#how do I tag this without angering antis

[ask-fgod]

Hello from @mcnotok! My name is Snap, and my answers will be tagged as "mod snap". I am an avid fgod Enjoyer™ :]]. I mostly enjoy Nightmare and Error, but every character in this universe is so fascinating to me.

and im @my-names-kris! which my name is uh. kris, obviously. answers from me will be tagged as "mod kris". i usually like blueberror in most utmv aus, but theres something about ink in this one that grabbed me by a stranglehold. also an avid fgod enjoyer, to the point where it actually got me to start writing for the first time ever!

RULES:

DONT SPAM

NO RP

NO ASKING CHARACTERS NOT LISTED HERE

DONT BE A JERK TO THE MODS

PHYSICAL CONTACT WITH THE CHARACTERS IS VERY MUCH IMPOSSIBLE, QUIT ASKING (BUT YOU CAN SEND OBJECTS)

Story:

The backstory of this blog takes place after Error jumps into the void after he was attacked. Fate, annoyed but viewing him as replaceable, grabs a Swap!Sans, Blue, from his multiverse into the Anti-Void, and in a rushed manner, makes him into an error and the new God of Destruction. Destiny, angered by this and knowing Error would be too, tells him about what had happened to Blue, now known as Blueberror. Wanting him not to be alone, he returns, along with his newly adopted children, Void and Null that insisted to go with him.

Characters:

Error:

The first God of Destruction, jumped into the void wishing for death, and was sent to another multiverse instead with Destiny's help. Returned upon learning that Blueberror was made the next God of Destruction in his place, bringing two children named Void and Null with. Arguably the most powerful of the three gods, holding the ability to make a universe crumble with his very step. Despite this, he is normally a chill (and rather quiet) guy when you haven't done anything to anger him. It takes a lot to anger him, anyways.

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Nightmare:

Nightmare is so detached from his past life that he considers himself a completely different person, but he is not. He hates all reminders of his detached past before the corruption, as they make him feel complicated feelings and thoughts he'd rather do without. Doesn't view Dream as a brother, but a part of him that he hates feels as if that feeling should be there. Due to the multiverse oversaturated in negativity, he has extreme mood swings. Took in the murder-time trio in an attempt to spread SOME positivity. It didn't do much, but he ended up keeping them anyways. (my mans is soft)

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Dream:

Dream is extremely loyal to Ink to a fault, never believing the truth of the multiverse's oversaturation, even when Blueberror starts destroying. Due to this, he neglects his duties of spreading positivity, as that would disrupt Ink's creations... even if he suffers for it. Ink's right-hand man ruling over the Star Council. Is used as a mascot for the "happiness" that Ink can spread. Has only ever been used as a beacon for positivity, so when someone genuinely treats him as a friend, he gets very attached.

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Ink:

The God of Creation, Ink, is the only god out of the three that was unable to hear Fate. Despite this, after hundreds of years go by, he figures out the instability of the multiverse he has caused. Knowing this, but having formed a council and an image of himself along with it, he still insists that he has been doing nothing wrong. Ink is extremely strict about his creations not being disrupted by any outside source, even when the scales of emotion are tipped in negativity's favor. Holds a hatred for Nightmare for taking the murder-time trio in. Hates Error and now, Blueberror, as well for their insistence that he is the one in the wrong. Very close with Dream, not really ever realizing how he's hurting his friend.

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Blueberror:

Blueberror was a well-liked Swap!Sans (teetering on the edge of being a swapfell!sans) before he was snatched by Fate. It was to the point where he was even asked by Dream and Ink to join them. But being a neutral party, he refused. Before he was snatched, he sometimes travelled the multiverse, helping out anybody, no matter which side they were on. After Fate snatched him, he became the second God of Destruction. He is significantly less merciful than his predecessor, Error. Still helps out people in other universes, but less often due to his new duties.

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If you’re asking “what is fgod?” Go here!:

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If you want to read the blogs posts in chronological order, click here!

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If you want to see everyone's heights, go here!

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Discord Server link below!

#ref sheets #fgod #forced god of destruction #ink sans #ink!sans #dream sans #dream!sans #error sans #error!sans #nightmare sans #nightmare!sans #fgod ink #fgod!ink #fgod dream #fgod!dream #fgod nightmare #fgod!nightmare #fgod error #fgod!error #blueberror sans #blueberror!sans #fgod blueberror #fgod!blueberror #utmv #undertale au

[sophieinwonderland]

Wishing for anti-endos to loose all their friends and spaces and to be ostracized does not help pro-endos. It makes anti-endos even more set in their beliefs. It makes people who are on the fence go "yikes, I guess the anti-endos are right". I'm firmly pro-endo and your recent post makes me want to take some distance. This isn't how we gain allies.

I know, these people suck. I know, it hurts to constantly be excluded and hated for the way our brains work or the reason why they work that way. I know, many anti-endos are too far gone and aren't people that you or I can reason with unless they decide to unpack their shitty beliefs.

But posts threatening them is not the way to go. They already see us as the enemy. We don't need to add fuel to the fire. Let's make sure people who are on the fence or who don't know much about non-traumagenic systems see us acting in ways that make them want to listen to our side instead of the fakeclaimers. Let's make sure anti-endos who are starting to rethink their beliefs feel like it's safe for them to do so and to start listening to pro-endos.

I'm sure this post is gonna get lots of interaction. But if it makes people less likely to read your studies, to listen to your arguments, to hear out the systems messaging you about their experiences? That's all for nothing.

I... actually think adding fuel to a fire can be useful sometimes. As long as you can keep it a controlled burn.

I'm counting on most anti-endos on Tumblr who would be scrolling through the syscourse tag already having me blocked. They won't see my post.

I'm counting on neutrals probably not following my blog or the syscourse tag either one. And most of those that do follow syscourse have already made their minds up about me.

I made that post for a very specific audience. One that doesn't actually need anyone to fuel its fire because they've built an entire community on seeking out systems to mock and attack. They already cherry pick the worst posts they can find to keep their friend group indoctrinated. So adding one more to the pile shouldn't matter to that specific group.

I don't think anything I say is actually going to make them hate the endogenic community more than they already do because they're surrounded constantly by people who will always reinforce that very generalized hate.

But I do think I can direct that hate they already have. Focus it as much as possible on one specific person. Me.

And the more they see me as a threat, (whether or not I am,) the more hateful they respond to me, the more their community will crack.

Users will be more likely to break their rules, making moderation in their subreddit more difficult for the unpaid mod team who will hopefully start rethinking how much of their life they want to dedicate to a hatesub moderating an angry userbase with nothing to show for it.

And while a slim hope, I'm waiting for them to be pushed far enough for Reddit to ban the whole subreddit.

So yeah. I don’t mind tossing as much fuel on the fire as possible if there's a chance their ableist hatesub burns.

Besides... I'm not actually saying anything untrue.

Plurality IS going to become more accepted. They ARE losing the scientific argument. And anti-endos and cringizens WILL lose friends and community support as plural acceptance spreads unless they're willing to change. A safe space for endogenic systems can never be one that houses anti-endos.

This is not a threat. This is a promise. It's a natural result of progress. And I'll do my part to accelerate this. But it's going to happen with or without my involvement.

I'm just making sure that when it does and they go looking for someone to blame because things have gone bad in their lives and their bigotry caught up with them, they'll direct their anger toward me instead of anyone else.

(Although maybe they can direct it inwards too since, you know, it was their fault for being bigots. But I think that would be too much to ask for.)

#syscourse

[elephant-in-the-pride-parade]

That Troll Accusing P/T fics and Trek Fic Writers Blogs (Including me) of Racism could be a Right-Wing Bot.

Edit (4/16): I would like to emphasize that i really hope this theory is not true. It stemmed from having had multiple friends and acquaintances in the voyager fandom (white and not) be suicide baited and otherwise harassed with vague accusations of racism over the past year, (for P/T primarily, but other ships and characters on occasion too) yah we did cycle through a lot of explanations. Ultimately our anon(s) being someone with either a malicious motive or an extremely ill thought out and unproductive approach, were the explanations that wound up making the most sense. the content of the anon asks and comments i am refering too has been both vague and painful, and further, never came from a real ao3 or tumblr account. these also came with no evidence based points for the fic writers to work on.

I do not believe this theory below to be anywhere near the most plausible. but it is the only conclusion we could make sense of for a slew of similar anon messages that, at the end of the day, did a lot of hurt without making any concrete points that writers could take action on. By making this analysis, my hope is not to convince you all that a right wing troll is out to get voyager fic writers. Instead, i hope it comforts writers who have gotten similar attacks and helps them to dismiss messages that come with harassment and suicide baiting, rather than evidence based points. And i hope if there are real people behind those anons that seeing this analysis helps them to reconsider the effect their approach is having.

Original Post from 3/2

At first I thought I was paranoid post-2016 and 2020, but now I've been hit a couple times and seen comments on more of the affected fics. And I'm seeing concerning themes.

