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#i know i like feminity and i Can be femenine
opinated-user · 11 months
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putting Aliana next to Sophie you see the way design skill differs between LO/MO and Ren, Ren is a strong character designer. Most of Lily’s more distinct designs come from more creative people and Mikaila tries her best but next to, say, Ren’s Sophie or Carousel’s Honey and Dolly, you can see that Mikaila needs work. Hell, Lily’s most distinct and interesting character design, Bonnie, came from Carousel, and that was Carousel by her own admission taking Lily’s design sensibility in mind.
tbf alaina only looks the way she does because LO wants her like that. when she's on her own, MO actually can do some decent work. her design of Esmerald and the henchwoman are both stricking, recognizable and full of personality. just by one look to them you know the henchwoman is a no nonsense strong type of character, while Esmerald is always flashy, flamboyant and prone to dramatics. the design of Marah was always a lot better than G, not just in term of her actually changing the color, but having a figure of her own and a distinctive body language that reflects her bubbly personality. is she a "big girl", a "heavyset", a "body plus representation" like LO keeps insisting that she is? no, but as a character, and considering the limitations of making her part of a species with it's own design pre-made, is not bad at all. i don't even like marah, but even i can admit that on the hand of a better author that isn't obssesed with justifying sexual harassment she could be legitimately a endearing character. alaina... has nothing like that going on for her. i talk a lot about how the alledged masculinity of rey!LO seem to be reduced to bad hygiene and repairing ships, but alaina is not any better either because what makes her femenine? just taking care of her hair and using make up that doesn't do anything to flatter her? is that the whole extent of her feminity? with alaina LO clearly cared a lot more about making her "pretty" than about reflecting any personality into her. that's not wrong either depending on what you use that character for, but it's a interesting design? it's a memorable one? it's one that will stand out? that's going to be a no.
likewise, Bonnie was originally a lot more insect like and monster looking than how she's right now and i think we all know who is the person responsible for taking away what made her interesting to turn her into just a walking meme.
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streets-in-paradise · 11 months
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Is it wrong that I like Hector and the Mycenean Princess together as well? That’s be a great AU if she married Hector.
OMG thank you for sending this. I love to talk about my fic, but almost never get asks allowing me to go deeper into it. I'm so excited i could start a long ramble, but i will try to avoid doing that. Mostly because i don't want to accidentally be a self spoiler hahaha.
The thing is that, you are absolutely right. The point of the dynamic i'm trying to build between them shows they could be a good fit for each other. Odysseus himself is trying to do the match and that man is not a fool. The most resourcefull man in Greece wouldn't take a step so huge if he wouldn't be sure of what he is doing.
People can look at them and go like " they are a power couple meant to rule the world", but they are just being themselves to each other. It's a paralelistic situation regarding the perceptions people have of Helen and Achilles, both judged the most perfect people on Greece and for so automatically expected ( and wrongfully suspected) of wanting each other.
And, in this case, they also happen to share a good amount of similarities.
Hector is the archetype of the perfect prince for his people and a flawless son for his father. He has so many expectatives to fullfill of people who has idealized him that he sometimes can feel like he is loosing himself on that. And she understands that, because she struggled with that her whole life. She is meant to be the femenine equivalent of what Hector represents but, unlike him, she started to resent it sooner.
For her there is no positive reward in doing that sacrifice. Hector does it and gets loved by his family and country, but she is obligated to do it in order to exist and not be suspected. As girl who was born in royal family with a long history of queens becoming failures, she has to be the perfect princess just to survive. She is stucked in the middle of what Helen and Clytemnestra represent. Greece will never get over the obsession with her aunt, so her good behavior will not necesarily make her iconic in the sense of being loved by everyone. In contrast, the memory of her mother is like a boogeyman. She has to appear flawless to not evoke that latent fear Clytemnestra inspires.
That's why her vision is a bit more pesimistic and cynical. She has come to a point where she knows nothing will ever be enough and incarnating the perfect princess becomes harder and harder for her.
When she acknowledges Hector as a man who carries the sensibilities of a woman, she refers to this. Hector is an icon and for that he has given himself to Troy. He does what he has to do, what he is told to do, at any given time because serving his country is his reason to be. In the POV of a girl who is used to rampant masculine impunity on the powerfull men arround her, Hector's sense of duty hits way closer with the feelings of a woman.
It's a fascinating dynamic because they see a bit of themselves in each other. From the start Hector has always treated her like if she was another greek dyplomat. He makes no differences. Talking with him she doesn't have to feel like a woman all the time, but not in a sense of denying herself of her feminity to appear a serious politician.
He doesn't care about the fact that she is a woman, in their interactions there is no trace of hierarchy. On his part, this comes from a position of genuine acknowledgement of her as another royal he is meeting who is in equal esteem for their host.
In the imaginary of Agamemnon Hector is what he thinks he could have got if his daughter would have been a son. She has competed against this lack for years and now she meets the guy and discovers an equal.
They do have an amazing, super interesting dynamic that I plan to keep exploring.The point is that they know that, if they would get married, it will be a win-win situation for everyone else but them. Troy would get peace, but Hector would be doomed to occupy the spot of Achilles. His father in law would want to drag him into his wars thinking he would be the obbedient hero poster boy of his empire that Achilles never would be.
Knowing they are perfect for each other in the eyes of everyone else pushes both to decide if they are going to follow duty or do what they want for themselves. I'm going to get deeper into this on the next chapter so, if you enjoy this dynamic, you will enjoy what's coming.
I don't want to get into any spoilers, so i will try to stop here, but i want to show i understand where you are coming from. Hector and her are a good match, they would do great things for their unified kingdom together … if they wanted each other. What isn't the case in this particular escenario, since both have already met other people they have fallen for. The tragedy they present is the world needing them together while that's not what they would choose for themselves.
What you said it's accurate, they have potential for an AU. In this particular fic i'm not going for the romantical route regarding them, but i see the potential your ask implies and it also feels to me like an interesting alternative.
In some ways, although the paralel is not a perfect analogy, it can be said the choice presented to her is the equivalent the princess has to the two options prophecy signaling the doom of Achilles.
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smokeowl-mx · 7 months
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So...I had an epiphany a couple weeks ago.
"Why does modern 'girlbosses' feel so...wrong?"
