#higurashi gou spoilers

[hesbianhojo]

Guilty

So Satoko only fully “loops” once in my AU before coming out to Rika and avoiding the rest of SotsuGou, however this means the chandelier scene did happen and given that he starts dating Rika by this point the guilt she feels starts becoming overwhelming and constant. This manifests in a new version of his witch self taunting him so like pain :)

#tw blood #Higurashi Gou spoilers #higurashi #when they cry #satoko houjou #amara art #satorika ag au #she doesn’t know Rika loops btw

[nbmahoushoujo]

although it’s never addressed in the story as far as i remember, i like the detail that when rika grows up she’s still short compared to not only satoko but also other girls their age

height gap satorika very cute, etc, etc. but the thing about rika is that she’s been a kid for so long and she’s expressed that she wants to grow up physically, so for her to grow the least out of her peers is kinda funny

#millie.txt #higurashi #higurashi gou spoilers #i doubt it really matters that much to her in in the grand scheme of things #but i can imagine a little jealousy when satoko starts getting taller than her #that's just my headcanon though #there is also a line or two in the original where she's like ''i'm gonna grow up and get boobs!'' #which is obviously uncomfortable but when you see the difference between grown up rika and satoko. yeah thats funny

[hopeymchope]

I haven't fully watched the new Higurashi yet (you can include spoilers for OG higurashi and the sequel in your answer, it's fine!) but from what I've heard and seen myself, Satoko was extremely out of line towards Rika and nothing Rika could've done could justify how Satoko basically abused and tortured her. The fact that they reconcile at the end puts me off because how can you forgive someone who forced you to relive your worst traumas?

*MAJOR SPOILERS FOR 2020-2021'S "HIGURASHI GOU" AND "HIGURASHI SOTSU" ANIMES HEREIN*

I wasn't sure how to speak to this Ask because the Ask itself is a massive spoiler (and obviously it's possible some people here might not be wanting that), but it's also Anonymous. So I have to answer it publicly if I'm even gonna respond. I guess I'll just roll with the huge spoiler warning there, put a bunch of spoiler tags in, and hopefully that'll do enough.

God how I hate Gou and Sotsu, though. *sigh* It's not the sequel story I hate the most out of any sequel ever, but it's definitely one of those sequels that... any time I go back to the original, it's tainted by the knowledge of what canonically came later. It'll never not be damaged by these things. Taking a story that had a beautiful and satisfying ending for decades, then going back to add a new sequel that not only undoes the triumph of that ending complete but ALSO radically reinterprets one of the beloved characters into a villain now is just... SUCH a "fuck you" to everybody who ever loved the original.

There’s nothing like hugging it out after 100 years of physical and psychological torment.

But that long-ass video I recently linked to also taught me a lot of things about how it turned out the way it did — and where you can go to get a better version of the same basic tale. Though even then, I still have a lot of misgivings.

For starters, I learned that franchise author Ryukishi07 wrote down the basics of what was supposed to happen in every arc and the overall narrative for the anime team at Passione, and then he let them handle the details. The actual scripts were handled by the writers at Passione, and Ryukishi07 said he was frequently shocked and surprised by what they did in the storyboards and scripts. He wouldn't have written things that way himself. But because he A) believed they were the experts when it came to animation, not him, and B) has always embraced other creators coming in and giving their own narrative spin to the 'When They Cry' multiverse, he always signed off on/approved anything they showed him, no matter how much it deviated from his own vision. Which, I'd argue? Was a big mistake. Because when you're giving us the first official full sequel to such a beloved story solely in anime format - there's never going to be any other "Ryukishi's version"? That means you need to make sure the characters are being done right and the events make sense. You need to make certain it's all true to that original tale. No, maybe this isn't the medium you're comfortable writing in. But that doesn't mean you can afford to look the other way when you think "Wow, that's completely NOT what I intended" over and over.

Secondly, I learned much more about the manga adaption of "Gou" and its own unique take on the sequel — which is called Higurashi Meguri. By the time Sotsu was finished airing, the "Gou" manga was just wrapping up, and the mangaka embraced the opportunity to do take the same framework and tell a version of the story that is significantly different. The result is that the manga is much more in line with the characters and tone of the original story than the anime was, because the author has seen how much the anime didn't work and is able to course-correct in a million small ways. The same basic events are there, sure. But it's all about a hundred times better-handled so far. 

HOWEVER... there are some flaws that are going to remain inescapable. When you end one season/series on a cliffhanger that you proceed to ignore for like 13 episodes before you get around to dealing with it in the second season/series? That’s stupid, and it’s an example of something kind of inescapable in the structure of the damn thing. More importantly, as far as I'm concerned? The entire concept of this sequel was doomed from the fucking jump. Getting a version with better writing and better motivations and more believable actions on the part of the characters is GOOD, sure, but that doesn't mean it's not STILL a huge "fuck you" to have these basic events take place at all. Y'know? Like, I respect Meguri, sure. But I still don't particularly WANT it.

