being selfless. it’s her being emotionally abused and manipulated. it’s her feeling responsibility and obligation towards a family who never loved her because that’s what they fed into her head.
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THANK YOU<3 pink is my fav color so im very pleased with how pink everything in my theme looks rn 🥺💗 i will see if i change themes again for Christmas bc I also love it <3
Now, onto the chapter:
Oh my this makes it even worse and sADDER THAN HOW IT WAS 😭😭😭😭
You are so right, i wasn't able to see beyond what meets the eye:( and it's so complicated from what i can tell from your explanation 😭 :((
Oh now we are going deep, bc I was about to say that I've never been in that position before but then i read again what you said and LMAO IT RINGS A BELL AND YOU ARE SO RIGHT 😭😭😭 i think i was trying to justify myself by thinking "oh, its good to be selfless" (is this gaslighting???) and not thinking "damm, their parents SUCK" because god you are so right i feel like I can't even properly explain what i feel but it just made so much sense.
I feel like reader may be feeling this complicated mix between what she has been told her whole life and also longing for that reward and affection that maybe her parents never gave her? While simultaneously knowing well its not fair for her and her life to give it up for people who never really took care of her but at the SAME TIME because she has been living in this manipulative relationship her parents can easily pull the "but we are family" card and how is she supposed to say no? Its hard to, bc emotionally then if you say no you are now the bad guy and oh no ti this is so complicated im hurting even more for reader now :(( genuinely hope things brighten up for her. And honestly for anyone going through something similar :(( its very hard to recognize an abusive relationship to begin with, even more so if you are dependent on them (like housing, food, studies, etc)
And idk if this will be too personal or maybe im just overthinking so feel free to ignore but :( idk if you are writing this story based on events familiar to you or someone you know, but if it's so im sending you a big hug i cant even phantom how complicated this situation may be 🥺<3
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elesssar · 3 years
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i also feel guilty and like i’m doing something wrong by not applying for jobs in other cities but. i dont want to move. i actually think i would rather die than go and live somewhere else without my friends at this stage of my life like. what am i supposed to do, move to auckland and live with strangers because i can get a job easier? yeah i have friends in auckland but like. i actually think id rather die
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ratcandy · 3 years
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Subcon Forest Analysis
Hi everyone I'm here to spill my aggressive overflowing thoughts on Subcon Forest and what it represents because it's been driving me insane since I finished the Sleepy Subcon time rift. Okay let's go. Obvious spoilers for AHIT ahead so proceed with caution.
This is also very, very long.
Disclaimer/warning: I will be discussing abusive/unhealthy relationships in this analysis. I mean. Vanessa. Come on. Also, there is a section on the nooses, and that delves, of course, into mentions of suicide. It will be sectioned off and easily skipped, but if you'd rather be safe and skip the entire post, that's completely understandable! Please stay safe. <3
Alright. Main point to be had here:
Subcon Forest is a giant extended metaphor for Snatcher's mind and character.
You all get to now listen to me spout nonsense about metaphors and symbolism because I'm a sucker for analysis and I'm given an opportunity to go ham. So perish.
The Ice
Let's start with the most obvious and most glaring thing in Subcon. The ice. It's everywhere. Not just outside Vanessa's manor, either; no, it's throughout the village, too. Shows up in the well and in random locations sprinkled about. When it comes to literal plot, we know that ice is just what lingers after Vanessa's wintery curse on Subcon. But going deeper and analyzing the meaning behind it?
Well, let's look at this from the perspective I've suggested. Subcon Forest being an extended metaphor for Snatcher's mind and character. A symbol for Vanessa then litters his mind, enough where it's certainly noticeable at first but blends in more easily once more of Subcon is unlocked to Hat Kid. This is clearly meant to be his lingering trauma, whether or not he wants to acknowledge it. Which he doesn't, as he never mentions it directly in his forest (that I can recall). Her influence plagues him, as to be expected with the traumatic experiences he went through with her. Breaking the ice is something Hat Kid must do in order to fulfill the wishes of the Fire Spirits (another subject I'll get into shortly), which, if self-indulgently playing with the found family idea, could mean that Hat Kid is helping him heal; if indirectly. Even if fulfilling the Fire Spirits' wish to die is... counterproductive, in that measure, which I'm now getting ahead of myself so hold on a sec!!
