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ambarraquel · 7 minutes ago
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Is official now!! they’re girlfriends for sure! 😍😍
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Like just look how Happy Juleka looks! 😍😍
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And the way she so tenderly holds Rose :’) it just melts my heart!  😭😭😭🥰
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Rose and Juleka 4 ever end game! 😤🥰
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The way Juleka smiles when she’s with Rose! PURE SEROTONIN 💜💜💜💜💜✨
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flightfoot · 12 minutes ago
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There’s a weird disconnect here between what Ladybug is SAYING and what she’s DOING.
Like she’s TALKING as if Chat Noir just tried to turn himself into Reflekta, tried to swim into the guilt bubbles or something of that nature.
But that’s not what he’s doing. He’s activating Cataclysm and bringing it close to himself. 
And Ladybug KNOWS he’s not trying to destroy the bubbles or something like that - she was scared when she saw that, and latches onto his arm to prevent him from destroying himself. 
I think on some level she realizes what Chat’s trying to do to himself - that’s why she intervened like she did. But she’s not prepared to deal with what that means. With the idea that her friend, her partner, is suicidal right now. That’s a lot to put on anyone, ESPECIALLY a kid.
So she pretends to herself that he’s trying to do something less threatening. Something less profoundly worrying. That he’s just giving up and giving into Guilt’s power, that he might lose his Miraculous to Shadowmoth.
It’s kinda like during Gang of Secrets, how Marinette kept trying to PRETEND she was fine, both because she didn’t see a way to improve the situation so she might as well try to pretend things are ok, and I suspect in a vain hope that the world would somehow comply and MAKE things ok.
Though I think it’s actually helpful here; reframing Chat’s actions here to just “giving into Guilt” and treating it as that, at least verbally, seems like it’s getting Chat out of the suicidal headspace.
Makes me wonder whether Ladybug’s been given more reasons to worry about her partner’s psyche, to realize that he has some heavy emotional baggage he’s carrying that he normally tries to hide, in the episodes that came before this.
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milkiest-of-teas · an hour ago
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we might not have gotten JuleRose calling each other girlfriends but can we talk about this scene??
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Like Rose entrusted Juleka with this secret and it helped them bond! I think it's very cute how much faith they have in each other and how caring they both are. Soul mates, am I right?
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blueberryscent · an hour ago
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I don't understand people who hate Marinette because she's still crushing on Adrien.
come on, if she can't have a relationship with him doesn't mean she can't have a crush on him at all. she still has every right to be thirsty over him, she just can't do relationship because of her secret identity.
imagine yourself on her place. you won't be able to forget your crush that you have loved for a really long time right on the next day. you're going to need weeks, even months. then why do you demand from Marinette that she will keep a romantic distance with Adrian when so little time has passed? let's be real guys, it's not that easy
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overworkedunderwhelmed · 3 hours ago
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So some people think Pigella's powers are useless, huh?
Strength comes in many forms.
How quickly we forget Chat Blanc.
I think anyone watching who is rooting for Ladybug and Chat Noir to win realizes the path for Adrien is going to be rocky.
Even if Hawkmoth doesn't get the secret intel on who is hiding behind the mask, Adrien still has to find our everything else that nearly destroyed him that day. Though she tried, Ladybug couldn't reach him, but joy and showing him his dearest wish actually might.
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milkiest-of-teas · 3 hours ago
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I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS
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These two should have totally kissed in this episode. I mean look at THEM
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There was just so much tension between these two T^T
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toujoursmiraculous · 3 hours ago
Just wondering how you've never picked up on juleka and rose dating when they've continously been insinuated to be a couple I mean are you secretly Adrien " just a friend " agreste XD
I already addressed this in the post this ask is coming from, but I’ll go into it a bit more and clarify. I’ve always seen how people ship them, but I never saw it that way myself. Because I picked up on some things that don’t typically fall with romantic couples. I could tell throughout the show that there was something about their bond that was different, that wasn’t romantic and wasn’t them just being BFFs.  After Zombizou I wondered if there was something going on with Rose because of Juleka’s reaction and Rose trying to assure her she was okay, but at that time I didn’t think the show would actually go quite that deep, but it really pointed in that direction. Knowing now that Rose has been sick and Juleka’s role was always to protect her, to care for her and be her support, the things I picked up on that didn’t seem to fit with what we knew of them, makes so much sense to me now, because there really was more going on than something as simple as a romantic or platonic relationship. Julerose is so different from almost every relationship I’ve seen in anything, ever. And I think regardless of romance or if they’re just best friends, their relationship is very special and should be appreciated. So I’m not sure why it matters whether I’ve “picked up” on it or not, nor do I understand why you’re joking about me being in denial like Adrien just because my view is different from yours, because my experience is different from yours. Regardless of the reason, I don’t see how anyone would have good intentions reaching out to someone that they don’t know to joke at them because they don’t see things the same way as you. But I’m sure you didn’t see Juleka and Rose the way I do and probably didn’t pick up on the over-protectiveness that goes along with someone close to them having an illness or disability, because you’ve probably been fortunate enough not to be in such a situation as Rose is in, and as I and many others have.