Here's my take on this issue. I believe Femenine power does not come from becoming more like a man, but by embrassing your femeninity and using it as a weapon. A lady, is not necessarily a damsel in distress. A lady is a strong woman who knows who she is and how her gifts as a woman may be of her own advantage when push comes to shove. A Girlboss, is a lady, who is not handed wins, but earns them by working hard and overcoming the obstacles that come her way.
For me, this is Girl Power. And as you can see, it isn't hard to understand.
A Girlboss doesn't deny her femininity, but embraces it. Characters from years ago demonstrate this perfectly, one of my favorites is Peggy Carter from the MCU.
Her demeanour is delicate, elegant, but strong and intimidating. Her words, more often than not, are her best weapon. Uses violence as a last resort, prefering to think ahead, strategizing instead of bashing in and punch anything that comes her way. Other characters have done this, earning their victories.
Nami from One Piece, Mulan from the animated movie, Merida from Brave, Rapunzel from Tangled, Caitlyn Kiramman from Arcane, the list goes on.
Feminity is not weakness, Masculinity is not strength.
Feminity is power by elegance and diplomacy. By controling the fire within us, since it can transform into a wild fire from just a spark. Feminity is handling a sword, not for glory, but for protection. Winning a war with a keen mind, instead of a batallion.
Hollywood needs to understand this.
A Woman can fight and triumph, not just by being a woman, but because she worked her ass off for that victory, like any other hero.
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menalez · 8 months
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Hii mena! Its okay if i rant for a bit? 😭 i peaked (more or less) recently and it feels so. isolating i guess. It has done wonders for my mental health and my self esteem though! The pressure of being femenine and wearing make up and shaving and trying to fit in etc is gone (at least the pressure i used to put on myself) so ive stopped feeling like shit whenever i had to conform to any of that. The problem is that the entirety of my circle of friends, whom i love dearly, are libfems and very alligned with gender ideology (we live in a VERY gendie positive place). So. While i obviously hang out and talk a lot with them Ive started to get weird looks from them whenever i wear smth that shows my unshaved legs or critique anything having to do with idk plastic surgery and diets (thats a topic that idk why comes up A LOT because some of them like to discuss which procedures would they like to get and how much they cost anddd i didnt realize why i felt so uneasy with that and how fucked up it is until i peaked i guess). Ive tried gently critiqueing it whenever it came up, because i honestly feel like my self esteem drops whenever they start to talk about it, but i only receive weird looks and eye rolls and whatevs. And like. I love them, i really do, and its really hard for me to make friends and im lucky to have them. But lately whenever i get back home from hanging with them i feel ugly and dirty and inadequate and like maybe i should either stop talking to them or start shaving and fitting in again. Idk. One of them texted me today and asked if im still a girl or im nonbinary. I just wish they would listen to me and my perspective but im really afraid that i will labeled as a terf because thats like instant harassment at the art college im going rn. This is really badly worded and im sorry but im kind of a mess :") i just wanted to know if you have any word of advice. Thanks in advance :(
congrats on reaching this point anon!! your friends sound .. awful honestly. but you should know their logic and what will get through to them better than me, especially since you held similar beliefs relatively recently. if it were me i would’ve answered that friend asking if ur nonbinary by first asking her why she asked that and why she thinks that. if she points out stuff like body hair or not wearing makeup or not being feminine, i’d say that those things don’t mean someone isn’t a woman & it’s enforcing gender roles to say they’re necessary for women to do. use their language and their logic when contradicting them. when criticising plastic surgery, think of what they care about and what would make them listen. if they’re anti-capitalism bring up how it’s a capitalist ploy. if they care about feminism, talk about how plastic surgery advertising involves fuelling the insecurities of women for profit. it depends on what their priorities are and u can bring up many things to appeal to what they care about. if they care about ur feelings u can also try to find a way to gently tell them that they’ve been making u feel insecure / bad about urself and it makes it hard for u to live ur life as u want to. hopefully they’d at the very least respect that, if not … perhaps finding new friends even if difficult is better for u
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daphnedauphinoise · 2 years
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hiii daphne, heres my ask:
so i want to be more femenine and mysterious, just really bring out that side of me, but as a person, i am definitely the loud, outgoing one in the room (and am prone to oversharing :/)
so do i stay the way i am or...i don't know like create a new person.
ive tried to be the quiet observer, but I just cant keep it up for long
love ur blog btw x
You can be a mix of both. I know that dark feminity has really taken off on tiktok and everyone is rushing to try it out but I don't believe there is a need for everyone to be femme fatales and sirens. I think the best people in like are those whose are a little bit of everything (simply because I am too indecisive to have a concrete personality).
You mentioned that you cannot keep the persona for too long and I don't there is a real need to either. I think only certain situations need that vibe and allure and for other situations a loud, friendly persona is far better. Personally I do all dark feminine stuff only for some situtions and I like a balance of qualities. I don't see a point in being a femme fatale in the library, do you get what I mean?
I think, work out what situations need you to what. I will add as well, being mysterious is about information repression rather than being quiet.
thank you so much (hugs)
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fakesandra · 1 year
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I have to admit that, when the transformation happened, I was deeply in denial. Even though my body and mind finally agreed that I was female, I had never accepted that I wasn't a man. I was seriously scared of how women were treated and I didn't want to be patronized and objectified.
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I would catch my male coworkers trying to look at my cleavage or my ass at any time. Was I ever so creepy as a guy?
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I talked to my boss about this. She said that I shouldn't be intimidated by them. She said us, meaning women, had to help each other, that she would take care of them. I tried to tell her that I wasn't really a woman but she said there was no point in denying it.
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She explained that the experimental formula from R&D that had affected me was actually meant to give people their desired form. She said that I should worry about accepting my own desires while she worried about office bullies. I didn't realize I had started smiling.
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I started dressing in underwear that highlighted my femenine features around the house. I was worried about my roommate at first, but I ended up not minding her. She also stared at my breasts, but I actually liked when she did it.
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She told me not be scared of showing of my body if that's what I wanted. She saw me nervous and decided that I needed a spa day to feel more comfortable in my body.
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After getting massaged and relaxed, we ended up together, alone, in a bathtub. I'm not going to tell you what happened because I'm a gentlem-, i mean, a lady, but we've been girlfriends since then.
My coworkers, on the other hand, weren't so lucky. I expected HR to enroll them on some sort of non-sexist behavior course, but my boss had something else in mind. She transferred the most problematic ones to R&D and nobody knows where they are now.