...this is all a really overlong lead-in to my point, which is that: In Gou and Sotsu, they sometimes try to imply that Satako isn’t really in control of her own actions, Or at least, the Satako we’ve always known isn’t in control? There’s seemingly a new, second personality in there - a “witch” who may or may not have been brought into existence by her interactions with Eua inside the sea of fragments. (And again: The whole “a god-being inside the physical domain of the the sea of fragments is communicating with Satako to cause her to become corrupted” is something I find inherently bad and dumb that you can’t really ignore in this story.) So this arguably removes some degree of guilt from Satako? (This is heavily muddied by how the storytelling handles the whole “Dual Personality” aspect in a bad way, but that’s another can o’ worms.) 

On the flip side, the alternate telling of these events in the Higurashi Meguri manga takes this idea much farther, making it far more blatant that Eua damages Satako’s mind against her will and forcibly manipulates Satako into her new corrupted form. Satako is far more of a victim in Meguri than she ever is in the anime; it’s obvious that she’s not in control of anything anymore. She’s just a puppet that Eua is using to ensure that Rika continues to be “interesting.”

So I guess my point is, yeah, I get what you mean about the anime in particular. I guess this is supposed to be an exploration of how their relationship became too co-dependent, but it really just makes Satako look like a psychotic asshole. But in the manga? Well, Meguri isn’t finished, but at this point, I can far better understand why someone would forgive Satako in THIS scenario. It really isn’t her fault that this happened to her OR Rika. 

#higurashi spoilers #higurashi when they cry #higurashi: when they cry #when they cry #asks #anon #hiugurashi gou #higurashi sotsu #higurashi meguri #higurashi gou spoilers #higurashi sotsu spoilers

[rokkenjimaisland]

this w the implication of lambdabern but mostly gou-sotsu satorika.................... "that person is mine. i wont let them get away. i wont let them out of my sight." whew

#ren liveblog thread 3 #red truth #umineko spoilers #higurashi gou spoilers #higurashi sotsu spoilers #?

[2stregafangirl]

If in a hypothetical Higurashi Sotsu sequel Satoko references the past two seasons by saying something like this I’ll be laughing my ass off.

#higurashi #higurashi gou spoilers #higurashi sotsu spoilers #Satoko Hojo #pesterquest #Homestuck #Higustuck #meme #shitpost

[trashcan-train]

#higurashi #higurashi no naku koro ni #satoko houjou #rika furude #higurashi spoilers #meme #higurashi gou #my meme #train posts.

[mochasucculent]

Meguri panel redrawwwwww

#higurashi #higurashi meguri #higurashi no naku koro ni #satoko houjou #ride furude #hnnkn #wtc #when they cry #screenshot redraw #higurashi gou #double posting today cause i am cheering for myself for actually finishing a drawing several days after starting it lol #meguri spoilers #higurashi meguri spoilers #fanart

[asleepygremlin]

Was supposed to post this like a week ago but the demons started to come for me I was feeling a bit eepy :p

Anyways guess who has a hyper fixation :D

So the teal mask dlc made me think of a certain scene in my favorite series higurashi when they cry so I present this drawing I made:

Kieran screaming in the style of the higurashi liar scene

Original image:

this post here by @jadeazora only added more fuel to fire for this idea but man if he actually screamed it like this it would be terrifying D:

Please gamefreak if Kieran gets voice acting have his Japanese va scream USODA at the top of their lungs

#pokémon kieran #kieran pokemon #kieran #pokémon sv #pokémon scarlet and violet #Pokémon sv spoilers #Pokémon scarlet and violet spoilers #pokémon teal mask #Pokémon teal mask spoilers #higurashi #higurashi when they cry #my art #art #i like how it turned out especially the eyes #also it looks more like the higurashi gou anime version whoops #apologize for it being extremely messy

[cartyrs]

My Higurashi When They Cry collection is on Etsy! Ft. my piece from “Fragments of 1983″

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[lightprkdraws]

Guess who started reading higurashi meguri

#higurashi #higurashi meguri #higurashi gou #higurashi sotsu #satoko houjou #higurashi no naku koro ni #tw blood #tw weapon #higurashi spoilers #sketch #doodle #yanderecore

[rubberduckyrye]

Struggling to sleep but I've been seeing rumors that Dottore will be playable and get done kind of redemption arc like Childe and Wanderer.

Problem with that.

One: Childe never got a redemption arc. Hes just a very charming character who is a likeable antagonist. But also, as the 11th harbinger, hes still just a cog in the machine. Always has been.

Two: Wanderer's redemption is less about "redeeming" him and more about how this poor fucking guy couldn't catch a break and eventually he snapped, was manipulated and abused and tortured for centuries and is an allegory for abuse victims in general who acted out in horrible ways but are on the path to recovery after finding someone willing to let them have that safe space to do so. I see this less as a redemption arc because even as "Scaramouche", he HAD kind traits associated to him (like according to some lore he was kind to kids and elderly folk) so this story is about rehabilitation and recovery and less about redemption.