Vanessa. Ice. Everywhere. Traces of it all over his forest. That's the effects of an abusive relationship! Especially in a worst-case scenario where... yknow! One party in the relationship dies! So of course ice would be everywhere.
In and of itself, ice is a common symbol in literature and other forms of media. In this case, it's presented as an antagonistic force; emphasis is placed upon freezing and the harm that comes with it. The cold is unwelcoming, threatening, merciless. Snow can act as an insulating force, at least, but ice cannot. It can only make things colder.
A slight stretch: Seeing as this game deals a lot with time shenaniganry, I'm not sure if it'd be too out of left field to connect "freezing" with the theme of time. Yknow. Frozen in time. Both parties here, Snatcher and Vanessa, would be in this frozen state. One largely repressing it and never fully moving on, and the other doomed to her isolation ever since the event in question. They never moved past that moment after the Prince and florist's interaction.
The Fire Spirits (& the Portraits)
I'll put a slight warning here for suicidal ideation, if only because... it's the Fire Spirits we're talking about. It's not as grossly in-detail as the noose discussion will be, though, so make of that what you will.
To me, the Fire Spirits are a very interesting case. After all, they're fire. They're a direct contrast to the ice, thus being the only thing we're shown that could potentially melt it. The Fire Spirits, in my opinion, represent hope or a strength to continue. A strength to move on after troubles of the past.
...And that hope wants to die.
The Fire Spirits wish to burn out, to leave this mortal coil and abandon the forest to the cold. They make no effort to melt the ice, they simply dance, blissfully ignorant towards their surroundings. This being a metaphor for Snatcher's own hope for moving on is made all the more obvious by the fact he wants them gone. The first contract is to kill the Fire Spirits, to kill the hope. Perhaps he believes that sort of thing to be fruitless or naïve, so it only clutters his mind or has him foolishly optimistic at points. So, get rid of it. And the hope is happy to oblige.
(That, or their willingness to leave the forest to its own suffering and not aid in the ice's thaw angers him. Besides the whole "bark bark growl I can't get to parts of my forest because of them!!" which... also could represent a naïve hope clouding his judgement, not allowing him to see a bigger picture. But hope can't all be lost if one wants to move forward...)
A little side-tangent now on the portraits! And it's another slight stretch but the idea is in my head and I can't let it go. Portraits are another common symbol, usually being a physical representation of a memory or idea. For our purposes, let's say they're memories. I know in canon they appear to just hold souls captive or something but for now we're just Ignoring That(tm). The Fire Spirits have to burn the portraits to disappear. See where I'm going with this, maybe?
Instead of handling bad memories (or perhaps memories of the past in general) in any healthy manner, Snatcher chooses to forget/repress them, which just allows his hope to progressively die out.
I'm really hoping this is making sense because it makes a lot of sense to me but I might be insane rn
The Fact that this is a Forest
Forest symbolism breakdown! What's a forest usually mean in literature? "Traditionally, the forest has come to represent being lost, exploration and potential danger as well as mystery and 'other worldliness'." Okay. Yeah. Fair enough. That certainly works with the whole aesthetic we've got going on. Wood usually is life, growth and strength. But the trees of subcon are all dead. So what about that? It stands for death, big whoop, very spooky, we know Snatcher's dead and so are the children, yadda yadda wowie wowie. But. :) The trees in Subcon look a lot like trees that were scorched in a forest fire. Don't believe me?
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(You could also argue they're just regular marsh/swamp trees bUT SSHHSUUHSH HANG ON HEAR ME OUT LOOK LOOK,)
What I believe to have happened was a controlled fire to rid the forest of the majority of its ice and snow. Likely done by Snatcher. It leaves behind a very desolate, depressing, barren scene... but. What else do dead/burnt trees symbolize? Rebirth. After all, controlled fires happen to make way for new trees to take the place of old ones. Some trees only drop seeds in fires/hot temperatures, so new ones take root and begin anew. Weird. It's almost like... I dunno. Snatcher was given some sorta second chance, given he's not just a corpse in Vanessa's cellar. So were the subconites. Another life given then by Snatcher. All connected I tell ya!!