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Oddly enough, our new commercial representatives for the food branch appeared soon after that.
Now I'm happy because I know that I can embrace my feminity and stop feeling intimidated. I thank for this to the other women in my life.
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sashi-ya · 3 years
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hi love your writing! may i request sanji x afab dom reader with mdlb watersports and pegging? also feminization in modern au plz 💗 thank you so much
Hi darling! Of course! I used the term "Mommy" because it says "MDlb" but if it's wrong and you prefer another term please just tell me and I'll change it! ♥ Thank u for requesting! 💗~
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🔥NSFW ~ Sub!Sanji x Dom!Reader ~ Pink Dress
TW: Feminization (reader uses femenine terms for Sanji). Crossdressing. Watersports (desperation, omorashi. Sanji is the one who wets himself on reader's lap). Pegging (usage of strap on). Mommy dom, little boy! Sanji (this is a fucking sexual dynamic, Sanji is a grown ass adult). No physical descriptions for reader besides the term "mommy" as it was requested.
WC: 1.3K
♥ As always, if you don't like it, DNI. Thanks ♥
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“But look at you, you look so good with that dress!”
Sanji's legs, covered with thigh highs, tremble a little. That pink dress suits him really well. The lipstick shade you chose for him makes his blue eyes pop beautifully. And his blond locks, longer than ever, garnishing his shoulders… “I’m glad you decided to grow your hair, baby boy” you tell him.
Sanji can only nod, he can’t stop fidgeting in his place. His hands grab the skirt of that beautiful dress. His face shows a troubled expression.
“What’s wrong baby boy? Wanna tell mommy?”
“N-nothing, mommy” shy words that escape his mouth with a trembling voice.
You tilt your head and take your finger to your mouth. “Mmm I think my little boy here is hiding something from mommy. You know that’s not ok, right?” you tell him, biting your lip. The poor man fixes his eyes on the ground, a drop of sweat travels from his hairline into his temple. “Sanji, come here. Sit on mommy’s lap” you call him with a beckoning finger.
He nods and walks up to you, shyly. He sits on your lap and buries his face into the crook of your neck. “What’s wrong, babe?” you ask while brushing your fingers through his golden locks into his back. “N-nothing mommy…” he repeats, nuzzled on your shoulder and softly humping on your thighs while his hands press his crotch.
“Oh… I think I know what the problem with you might be” you say, smirking devilishly. Of course you do, you haven’t allowed the poor thing to go to the bathroom since you picked him up from work. And you plan on making him even desperate.
“Sanji, is it ok if I call you princess?” you ask. “Y-yes mommy, it’s… ok” he says, accepting something he actually requested before. “Good girl!” you tell him and begin to move your legs up and down. He moans and breathes faster. “Mommy…? I…” he mumbles, white knuckles from grabbing his crotch.
You pass your fingers under his chin. “Princess, look at mommy” you say and lift his head up. His eyes shine from sprouting tears. “Why are you crying? Are you thirsty? Here, drink your juice” you say and grab a pretty sippy cup from the table and give it to him. You enjoy how he widens his eyes; a red blush invades his cheeks and the tip of his ears.
Of course Sanji wouldn’t ever say no to his mommy and accepts the pink cup. He drinks its contents right away, completely aware this is just making him fuller, uncomfortable… but hard. Really hard. So hard it’s even more difficult for him to keep it in.
And the humping and your hand pressing on his lower belly doesn’t make it easier either. “Princess, what’s wrong? You have always loved mummy making you hump” you ask, a wicked question to make him get even more embarrassed. “It’s not that mummy, is it just that… I need…” he says, a crimson tone invades his whole countenance. “What? What is it?” you ask, pressing harder on his stomach. He jumps and stiffs. “Mommy… I… I need to go to the bathroom” he finally confesses.
“Do you? Oh… I didn’t know!” you lie, laughing and increasing your legs motions. “Can I go now?” he asks. You move his hair out of his face and look perversely into his desperate sight. “No… and don’t you dare have an accident here, because if you do mommy is going to punish you” you threaten him.
Sanji swallows, lips trembling. A sting of pain that not only hurts but also arouses him hit his insides. Bladder about to explode, there is not much time until the poor man gets punished. But Sanji wants the punishment, he internally really wants it.
Yet, the idea of him wetting himself makes him as ashamed as horny. And “Mommy, please… I can’t take it anymore” he begs, closing his eyes, clenching his jaw. “You are a big girl, Sanji. You can hold it” you tell him, laughing.
“Take your hands off there” you command. He shakes his head, if he ever stopped the pressure… “Take. Them. Off” you order.
“O-ok”.
Your hands travel from his lower belly towards his sex, under his dress. You notice how hard he is, little wet spots already scattered on the cloth of the panties he chose to wear with the dress. “Princess? Why are your panties so wet already?” you ask probing the wetness and stickiness of it with your fingertips. “I’m sorry mommy…” he says but stops. He gasps. You have unexpectedly pressed so violently and hard into his bladder that he couldn’t take it anymore.
Warm fluid not only wets his clothes, but your thighs too. Sanji takes his hands and covers his eyes. He can’t stop the stream. Drops falling into the ground forming a big puddle. You laugh at his cute, mortified expression. “I can’t stop it… I’m sorry” he says, tears falling from his eyes into his cheeks. But a throbbing dick that gets even harder as the wetness of your clothes increases.
“Princess… you had an accident! Look at the mess you’ve made! Bad girl, bad, bad girl!” you reprimand him. “Mommy, I’m really sorry. Please, I’m really sorry” he says, covering his face with milky soft hands. “What did I tell you?” you ask.
“Mommy… Will you punish me?”.
“I will. Stand up and walk up to the bed. I want you on all fours waiting for me” you command. His wet dress sticks to his lean and perfect body as he walks. You enjoy him being so diligent and submissive. Sanji is the perfect sub.
The strap-on that was resting on the table is now well secured around your hips. Sanji waits for you, on all fours. Still with his dress soaking wet. He looks so miserable but still moves his hips side to side, dancing excited for his punishment.
“Remember this is a punishment, little princess” you tell him while drizzling lube all over the phallic object that hangs from leather straps. But you can’t help and smile, he wants this. He wants this so much.
You kneel behind him, slowly sliding his wet lace panties off. Strong thighs and perfect bubble ass up and ready for you to worship it. He squirms at the cold string of slippery fluid that flows from the little bottle of lube into his entrance.