I make a couple of assumptions here: 1. My anon (whom I will refer to throughout as "The Anon") is the same each time. 2. The Anon is the same actor or belongs to the same group as The Anon troll commenting on P/T and some J/C fics.

The Anon as a Bot Evidence:

1. The Anon accusations are sweeping, but generic. They do not use in-fic textual evidence to justify their comments. You write P/T: You're a Tom apologist. You think Belanna is his exotic wife. You justify your blatant anti-latina racism by casting her anger as an inherent a Klingon trait. You write J/C: You think Chakotay is a noble savage and fetishize him. You write Harry Kim: You're infantilizing him.

These tropes and stereotypes are legitimate concerns that fic writers should care about and should be mindful of. These accusations on the other hand are not legitimate. They are left as guest comments or anonymous asks on fics heedless of the fic content or writer's background or track record. The AO3 comments do not reference fic content. They are repeated across all impacted writers. They target new and veteran writers alike. They target fics regardless of rating.

2. Comments that appear to reference fic specifics go no farther fic tags.

This was harder to catch. But a P/T fic tipped me off last month. It was tagged "Tom & Belanna & Miral". The Anon's first comment on that fic dove in accusing the fic of incest. This showed both that the anon had not read the fic content - they also didn't understand the difference between a / tag and an & tag. (Which also means the programmer of the tag-reading bot or human actor creating tag-based comments is not literate in how fandom ship tags are structured - they may not be a fan at all!)

3. The Anon never replies. Not on AO3 or on Tumblr. (All AO3 comments from "The Anon" seem to stick to the automatically assigned Anon name or use a generic, short first name like "Sam").

Exceptions to this - the rare ocasions where someone sympathetic to the anon replies break from the distinctive patterns of The Anon. Replies come from either burner accounts or guests with more unique names. And these replies are both A - fewer and far between - suggesting they are a different actor - and B - by and large quite serious and thoughtful. I take them to be real people, legitimate fans concerned about racism, caught up in the crossfire.

4. The Anon uses language intended to engender right-wing sympathies and white-moderate anger.

The Anon sent this in their message to me the other day. I will bold the relevant passages.

"You’re the perfect example of the kind of white person who ruins fandom for everyone else, a nasty racist bitch who cares more about their shitty fanfiction than the feelings of actual people of color. Keep using your precious freedom of speech to fetishize brown men I guess

"The kind of white person": This anon has no proof of my race and proof doesn't matter to them. (They have targeted writers of color and white writers alike) They are indiscriminant because they are hoping some of their targets are white women. They are also attempting to out-group white women from the rest of fandom - trying to engender in me feelings of being alienated from my community.

"Nasty racist bitch" "Nasty woman" incidentally is what Trump famously called Hilary Clinton during a 2016 debate. Calling me a racist is there to put me on the defensive (and to alienate me from my coalition) Im meant to feel shocked and disheartened by this accusation. And in a way, keeping this generic serves a purpose. A lack of specificity makes it harder for me to defend myself. "Bitch" is there to trigger my fear/anger response. It is also assuming my gender - again. The anon doesnt care if they accidentally sent this hate to a man or nonbinary person or a person of color. they are betting that at least a plurality of targets will be their key white woman demographic.

"people of color" - while it is correct terminology - is also terminology of the US left/democratic wing. By using this term the Anon is in-grouping themselves with the left - trying again to make me feel like an outsider.

Finally, the kicker is the Freedom of Speech part of this ask.

The Anon is using the concept of free speech here in the same way that the MAGA crowd does, to mean that I ought to be able to say whatever I want regardless of how it hurts others, rather than the legal term's actual definition - the right to critique one's government without being jailed or killed.

By accusing me of caring about Freedom of Speech this way they're not trying to make me feel guilt - theyre trying to hurt me, make me angry, and guide me to sympathize with Republicans. They are using the term this way to push me to think of my fanfic in terms of free speech and thus to agree with Republican freedom of speech talking points. Or if I reject the accusation - to feel torn between Left and Right.

The Anon is trying to sow discord. Theyre employing the same tactics that broke the Womens March movement in 2021, and that pervaded so many Facebook groups and twitter in the last two US election cycles. They are using tactics honed to cleave apart progressives and moderates.

My only question after all those realizations was: why the fuck are they doing this to such a niche group as star trek fanfiction writers.

And then it hit me.

The Anon's Motive: Trek Fic Writers are a Target Election Demographic.

By and large, US fan writers of ships from 90s star trek are women, often millenial and gen x women, many likely to be suburban. And yes - more likely to be white. In short we are part of the same demographic Trump lost in 2020 and needs to either win back this year, or try keep from going to the polls.

You can tell me I sound ridiculous - I think this whole stinking situation is ridiculous. I'm not unaware of how fringe a theory this is. I've been taught to always assume incompetence before malice. And for a while I considered that maybe The Anon was genuine. Maybe they had good intentions and poor execution. I'm sure I could write characters of color better (I am not afraid to admit that I'm still learning. Being wrong isnt something to be afraid of). I wanted this to be the case actually, but I have too much evidence and motive in favor of malicious bot tactics to ignore.

I have tried so hard to think of a reason I'm wrong. Except that all the pieces make sense. No fic / writer specific grievances have been aired by The Anon. They hit the same points every time, again, without textual evidence. They never reply. They chose words that wound and inflame but that never say anything specific about the fic or writer.

And wouldn't it be damn convenient for the Trump camp if a bunch of progressive and moderate US star trek fans decided not to vote because they were disheartened by being accused of racism and felt alienated from the democratic coalition.

This is a niche community. But we likely arent the only targets. And as a friend reminded me tonight, it doesnt take much to move the needle.

#paris/torres #star trek fandom #the troll anon #racism #if you do happen to be the anon the easiest way to prove im wrong is to make a burner account and come talk to me #tell me what parts of my fics you found problematic im really not afraid to hear it

[kuramirocket]

Tw: for death threats and suibaiting

Remind me again how antis are supposed to be good and morally superior people. This is not just "ship discourse." Antis literally target, bully, harass, stalk, doxx, and suibait proshippers over fictional content. Idc, how disgusting or distasteful you find some fictional content. This type of abusive behavior is never okay.

It's always antis I see with so much hate and violence. When proshippers talk about antis it's never with this much competent, anger or hate. There may be some bad apples as with all communities, but proshippers in general want to be left alone to enjoy their fandom and online experiences.

This is why people who view themselves "above" and more "mature" over the proship and anti "discourse" should actually learn about these communities and topics.

Antis are very abusive. There is multiple evidence of countless behavior such as the ones shown above. And they appear everyday in the proship tags (mostly due to tumblr's tagging system) but regardless, again, such pro violence and suibaiting is not okay.

It's not hard to just put a simple dni if it bothers you that much or just block and filter things and people. You will have to continuously do this and it's tiring I know. It happens to me all the time where things I may not want to see pop up. Just keep curating your internet experience. Do this without telling literal people and sometimes minors at that to literally kill themselves. If you spread so much verbal hate and pro violent rhetoric you're not the good person you think you are.

All these tags came from one anti post and all from different users. This really is just the normal abusive behavior from antis. Rarely, do they advocate to not harass other people or actually post anything helpful to actually protect people online such as this post I made:

#proship #antis dni #proshipper safe #tw: death threats #tw: suicide baiting #tw: abuse #proshippers are valid #proshippers please interact #anti censorship #pro fiction #antis do not interact #proshipping

[continentalblue]

// please let me know if this ends up in the ship tag! if so, I'll adjust my tags so that it's hopefully removed. Full disclosure, this is an anti n0rku$ post. I'm not sure why it's showing up in the ship tag; in any case, I'll put the rest of my text in a read more.

this has probably been said 1,000 times but I genuinely feel like people would like North a lot more if her romance with Markus wasn't so shoehorned in. There's nothing wrong with n0rku$ as a ship, but it didn't get the attention it needed to feel like something either character would pursue. Why would North, someone who's been abused in a way that pushes her toward anger, give up everything for an android that she's barely met when it's implied that she's standoffish with the rest of the androids at Jericho? It just made her character feel a bit cheap, like she wasn't allowed to be her own character without being something for Markus.

Also, unrelated, but her "live as a slave" comment to Josh was just kind of tasteless. Ofc you can say that they're androids and it doesn't matter, but as a human playing a game made by humans it leaves a bad feeling in my mouth.

Ultimately, though, I really do like North. I really like how she stands by her principles and I just love seeing violent women in media.

#anti norkus #anti north/markus #dbh #d:bh #detroit become human #north dbh #dbh north #dbh wr400 #north #north wr400 #markus rk200 #josh dbh #dbh josh #dbh markus #jericrew

[ghost-of-a-slave]

Don't Trauma Dump To Radqueers- They Aren't Worth It.