Generally, aside from that, forests have many connotations. Mystery, isolation, claustrophobia; a place to dwell on regrets, or the past; to worry over one's future; to seek escape from or escape inside of... hmgmrnmm!
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The Nooses
The t/w is given at the top and another cut-off point will follow the bottom of this, for those that would like to skip. This will delve into talk of suicide and abusive tactics used by abusers. Please don't read if it will upset you or make you feel unsafe!!!
Personally, I cannot stand the nooses, but that's just due to my own triggers. Were there a way to hide those from the game or replace the damned talking ones with anything else. I would take it. In a heartbeat. But I can still appreciate the potential analysis to be had with them. So now i'm gonna talk about it despite how uncomfortable it will make me to do so. yEa
So, what about 'em? There are three types of nooses seen in Subcon. At least that I remember but I didn't really go looking for them. Empty ones, ones containing empty subconites, and the talking ones.
Nooses in general obviously can hint towards suicidal thoughts or behaviors of the characters that interact with them. If saying Subcon is Snatcher's mind, it could suggest that he suffered from some sort of suicidal thoughts in life (or currently, if second death is possible... or if he never truly died... or maybe he's trying to figure that out...which has given me... a separate idea...uh oh). But. And hear me out. Different perspective.
A talking noose. I hate them with a fiery passion that is unmatched. But think of the packed symbolism of a noose that talks. And think more about what it says. "I wouldn't mind being strapped around a cute neck like yours." "Be careful now, I don't want to see you meet a miserable end anywhere, but with me." Oddly, a lot of what the noose says seems almost... endearing? One could argue it's a way of luring someone to put it around their necks, which in and of itself is a whole lot to unpack when it comes to suicidal thoughts beckoning one forward; painting itself as something romantic, almost. But. Here's a wild idea, now. What if the nooses, at least the talking ones, are another symbol for Vanessa?
They're tinted blue, after all. While Vanessa's scheme is more red, one could argue two things: One, ice. Blue. Ice. yeah. Or two, the fact that Snatcher's scheme is more purple. Blue and red... make... purple. So, for all we know, Snatcher's current state was a compound effort between suicidal thoughts and Vanessa's treatment of him. Perhaps he even found a way to put himself out of his misery before freezing/starving to death. (I know he has dialogue that argues against that, but... are we certain Snatcher would be the kind to admit suicide over freezing to death?... I don't think so.)
At any rate, a common threat by those in "control" of an abusive relationship is that of killing themselves should the other person not do as they desire. It's a cruel form of emotional manipulation to get their way, worse off if the other party is an empathetic individual. As a person who has been the empathetic individual in relationships like this... I would know. I've been here, unfortunately So, it's not completely out of the question to say Vanessa could've used some tactic like that, even before the whole... cellar ordeal. Did she? I dunno. I'm tossing ideas around. But if she did, the threats of such would sit around in the Prince's mind easily. Even if she has a reputation of not going through with it. It doesn't matter. That shit sticks with you forever, that scare, the potential of it ever being true, is horrifying and it ruins you. I'm projecting, Squirtle.
Still. A noose cannot hang itself. It has to have a victim.
...yea.
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Misc. Ideas
- The spiders: Aside from the usual things spiders can be chalked up to symbolizing - toxicity, alluring danger, just... general pain - I like the potential wordplay that can happen here. Yknow. A black widow. Say the Prince and Vanessa were married when one died. What would that leave Vanessa? A widow. ...She's red and black, too. Yknow. Like a black widow. HA wordplay is fun isn't it?