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lils-of-the-valley · 3 hours ago
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Sorry y'all, I know I'm late, but I didn't have time yesterday. So HERE ARE MY THOUGHTS AND REACTIONS REGARDING GUILT TRIP LETS GO!
Why am I not surprised that Rose had an imaginary friend that was a unicorn in 6th grade?
And she's so small, I want to hug her
She's so positive, I need that in my life
Juleka is so worried about her girlfriend :(((
Oop-- Mari, maybe that wasn't a good idea
Juleka, no, baby.....
I know I say this every time, but fuck Hawkmoth
The heart vision, I feel like it's been so long
I love how Mari can just turn off her nervousness because her friend's wellbeing is more important than her crush
What the fuck is that sketch place they're going in
The fuck is that portal thing???
Adrien is so kind and sweet, I love him
Oh, it's a boiler room
I know they're all worried about this chronic illness and that they are teenagers, but breath kids, deep breaths, you're all going to panic and I don't know who it will hurt more: yourself or already devastated Jules
Kim is such a dork, I love him
I love all the kids, that's no secret and I will never hide it
The class is so tight-knit, that's so sweet. They all care so much about each other, I wish we were like that growing up
HA HA GET FUCKED HAWKMOTH
Juleka is freaking out and I get it because they said they wouldn't treat Rose any different, but baby, I need you to breathe. I'm sure Rose loves to hear this, it's honestly really nice to be told that people care about you
See, she's so happy
Ok guys, maybe y'all are laying it a little thick here
MARC!!!!! BABY I MISSED YOUUUU
An apple a day keeps the doctor away?
Ok, Rose's like squinty "You're hiding something from me" is really cute
Aww, we stan an honest girlfriend
We really didn't have enough Rose content until now. I love her so much??? I love how positive she is about what she's going through and how she's not having any of the class's overprotective shit, all while not telling them off
The group hug!!!!
The fucking panic at a sneeze.....
I feel so bad for Juleka. It's not your fault, baby
"betraying a best friend" I think you mean girlfriend, sir (I know, I know, they won't make it canon...)
Can they not become new akumas? Because honestly, I do not like Reflecta
Miss Meldieve (idk how to spell her name) being sucked into the blackhole should not make me laugh so hard
There's something unsettling about the goob balls being spit out and I really don't like it. Makes me a little uncomfy
Yeah, the goobs makes me very uncomfortable. Should I talk to my therapist about this?
What Chaton gonna self destruct???
Rose to the rescue!!!
She doesn't have the magic of a magical girl wand, she has the power of positivity!
THE LADYNOIR FLIRTING!!!
Did LB's suit power up?? I really like this new suit. Highkey wanna make a new LB cosplay with that design now
THE POWER OF JOYYYY
Daizzi is so cute, omg
ROSE HAS THE CUTEST MIRACULOUS HOLDER OUTFIT!!!!! I WANT IT!!!
That was so simple, we need more than those
Well shit, there's angry amoks
Ok, this episode had a simple solution to things. That's a nice change.
Wait, LB has that power now to give protective charms?? That's amazing
Aw, the class is back to normal
Ok, so final thoughts. I actually really enjoyed the simplicity of the episode, no big physical fights. I like the mental/emotional battle of the episode! And positivity always wins! So, remember y'all! You're awesome and I love you!! You might be feeling down, but don't give up! Positivity isn't always easy, but you can manage it, even if it's a little thing! I believe in you and so does Rose! LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!
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gale-gentlepenguin · 3 hours ago
I have two theories after watching the new episode and I would love to hear what you thing :
First, I believe that Ladybug can only give those Akuma- away charms to those she defeated. You have to become an Akuma villain before you receive it. And that’s why Ladybug cannot give them to everyone.
Second, I believe that Rose’s power is the most powerful and useful one. Hawkmoth/Shadowmoth akumatizes people by using their negative emotions against them. Rose is the COMPLETE opposite of him. She makes the negative emotion go away, she literally negates Hawkmoth powers!!
First. I think you are right. it would make sense so I think that has to be the case.
Second, Debatable, but I do think its more useful then we think it is. Especially if it can be used to help a person fight akumatization.