To people sending radqueers detailed asks about their trauma/trauma dumping- I understand why you want to do it. I also want these people to suffer as badly as I did as a child because they think that our trauma is just some silly joke and actively paint it as amazing or fun or something to want- when I am permanently disabled due to it and am going to be risking getting murdered the second that I speak about who... But it's just not worth it- they will never feel the pain you want them to feel, they will never actually be triggered for real because they're all super privileged asshats who have the perfect lives people like me can only dream about and sob over not having. And beyond that wanting to make others hurt that much is just a reflection of the pain and trauma you yourself feel. You are self-harming by retraumatizing yourself just because someone is mocking your trauma or the trauma of others. Even when they're being so cruel and gross they are not at the same level of evil and bad as the abusers who the real hate and anger should be directed towards. And anyone who is that cruel (on the level of the abusers) would never care about what you have to say anyways.

They know that real survivors are in pain because of them stealing our resources and spreading misinformation about our conditions and are part of the reason nobody believes trafficking/cult survivors like us. They do this because they want to hurt people and they're cruel. Stooping to their level and fighting fire with grenades doesn't fix anything- they will not change and will never stop- they want to make you this upset and hurt you.

And the other half of people in their community have talked about how much they want to jack off to hearing about people's abuse and I mean this very literally as I saw multiple posts in the para tags on this. I never support acting on a para and that includes sexualizing someone's trauma without their consent. Only specific people whom I am comfortable with are allowed to sexual my trauma to my face (because I have consented) otherwise it is sexual assault/abuse/harassment and as a person myself I will NEVER be okay with people who defend that shit or do it. It's as fucked up as if I actually acted on my paras that could hurt me or others. I am strictly anti-contact and that includes SA/Sexual Harassment through the internet if it causes/inflicts suffering.

#anti rq #anti radqueer #radqueer dni #fuck off racists #fuck off ableists

[hinacu-arts]

Tags That Made Me Smile 2023 — Part 1 (Jan-June)

Ive collected so many of my "Tags That Made Me Smile List" that i wont be posting it annually this year, its going to be at least biannually (although a good portion of this list is actually random comments in the author notes/lines and not tags 🤣)

[2022's List] [2021's List]

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Not Fandom Specific

if they seem ooc at times (to YOU) just ignore it... i know Them

“It’s impossible to figure out comic book timelines” - people who are not me and who I cannot relate to

im ace but i tried my damnest to emulate allo behaviour

canon is nothing more than the sandbox in which I choose to build my castle

Not canon, not fanon, but some other third thing (my love for extravagant world building)

fan fiction vs foe fiction

bro we are teens its ok to be vunerable in front of me #now we are kissing bro dont stop

They have my mind on fucking speed dial i stg

intentional miscommunication in the name of fuckery

Cheesy romance taken seriously

The universe frantically consults the rule book while fate runs off with their action figures

getting a toddler dumped on you by your ex’s ex

“I’m not dying without kissing you” #And then they don’t die #And It’s all quite awkward

"Now if you'll excuse me… Tonight's bad decision isn't going to make itself."

“What’s a ‘boyfriend’? And why am I yours?”

“It has come to my attention that you are, unfortunately, my favorite person on this planet.”

i’m staring at the ceiling fighting the urge to kick you -a love story

Accidental Soul-Bonding oops

Enemy to Caretaker

Wooing via Prank War

Allegedly Platonic Kissing

Fandom Specific

These are ordered by the chronological order of which fandom i was reading at the time

Wednesday

werewolves mate for life

The Gomezification of Wednesday Addams

Legend of Zelda

Hi my name is Link and Welcome to Jackass

Link and Sidon both get a little bit gay: The Chapter

Gerudo Vai Outfit shenanigans

DC x Danny Phantom

Danny is the Tom Bombadil of Superheroes

Jack Fenton’s ability to casually Cool-Aid-Man his way through walls is a symptom of ectoplasm exposure

Skulker, No Skulking!

Danger Twink!Danny Fenton

Red Hood: Civilian Edition

inception—magic school bus version

a guy on staff so adorable it triggers Jason’s fight or flight response

Jason gets diagnosed with "bro your ectoplasm is fucked up" disease

Inspired by Hallmark Christmas Movies #But make it Halloween #where Tim Drake finds out the true meaning of love and Halloween #a true Rom-Com that's just a lil spooky

keeps the Hallmark themes of anti-capitalism #Vlad is the capitalism

pit is gone #raging anger has been replaced with raging hormones

All the (pit) rage he felt at the Joker for killing him is now being redirected and funneled into admiration/gratitude for the guy who did kill Joker

What is a murderer, a maker of ghosts, to the king of ghosts, but a faithful servant?

“Hood, your boyfriend's haunted!”

batman looked at gotham and said "i can fix her" #gotham looked at batman and said "i can make him worse"

Various DC Media

DC stands for Disregard Canon

Pining batman? more like Down Badman

Fortress of Sulkitude

Hurricane Dick and smaller Tropical Storm Damian

Tim finds his missing spleen #:)

just two dudes chillin' in a sleeping bag zero feet apart because Bart stole the other one

Kon's jacket #(it's made from boyfriend material)

Batfam? Bat colony? #how exactly do you to refer to the fascinating taxon that is Tim's family

Breaking the laws of Nature with sheer fucking will and bullshit circumstance (Time and Dimension Travel)

"Ha! Ive been sleeping in his bed for years, i no longer register as a threat"

Let it not be said that Bruce Wayne is a coward. A fool, perhaps, but never a coward.

"This is not very slay of you Tim" Bruce said

#hinacu #list #batman #dc #dp x dc crossover #wednesday #danny phantom #loz #the legend of zelda #ds:​kny was all non specific enough i just put it up there

[ruthlesslistener]

Oohhh I get it now. But tbh if I'm going to be honest, at least proshippers hide their stuff away in their respective dark areas/behind safe walls and even tag and warn people about the dark content they make. Antis dont, they just invade places and engage in the said dark content just to get mad at it. At least from my own experiences from them. Idk I just see most proshippers as responsible in managing what they make, while antis don't. I actually got a taste of dark content from antis myself as a kid, in a lot of callouts made by antis lololol. And not because the proshipper were demanding their content be known. Its been like that even now actually, where dark content gets shoved in people's faces purely because an anti is trying to act like a hero. Though this is just my experience with them.

Another thing if you wouldn't mind, is that while it's true that dark content can lead to a lot of things in real life. I personally see that it has to be allowed to exist, because dark content shows the dark realities of life and that we shouldn't just leave it/ignore it. I seen victims of abuse for example, who had their experiences validated from reading dark content/about their abuse in stories. Or like the fact that a certain famous entertainment company doesnt want to show blood in their content because of "violence" in shows where kids and adults are watching, where some have pointed out that not showing even a small proportions of what violence can do (blood) will lead to a very naive understanding of the consequences of violence. Shocking because this is a western company, and the TV show in question involves guns and... you get the idea. Don't get me started on censorship and how that can get out of hand so easily.

I don't think I'm explaining this well but yeh. Dark content is needed and should be allowed to exist in my personal views, but should still be allowed to exist behind close doors and away from people who don't want to see it. You can delete this ask if it makes you uncomfortable, I'm just trying to put my two cents into this convo. But yeh, I prefer to live in a world where dark content exists and not one where its nothing but "wholesome" and "pure".

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[Tone: calm and neutral]

Oh no yeah I agree with you 100%, this is my exact stance on things and is a mirror to most of my experiences- hell, I like exclusively dark content and part of the reason for that is bc I came from a psychologically/emotionally (and sometimes physically) where 'we're all just a big happy family and you're ruining it you little freak' was a big problem. Stuff that's just pure and wholesome actually makes me feel uneasy and on edge all the time because I always feel like the other shoe is about to drop, while horror is comforting because I can read the situation and know what's happening. Part of the issue in my household also stems from the fact that my dad has an issue with differentiating fiction and reality (he suffers from untreated ocd and paranoia and a whole slew of other issues), and he used to blame the stuff I was reading for making me 'disrespectful' and 'cold' whenever I dared to have a negative emotion- hence me just seeking out more and more fucked up shit so that I could vent my anger without getting cussed out (though it also was bc I wasn't allowed to watch anything over a G rating til I was fucking. 16.). Without going into more detail, he used extremely similar tactics to antis and that's why I have such a strongly negative response to them, discounting all of the times where I had nasty run-ins with them. I very much hate all of them and it is because I had to deal with people like them my whole life. It wasn't fun.

I have very few actual squicks, and if I'm in a curious mood I'll also read stuff even if it disgusts me- and hell, sometimes their are exceptions. Captive Prince is a series I'm very fond of full of rape, csa, incest, and psychological abuse, but the reason why I love it despite the content is because it is a very compelling story about how horrible all that abuse is and how deeply fucked up it can make a person, as well as how awful the victim can seem when your pov is being manipulated by the abuser. The problem I have isn't content-based as much as it is the people, and, to the lesser extent, the tone of some of what they make.