- Snatcher's tree: Love this place, love sitting in here. But not the point! The inside of Snatcher's tree is such a harsh juxtaposition to the rest of Subcon that it kinda throws ya off guard. After all, the dark, purples and blues then contrasted with the bright warm colors of the inside. Even the music switches over. The thorns outside aren't present indoors. Ohh yeah this is gonna be on the nose as hell but the Tree(tm) is 100% representing Snatcher's appearance/put-on personality vs. his truer nature. Spooky outside with thorns, foreboding, unwelcoming. Then the more comfortable interior. VULnerable. Have I even mentioned that the tree is HOLLOW I mean COME ON. The sturdiness of that tree? Nonexistent. He's not a sturdy guy at all no matter how he fronts
- Intrusions are unwelcome: Snatcher does not like the fact that Hat Kid sticks around in his forest. His personal space. His mind. In fact he tries desperately to get rid of her after their fight, not wanting her presence in his forest at all. He has no problem providing more contracts later on with the Death Wish thing, and he finds great entertainment in messing around with Hat Kid, so it's not just a weird sudden hatred he has for her; it's the fact that. After she's finished being useful, he no longer wants her around, lest she find some things she shouldn't find. Now he's just uncomfortable with her in his personal boundaries. Could just be a denial that she's helped him heal (breaking ice, stealing from Vanessa, being something interesting for his kids to interact with) or just not really wanting a child to get wrapped up in. All that. Most likely the former. Considering the amount of joke-hints he drops regarding his background during his Death Wish dialogue. I see you funny man, making jokes out of your trauma as a coping mechanism. Punts him
Annnd I think that's all I got, for now! I'll make an update post if I get any more sporadic ideas. If you read this whole thing, thank you!! and also!! Wow that was a lot!! Hell world. Please feel free to elaborate on any of my points or debate with me on em!! I'm always open to other ideas, just be aware that if I disagree I am not shy when it comes to debate hehehe, tho I won't be aggressive to any extent I prommy!!
Alrighty. goes to sleep goodnight
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jrueships · 2 years
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demar top ten nba switches im SICK (it's true) im ILL..... anyway who are the others if u haven't already discussed this!!!!
HELP LMFAO 'im SICK!!! .... anywaaay WHO are the rest 👁👁 -' JABDJS God but YEAH EXACTLY EXACTLY !! i FEEL that ALRIGHT!!! LETS GET RIGHT TO IT
i lied lol. i actually really STINK at making lists n tiers n stuff LIKE flashback to when I did that like.. rank ur fav nba team tier list thing like that took me TOO long & i kept putting teams i don't even know half the players of really high just because i felt too bad to leave them at a low rank (and i literally forgot magic LMAO) so... i lied about the list 😭 I JUST CANT PIT BAD BITCHES AGAINST BAD BITCHES !!! it's CRIMINAL !!!! B U T ! i CAN tell you SOME of the BADDEST switch bitches in the nba ... it gets kinda redacted tho but anyways here's some!
Russell Westbrook: LMAO like.. was it any surprise ?? He is literally like. The nba switch. If only he can be as versatile on court as he is in bed :/ BUT ANYHOW.... i think it all really depends on how he's feelin (and who he's with plays some factor too!) he Definitely was a femme top/top to kd like.. 69% of the time. 'Cmon n be like.. daddy..lol ' - russell westbrook in a fit of unbridled lust, twitterdotcom. Def a sorta freak freak in bed (ESPECIALLY paired with 'bathwater' durant.).. but like.. a Clean freak. He probably not into spit. Likes keepin it clean & NEEDS attentive aftercare. NOT the type to sleep in the messy sheets, yaknow? Not even trying 2 be horny, jus stating the facts!! WHICH LEADS TO HIM being a Real bossy bottom. When he bottoms, usually a dominant bottom. Likes calling the shots in bed. Likes positions that give him more Power over the top. BUT if he's with someone who won't let him boss them ... you know shit get a lil Wild. BUT YEAHYEAH . russ ? can go from power top to power bottom. But has capable RANGE outside that! Can be sweet n gentle n attentive Or a little sadistic... yknow ? it all depends on his Drive. & that is INCREDIBLY switch of him!