“So, may I fuck this pretty man’s pussy, princess?” you ask, spreading the liquid all around. Sanji moans with each touch and nods frenetically. “Yes, mommy! Please, please!”.
“Fine, relax for mommy…”
The tip of the dildo slowly pushed inside, softly dilating his rear entrance. The pressure Sanji experiences makes his dick drip with precum. He moans, a delicious melody to your ears as you enter little by little. Your fingers reach for the long golden locks and tangle around them. A better grip so you can fuck him harder.
And you are finally deep inside him, moving first slowly and then quicker. You spank his white porcelain glutes leaving red marks on them. Sanji squirms with each one.
He moves his hips back so you could go deeper and deeper inside him. “You want it real deep, don’t you? My pretty princess?” you ask while bending forward to reach for his member. Not only are you pegging him, but also jerking him off. And there is not much the poor man can take before succumbing to an explosive orgasm. The room filled by his “mommys” and moans. His sweet seed spilled all over the bed.
Sanji flops into the mattress, exhausted but drunk on the effects of the orgasm leaving his body. You let him rest, kissing his fair back.
“Good girl, Sanji. Let’s get you cleaned so we zcan keep playing… come on”
“Yes. Thank you, mommy…” ♥~
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papirouge · 2 years
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I agree so much with your opinions on feminity. It's super sad seeing Christians try to defend earthly definitions of feminity even when they go against what the Bible says.
I remember reading a long time ago that lipstick started first being used by prostitutes to let johns know that they were willing to give oral sex (thus separating themselves from those that didn't). Then make up artists started using it on actresses as they deemed it made their lips look more attractive. Then the average women started copying the actresses they saw on cinema or TV, until it became very popular. Like how is this even considered feminity, much less biblical in any way?! Something that came out to signal that prostitutes were willing to give blowjobs to johns?!!! Literally can't think of anything less feminine!!!
Even some things that can be considered bibilical feminity (like long hair) still can be perverted. For example, unfortunately many people consider specifically long straight hair to be femenine, but not natural long kinky hair. Because of the nature of kinky hair, this will be tighly coiled, thus it will be more "gravity defying" and more difficult for it to reach your chest, much less your waist. Thus why you have so many black women relaxing their hair or wearing long straight weaves, because they feel more "femenine" thus "prettier"... how is that not messed up??
And let's not even get on how some races are seen as more feminine than other. Like you have some dudes with yellow fever literally saying that they prefer asian women because they're more femenine, and when listing the physical attributes that they consider femenine, they usually say that they're shorter/petite, have less body hair, and have paler skin... like why is light skin even considered more feminine? I've even seen some black women (definitely self hating ones) state that they dye their hair blond (or wear blonde wigs) because it makes their skin look lighter. Which is super sad.
YOU, YOU REALLY GET IT!!!😳🤯
I think lipstick origin goes as far as back in the Egyptians when women put bold colors on their lips to mimick the lips of the female genitalia being aroused..... In any case we can agree that the origin of lipstick is obviously sexual and I'm baffled by hox defend of the 𝖗𝖊𝖙𝖚𝖗𝖓 𝖙𝖔 𝖙𝖗𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 will totally overlook the traditions linked to the women embracing it 🥴
Even some things that can be considered bibilical feminity (like long hair) still can be perverted. For example, unfortunately many people consider specifically long straight hair to be femenine, but not natural long kinky hair. Because of the nature of kinky hair, this will be tighly coiled, thus it will be more "gravity defying" and more difficult for it to reach your chest, much less your waist. Thus why you have so many black women relaxing their hair or wearing long straight weaves, because they feel more "femenine" thus "prettier"... how is that not messed up??
This part is soooooooo important and i think you for bringing this up! I already did before but I feel like I'm the only one in the Black tradfem scene to notice this issue? Black tradfem are 90% of the time with permed hair or wig and I'm like "what's trad in pasting plastic on your hair and/or damaging your hair with treatment fo appeal to a Western washed view of tradfeminity?🥴". This alienation is so real and palatable it's really messed up indeed.
And let's not even get on how some races are seen as more feminine than other. Like you have some dudes with yellow fever literally saying that they prefer asian women because they're more femenine, and when listing the physical attributes that they consider femenine, they usually say that they're shorter/petite, have less body hair, and have paler skin... like why is light skin even considered more feminine?
The physical attribute you cited aren't much of feminity but rather of actual children ("petite" "hairless" "obedient"). There's a reason Asian fetishism and pedophilia often go hand in hand. You really shouldn't take seriously the narrative of White incel/yellow fever fetishists to define feminity. MEN SHOULDN'T DEFINE FEMINITY because when they do, it always turns sour for women. You'll notice that men don't feel the urge to adhere to an image of "masculinity" framed by women - masculinity codes are defined by men, and men only. Which explain why men suffer less from fetishization from "ideal masculinity" compared to women.
I wouldn't say that pale skin is said as more feminine, but in many East Asian societies and Europe, it was associated to royalty/upper class (they didn't have to work and be exposed to sun burn) so this may explain why so many East Asian resort to skin bleaching and fear the sun to be seen as more "desirable" "high value". But East Asians really aren't pale like that, otherwise they wouldn't resort to skin bleach in the first place lol
The blonde hair making Black skin lighter(??) argument is so weird. If anything, it makes it darker in contrast to the yellow hair? Anyway, blonde hair will NEVER look good on dark skin so it comes off like a big cope imo lmao
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androgynousblackbox · 3 years
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I undersand where videos essays about how media demonizes hyperfeminity are coming from and why there is this need to tell girls that is okay to be femenine, that they aren’t shallow and vapid and evil for having an interest on make up, fashion and other stuff while aknowledging the importance of letting girls just be themselves. All of that is fine, good and amazing, but I would also like some recognition about how that demonization of feminity doesn’t translate at all into a embracing of female masculinity either. Like, growing up as an afab person that didn’t know shit about how non cisness was a thing but still was very much aware never fitted the mold of a “girl”, I always saw all the characters that vaguely reminded me to myself being treated as just phase, as they being insecure, as they having a flaw that they had to overcome by learning to “love themselves” and how that “love themselves” always was about turning conventionally femenine. Like, yeah, I eventually realized that I was never a girl in the first place, but seeing masculine female character just thriving on their masculinity without having to change would have been nice too, you know? Then maybe I wouldn’t had the impression that I was failing so hard at something that would make worthwhile for anyone. I never hear anyone talking about how every masculine female character we got always had to go through this “beautification” process in which the entire concept of beauty relies on feminity, in how it sends the message across that masculinity just look inherently ugly on afab people and a sign of immaturity to overcome. Or how the very few afab character that are allowed to stay as masculine or at least reject conventional feminity are always villains or bullies that the hero (a gender conforming one) has to defeat. I don’t know, I just would like to see more of that energy about how women can be anything they like directed at they also rejecting feminity on their own terms without being seen as uglier or worse for it.