See, what soured me on proshippers aren't people who are quietly making darker content and posting/tagging it properly (those are just normal writers and artists imo), I'm talking those who proudly proclaim themselves as proship, aka the vocal few balls deep in The Discourse who make it their whole personality trait. They're mostly centered to Twitter rather than Tumblr nowadays, but the problem with said vocal minority is that they are. Well. Extremely fucking annoying, entitled, tone-deaf, and just overall awful people. Almost everyone who proudly flaunts that they're proship is so balls-deep in the discourse that they feel personally victimized by anyone who shows any negative reaction to the gross shit they're into bc that automatically means they're a puritan, when sometimes it really is just an expression of disgust. Twitter proshippers are a whole different breed than Tumblr ones after the porn ban, but unfortunatly I keep getting their arguments shown to me when I'm on the site scrolling for furry porn and its...bad. It's real fucking bad. Not as bad as antis half the time but certainly not much better in how they treat people and their personal boundaries.

It's also the people who will take content that's pretty fucked up and spins it through a fandom lens that also gets me, though most of the time I just block and move on with a bad taste in my mouth instead of getting actually angry. And by 'fandom lens', I mean people who will take a rape/abuse/etc situation and then go 'oh but what if they're a couple with only a few pokes at the fucked up elements in canon. Ex, some (admittedly few, but they exist) people ship Mohg and Miquella as a reciprocal pairing despite it being a kidnapping and nonconsensual body modification incest-for-power situation, and that just...it feels so wrong. It's just so shallow and such a bad take read on a complex situation that I cannot stand it, it makes me want to run the opposite way. I have zero authority to force people to not do things ofc, I'm not a fucking cop, but those people give me the vibe of someone who'd not help you out with an abusive partner because 'oh but his posessiveness and controlling nature is just so cute, and he clearly loves you so its okay!' and that rings the alarm bells of someone that I do NOT want to be around even if it logically means nothing.

Does that make sense? It's a convoluted mess, but I hope I made it more clear that it's not so much the content that bothers me as much as it is the people and how they use it.

#knittingworm #ex the people i thought were proshippers in my askbox were the ones who kept arguing over ethics even when i said i was uncomdortable #thats the sort of 'no boundary respect only argue' thing that upsets me not rlly what people are into #its very much how people treat other people that bothers me about the Disc Horse #reply

[purpleangelsele]

Since there’s a post using very tired arguments I’ll just talk about it.

From what I say onwards is my opinion and anyone can disagree, this is just my observations and opinions on what actually happened in the show.

Side note: If your post is clearly anti mileven, do better in censoring and tagging your shit because it still shows up in the tag.

Okay? Moving on…

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Okay so let’s start with this section.

So there’s this problem that B*lers have with not stating it’s their opinion first and foremost. Because they state that El “clearly” didn’t believe Mike when he said I love you…but where’s the exact confirmation? That sentence alone is an opinion that is not based on facts or even context. And apparently Mike idealizes El?

The same Mike that was worried she was draining herself way too much for everyone else, the one from the very beginning that said “she’s not a dog.”, the one that said “no, you’re not a monster, you saved me. You saved me.” But he’s idealizing her? He clearly states that he loves her with or without her powers. That is factual and from the show.

El doesn’t believe she is a superhero anymore because of the way she views herself. It is why she pulls away from Mike because she would hurt more if Mike saw her as monster, but Mike never saw her a monster just who she was. Personally, I think her powers make her a selfless superhero at times, she is always saving everyone and the world from danger.

So about the argument scene. El crying in front of Mike is not just because their relationship, it’s everything that happened yesterday, with hopper being gone, Angela showing up and humiliated her, and she hit back. but because she let her anger get the best of her, she’s feeling like a monster because of it. Her flashbacks to kids dead covered in blood with Brenner asking what she’s done, triggers her downward spiral internally. Which makes it harder for her to see clearly how Mike doesn’t view her as a monster.

If someone was sobbing in front of me, begging me to say I love you to them, I would be shocked and not immediately say I love you because then it wouldn’t seem genuine. Also her emotions are fully controlling her so hearing I love you wouldn’t have made anything better. She could have just said it was a lie or think he’s lying because she’s not in the right headspace to accept those words in that moment. That’s what I think. Obviously I have no idea what is going on in their minds but I can guess.

Mike was dealing with deep self-esteem issues and considering he’s been bullied his whole life, he thought he might not be needed anymore, because she didn’t tell him about her situation and he doesn’t know if he’s a good boyfriend for not even noticing her going through it. But he only had letters and he believed what she said in them. Both of them are not to blame, they are two teenagers still navigating this crazy world they live in where the upside down resides.

I believe that, Mike cares and loves El in a romantic sense because both of them felt like outcasts but understood each other when no one else would. Yes they have shared trauma but their relationship is far deeper and has a foundation set by a literal ride or die friendship.

Alsooo, remember when I said some annoying B*lers thought it would be hilarious if we thought Mike meant what he said?

Yeahhh. That’s exactly what I was talking about. Proving my point once again.

I personally don’t see how Mileven was a mess. Maybe I’m too biased but I’m pretty sure they’re the healthiest couple on the show. Even when they were broken up (briefly), they never stopped being considerate of the other and being there for the other person. Mike said “it’s a fight you cannot come back from.” And that makes me think.. wow that’s such a teenage thing to say, because any argument when you’re in relationship feels final but it wasn’t, because I think El still loves him and is willing to work things out with him, but it’s going to take some time. It doesn’t mean they’re a mess, they just have way too much to deal with, aside from their relationship. Like Hawkins falling apart, and Vecna still alive but hurt. Call it wishful thinking but I’m not worried about their relationship.

Now, this same old opinion that has been circling since season 4 “ El was distant from Mike after the Speech.” Again considering what happened in the show, it’s understandable that El isn’t in the speaking mood. She just found out Max was in a coma and couldn’t find her anywhere in her mind. That can mess with her mental state especially because El feels like she failed Max.

But don’t forget that she wasn’t denying physical touch and closeness with Mike during the hospital scene with Max. They stood side by side and she was wearing what I assume is a hoodie of Mike’s. And automatically she leans against his shoulder while he rubs her shoulder briefly. That does not signal to me that she’s planning to breakup with him because she can still think about taking down Vecna but want the relationship with Mike in tact.

El being independent has been the whole show. She’s been alone since her birth, considering she was builled by other kids and escaped by herself and only had herself to rely on until she met Benny, and then the party. She gets separated from the party at the end of season 1, she stays in the woods by herself for about a month I think. Then Hopper takes her in but she’s still so isolated and alone because she can’t interact with her friends in fear of Brenner finding her. And then In Season three she gets to spend more time with Max and got to know her better. In season 4, she’s separated from Mike in handcuffs, and then by Dr.Owens taking her to Nina. She spends majority of the season alone because she was learning more about herself and getting back her abilities in the process. When they finally reunite it feels amazing and both of them are just elated to see eachother alive.

El can be independent and still be the one to save everyone because Mike is not the one with powers here, she can take care of herself and she’s shown that time and time again.

Mike Wheeler is more than El��s boyfriend. He is the leader of the party, the one that comes up with plans and follows through. He’s also the one that comes up with plans that help El or like season 4, find her location. He is dealing with untreated trauma, watching El “die” in front of him, talking to his Walkie-Talkie and feeling her there but feeling crazy for thinking that. His family situation(enough said). The way school has affected him in terms of the cliques and the bullies. Then there’s the Upside down and the constant fear that he’ll lose the person he loves to Vecna. He’s so much more than her boyfriend, he is a fully-fleshed out character that deserves more respect and honestly, I hope to see him grow more in season 5.

Is there any confirmation that they are miserable with eachother? No? Then don’t say it as a common fact. El deserves to be loved unconditionally and Mike does love her unconditionally, that’s why he takes their conversations more seriously, that’s why he’s different than his dad, he actually thinks on what he said and how it affected El. And he works on himself to be better and more open about his feelings especially with El. And Mike did say I love you to someone, El.

In the show, he said I love you. Personally, I think that type of post is dismissing the complexity of their relationship and is only scratching the surface of it. Also love the cherry pickiness of scenes that are twisted in such a negative way that I never would have thought upon viewing it the first time.

At the end of the day this is my perspective. I’m not posting this to change anyone’s minds. I just want people to read this and at least understand why I think this way. Instead of being sheep, develop your own opinions about the ships in context of the show and if you don’t then that’s okay, Fanon is cool too. It’s only problematic when Fanon is treated as Canon facts.

That’s all. Thank you for reading the whole post!!

-Sel💜

#mileven #mike wheeler #el hopper #mike x el #stranger things #anti byler #my post #my thoughts #selwrites

[local-redhead-bookworm]

I’m just gonna say this because I’ve been seeing antis all over the Billy tag recently and I’m tired of it.

Don’t say Billy should have turned out more like Will, Jonathan, or El. All of those characters were out of their abusive situations and had people supporting them, while Billy had no one.

“Will went through an extremely traumatic experience with the Upside Down, and he was verbally (and possibly physically) abused by his dad. So if he is still so soft and kind, why isn’t Billy more like him?”

Because he was young and unused to abuse, for one. And that’s good, no one should have to be used to suffering and fear, but especially not someone as young as Will.

