#hirs

[gonetoheaven]

living the dream one waking nightmare at a time

#SO GOOD #HIRS #HIRS collective #anthony green #pain chain #we’re still here #music #Bandcamp

[callmeblake]

Trust the Process ft. Frank Iero and Rosie Richeson​/​Night Witch

I just paid for this so I can have it always.

#frank iero #HIRS collective #trust the process #music #HIRS #Bandcamp

[innovacancy]

HIRS Collective Mayday, Providence, RI 10 May 2023

#hirs collective #HIRS #get better records #mayday

[idiotcoward]

The Hirs Collective - We’re Still Here

Folks! My friends. Fine people of Tumblr. Metal and Punk enjoyers of all stripes. Boy do I have a fucking record for you. This one comes from Queer Power Violence Collective HIRS straight out of Philadelphia. This thing is so fucking good and oh my God is it just impressive song after impressive song and I mean that’s happens when you get some of the most talented artists in the scene to help. Hmm let’s see we got members from My Chemical fucking Romance, Soul-Glo, Melt-Bannana, Screaming Females, Converge, Thou, Full of Hell, uhh the fucking Body, Sunrot, Escuela Grind, GHÖSH, and that isn’t even EVERYONE!!!

Seriously this is like the fucking 1992 Men’s Olympic Basketball team. I mean this is a star studded affair baby. Fuck Hollywood. This is my tinsel town. This whole thing is a plodding epic of power violence, hardcore, Jesus some sludge, rapping. I mean what do you want? It’s got it baby. Definitely definitely definitely listen to this record. It just came out a few months ago and it’s been on repeat for me and it should be for you. How often does a group of incredibly talented artists come together to make something beautiful.

#now listening #album recs #music recs #music #grindcore #metal #punk #powerviolence #queercore #queer music #queer metal #queer punk #punk rock #cybergrind #The Hirs Collective #HIRS #+HIRS+ #transcore #power violence

[soberfructosecornsyrup]

The Hirs Collective’s We’re Still Here on black in blue and clear with pink splatter with a 7” flexi

This album has gotten a lot of replays since it dropped this year. It might be my album of the year.

#The Hirs Collective #Hirs #Vinyl

[hate5sixofficial]

HIRS 2023-02-18 Trinity Church Asbury Park, NJ

#HIRS #Trinity Church #hate5six

[musicmakesyousmart]

HIRS / Jenna and the Pups / Hank V

Sisters in Christ

2022

#HIRS #Jenna and the Pups #Hank V #Sisters in Christ #covers #compilation

[ugurkilicofficial]

Merhaba 🖐️ Ahlâk Ve Ahlâkî Kavramlar Yaratılışta İnsana Nasip Edilenlere Tâbîdir. İnsan, İnsanlığından Uzaklaştığında Nefsinin Esiri, İsteklerinin Kölesi, Özgürlüğün Delisi, Hırslarının Kurbanı Olur. -Uğur Kılıç- #uğurkılıç #ugurkilic #ahlak #kavram #yaratılış #insan #nefs #istek #özgürlük #hirs #vs #yasamkoçu #istanbul #psikolojikdüşünceler #psikolojiksözler #kisiselgelisim #insanolmak https://www.instagram.com/p/CgKTvAND7YV/?igshid=NGJjMDIxMWI=

#uğurkılıç #ugurkilic #ahlak #kavram #yaratılış #insan #nefs #istek #özgürlük #hirs #vs #yasamkoçu #istanbul #psikolojikdüşünceler #psikolojiksözler #kisiselgelisim #insanolmak

[atypeekmusic]

The HIRS Collective (HIRS) - We're Still Here [FULL ALBUM] ☆☆☆☆☆

#youtube #hirs #atypeekmag #lgbtq

[terrorcouplekillcolonel]

#hirs collective #hirs #grindcore #show #flyer #show flyer #grind

[handstandrecords]

Got a few copies of the @hirs666 / @thou_band split in the shop! ❤️ This vinyl-only split from powerviolence/grind band HIRS Collective and sludge/doom band THOU is an homage to Nirvana. Almost 40 minutes of pure '90s grunge worship. LP comes with a bonus 7″ that has two more cover songs! ➡️ Order the vinyl at handstandrecords.com . . . #thou #hirs #hirscollective #split #nirvana #covers #coversongs #grunge #sludge #doom #vinyl #records #instavinyl #vinyligclub #recordcollection #recordcollector #getbetterrecords #vinylcollection #recordsforsale #vinylforsale https://www.instagram.com/p/CopeRT0rkLG/?igshid=NGJjMDIxMWI=