Damian lillard: he got that serious Don't Fuck With Me energy. Feels like a doja cat feelin herself song almost? Those kinda girlboss vibes. But he's Also surprisingly VERY sweet to people who you wouldn't expect him to befriend. HOWEVER.. he can be KINDA bitchy.. he just really Tries to be so cool and carry the world on his shoulders and people like that DO deserve some good d*ck ! prophesied!! ( also he got a fat fuckin ass so...). Him and Cj are Very switch4switch to me. Service top rights
Zach LaVine.. not much 2 say except him and demar are switch4switch LOL. mainly due to me wanting deebo to get some d*ck once in a while please god he DO deserve it, but also cus zach just gives switch vibes tbh! But yeah.. deebo DESPERATELY needs just a CRUMB just a SMIDGEN pLEASE !! JUST GIVE IT!!GIVE IT TO HIM!! DAAAAAMN!! i've volunteered myself president of deebo getting d*ck
Pg/serge/kawhi said switch4switch4switch RIGHTS! The s in serges name don't JUST stand for serge!! Kawhi grabbing his ass?? Cmon now! Also pg CAN top!!(I think yall know that already tho & i'm the only one who pushes his bottom agenda but that's bcus i crave men's confidence getting metaphorically pegged BUTMOVINON) they Def switch4switch4switch IDK WHAT TO SAY! they love attention & giving attention! Kawhi can have a little **** ! You Cannot tell me that those that yearn longingly and painstakingly quiet don't dream of it
Jaylen brown: I will push him getting d*ck until i am LISTENED to!!!!!
Ja morant / jaren jackson jr: ja may be little.. but i BELIEVE in him!!! But yeah those two are Kinda switch4switcch but also just kinda Switches in general. Both are trying to figure out What they want/like. Experimenting & being okay with trying out new things! Friends who sometimes kiss huhuhohOOPS
Can we talk about the centers ? we should talk about the centers, they get NO love despite being thick & good! So yeah most if not all the centers are switches now, i decided lol
AND SOME MORE THAT I RAN OUT OF ROOM TO EXPLAIN ALL SO HERES JUST A GENERAL BLURB OF EM!
LeBron, Marcus Smart, giannis (BUT THE WORLD AINT READY 4 THIS ONE YET), draymond lol, klay, luka, lu dort, og, melo (lol), fox, shai gorgeous alexander, pj (sopping wet garbageman p*ssy can give **** too if it so desires!!), vanvleet, rudy gay, pascal, br*dley (he's still in the doghouse for me tho), Cole Anthony, kuzma, bam, trae, Jimmy, Danny Green (lol), khris middleton(SHUTUP IKNOW HES UGLY LET HIM HAVE D*CK), joel embiid (karma can only bite you in the ass So many times until it awakens something in you), jr Smith (i know he ain't in nba anymore but i just wanted to spread the good word <3),
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gayspock · 3 years
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I see you posting Odo and I'm curious: What do you think about Odo autism? I've heard a lot of autistic ppl relate to him and I was sceptical but now watching ds9 I'm kinda relating to him in that way soo. Julian and Odo autistic kings? (And honestly everyone else on ds9 as well but we'll leave that analysis for later 😳) sory for the long ask
i say autism bc im autistic and i like him and thats what happens to any fictional cunt i like 😁 but ehrm here's my lil strings of thoughts
BUT fr! no, no, no- i see it. granted, it still does feel like super early days for me to write anything truly indepth on that - not to mention, that kinda thing isnt my forte (i just talk to meself a lot innit<3 and those thoughts arent always so coherent or wonderfully put) but i think its like...
well, tip of the iceberg: he's an alien, yah? and quite specifically, one not amongst his kind - and therefore kind of an outsider, who doesn't have a blueprint on how he's supposed to be. and instead, he has to try and integrate into a predominantly humanoid society. and that setup really lends itself to, like, being analogous with autism narratively. LIKE... it's kind of a thing, isnt it, honestly, where aliens (and androids/ai too!) are often incidentially read as autistic. which sometimes that's- yknow. i'll drop a thought on that at the end. BUT, spock and data are the obvious examples - even if u strip back some of their more "stereotypical autistic mannerism" or whatever. bc this idea of, like... learning social standards, as odo would have had to, yeah.