Will isn’t constantly stuck in the Upside Down. He’s shaken by it, but it was a one-time thing (at first). Even as things get bad, he still is no longer constantly physically trapped in the Upside Down.

He’s used to relying on others for help. He had Joyce, Jonathan, and Hopper there for him every step of the way. Getting him out of the Upside Down, at his appointments, even burning the Mind Flayer out of him.

“What about Jonathan? He and Billy are treated almost the same, right? We see each boy thrown into the wall by his dad. So shouldn’t they be acting the same?” No.

People are unique, so they’re going to react to the same thing differently.

Jonathan is no longer stuck with his abuser. When Lonnie throws Jonathan into a wall, Jonathan pushes back. Why? Because he knows that his dad has no power over him anymore. His dad isn’t welcome in their home anymore.

Jonathan has Joyce supporting him. Joyce was there to help Jonathan adapt when Lonnie left, and she constantly encourages Jonathan to do what he loves and be true to himself, not to what others expect of him.

“What about El? She’s been through something way worse than what Billy went through. She wasn’t even treated like a person, opened the Gate, even faced demogorgons and Brenner, and she’s still kind.”

No one’s trauma is “worse” than another’s. Similar to point one with Jonathan, everyone reacts to trauma differently. El has known abuse all her life, but trauma isn’t a scale of “mildly traumatizing to severely traumatizing.”

El still reacts violently. Remember how El broke that bully’s arm in S1? And how she was going to use her powers on Angela? And how she threw a skate at Angela’s face? Those aren’t exactly saintly actions. Those kids were all major jerks, and they don’t deserve to get away with it, but El using her powers (which might have killed Angela) isn’t the right way to react.

Again, El has a support system. She has all the kids, Joyce, and Hopper there for her. She’s not trapped with Brenner until S4, and even then Owens is acting as a buffer of sorts, keeping Brenner from fully sinking his claws back into El.

Now take a look at Billy.

Billy has no concept of a life without being abused. Billy has been abused presumably since his mom left when he was what, ten? Eleven? He was young, and it could go back even further than that. Abuse is all he’s ever known, and it’s ongoing. To his knowledge, everyone could be like his dad. We see his dad shoving him into a bookshelf, calling him cruel things, and undermining Billy’s self-esteem, all happening during the story, not just in flashbacks.

When he’s possessed by the Mind Flayer, things just go from bad to worse. He’s trapped in his own body, forced to watch as he plays a part in numerous deaths (which is also true of Will, but no one cares about that). Billy fights off the Mind Flayer for as long as he can, but he has no way out.

He lashes out. I don’t think any of his behavior was right. However, there’s a reason for what he does. He’s expected to be an all-American man by his dad, “respect and responsibility” and all that. He takes out his frustration, his anger, his fear, on anyone who’s weaker than he is. Because he’s been taught that if you’re weak, you suffer for it.

Billy has no support system. Part of this is due to how he treats others, I will admit that. But his toxically masculine upbringing doesn’t allow for him to treat anyone as equals. They’re either stepping stools on his ascent to power, or they’re threats. His mother, the only support he had, left him with a man she knew was abusive. Everyone wants him, but no one wants to help him.

Our knowledge of trauma, especially how abuse affects people, is relatively new. Even Owens makes mention of this in S2, when he says that he’s only seen PTSD in Vietnam veterans at the time. Child abuse was not seen the same way back then as it is now, either. It was perfectly acceptable and even encouraged.

I know this is all a fictional narrative, and you may be wondering why I’ve put so much time into writing this, because “it’s all fiction at the end of the day.” Unfortunately, this treatment of Billy and other characters like him sends exactly one message to abuse victims: if you lash out and hurt others because of your abuse, if you let it make you angry instead of making you soft and quick to tears, you don’t deserve a chance to change and the best thing you can do is die. And that’s an awful message to send, especially to people who see an earlier version of themselves in characters like Billy.

In closing, nothing Billy did was right, but it came from a place of reaction to abuse and twisted intentions. He didn’t react like Will, Jonathan, or El because he wasn’t in the same position as they were. Billy was being actively abused at the time and he had no support system. What fans see in Billy is the potential for growth and change, and a message that you can heal and break the cycle of abuse you were brought up in.

#billy hargrove #stranger things analysis #stranger things meta #tw abuse mention #tw abuse #jonathan byers #will byers #el hopper #stranger things #yes I’m putting this in the main tag #I feel like I’ve poked a nest of hornets but I don’t care #my posts

[halfagone]

...I have such complicated feelings about the Anger Management ship. This isn't to say that I don't like the ship (I do, I actually adore it) but I happen to be very nit-picky about the execution and dynamics that I'm always super hesitant to read new fics with these two as the main pairing.

(If you plan on reblogging this, please do not put the crossover fandoms or the ship name in the tags. This is a rambling essay, not a purposefully antagonistic vent about other people's writing style or preferences. I KNOW not everyone likes or dislikes the same things that I do, and just as they are due their own opinion, so am I.)

To be completely transparent, I don't think Jazz would like Red Hood. Oh, I think she'd absolutely adore Jason, but I don't think she would like Red Hood. I honestly believe that if she found out Jason was Red Hood sometime later into their relationship, she would want to take a step back and think things through. This isn't to say that she would break up with him because of it, or hate him suddenly now that the truth is out, but it's one thing to find out your boyfriend is secretly an anti-hero vigilante, and it's another thing to find out your boyfriend is secretly a crime-lord who beheaded EIGHT PEOPLE and stuffed their severed heads into DUFFEL BAGS to send a message to Batman. It's one thing to find out your boyfriend doesn't get along with his family, and it's a whole other thing to learn your boyfriend beat his adopted brother brutally and PAINTED THE WALLS WITH HIS BLOOD without ever meeting him first and based on information he hadn't even found out firsthand but was given to him by a woman that was purposefully stoking the flames of his anger and hatred to make things easier for her son.

She knows Jason a little more personally now, so she's aware of the layers to his character and history so she has a better understanding of what his motivations might/could be, but that doesn't lessen how HUGE of a shift in perspective this could be for her. It'd be worse if Jason hasn't expressed any regret for what he did to Tim, especially considering Red Hood supposedly protects kids but went along and beat Tim so viciously anyways. You can't even use the excuse that Tim is a 'child soldier', when Jason is just as willing and ready to use that same excuse when he gripes about how terribly Bruce treated him or Bruce's supposed lack of grief and regret over losing Jason. It doesn't mean what he went through was any less terrible, but it does make him a hypocrite.

I feel like they would have to steadily overcome this obstacle, and I do honestly believe that Jazz would implore him to get therapy to help him, and if he didn't agree, she would be seriously concerned about their relationship. Seeing as Jason has also inherited Bruce's miscommunication (or general lack of communication) and poor coping mechanisms.

Of course a lot of this could be outright avoided or fixed in the background, but I don't find that it happens a lot? Or, if it does, it's never properly explained? I can understand if it's a short fic and all that background plot points can't be properly addressed in the short amount of time, but when it's a longer fic I always feel like it's a missed opportunity NOT to have and/or show more growth in Jason as he learns what a civilian relationship (hell, a healthy relationship in general) is actually LIKE after losing so much of his life to his need for revenge.

Which kind of leads up to my next point... I'm very nit-picky when Jazz is shown to be super BAMF and always ready to throw down. Jazz has always been badass to me, but I always felt like her type of strength always relied more on her intelligence, sharp wit, and most of all her compassion. She's a good shot, and she's always willing to step in physically if she feels like it's necessary, but violence has never been her first choice. She wants to be a psychologist/psychiatrist - for her to constantly be willing to roll up her sleeves and punch someone out is not conductive to a working and trusting relationship between a doctor and their patient. Or between most people, in general.

(Another thing! I feel like Jazz would believe that people deserve second chances. While she might agree that someone like the Joker might be beyond saving (something she might agree to with great hesitancy and reluctance), she wants to believe so badly that people can change for the better. This could be caused and/or linked to her childhood, and how her parents never spent time on her and Danny but she was desperate to fix their family. Which could be the reason she got into psychology in the first place. For her to admit that some people can never change, would be like Jazz admitting that she wasted the early formative years of life trying to fix a broken home all for nothing. This, however, would cause more contention between her and the Red Hood. Can you tell I don't think they'd get along?)

However, this sort of personality and behavior is very reminiscent of someone else. That person of course being Danny himself. Danny is the one that's often throwing himself into fights and roughing it up before thinking twice. When he grows up, he might learn to rein it back in and think things through more, but I find it strange that the exact opposite it applied to Jazz's character when she has already succeeded with a balance of careful forethought and affirmative action. I like when there are differences between their characters, I like how they differentiate and balance each other out. I like how it shows their opposing thought processes and principles.