#thou #hirs #hirscollective #split #nirvana #covers #coversongs #grunge #sludge #doom #vinyl #records #instavinyl #vinyligclub #recordcollection #recordcollector #getbetterrecords #vinylcollection #recordsforsale #vinylforsale

[ratmans-notebooks]

fellas is it transmisogyny to acknowledge that transmascs are oppressed

#squeaking #you are alll so fucking stupid. god bless #looked up genderkoolaid in the tags by accident instead of clicking on hir blog and oh boy! #yall sure have some opinions huh! #transandrophobia

[shiresome]

DOODLES TO FIND OUT HOW I WANNA DRAW THE DUDES

#I HATE THEM BOTH #im onna pull my hir out #i ams o sick and i can only think of th ehorors #raiden'= #raiden #fujin #mortal kombat #mk #fanart #shire art #i love angry lightning man and his disney princess of a brother

[coolestfinch]

a collection of self portraits done by the revolutionary leslie feinberg. via flickr

#everyone should go through and look at all hir photos #that polaroid made me wanna cry #my post #lgbt #leslie feinberg #transgender warriors #sbb #stone butch blues #butch lesbian #ftm #transgender #trans #butch/femme #minnie bruce pratt

[magidoggie]

A LOOK INTO SHI/HIR PRONOUNS AND THEIR ORIGINS

So I’ve seen people claim that shi/hir pronouns are intersex exclusive (mostly intersex people), and others say they aren’t (mostly non-intersex people)

As an intersex person, I've been confused about this for a while, so I decided to look into it

THIS POST WILL CONTAIN NSFW TOPICS, FURRIES, TALKS OF FETISHIZATION OF INTERSEX BODIES, AND INTERSEX SLURS!

Most of the users of these pronouns seem to be non-intersex people, but there are also intersex people who use them.

I've seen a decent amount of intersex people say that shi/hir pronouns are only ours to use, as they were used against us (like a shortened version of he-she). This would make them basically slurs that only we can reclaim.

I've even seen some claims that Geoffrey Chaucer himself coined these words?? (The chaucer thing, I haven't been able to find a source for. Even so, it is most likely just an old spelling of "she/her")

I’ve seen people say it originated on 4chan. It'd be hard to verify, as 4chan is known for not keeping threads up for long. There are 4chan archives, but I've tried my hardest to look for any combinations of things like "shi" and different terms that could work with it like "intersex" "freak" or "hermaphrodite" . I don't doubt it's been used on 4chan, but I can't find much, and archival sites don't go back far enough.

Regardless, the pronouns seem quite old. One thing I did find under the search of ""4chan" shi hir" on Google, was a.. descriptive post on a furry porn website called e621.net

Okay, 13 years ago, that's a start. It certainly contains the word "herm" (short for hermaphrodite), and the word intersex used with this pronoun.

Godspeed TheShadowfox42 I hope you found the image.

Using Google's "Before:(date)" feature, I searched "shi herm before:2010", and unsurprisingly, I found a lot of furry porn.

Stories on sofurry.com, a furry website that looks to be from at least 2007, if not older. I'll spare you the details, but indeed, there, they use shi/hir pronouns for their "herm" characters. Did these pronouns originate from.. furries?? I put that though aside for now, to look further into other uses.

As it turns out, the journey does not end at 2007. Urban dictionary has an entry from 2003

No slurs here, it looks like a neutral usage. Again, going back to Google. Now, search terms "hir "gender neutral" before:2004"

Many results show up now, now articles rather than furries. American.edu (seems to be a university), Swarthmore.edu (this is a college), both from 2001. jstor.org with a journal article from 1999. Unfortunately I can't read that one, as I have to pay a whole $63 to purchase it. I even found a PDF file from 1994 by core.ac.uk

But, what I've realized now is this is not usage of shi/hir pronouns. All of these use Ze/hir pronouns. I don't know if there is any link, but the last pronoun looking the same must've obscured the results.

From the american.edu article on these pronouns. You can see the usage of "hir" alongside "ze", and below it, the usage of ze/zir pronouns, which seem to be used more today.

Shit.. Doing the search all over again with the pronoun "shi" yields.. very few results apart from people talking about Chinese words.