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lilisouless · 3 years
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The grishaverse´s best female relationship and how gender roles play a part on them.
Most group dynamics with only two girls, normaly have a tomboy and a girly girl/woman in order to set up how they are diferent. There is nothing wrong with this dynamics if done well (like anything else in writting) , but is notable that this is using gender roles as defining the characters (she is girly, she diferenciates from her because she is not) and setting them as oposites, rarely there is a third girl since this dynamic is mostly used as "there is only two type of women" narrative.
In the case of Six of Crows, the desition of having only two girls is probably not made with this distinction in mind: the author wanted three romantic storylines with six characters , but since she also wanted one of them to be a same sex couple, then the female-male radio was not going to be equal, and in this case she decided to make a male mayority (the oposite would happen later in the Nikolai Duology)
Let´s see it for a second how this compared with the original grisha trilogy (yes, me again praising Bardugo by critizing Bardugo)
Leigh doesn't write a lot of tomboy characters, the only one i can think is Tammar (yes, Hanne exist but i am not sure if i should be talking about them as "girl" with all that obvious trans coding) that could also be a factor. So, there are not a lot of girly girl/tomboy comparissions,but this doesn't mean gender roles doesn't make an impact in female relationships
There are a few ,important woman/woman dynamics: Genya and Alina is a dynamic that is still in the dark for me, i haven't finished S&S not read R&R , so i would rather keep them out of this, but as long as i got, they are not an equal relationship and neither are Tammar/Alina since most of the dialog is bringing Alina up, Tammar only had a couple of lines about herself .The other is Zoya and Alina and is what normally happens when you put two femenine women together: The virgin/whore complex
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Alina is the inocent ,virginal "just like you" girl, but at the same time is "not like other girls" and Zoya is presented as the bitch, the sexually active, those other girls Alina can't stand.
Alina deep inside, is just as bitchy as Zoya , the only diference being that Zoya is more aware of this and actually voices it while Alina keeps it to herself.
Leigh eventually would realize the potential in Zoya, or maybe she planned it since early but managed to save Zoya and only the first book is where she is unlikeable and the designated target so the viewer could spill her internalized misoginy without feeling guilty. But even if Zoya gets most fleshed out in the second book (when by accident, is shown how she is actually more put together than Alina) they are still against each other: because Zoya becomes phisically involved with Mal , she is placed as the wrong choice while Alina is the right one. Compare it with the opposition of Mal/Nikolai where Nikolai is possed as a tempting rebound (yes, he is too good to be the rebound but that´s how the book makes him to be) and a good, even better option as Mal, but Zoya is made to be Mal´s terrible mistake. Yes, Alina is the narrator therefore we see this since her perspective but the double standard is still there. (see Anne with an E for an example where this doesn't happens as Gilbert is not shown in the wrong for dating Winifred instead of Anne)
Zoya and Alina´s conflict only gets resolved when Zoya is the one who becomes nicer and (like every other woman on this series) beggins to adore the floor Alina steps on.
In an ironic note, Leigh would eventually realize she liked Zoya better ,she is a character that was rescued but the point here is: this is not a mutual relationship, Zoya is the one that must prove she is a better person that she let on and Zoya is the one that has to realize Alina is amazing.
I could go on for a lot, but you people don't have the whole day, the point is this: Not all female relationships have to be compelling , rivaldry exist, BUT when gender roles play into said relationship you have to be carefull ,because you, accidentaly or not, may be saying that there is one type of woman superior to another one. Zoya/Alina is NOT the worst dynamic, in fact is almost almost out of this problem, but almost is not enought. In this case,Alina=the inocent and virginal girl is placed as superior as Zoya=the sexualy active girl,despite the author´s better eforts not to.
Now : Six of Crows
Before getting to the relationship you actually came to see, i´ll point out that Bardugo DID wrote a relationship based on contrast femenine vs Masculine traits, but she did it with two guys,just to note the author is no stranger to this dictonomy
Now, the point of this: instead of being girly girl and Tomboy , both Inej and Nina are presented as femenine.
So, you are probably right now yelling for what i promised in the title , so now i´ll get back to Inej and Nina, unfortunately i am better talking about things i don't like and the ones i do , so this could be disapointingly short:
Reminder,they are both femenine in very very diferent ways.
-Inej is more quiet, wise ,graceful,and overall softer
-Nina is more loud, sexually open,charming, childish and overall more extroverted
They have some traits that can be oposite ,yet still quite femenine. And the most important part: none of them is presented as superior to the other.
Like i said, not ALL female relationships must be perfect and sweet, conflict is interesting but in this case there wouldn't make sense for them to be in conflict. Their beliefs and goals clashes with Kaz and Matthias , not with each other. And of course they don't fight about boys because there is absolutely no need for that,not fight for dominance.
Unlike the Zoya and Alina example above , Nina is not somehow seen as inferior than Inej.Sure Nina is the flirty one that uses her sex appeal to her advantage and Inej is (with very good reason) adverse to sex. Inej doesn't look down at Nina, she encourages to be herself unshamelessly , since she knows what is like to be stripped from will and is happy to see how free spirited her friend is, also can't tolerate Matthias calling her "too much" . Nina is someone with a very diferent temperament from her and admires her,without actually trying to be like her.
And in return, Nina doesn't look Alina down for being diferent for her, for her more calm character, she actually shows to be grateful to having Inej around with her sweet but blunt honesty.In fact, with all Nina´s good self steem, she still feels that Inej "saved her" and her final speech makes you think Nina thinls she much say thank you to Inej for "tolerate her" even if Inej actually feels just as grateful for having her.
The way they express their feminity not only compliment each other, this is something they both consider "saved her life" Nina for having someone to listen to her and Inej for having someone to light her up.