but furthermore. he's quite lliterally being taught to redefine his existence, to present as humanoid. you can read that as a metaphor for masking, easy. and granted - i havent even finished this ep yet - but with how The Alternate elaborates a bit more on his past... i know a lot of autistic people (myself included) have had a traumatic experience with being forced to mask in certain ways. being pushed into it, because it's what's best for us as Dr Mora says - even though the "best" is just the expectation of how a person should act, which is totally arbitrary.
and with Dr Mora, also, you can extrapolate more parallels: with how he insists that Odo wasn't ready to be let out into society, that he wouldn't cope on his own, that he wasn't yet meeting this necessary standard, that he won't be accepted and accomodated for... and again lotsa ppl ik have that experience!
and it's not just that. i think... ok, going back to data and spock: again i say they're very "stereotypically autistic" in their mannerisms. yknow how it is. odo doesn't always read so overtly, but there's some habits he has? that i think also apply.
cant remember what episode it was. but it was, ehrm.... he was talking about lying and how he could tell ppl were doing it- and the way he analysed ppl was, like, by cataloguing very specific movements. not emotions or expressions. instead he methodically deconstructed it.
and... with justice. ok. personal fave there bc he does have a fixation on it? and idk- I GET THAT TOO, YAH? unsure if one track minded is the most appropriate term, bc its not like a lack of nuance even if it sometimes feels like tht to ppl... but that kinda thought process.
and just general social mannerisms. some detachment tht i also kinda vibe with. and when lwaxana came onto him and he LITERALLY had no clue what to even do, bc he was so outta his depth like - OKAY, SAME BESTIE? SAME, SAME, SAME... and again these lil bits at the end are all more, like. small lil things that i dont think are indicative full stop but i do find they RESONATE, yknow!!!!!!
SO YEAH LIKE. MY POINT IS. i see where ppl are coming from!! me too<3 i'd like a lil autstic reading of odo 😁
(BUT: as i did briefly say earlier... i am verastile with, like, autistic readings when it comes to inhuman characters. and the same applies to gender/sexuality, actually - although i find it easier to explain why with the latter as thats a lil different for sure. basically im v much of the omg yesss soooo true bestie when it comes to my own projections and most other ppl's but also there are . yknow . sticking points when it comes to using inhuman behaviour as a parallel for autism that makea me go 🤨 which i mention in PASSING bc idk if i can unpack that whole moving van of stuff by myself in a silly little aside but YOU KNOW. just feels like some comment on tht has to be said here since im going on a big long rambley anyways 😁
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qwertyfingers · 3 years
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WOO CONGRATS ON THE TEET YEET!!! also also, your poetry is beautiful. can i ask how you got started?
thank u!!! apologies for how long this answer got i’m waffling
so i feel like the start of my answer is kind of unhelpful because i really just. started writing? no one encouraged me or helped me or anything i really just ran with it on my own. a lot of how i write is really just how i think - the metaphors and similes and weird comparisons come very naturally to me. i have no idea if this is how other writers feel?? but i can’t give any advice on how to develop that beyond just. writing a lot.
i’ve find poetry to be really good emotional outlet, so a lot of what i write about is very repetitive in terms of themes - a lot of mentions of my dad and my stepdad, compulsions, teeth and while i don’t think any of what i wrote back then was very good or worth sharing it did give me a lot of practice in kind of. building a writing headspace?
i can’t really point to any specific inspirations early on because i really didn’t read very much. most of my favourite poems when i was younger were very structured and used a lot of rhyme - i really enjoyed war poetry when we studied it in high school for example - but i’ve always written pretty loosely, a lot of enjambment and playing around with formatting. i felt very drawn to mary oliver and richard siken when i discovered them in my mid-late teens (although i defintiely think that i understand them better rereading them now as an adult). 
i’ve written many different styles of poem, but i really only have two style of writing behaviour: either i write total stream-of-consciousness and don’t edit it until i’ve totally run out of things to say - pompeii, reimagined from this collection was written this way, as was FOIL - or i write very conscious of the formatting from the start - some examples of this are unholied, ajovy and my father thinks i should learn how to code. sometimes there’s a crossover like in inelegant fingers but typically its one or the other.