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alexseanchai · 4 hours ago
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sing me to sleep (269 words) by AlexSeanchai
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: Miraculous Ladybug
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Characters: Rose Lavillant, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Alya Césaire, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir
Additional Tags: Episode: s04e11 Guiltrip, Chatting & Messaging, Insomnia, Canon Disabled Character, Pokemon References, Season/Series 04 Spoilers, Adrinette | Adrien Agreste/Marinette Dupain-Cheng, Podfic Welcome
Summary:
lavieenrose: If you're awake anyway, could you distract me?
marinettedesigned: uh. if you were a Pokémon trainer, who would your Pokémon be?
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rose-is-actually-tikki · 4 hours ago
That’s good. I actually have a chronic illness myself: Epilepsy. My friend and I think epilepsy is what Rose has, as the symptoms perfectly match each other.
The point of this blog may be to disregard canon to the point of absurdity, but I would never treat something so serious as a joke.
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rose-is-actually-tikki · 4 hours ago
Dude....Rose has a chronic illness....
Rest assured that even though this blog is entirely satire, I’m not gonna make fun of Rose’s health condition.
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pink-horns · 6 hours ago
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My main girl Rose can cure anything with sheer willpower and positivity
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[ID: A series of pictures showing Rose fending off the guilt bubbles through her positivity, while there is a blast of pink light followed by a pink glow around her.]
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yeet-noir · 6 hours ago
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I just love how Rose has glitter on her super suit like that is such a cute touch for her character.
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buggachat · 7 hours ago
spoiler. did ML just. *build in* a bury your gays trope? is that what i'm hearing? or is fandom so distracted by sparkles and the astronomical four other wlw cartoon rep in the last decade that they won't acknowledge how malicious this is? i've been waiting my whole life for creators to kick the habit, it's not edgy! it's guaranteed multiple seasons of a mutation of queerbaiting, with more hooks than bait
Malicious? Rose was just shown to have some sort of chronic illness to teach the kids that watch the show to treat people with chronic illness with respect. The illness itself wasn’t specified, and we have no idea how dangerous it is— but from what it seemed to me, it’s something that Rose is managing well and regularly sees the doctor for and is okay. Juleka was very worried for her because she loves her, but we have no reason to believe that Rose wont live a long and happy life. 
To be clear, the illness was just a vague “she gets headaches a lot..... and sometimes has to go to the doctor. she’s had it since she was a kid. it’s possible it could get bad but she’s doing well and managing it. she doesn’t need to be treated delicately.”
I wouldn’t consider it bury your gays if nobody actually dies?
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the-ladyblog-2000 · 8 hours ago
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Love the suit but honestly I hate the hair. It reminds me of 60′s Barbie or this Bratz Babyz  😅 Not exactly the same but just reminded me of it. Also Cloe’s animal is also a pig  😆
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huge-enthusiast · 8 hours ago
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Me trying to not see the spoilers like
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toujoursmiraculous · 8 hours ago
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Thoughts and Reaction to Guiltrip!
Alright, so this one is a bit more of a serious one for me. But I'll be going in order of the episode so the more serious talk will be a bit further down! First thing we get is this lovely moment:
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I've already addressed it in a post, but I'll say it again here. Guiltrip is episode 11, several episodes take place before Guiltrip that we haven't seen yet, so this is awhile after Marinette and Luka broke up. We also know that Marinette has always had feelings for Adrien, even when she was with Luka. Luka always knew that fact too. None of this is new and is to be expected, obviously, when Love Square is endgame. But! I also want to point out here that this is just a soft look. Very gentle, very common. I see people looking at each other both in real life and in other shows all the time. A look that says "I adore you". And I think it's sweet! Very subtle, but enough. Something's wrong with Rose. We never get told (in this episode anyway) what it is, but it's a chronic illness that's a worry in Rose's life, ever since she was young. I feel really bad for Juleka, knowing that her friend's been struggling with an illness, and whenever something happens she has to worry about it alone. Also that really sucks when you try to cheer somebody up and make a joke, that because you were mislead about a situation you end up making things worse. Poor Marinette. :c Adrien when he realizes he's bumped into someone (and the pink bubbles to remind us of Marinette's feelings for him):
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Adrien when he realizes just who it was he bumped into!:
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Scroll up now and look at how Marinette was looking at Adrien earlier that day. It's the exact same look. Yet, something feels different from usual to me, idk. But continuing on. Marinette gets slightly jumbled with her words, but manages to give herself a kick and says nope not now! Good for her! You can't expect to change overnight, but she's working on it.