As a bonus,in comparission to , to say ,Alina with Genya or Tammar, none of them is reduced to be the other girl´s best friend. They both have their storylines and goals, can exist without each other, they just don't want to.
With dynamics like Inej and Nina is shown that there are more than one way to handle gender expressions, and this doesn't mean one personality traits are better than the other, they are just diferent people.
Now, let´s adress when the reader is probably thinking: there are two female vs female confrontations in the book.
Tante Heleen is femenine as well, she wears expensive jewellry , clothing and make up. But Heleen´s apareance is more reminicent of a privileged rich woman , and she harms and abuses girls for a living and her looks are not to punish her for being femenine, but for gaining all those expensive items by the horrible things she does to other women, in contrast, Inej wants money to help and liberate sex slaves.
Then there is Dunyasha, who has a more polished look than Inej, with white and gold elegant clothing. As Inej´s speech is worth something, i don't have to say a lot to remind people this was a privileged vs opressed conflict and gender traits doesn't really play on that much.
In conclussion, Nina and Inej´s relationship is aspirational, it feels real because there is a mutual understanding and it helps expand the traditional writing of female dynamics and how the gender roles play into it in an actually positive way.
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When did you realize you were non binary and how did it change your life?
Story time!
So when I was a little kid I didn't feel there was anything different with me until my grandma started to point out that my interests weren't for me. That's the moment when I started to notice the binarism in our society. I wasn't allowed to play certain games, or listen to certain music, because of my genitals? How fucked up is that? Truly.
Then teen years came, and all my classmates started to talk about the changes in their bodies, and how they were becoming more adults and matures. And then there was me, who was DREADING THE WHOLE Thing. I didn't want those changes, I didn't take pride on any of those. I dealt with a bunch of years of disassociation because of this (as in "the person im seeing in the mirror is not me, that's not my body, that's not my face).
But then at 16 I discovered feminism and I was like "oh good, I can be a woman on my own terms, I don't need to fill any expectations, because this movement is about liberation!" but surprise! I still feel weird and strange, BECAUSE THE WOMAN PART WAS NEVER HERE *points at themselves*
I gave up for a while because I thought "hey, the only options are man or woman, so I guess I'm stuck being a woman, I don't have a choice", so I focused on working on my self esteem, on liking myself even if I wasn't feeling like myself. Until I discovered social media, I discovered forums with a couple of people like me, discovered this website full of new info I thought it didn't existed. And after years of discovering new videos of people back in the 80s describing my experience, and indigenous people talking about how their gender identities where erased by colonialism, after years of trying different labels and gender expressions and pronouns, I came to conclusion that I'm in fact an agender person.
And that's when EVERYTHING FINALLY FUCKING FITS. It's like, imagine if life gave you puzzle pieces and you have to put them together, but the thing is I don't have all the pieces, and when I asked myself for the first time "is it possible that you're non binary?" life was like "oh! I forgot! There's a bag of puzzle pieces I didn't give you, my bad!"
I feel like I'm suppose to feel: like a whole, complete, very happy person comfortable with myself.
I still haven't seen any historical reference about my gender identity (most indigenous people talk about other genders as being "a mix between masculine and femenine"), but I'm not afraid anymore. I know I'm not faking this, this is not how I feel, this is who I am.
(whew, sorry about the long answer. I hope this help someone on their journey 🖤💛💜)
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tw: transphobia😭 hi I'm a radfem cisgirl (I hate using "cis" and "trans" words but here I need to for the sake of the story) I've got a friend from ny highschool (we're in college now) who's also a radfem and is always sharing great feminist stuff. Yesterday, she shared the comment of a girl saying "this fight for abortion (it is illegal in my country) is for men/people with vaginas too!" and mocked it. I preferred not to make up any opinions about her because of one single post. But today, she shared a picture of Miss Spain 2019 (a trans girl) who talked about her experience with sexism, and mocked her too. This time, it was obvious to me she was just being transphobic trash. She received lots of backlash and deleted the post, but instead made a new post complaining about people caring about transphobia but not about sexism (a very stupid post, if you ask me). This time, along with some comments from other girls respectfully telling her to stop being cruel and mocking towards trans women, she received a lot of support from other TERFS (although these TERFS said they hate being called TERFS just for being honest and brave lmmfao). They said that transwomen don't belong in radfem because they just suffer from discrimination, not oppression, and listed some reasons why: according to them, trans girls don't suffer: obstetrician violence, forced pregnancy, feminicide, child marriage, genital femenine ablation, glass ceiling barriers, being implanted "maternal sense" while kids, getting their ears perfored while babies, among other stuff, and that differentiate ciswomen biological reality from trans women biological reality isn't transphobia. Other girls said they knew transwomen who were mean to them, using derogatory terms to refer to ciswomen and they were mean and cruel, using this argument to generalize about all transwomen smh.
I'm just so stoned that people could be so cruel to transwomen and set them aside from the feminist fight when they suffer from already being excluded from so many things. It sickens me that some people don't belive trans people exist and treat them that bad, specially trans girls. I wish I could debunk the info this TERFS are spreading because it's so dangerous and enables transphobics to keep harming transpeople and I find that unbearable, but I am not as informed as I should be to debute all their lies at once. Could you help me?
So starting with the question of transwomen in radfem spaces, I don’t think many (if any) transwomen would say that they experience the exact same type of discrimination that cis women do.  There’s often this idea that “trans people don’t believe in biology”, but that’s a bad faith argument.  Trans people understand biology very well, often more than their cis counterparts do, because it’s such a big part of their identity.
Yes, transwomen don’t suffer obstetrician violence, forced pregnancy, child marriage, genital feminine ablation, etc. (I can’t even find any articles on the ear thing).  They do experience femicide, at way higher rates that cis women do. Transwomen are women, and they’re discriminated against in their own way; sometimes that’s because they’re women, and sometimes that’s because they’re trans.  Transwomen are largely supportive of fighting with cis women to rid the world of discrimination for all women, cis and trans alike.  
By contrast, TERFs seem to think that because transwomen sometimes suffer a different type of discrimination than cis women, they can’t be “real women”.  But that argument makes no sense to me.  The vast majority of affluent, white, straight, cis women will never suffer the violence that is apparently so central to the cis female experience.  They’re extremely unlikely to experience femicide, child marriage, genital mutilation... and yet they can acknowledge that those issues are feminist issues, even though they’re not universal to all women.  Why shouldn’t the discrimination that transwomen face also fall under that umbrella?  And if they can accept that women who have had hysterectomies, or women who have chromosomal differences, or women who are intersex, or women who present butch are all women, why shouldn’t transwomen also fall under the umbrella of womanhood?