This does lead me to my next point... Liminal!Jazz is very hit and miss for me. Giving her ghostly qualities not only takes away some of the things that make her unique to Danny (it sucks too because I adore how Jazz is so sympathetic and tries so hard to understand what Danny is struggling through, it really shows how supportive Jazz is and has always tried her best to be). It particularly irks me when it's explained that this is caused by ectocontamination when Danny supposedly never had those same ectocontamination effects BEFORE his Accident? When he was similarly contaminated for all of his life as well. Technically speaking, their parents should be contaminated too in order to make the reasoning consistent. But most of all it... and I hate to say this, but I feel like it cheapens Danny's tragic death. Danny went through SO MUCH and suffered excruciating pain and now whenever he looks in the mirror he will never see the same human kid he'd once been, while Jazz didn't have to suffer the same thing or even CLOSE TO IT and still got those same physical characteristics. ESPECIALLY when the reasoning feels hollow. And even I hate how I can't get into the concept because I've seen the headcanon utilized in some pretty inventive ways! Nonetheless it still bothers me and I see it so much that I find that I have to outright avoid so many fics to get away from it. The premise of the fic itself might interest me but the concept bothers me THAT MUCH that I just can't.

And a lot of this is connected to how Jazz is so often characterized or shown in conjunction to Danny. De-Aged!Danny fics where Jazz takes care of him are really cute- god knows I love a good baby!Danny story- but I feel like these fic concepts don't give Jazz the opportunity to shine on her own. When I heard people complained about where Danny was in Elizabehta_Beilschmidt's Friendly neighborhood vigilante (and yes I know what her @ is, but I am PURPOSEFULLY not tagging her), I was honestly SHOCKED. I loved that Danny wasn't really around. That might sound harsh, but I came for a Jazz/Jason fic where these two were the main characters. And who we, naturally, should spend the most time with.

Most of all, Jazz's whole personality and life should not be based on babysitting/caring for her little brother. Especially in a lot of these fics when Danny is an adult of his own. Danny has been shown to take care of himself even at fourteen, if he's eighteen or even in his twenties, that shouldn't have suddenly changed. Jazz should not have been forced to take care of her younger sibling to begin with, for her to be forced or feel obligated to continue and spend more of her life unnecessarily worrying and fussing over her brother is not fair to her. I hate to separate them, but their lives take them in different directions and it's not healthy or fair for them to curb their wants and dreams to satisfy their desire (and perhaps even codependency) to stick together. It's both adorable and heartbreaking in kid!Danny fics to see how she continues to hold strong and try to do her best for him, but she already spent so much of her life doing that. Let her have time for herself and her interests and her cute boyfriend GODDAMMIT!

So yeah. I have Complicated TM feelings about Anger Management. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

#halfagone rambles #don't take this personally if you disagree #you do you my friend

[draeken]

Billy Hargrove Season 4 Spoilers 

Just needed to get this out cause i have a lot of feelings right now

I think all us Billy stans were somewhat expecting this outcome tbh. Just due to the blatant disregard the duffers had for Billy’s character to begin with. They always sounded like they openly hated him so I’m not at all surprised that they got lazy with their writing and his characterisation.

Honestly im just incredibly sad for Billy, that his abuse from his father was swept under the rug and never properly acknowledged. That the duffers wrote that Billy’s father, his abuser, was grieving him and didnt want to be in Hawkins without him? Even tho every single scene we saw with the two of them together, it was tense and violent? Billy was literally always in tears after every altercation with his father. I find it to be bullshit that that was how the duffle bags chose to wrap up Billy’s trauma. They showed us his childhood, they showed us the thing he feared most in his life was his father. They showed us his mother being broken down to the point that she had to leave not only her husband, but her child so that she could survive. As someone who has been the child in this very situation, I can say it meant so much to me to see it being told in main stream media. It made me feel seen, heard and honestly its one of the reasons why I was drawn to Billy in the first place. That his character was complex and nuanced, that he felt real to me. Why, while I have never condoned his treatment and behaviour towards the party or the people around him, I can understand him. 

He was an antagonist, but he was also a victim. And it doesn’t take much empathy to understand that everyone has their own demons  that they’re dealing with.

If you’re an anti, fine, I honestly don’t care. I understand you don’t like Billy, hell, that you despise him. That’s fine. I’m not asking for you to like him, I’m not telling you to change your mind or your feelings where he’s concerned. He’s done some deplorable shit and I’m not making excuses for him. 

I’m just saying that I’m sad. So very fucking sad that a character like him, with so much potential to change and grow into something new will never be- where he could learn how to be a better person and be given the tools to control his anger and his feelings. So that he could fix the good relationships he had left in his life and apologise for the shit he had done- I’m sad this opportunity to show that a person can be capable of change has been taken away. That we’ll never get to see Billy dealing with the consequences of his actions and growing from it. 

I wasn’t expecting anything from this new season, and now that we’ve seen how the duffles have treated him, I’m glad he didn’t get as much screen time as we wanted. It would have hurt more to see his character misused and written more poorly than what it had already been. 

I’m sad, but thankfully fanfiction exists. And you know what? The wonderful fanfic writers and authors we have on AO3 and other websites are much better writers than what canon content has ever given us. Not just with Harringrove, but with all the ships and world building in the ST fandom. And that is something I am extremely thankful and comforted by. 

But yeah, Anti’s, I get you don’t like Billy, but please don’t interact with us stans. Don’t come onto our posts, into our tags and into our areas and shit on him. We’re just minding our own business and dealing with our disappointment. 

We don’t care if you don’t like him, so why do you care so much that we do? 

Think about it 

#stranger things #stranger things 4 #billy hargrove #harringrove #steve harrington #fandom #stranger things spoilers #st4 spoilers #stranger things 4 spoilers #neil hargrove #max mayfield #dear billy #episode 4 #stranger things series

[limeade-l3sbian]

What’s your opinion on some black people on twitter distancing themselves from certain online activism in regards to palestine due to how horribly anti black muslims can be and are oftentimes, how it is alleged that even bisan(i say alleged bc i only saw ppl say there was proof, not post the proof itself) has been dismissive of the black experience/ anti black?

at a certain angle i can honestly get it. we do not see the same passion or care for what is happening in sudan and congo so to see people shame black people, especially during black history month, about focusing on that instead or critiquing other ppls lack of attention towards those issues. it is not coincidental that the genocides and tragedies happening to black people somewhere else is what’s being neglected compared to the much paler counterparts.

my biggest issue with the whole situation of distancing is honestly other black ppl shaming those individuals. i’m tired of seeing black ppl, especially black women, constantly fight others battles and accept their own neglect. so many bw will go to war to fight for others who wouldn’t even piss on them if they were on fire.

i’m not saying anyone should distance themselves from caring about literal genocides. i’m just saying i get understand the feeling of neglect and constant sacrifice expected of oneself despite never getting even a smidgen back.

I can understand it.

For me, it's like this: There are some genuinely repulsive, racist women who fall into my net of feminism (all women). If I were to ever step in their neighborhood, they would call the cops. If I ever got into an argument with them, they might call me the n-word. If I were to ever get hurt, they would say I deserved it.

If a crime happened involving a black criminal, she would post repulsive shit that has genuinely sent me in a spiral. I will just stare at the ceiling and wonder how so much hate for darker skin can exist even after so much progress. She will uphold beliefs that have left me wondering what it feels like to live without being aware of my skin.

This woman is the worst person I have ever known. I want to punch her in the face and given the chance, I probably would.

But I don't think she should be raped. I don't think she should be abused by her husband. I don't think she should be used as a prop in war. I would not celebrate if she was violated in any way that could scar her for life.

And that isn't because I'm some sort of "above it all, so sanctified, look at me I'm so righteous" asshole. Because, as I said, I want to punch this woman and if she tripped in front of me, she can get the fuck up herself lmao.

BUT, my humanity is not conditional.

Especially on the subject of women. The ignorance of one group does not negate my own sense of morality and feelings of what is right and what is wrong. I hold a certain anxiety in my chest for all the women caught in this war, because regardless of "sides", women remain the ransom and the spoils of every conflict.

I certain do feel anger when I think about how a lot of black women's activism and support FREQUENTLY goes unreturned. It pisses me off, to be honest. So I can understand and I would not judge the black women who pull back. Because how many times can I take the punches for you (people) before I get tired of no one tagging in?

But for me, personally, and I don't say this on some pedestal above the women I just mentioned in any way whatsoever, I guess I just think even the most ignorant women need support. And not that activism is transactional, but there have been demonstrations by muslims for BLM.

I guess my closing statement is that my fight is with the system, not the people who had no say in growing up in it.

*I'm not calling Palestinian women ignorant. I'm speaking on the hypothetical I said earlier as well as the select ignorant muslims that anon mentioned. So don't start.

#ask

[discluded]

Hi discluded,

[This is regarding the the literature and not the real life situations.]

I am a fan of watching bl and gl series but I'm more interested in reading the written versions. I have read alot of translated novels/manga /manhua and watched donghua etc.

When it comes to translated works books like The grandmaster of demonic cultivation,SVSS, TGCF, Painter of the night are widely popular now. But that's just the icing on the cake. There are many novels mangas/manhuas with much darker and more violent themes [ All with characters above the age of consent]in the categories of Yuri/Yaoi/hetero.