Three: While rehabilitation is overall the ideal for criminals rather than harsh punishment and imprisonment, when you have a character like Dottore--who, if Wanderer/Scaramouche is an allegory for an abuse victim in recovery--then Dottore is an allegory of an abuser. And not just any old abuser--a serial abuser. A selfish man who is arrogant and likes to hear himself talk who all lives in danger for his selfish aspiration for experimentation. A man who does not care for children or elderly people, only for himself... you can kind of see where I'm going with this. These are two very fundamentally different kinds of "bad"--Scaramouche was a bad person, yes, but he wasn't what I personally would consider to be "evil". Then you have Dottore who is evil, borderline a predator in behavior and in practice. I don't think he has any right or reason to be doing what he is doing.

As in. I havent seen a whole lot of redemption arcs for these kinds of characters done right. That's a big point of concern.

Another big point of concern is, I'm sure Dottore has his reasons for doing these things, it has yet to be revealed what those reasons are, aside from "Mad scientist wants to do horrible science" and for his own selfish gain.

His motivations don't line up for a redemption arc is what I'm getting at.

I really hope HYV doesn't. Try to redeem Dottore. Like I really hope they don't try. Just make him playable as he is people love a fucked up mad scientist you dont need to make every playable character the Traveler's friend PLEASE for the love of god.

And it's not that I dont have faith in the writing team to tell a good story (well... I dont exactly have full trust in them after the disaster that was the Sumeru Interlude Quest, but that's beside the point) but I have. Literally never seen a character who is a symbol of evil (i.e. the man has no redeeming qualities in personality, no apparent kindness or even willing to change his ways) redeemed in a good, tasteful, and thoughtful way. Like ironically I think the closest I've seen was... Teppei from Higurashi GOU/SOTSU. And that was incredibly muddied by the fact that Satoko herself became that kind of "evil" that wasn't truly redeemed by the end. Even that left a bad taste in my mouth.

So I just hope Dottore, if hes playable... idk. Don't try to redeem him, I don't think it's possible to redeem characters who symbolize the peak of humanity's "evil" so I don't want HYV to try. Like either keep him to be a terrible awful man or give us a fresh new Segment gone rogue who doesn't have anything like that attached to him.

It would be FAR more interesting of an allegory to me if they went for the latter route, actually. Kind of like, a family member of that "irredeemable evil" who now has that tied to them as a sin of the person they are related to but not themselves guilty of. It could be fun to see how HYV would treat such a character, and if done right, it could be a really fun way to explore how people (especially victims) often associate family members of abusers to the abuse they carried out but actually had no part of.

Anyway that's my 3AM rant of the day. I have Insomnia. Can you tell?

#Dottore #Il Dottore #Scaramouche #Wanderer #the wanderer #Genshin Impact #Higurashi GOU/SOTSU #Yuuto Wrenn #spoilers for Higurashi btw #its more of a mention but still worth noting

[gabbyp09]

#oficial art #spoilers #manga makes more sense #they are doing justice to shion #wtc #higurashi when they cry #when they cry #wtc series #higurashi no naku koro ni #higurashi #higurashi meguri #higurashi mei #higurashi gou #7th expansion #ryukishi07 #ひぐらし業 #ひぐらし卒 #ひぐらし巡 #ひぐらしのなく頃に #ひぐらし #even satokos actions makes more sense #hnkn #this should be the anime #shion sonozaki #sonozaki shion #hojo satoko #satoko hojo #satoko houjou #satoshi houjou #houjou satoko

[nbmahoushoujo]

i can’t be 100% sure it won’t go downhill at all until it’s actually finished, but i’m pretty confident in saying at this current point in time: if you watched higurashi gou and sotsu and felt let down or disappointed, please read the manga!!!

#millie.txt #higurashi #higurashi gou spoilers #satokowashi was SO much better and made satoko's change feel more natural #and the sotsu arcs are off to a great start

[mxblurryface]

it’s good to have friends who will check up on you

#higurashi #higurashi gou #higurashi spoilers #higurashi sotsu #satoko houjou #higurashi satoko #higurashi rika #rika furude #higurashi when they cry #when they cry #higurashi meme #when they cry meme

[everythingbaku]

Not bakugou related but I've just finished Higurashi Gou and there one scene that has been bothering me since.

(spoilers below the cut)

At the end of Sotsu we get a single scene with Satoshi waking up from his medically induced coma. After he stumbles out of bed thats all we get of him. It's supposed to be a happy ending or something close to it with Higurashi. But there's no way that will be a happy ending, even with his syndrome cured. He's been asleep for at least 6 years and in this world his uncle, changed as he is, is still there. His little sister is now in her teens and he's missed the better part of a decade. Not to mention all the stuff he did and was put in a coma for in the first place. Would he confess to beating his aunt to death? Would he even accept teppei in his life? How would he even go about living, now that he's lost so much time. Sure it was only 6 years but that's a lot when he was only like 15 himself when he got to L5.

I know it's something so small but with a show and VN like Higurashi the little things really do matter.

#higurashi #higurashi gou #spoilers #im just blabbing at this point and no one in my usual circles watch horror stuff so ive got no one to talk about this with

[penisincorporated]

To be fair neither do I

#I REFUSE to believe there was not a SINGLE other subject at that school she was actually good at #like St. Lucia is not entirely math. You're a fucking liar #higurashi no naku koro ni #higurashi spoilers #higurashi gou #higurashi sotsu #like HOW