Further, is that really all that womanhood is to TERFs?  Experiencing the trauma and discrimination that so often accompanies being a cis women?  I don’t think inclusion to a group should be predicated on the amount that one has suffered or how many “oppression points” they’ve amassed. And I don’t think being a woman should be predicated solely on biology, especially given that we never really know what kind of biology a person has just by looking at them.  What “being a woman” is is a metaphysical question that derails the discussion of trans feminism, and it’s a question that I don’t think a lot of TERFs actually have a good answer to.  It’s just an easy way to put the burden of proof on trans people and trans allies and waste our time (but if you’re interested, I do have an opinion on this. I just think it’s best saved for a different time).
In terms of trans people being oppressed, there’s all sorts of data to suggest that trans oppression is very real.  In the US, trans people were banned from serving in the military under the Trump administration, a decision that was only overturned a few days ago, and the Trump administration also reversed the Obama- era Title VII policy that protected trans employees from discrimination.  Trans people are overwhelmingly lacking legal protections- there are no federal non-discrimination laws that include gender identity, and in some states, debates over limiting the rights of trans people to use public bathrooms are ongoing.  
About 57% of trans people faced some type of rejection from their family upon coming out.  Around 29% of trans people live in poverty (compared to 11% in the general population and about 22% in the lesbian and gay populations), and that number is higher for trans people who are Black (39%), Latinx (48%), or Indigenous (35%).  27% of trans people have been fired, not hired, or denied a promotion due to their trans identity.  90% of trans people report facing discrimination in their own jobs.  Trans people face double the rate of unemployment that cis people do (about 14%) and about 44% are underemployed. This is despite the fact that a reported 71% of trans people have some level of post-secondary education- actually higher than the general population, which is about 61%.  It’s often cited that women earn 77 cents on the dollar compared to men, but that statistic doesn’t even exist for trans women.
54% of trans people have experienced intimate partner violence (compared to about 24.3% of cis women), 47% of trans people have been sexually assaulted (compared to about 18% of cis women), and about 10% are physically assaulted in a given year. 
About 22% of trans people and 32% of trans people of color in the US have no health insurance (compared to about 11% of cis women), and 55% of trans people who do have insurance report being denied coverage for at least one gender affirming surgery.  29% of trans adults have been refused healthcare by a doctor or provider because of their gender identity.  In one study, 50% of trans people said that they had to teach their medical providers about trans care.  Trans people are four times as likely than the average population to be infected by HIV.  41% have attempted suicide at one point in their lives, compared to 1.6% of the general population.  
20% of trans people have been evicted or denied housing due to their gender identity, and trans people are four times more likely than cis people to be homeless.  Only 1/5 of trans people report that they have been able to update all of their identification documents, and 41% have a driver’s license that does not match their gender identity.  22% of trans people report that they have been denied equal treatment by a government agency or official, 29% reported police harassment, and 12% reported having been denied equal treatment or harassed by judges or court officials.
75% of transgender students feel unsafe at school because of their gender expression, 60% are forced to use a bathroom or locker room that does not match their gender, 50% were unable to use the name and pronouns that match their gender, and 70% of trans students say that they’ve avoided bathrooms because they feel unsafe.  78% of trans students report being harassed or assaulted at school.
And these are all statistics that focus on trans people at large.  The discrimination is worse for transwomen and especially transwomen of color.  All of that certainly sounds like systemic oppression to me.
Every person who chooses to be a TERF perpetuates this discrimination.  It’s just bigotry towards trans people, plain and simple.  And for what?  A reactionary fear that all transwomen are secretly sexual predators and all transmen are confused girls who don’t know better?  Unfortunately, men can be sexual predators just fine without having to jump through the convoluted hoops trans people go through to be recognized as their true gender identity, and transwomen are way more likely to be sexually assaulted than they are to be sexual predators.  There are no reported cases at all that transwomen are dressing up as men to assault women in bathrooms.  There aren’t even statistics on how frequently trans people are sexual predators. And transmen are just as capable of making informed, thoughtful decisions as cis women.  
TERFs shouldn’t be pitting themselves against trans people.  There’s just nothing to be gained from doing that.  They should be working alongside trans people to fight the patriarchy and the discrimination that cis and trans women both face, regardless of what that discrimination entails.
Last thought.  Not to be a stan or anything but if you’re interested in learning more about these issues, Contrapoints has a number of really good videos on the topic of TERFs (including one that just released today!). They delve a bit deeper into the actual questions that TERFs often bring up and provide some nuanced answers.
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You know? The idea that apparently being against these two sisters supporting each other against their brother is a feminist crime is a horrible way of disregarding concerns over how In Character this narrative route is. We're not talking about a situation where the older sister is right but being judged because she is a woman and the older brother is wrong but being believed correct because he is a man. If they both have ultimately different manners of facing the issue and that's up to discussion then fine whatever, but it's entirely wrong to imply that picking Arya supporting a man over a woman on this issue makes us on the wrong side of feminism.
Power structures where very clearly show in asoiaf/got (but more in asoiaf) and there were benefits in being acommodating and supportive to the patriarchal structure, and in this sense Arya and Jon bonding over their shared status as outsiders who suffered under this structure early one was super important. If their sister later grew up to also find that she was trapped inside this power hierarchy all along then cool too and kudos on the growing up, but let us aknowledge that another bond was here first, and a bond was much intensified by many more years of feeling left out. It is not anti feminist to think this bond would sway Arya to support her brother's stance on the subject much more than others, it is an entirely justified assumption based on the caracter: Jon and Arya have "shared a front" so to speak before (don't tell you know who about Needle!), Jon's point is entirely reasonable and Arya is not you know stupid (I'm not even a D*ny fan and I like the North Independence with King Bran, but c'mon Jon has to defend the North from the WW and this woman has two dragons and a huge army and she's a fucking nice person), Arya has history of sharing Jon's manner of judgement (you know how she particulary repeated Jon's opinion on Joffrey long before the Trident showed Joff true colours?) and a history of defending Jon's status as deserving respect.