But what baffles me the most is that though most of the plots of thai bl books and bl series are relatively tame when compared to other danmei/ yaoi stories , the amount of rage present in this bl series watching fandom as a whole.

People get angry at every single thing.They are always warring against each other.Civil discourse is present but very passive aggressive. It's filled with moral policing left and right [Regarding the literature].

Majority of the danmei novels have sensitive themes but the arguments in the danmei fandom are usually very civil . There's not much anger present.

I saw this especially when daemi released Kinnporsche, VegasPete and even Big Dragon . At the end of the day it's just literature....

Like Vegas/Kinn are in the mafia.And Vegas has a lot of unhealed trauma and borderline insane. He obviously isn't going to be acting like a normal person without getting help and Pete's not a psychologist.. How can people expect them to act like the usual couple ? Obviously it's not that simple.

I just don't understand why this bl-series- watching -community gets so angry at everything. There's so much toxicity. Why do people watch and then complain ? The tags are already there.If that form of literature is way too sensitive to consume ,then they shouldn't. I don't consume literature that I find triggering. We all have enough understanding to be able to make a choice of what we want to read.

Why scold the people who consume it ? Why try to act morally superior than the ones who consume and scold them ? I simply don't understand why some of these people behave like this.

What are your thoughts about it ? I would like to know .

As someone who's enjoyed Hannibal and keep watching people trying to cancel Hannibal for being the gaslight gatekeep murder cannibalism show, lol. idk.

i don't bother trying to understand antis' perspective (whether or not they label themselves as antis because they certainly behave like antis) because they don't deserve the energy of me extending empathy when they have none for other people. It's the same mentality as any western group trying to culturally colonize narratives that don't belong to them in the first place.

also wank in danmei fandom is definitely not civil if you've seen people try to cancel MXTX, an author who rarely gives interviews, for existing and having her characters have sex/have any kink, or try to accuse Chinese fans of antisemitism for pointing out the Lans can't be Jewish because they practice Daoism which is also a core tenant of the plot of the novel. or try to cancel me for biphobia when I tried to contextualize historical and modern chinese terminology around queer identity and behavior, which informs self-conceptualization of identity.

You may enjoy @dirtydirtychai's purity wank tag though!

#purity wank

[mellarked-katnisseverdeen]

The Road Ahead (More Hindsight AU)

Orignal Hindsight AU

A/N- Orignal warning apply. This is not friendly to Peeta, please enjoy your day/night by continueing on if that is not to your likeing. FOR REAL, please don't torture yourself if your a Peeta fan, skip this. I would absoulutly be with you if my mind would stop wanting the angst. This one is through Peeta's PoV so I promise this is argueably worse than the OG one. Upside is I got to write some Delly! Which helped to make it worth it. Hope those craveing the angst enjoy this. And with luck this will be the end of this plot bunny/alternate universe for me.

This idea came to me I think, octorber of last year so as much as it makes me want to cry I am glad to have finally finished it.

Also yes: I did tag everthorne and Gale for a reason. Avoid like the plague if you have a problem with it. They are not the focus here, but they are presant and portrayed as happy here. So my everthrone antis can also continue on your day without reading this better off for it, too.

Delly's footsteps slow their pattern of hitting the dirt ground and she gently grabs his hand with hers.

"Peeta, I'm glad you are letting me hang around while rebuilding the bakery. Spending time with you after so long has been nice. Really nice."

Knowing anything he says could give a wrong impression, Peeta smiles politely and nods to agree. Delly decides to throw all of her cards on the table and leans into him for a kiss which Peeta gently steps back from. Putting a gentle hand on her shoulders to make his message unmistakable.

For her part, Delly doesn't seem upset. Disappointment shades her features but not any anger or sadness. It relieves him a bit, seeing she didn't take it too harshly. Even if there is no small amount of guilt pooling in his gut. Still, it was nice to see she wasn't terribly hurt. That was the last thing he wanted.

"Sorry. I just- I had to try. Only once, tell you before I moved on." Delly explains.

"No, no don't be. Delly if I could just feel the same way you do I would. If it were up to me, I promise you it'd be different. Please know you are amazing, alright? Don't let me not being able to get my head out of my rear end make you think otherwise." Peeta explains.

A smile is flashed at him, and they continue to walk through the path covered with the forests downed leaves. For a moment he thinks he couldn't get more lucky to have Delly as his closest friend. Peeta wishes it were as simple, as easy to forget he'd already given his heart away and to be with her instead. It isn't, and he has tried and tried hard to let himself fall into something with her. To pretend otherwise would be a lie. Delly deserved much, much better than that.

Katniss Everdeen did exist, and even though she had chosen Gale, he couldn't love anyone like he had loved her no matter how much he wanted to or tried. Despite truly trying in the last few weeks to let this time with Delly grow something it was fruitless. Peeta wished it was as easy as choosing her.

"Peeta, can I say one last thing? Then we can talk about anything you want, forget this ever happened?" She asks, and he nods. She meets her eyes with his. "Katniss…she's happy, Peeta. And I wish that you could be that way too. I know you are content, and at peace with how things are. But you've earned more than that, whether I'm involved or not. Just think about it, okay? Maybe start looking at the road ahead of you. Deciding what you want it to look like."

He can't stop himself. Peeta doesn't want to make these promises cause he doesn't feel confident in fulfilling them. But Peeta decides, he is trying. Reopening the bakery is the start even if doesn't feel as successful as he'd hoped. "I promise, Dells."

Inside he knows, as usual, she is right. Katniss, for the last few weeks as far as he understands, has been on an extended hunting trip with Gale, thoroughly enjoying herself and filled with life if the look she had while smiling as they packed their gear the morning they left was any indication. She's never been more where is meant to be. Somehow she'd scratched something pleasant for herself after it all. With that, it would be logical to make an effort to have something like that for himself.

Peeta was sure he wouldn't get that far. Though he's trying, Katniss could be confident in choosing what she wanted, or at least not be affected by his reaction. And that Delly wouldn't worry about him sulking himself to an early grave.

"Good!" Delly trills, loosely taking his arm. When he stays silent, she offers more chatting to continue and lighten the conversation. "Is this rumor about a new cinnamon roll recipe I am hearing about true? If so, I volunteer as a taste tester."

#Peeta Mellark #Delly Cartwright #The Hunger Games #Hindsight AU #Katniss Everdeen #Gale Hawthorne #Everthrone #AJ Writes

[franklyshipping]

Stoic Laughter ~ A Jacksepticeye Ego Fanfic

HE WAS HAVE ANOTHER EPIC ANON PROMPT - FUN FACT, THIS IS FROM THE SAME PERSON WHO SENT IN THE PROMPT THAT LED TO THE SIGNS OF MAGIC! LET’S DO THIS WOO!

TAGGING: @robbie-lee-zombie and @shawnflynnthetoymaker

Robbie stared at Shawn. He thought the toymaker was one of the most interesting people that the zombie had ever met! Nearly every other Septic ego had moments of high, feral energy, but not him. Day-in day-out he’d be tucked away in his workshop/bedroom, whittling away at wood for toys or working on special tiny mechanisms for them. He’d come out for meals and sometimes join for movies, but other than that he was totally anti-social. He was a big fan of his own company, and relished in silence. So, when Robbie was feeling overwhelmed one day from all the manor’s noise, he decided to seek Shawn’s room. The toymaker couldn’t say no to Robbie’s sweet face, and let him hang out on the condition that he didn’t distract him from working. Robbie agreed… but now his curiosity was getting stronger and stronger.

He silently made his way towards where Shawn was working on something at his desk, creeping up behind the man unintentionally. A thing about Robbie, is that sometimes he was completely unaware of just how quiet he was. So very often, he made the other egos jump without meaning to – he even did it to Dark once, which was rather funny! Now, it was about to happen again.

‘Shawn-’

‘AH!’

Shawn jumped out of his skin, dropping his tools onto his desk as he whirled around in his chair.

‘Robbie what the hell?! Ye nearly gave me a heart attack, don’t do that!’

Shawn regretted his raised, angry voice as soon as his words left his mouth. Robbie’s face fell and his bottom lip trembled, the zombie now picking anxiously at his own fingers. It was one of Robbie’s biggest fears, upsetting others, especially when it was people he really cared about. Shawn took a breath, banishing his anger away; he knew Robbie couldn’t help being silent, and he sure as hell didn’t want to upset the guy just because he was a jumpy son of a gun.

‘Sorry, I’m sorry for shouting, I’m sorry.’

Shawn extended his hands to Robbie cautiously, not wanting to scare the guy even more. Robbie nibbled his lip, his eyes flicking between Shawn’s face and his calloused, open hands.

‘D-Didn’t mean to…’

‘I know you didn’t, I know. I’m just a jumpy dumbass, it’s not your fault okay?’

Shawn tried a soft smile, and now Robbie felt a little more at ease. He slipped his hands into Shawn’s, and then tilted his head at the toymaker and smiled.