the city i live in now has a pretty big ~poetry scene~ with several regular live readings, even more random events throughout the year, and people regularly coming from out of town to read here. i hiiiiighly recommend going to readings if you live somewhere that you can get to them because it can expose you to a really wide range of writers, from first-timers to people with long publishing histories. being involved in that scene really taught me that there’s really no hierarchy of talent, that there are fantastic writers at every ~skill level~. and more than anything, that it’s possible to hate a poem or poet and still get a lot out of their work. i’ve made a lot of friends through going to and helping to host events too :) 
some recommendations for writing that i personally find useful:
spend a lot of time thinking about writing! when i’m out walking, even when i’m getting groceries, i’m spinning thoughts around my head about writing. i frequently think up what i think of as the ‘headline’ of a poem when i’m busy doing something else. write that shit down! keep a notebook or note on your phone and write them down. 
relatedly: absolutely cannibalise your old poems. if you’ve got a piece you don’t like any more, or that you could never finish but you’re attached to it, steal your favourite lines and work them into soemthing else, or challenge yourself to rewrite that poem in a new style or format
i keep a word doc full of lines and phrases i liked that i couldn’t fit into anything or that weren’t developed enough that i go back to and take things from. sometimes it’s just a handful of words - ‘ transposing neuroses onto neurons’ sat in that doc for months before i used it - and sometimes its entire lines or even stanzas. i also paste in here things i deleted from existing pieces during editing - sometimes you like something but just not in its current setting yknow
give yourself writing challenges! there are allllll kinds of things you can challenge yourself to do. find a photograph you like, and try to write the feeling it gives you, or write about the content of it, or from the perspective of the person taking the picture. pick an album or song and listen to it on repeat and write. go to different places and see if your writing feels different there. write a poem first thing in the morning or on your lunch break or write before you go to bed. write when you feel really happy, or scared, or angry or tired. write about someone you love, or someone you really hate. write using found-language - blackout poetry is one version, but you can also cut words out and collage them. a friend of mine wrote an amazing poem using ads on gumtree. i like to hit random page on wikipedia and challenge myself to write using the words on that page or about the content of it. i dont find timed challenges helpful but some people do. experiment! ask your friends for prompts! if you’ve friends who also write poetry, give eachother challenges and give eachother feedback
also, if you’ve got friends who write, absolutely ask for their input on a piee if you get stuck. my friend tasha frequently helps me with my grammar and punctuation to improve clarity and many more people have helped me with ideas, promts, challenges and encouragement :)
my personal favourite: write about fiction! a lot of my favourite of my own poems were about this. ;kodos in error - which desperately needs reworking but that i’m nevertheless very proud of - was written about the tarsus iv storyline in the original star trek. the only overt reference to it’s origin is the name kodos in the title - and it’s very much about myself too - but ultimately the entire time i wrote it i was thinking about that plot. i’ve also written about fortnite and the expanse  
play around with what you want from a poem. sometimes it’s emotional, sometimes it’s all about the sound and the feel of it in your mouth, sometimes it’s about imagery and giving the reader a clear picture of something. Sometimes you want to do something fun with the formatting, or make it short and snappy or long and lilting. Try not to get stuck in one type of poem. 
personally unless i’m writing for a specific thing - like a reading of to submit to a specific journal - i never think about a reader until i’ve finished at least the first draft. i’m not a professional; i share the things i like but ultimately i write for myself only. i don’t need to have an audience in mind for anything i write, and i think that helps me. not everyone finds this easier, but i do.
read poetry! read absolutely anything you can get your hands on - even when you don’t like something you can learn from it. poetry foundations 
talk about poetry! i didn’t go to school for creative writing and most of what i learned in HS went totally over my head, but i find talking about poetry i like with friends to be infinitely valuable. discussion will help you find things you didn’t see before, and understand why the things you do like resonate so much, how you can maybe replicate those in your own writing etc.
if you’ve never written before, it is literally never too late to start. just get going! don’t let your inner critic get in the way, just write and write and try not to worry too much about whether its ~good~ until you get more used to writing.  there are a thousnad different ways for a poem to be Good. if you write for emotional release and it works then its good. if you write to get other people to understand how you feel and that comes through, its good. if you just want to make it sound a certain way then its good. 
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