Like listen we can debate around circles whether the Targaryen ruling the North is good or not (though again, she has dragons and the Long Night is coming so like... Whatever) but to imply that Arya picking to side with someone who: is her kin and her king, bonded early in life with her from what the result that being alienated from a patriarchal society felt like, supported her desire of refusing traditional femenine persuits (against someone who bullied her and judged her regarding this) and someone whose morals and judgement she has always respecting is not anti feminist its is thinking the character would (and SHOULD in a WEL WRITTEN narrative) act IN CHARACTER.
Also, don't get me started on how easy it seems to accuse this preference as being anti feminist, yet blaming D*ny and Arya for things they haven't done or villifying them for justifiable acts and reducing them to one dimension is okay and feminist?
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Something really freaky happened 2 days ago. Please read on
When i was walking to my abuelas house this guy rode up on his bicycle and he looked like he might not be from here so i thought he was asking for directions. So i took my headphones out and he asks me if im a student. Again, thinking he was asking for directions to the university i told him i am, but not from there. He asks if im an exchange student. I say no, I study in a different city.
Then he asks me if i go out partying at night. I was like "uh i guess" already my brain was like nope. But it gets weirder. He starts telling me about this "new trend" called "mourbing" that everyone has supposedly heard of (even though neither i nor anyone i know has) which consists of girls getting payed to go to a park at night so men can simply "look at them." Yeah.
He was weirdly vague about the details, and was clearly expertly selling it to me in a way that made whatever it was sound like some kind of exciting forbidden sensual experience that would change my life. He kept saying that if i was as brave and alternative and liberated as i looked i should take a chance and see if i liked it, because my "femenine instinct" was surely telling me i could trust him. According to him i would be perfectly safe, wouldnt be touched and would be clothed and respected etc. And if i was truly a liberated woman i should enjoy my body and enjoy showing it off.
I was so like, completely baffled by all of this tripe that i entertained the conversation with him for a while, it was broad daylight on a busy street so i wasnt in any danger and he was just an absolute fuckwit. i was even explaining more "complex" feminist arguments about like objectification and the beauty industry etc to him mostly for my own amusement because i knew his sick man brain wouldnt comprehend it at all. He also told me that "women are art" and that "girls like me" "trick" men by wearing baggy clothes and that we're really bombshells underneath. Like it was so awful and sleazy that it was almost funny? He was so insistent that he was soooo trustworthy while simultaneously blatantly being the creepiest most red flaggy dude ive ever come across
But what was really concerning is he mentioned several times that a lot of girls who were exchange students were into it. Aka girls who are alone in a foreign country, dont know anyone and probably want to make friends. Im not sure what i ran into that day but it seems like it could have been something much deeper and fucked up to be honest. Btw this is another example of how liberal feminism can be easily warped to manipulate women and hurt them.
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Feminist Protests [Español]
Hello everyone. I don't know how you feel about the feminists' protests/movements where vandalism is done, but everyone [femenine] that say they do not represent you... I hope you reconsider.
On September 15th, 2020, a protest took place during the afternoon - late afternoon in my city, an "Antigrito". What do I mean by this? Historically, the night of September 15th, 1810, Miguel Hidalgo gave the Cry/Shout of Independence, which was the sign for the people to rise in arms against the Spanish government; this is why every year the president of the Republic commemorates the independence by repeating the shout, and all Mexicans respond to it all over the country.
However, Mexico is in an abysmal situation; we have femicides everywhere, missing women, women from ALL ages being raped even in their own homes (this went up during quarantine), many women do not wish to celebrate a country that kills them and doesn't punish the guilty.
During the "Antigrito" protest, this being in Tijuana, Baja California [Norte], CECUT's stairs and base of the dome where graffitied, this being the city's cultural center, as well as one of its most representative building. In the protest, other than demand the search of all those sisters that we are missing, reproach is made towards the country that lets us go missing, the country that allows a rapist walk after 3 (most likely less) years of jail and lets them go unregistered, the country that finds mutilated girls (not-older-than-12-years-old girls) and asks: where was the mother? Instead of: where is the culprit?
In many ways, I love Mexico. It's my country, where I grew up, where I learned that the beach is beautiful and so is the desert, where I learned that food is not an act of servitude but one of love, where I understood that toys are great but nothing compares to playing soccer with my family and using whatever we find as gates. However, I can recognize the fact that it also taught me that anything related to my feminity was a weakness, that I had to use shorts under my skirt because boys could lift them (the same way that underpants, because boys would pull them down), that anyone who wouldn't let themselves be insulted was "a girl" referring to our "delicacy" and "sensibility".
My country taught me to not be outside of my home after dark; to report to my parents every 2-3 hours to let them know I'm okay; to never sit at the back of the bus (if I can avoid it, better); to, under no circumstance, get close to a man in the street even if he is asking for help, just as always having my pepper spray on hand. I learned that I shouldn't wear earphones/headphones is I am not totally and absolutely sure that I can trust those around me; I learned to never go to anyone's house if I'm not sure there will be more women than men; I learned to avoid certain hairstyles and clothes if I plan of going outside of my home.
All my life I have learned to doubt of and defend myself from men and their intentions, even when my family is so much less male chauvinist/sexist/patriarchal than most, even when my parents (and later, myself) did everything possible to establish me within places it would not be necessary.
Patriarchy is part of the culture, and the only way to end it is through education. Nevertheless, we can't give ourselves the luxury of waiting for the newer generations to be educated with this mentality to come, for it will be another 10-15 years, and it will not happen if the government doesn't support it if the government does not show our lives matter as much as their own.
Through these protests, we ensure we are being heard and, even then, we are criticized for graffiti walls. We are told "those are not the ways, "you can't demand respect if you don't give it", well, you are going to have to forgive me, but I believe this is exactly the way. A building, a painting, a sculpture, will never be more valuable than human life.
To all of the women that are fighting for my rights and my safety, thank you. I am represented by all of them, every graffiti on the walls, every time a trashcan is set aflame, every time they use the Mexican flag with purple instead of red, all those acts represent me, because if one day I go missing, the will shout my name, they will make banners with my face on them, they will cry for my return. They will look for me ad won’t rest until I come home, no matter the conditions, because my family deserves peace of mind, and because we are sisters.
And I hope that you are okay, but be assured that if one day you, my sisters from another mother, are missing, they too will shout your name, just like I will.
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Elsa Oviedo, “Bandera de la Revolución, Mexicana”, 2020 <“Revolution Flag, Mexican”>
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