Wait what about those furries from earlier? The tvtropes.org article does include this:

Chakona space? Chakats? Pronouns he came up with? Admittedly I kept seeing these centaur feline hybrid characters come up quite consistently during this dive, but I had to look into it further.

Oh buddy what did I get myself into. This is from 2001 best I can tell, so we're getting quite old here. I scroll down on the page.

And lower down.

Now this is all very interesting speculative biology, but what I'm focusing on is again, the usage of "hermaphrodite" together with the pronouns "shi/hir". Did a furry artist named Bernard Doove come up with these pronouns.

It gets yet older.. New search, "chakats "shi" before:2001"

Again, Bernard Doove's art from 2000, 1999, 1998,

I find a website called yerf.metafur.org It has furry art, dating all the way back to the mid 1990's, but here, on December 23 1998, is the first appearance of these pronouns on that site.

This Bernard Doove person has been at this project, with these pronouns for a while.

From what I can tell, many of his art pieces, they seem to be quite sexual beings. Quite fetishistic of hermaphroditism at times. (or intersexuality, take your pick)

The other thing I found with my search was a website, furry.org.au/bosshoss/

My search says it's from September 14 1998.

That's certainly some information, but it might come in handy. So Chakat Goldfur provided this website? Who is that? Looking into it, that seems to be a character created by Bernard Doove, that acts as an alter ego. Further down, the person running this website lists some other websites they enjoy. One being "Proxima Centauri", which seems to be another furry artist.

"I met this one at ConFURence 8. Very interesting. (Did I mention shi is a hermaphrodite uni-centaur?)"

(For context, ConFURence is a furry convention held in 1997)

Again, the usage of hermaphrodite, and the pronoun shi. At this point, the website being linked to is long gone, but the wayback machine provides help. The website, http://www.spots.ab.ca/~unicorn/main.htm has been captured all the way back to October 8th 1997.

At this time, the website was under construction. No images are willing to load and haven't been archived, but the description is intact.

So this person uses shi/hir pronouns for their hermaphroditic character all the way back in 1997. There are links to other places where this person used to host their works, but they are all down and haven't been archived. The thread is running thin..

Back to Bernard Doove, the Chakat creator. There must be something more to this. Turns out, there was. On the "yerf" website, I actually found several art pieces that were not picked up by Google.

Febuary 22 1997. Getting yet older. In some art pieces, Bernard references "Forest Tale" and "forest tales", so I went looking for whatever that was.

1995?? you've got to be kidding. It's an adult story involving these "chakat" beings, and sure enough, down the page

Shi/hir pronouns used over and over again.

With the use of hermaphrodite.

But.. This is kind of where it ends. I couldn't seem to find anything older, and I'm not going to contact Bernard Doove over this. Even something as old as 29 years is impressive to me. Bernard Doove states his characters were inspired by other furry artists' creatures of the time, but since it's 1995, there isn't much left for me to find here. Anything before that time is probably lost.

With all the information I have been able to gather, it looks to shi/hir pronouns were created by Bernard Doove who is a furry author and artist. Shi/hir were made to be a midway between "she" and "him" in some way, to be a gender neutral word for hermaphroditic genetically modified beings called "chakats" in his stories. As an intersex person myself, I don't enjoy the use of "hermaphrodite" in such a way, as it's a slur for us. But these types of characters also seem to be very old, and we, and our struggles, were completely unknown to the vast majority of people, even moreso than nowadays.

If you use those pronouns for an intersex person who doesn't use them, it is indeed intersexist, as you are implying we are hermaphrodites.

But as for whether only intersex people can use them? I'm not sure. The original intent doesn't seem be directly linked to intersex people. You could argue that these hermaphroditic characters are fetishized versions of how many people see us, and have seen us for a long time. Afterall, hermaphrodite was, and still is, a common slur for us.

I don't doubt some people have used these pronouns as slurs against us as well, but I also haven't found anything specifically that supports that. It always seemed to be for specific fictional characters that COULD be based off specific intersex attributes

I'm not going to argue one way or the other. This was just me trying to find what I could about these pronouns and their history. Just be mindful of how you use these pronouns, and the connections they have to fetishes revolving around the common misinterpretation of intersex bodies (as in, "having both parts")

Thank you for reading.

I hope you learned something. I know I did, and I now have a headache.

#shi/hir #pronouns #history #internet #intersex #fetishization #furry #queer history #doggie barks