‘Shawn not dumb butt, Shawn smart!’

Shawn laughed gently, clearing his throat as bashfulness threatened to sneak up on him. Goddamn this sweet undead munchkin making him feel soft.

‘Thanks… uh, you uh, wanna see what I’m working on?’

‘Ooh yes yes yes! Toy?’

Robbie jumped on the spot excitedly, making Shawn purse his lips together to keep a grin at bay as he nodded.

‘Sorta…’

He turned back towards his desk, with Robbie standing by him and looking down curiously as Shawn picked up a little object. It seemed to be a simple carving of a log in dark wood, about the length of Robbie’s hand, and with a little button in the middle.

‘Go ahead and press the button.’

Shawn said, making Robbie beam. He inspected it a little, wondering if it was going to play some pretty music, or unlock like a treasure chest. He gently pressed the button with his index finger, and promptly let out a squeal. It was a trick box. As soon as he pressed the button, the middle quickly opened up to reveal a carved crocodile head with an open mouth, which gently closed around Robbie’s finger. Robbie drew his hand back, clutching his finger as he beamed and burst into giggles.

‘Croooooc! Croccy croc!’

Shawn thought his heart was going to melt, Robbie was just too damn cute! He smiled at him, before closing up the box with a little click.

‘Yeah, it’s uh, more of a prank toy, you like it?’

‘Yeah! Again again again!’

Robbie made grabby hands towards the toy, so Shawn held it out for him. The next twenty minutes proceeded with Robbie repeatedly pressing the button and having his finger “chomped” by the little crocodile carving inside, and each time he was delighted, squealing and giggling like it was the first time over and over again. Shawn thought it was so endearing, but as time went on he was becoming aware of the fact that he still had a lot of work to get on with. So, eventually, he sighed and gave Robbie a smile.

‘Okay, I gotta get back to work now.’

He set the toy aside and turned back to his desk, making Robbie gasp and pout. He’d been having so much fun, he didn’t want to stop now!

‘Nooooo! No wooork!’

‘Yes work, sorry Robbie.’

He replied, before leaning down and getting ready to open up the toy to check the integrity of the mechanisms. However, before he could actually open it up… Robbie had wrapped his arms around him from behind.

‘No!’

Robbie adamantly hugged him, pressing his face into Shawn’s neck as the cuddle kept Shawn’s arms trapped at his sides. The toymaker squirmed, eyes wide in surprise as he let out an amazed laugh.

‘Robbie, I have to work!’

‘No! Work bad, hugs good!’

‘Well– okay I agree, but I have to work!’

‘Hugs!’

‘No, work!’

‘HUGS!’

Shawn gasped when Robbie gave him a particularly tight squeeze, before nuzzling the crook of Shawn’s neck just to emphasise his point. This, made Shawn let out a very distinct squeal. Then, there was a silence, a silence that was very nerve-wracking for Shawn. Meanwhile, Robbie was just processing what he’d heard… and he broke out into a sweet grin of realisation. Shawn was ticklish. Robbie giggled gently, and started nuzzling his neck again slowly.

‘Uh ooohhhhh…’

Shawn spluttered and tried to break out of Robbie’s hold, but the zombie was remarkably strong. He was actually the strongest ego physically, but his personality always made people forget.

‘Woah heyheyhey g-gehet ohoff me!’

Robbie giggle, his nuzzling getting faster as he cooed.

‘Shawny tickliiiiish!’

‘N-No I-I aham nahahat!’

Shawn insisted, but it was pretty obvious since now he couldn’t stop his deep stream of giggles. He couldn’t remember the last time he’d been tickled, so it was like all his nerves were waking up from hibernation… which meant he was very sensitive. Robbie was so happy! He thought tickling was one of the best things in the world, so Shawn being ticklish was just so perfect! He nuzzled happily, and let his lips leave tickly whispers against Shawn’s skin.

‘Giggle giggle giiiiiggle!’

Shawn let out an embarrassed snort, trying to scrunch up and figure out a way to get Robbie off him before this got out of hand… but there was nothing he could do.

‘Y-Yohohou shuhut ihihit!’

Robbie let out a little gasp, and then decided to playfully nibble Shawn’s neck and growl.

‘Grrrr! Rude Shawnies get niiiiibbles!’

Shawn yelped and suddenly hunched over, letting out a stream of snorts as he started to cackle. This wasn’t just because Robbie was nibbling his neck though. At the same time, the zombie had decided to wriggle his fingers into Shawn’s stomach, sending ticklish jolts through his whole body as he exclaimed.

‘WOHOAH-HEYHEY QUIHIT IHIHIT!’

Robbie giggled, his tongue poking out through his teeth as he beamed.

‘Awww tickly tummyyy! Yaaaay!’

Robbie focused all his energy on giving Shawn’s all the squeezy tummy tickles he could muster. Each squish and wiggle made Shawn yip and jump in his chair, his hands scrabbling weakly at Robbie’s as the toymaker’s pale face grew very pink. His eyes were getting watery too… he hadn’t experienced this in a very long time.

‘STAHAHAPPIT YOHOU LIHITTLE SHIHIT!’

Robbie laughed brightly at Shawn’s swearing, and scribbled at his tummy harder as he cooed.

‘Swearies baaaad, swearies get puniiiished!’

Shawn writhed in the chair as Robbie really dug into his toned stomach, leaving no hidden nerve un-tickled which was slowly starting to drive Shawn crazy. Also Shawn suddenly realised that so-called “punishment tickles” were officially his kryptonite. As soon as Robbie mentioned him being punished, his cheeks went from pink to red and he suddenly felt so small and flustered… and honestly, he didn’t hate it.

‘IHI’M SAHARRY DAHAMMIT IHI’M SOHORRY!’

Shawn babbled, trying to see if Robbie would show his any mercy. Robbie cocked his head down at Shawn, and could see that he’d spent a lot of energy from being tickled, and so he decided to ease up for a few moments. He still kept him trapped in the hug though.

‘Shawny suuuuper sorry?’

Robbie teasingly asked as Shawn caught his breath. Robbie gave him time to fully recover, and beamed when Shawn looked up at him with a bashful, nervous smile. He’d never seen that look on Shawn before, and he frickin ADORED it!

‘Y-Yeheheah…’

Robbie giggled, letting his fingertips ever so slightly twitch against Shawn’s quivering tummy.

‘Proooomise?’

Robbie teased, and Shawn’s smile widened as he squirmed in his seat; it was so maddening not knowing whether Robbie was going to go to town on him again!

‘I-Ihi prohomise I swear I swehear!’

Robbie’s grin widened, and he decided that he would give Shawn mercy… after one last little tickle.

‘Pinky promiiiiise?’

Robbie teased, but instead of offering Shawn a pinky finger, he instead wiggled it into the man’s fleshy side, just for a second. He never could have anticipated Shawn’s reaction. He let out a sudden hyper-ticklish shriek, and arched himself so intensely that he broke out of the hug, and launched himself from his chair onto the floor! Shawn clutched his side as Robbie gasped, immediately looking over him with worry.

‘Shaawwwn? Sh-Shawn o-okaaay?’

Robbie was scared he’d accidentally hurt him, but when Shawn rolled onto his back, Robbie could see he was still smiling. His eyes were wide with embarrassment as loose giggles came from his lips, and he cleared his throat bashfully as he muttered.

‘Y-Yeheah… uh… y-you uhuh… kindagotmyworstspot.’

Robbie beamed with relief, and giggled down at Shawn.

‘Sohoooorry, Robbie more carefuhul next time.’

Shawn felt butterflies in his stomach at the thought of a next time… that was another thing he hadn’t felt in a while. Hugging, smiling, laughing, tickling, butterflies… so many things that Shawn had thought he’d grown numb to over all the years of being alone. Turns out, he could feel things just as keenly as everyone else around him. He smiled up at Robbie as he spoke quietly.

‘Thank you Robbie.’

The zombie beamed, because he could see from Shawn’s face that he was feeling properly happy on the inside, and that made Robbie happy. Then, the zombie grinned and flopped on top of Shawn, nestling into his chest with a giggle.

‘Cuddles now!’

Shawn let out an “oof” and a little laugh, looking at the cute snuggly guy amusedly.

‘Here?’

Robbie nodded up at him, and Shawn raised an eyebrow.

‘On the floor?’

‘Uh huh!’

Shawn snorted and shook his head, before sighing happily and wrapping his arms around Robbie warmly.

‘Ahh what the hell.’

Robbie let out a delighted squeak, before burying his face into Shawn’s chest as they both relished in the warmth that the closeness provided. Not just in terms of temperature, but also that very particular warmth you get when you realise that someone loves you. Shawn had that. As Robbie relished in the soothing musk of wood and coffee that clung to Shawn, Shawn smiled… and just enjoyed the warmth.

WOOOO HOPE YOU GUYS LIKED THIS FIC LEMME KNOW IF YA DID WOOOO LUV YOUS!!

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