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She looks to the side, gathering her surroundings for a split second and she misses the top step. I'd like to say that this is just a joke for the show but well, this kind of thing has happened to me a lot because I'm that much of a klutz so I feel for her here. (On Halloween I forgot that there was another step as I was walking down as I wasn't paying attention. I couldn't walk on my foot for 2 weeks. It's a serious problem, guys. Really. xDD) Marinette had told Adrien she's concerned it was something she said that upset Juleka and Adrien tells her while sometimes she doesn't make sense, what she says is never mean. This scene reminds me of when Ladybug's worried about something and Chat Noir's there to keep her grounded and remind her of how things really are. I very much appreciate seeing such a scene with Adrienette! Makes the Love Square much more rounded. Also the way he stops her and says let him go talk to her to try to help the situation and any possible misunderstandings from taking place. ;-;
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Can I just say... oh my gosh. He went from determined, to hearing Marinette trying to comfort her, to looking with confidence "This girl is amazing." and the whole Ladynoir vibe I'm getting from this scene makes me happy. The thing that's unrealistic about this scene though is you expect to tell me that 8 kids went down those stairs and came up behind them and Marinette, Adrien, and Juleka didn't hear? XD Now here's where the serious comes in. Rose is hospitalized with an illness we don't know about, but has been a long-term thing that has Juleka really worried a lot. That must be so stressful :c I'm going to be honest and say I never really saw Julerose romantically. Like I can see how people do, but to me, I could see that their bond was really unique. It didn't really fit completely in the "BFF" category either. But if felt like there was more to them that I didn't really understand. I think the best example off the top of my head was during Zombizou, when Rose was going to help Chloe after she slid down Chat's stick and she went too fast for him to catch her. Juleka seemed especially worried and concerned for her. Rose never seemed to get concerned about Juleka in the same way Juleka was about Rose. Juleka's always been more protective and worried and it was always one of those things that made me go "hmm, interesting". Now this episode finally explains why and I'm honestly super glad for it. Because this kind of a relationship is not a common one in media, especially kids media. Partially because having such serious illnesses in young people is not particularly common, and having someone who's so caring and protective of that person is even less common. And most people probably don't realize how amazing it is to have health problems and then have someone in their life who acts like Juleka does for Rose. I had a life-threatening illness as a kid, one that still affects me greatly today. When in school, my friends knew about it without me having to say anything unfortunately, and while they didn't usually treat me differently, sometimes they were pretty ignorant and didn't understand why I wasn't "normal" like them. They asked questions that were harder ones to answer, and tended to forget my answers. I got a lot of "I know you have X problem but I still don't see why you can't..." as well as thinking I was lying if I said I wasn't well and couldn't go to a party, and that was hard to deal with, being limited in what you can do which makes you different and being judged for things out of your control. So seeing these kids who only know something's wrong with her, but are willing to do so much to make her life better and happier, not judging her at all, wanting to take care of her no questions asked was really heart-warming for me. I only had one friend during that time that was anything close to this. I never had to explain anything to him if I didn't want to. He never asked me personal questions I didn't want to answer. And he seemed to know what he could do to make things for me easier if I was having a hard time without me ever saying so. And this is another reminder to me that this show is aimed at kids. To show kids that they'll likely encounter someone around their age that's going through something serious like a health problem, and what that kid needs most is kindness and not to be made to feel like they're even more different from the other kids than they already feel. The way they handled that aspect of it for such a short, limited intro to it, I think they did good. I discussed this next bit with a friend. She mentioned it first, the trope where those with chronic or serious illnesses are usually an "inspiration". With this episode, you kind of get the feeling that because Rose's been through so much, she's therefore a really positive and bubbly person and it kind of gives off the vibe that if you don't view things the way she does, then you're not doing it right. "What matters isn't the problem, but how you handle it." While I agree with this, and that when you come out of or regularly deal with
such hard times, automatically trying to see the world better and brighter can easily happen, but it's not exactly realistic either, at least not to the extent Rose and other people the media has portrayed. For one, I think you have to have always been more of that kind of person from the start to realistically be so positive. As my friend said and I agree, positivity is just who Rose is, she's not who she is just for the sake of a trope. But honestly, when you've gone through something so difficult, and if life continues to throw you more difficulties on top of it, being positive so much can sometimes turn into a negative and be harmful too. When you've been through a lot, it's important to allow yourself to feel the negative too because it's part of dealing with such problems. And if you've been through a lot in life and you haven't come out of it being all sunshine and rainbows, always looking on the brighter side of things, that's perfectly okay. Life's hard and tends not to work out how we'd like, or even for the better sometimes. If being positive and hopeful after struggling is hard to do, you're not bad or wrong for feeling that way, everybody handles things differently. c: ANYWAY, moving on to the rest of the episode! Juleka being all irritated and worried that the class was going to expose her spilling Rose's secret xD While the situation isn't ideal, it's nice that this is the most involved she's seemed with everyone in the entire duration of the show. But Rose knows something's up, and I love that she talks to her about it and realizes that she should've told everyone herself instead of Juleka being the only one who knew. Which has been such a burden on her. (Oh no, what if this is a reflection of Alya knowing Marinette's Ladybug later on? I'm hoping not.) Ugh these children and how much they care about Rose! These kids are the absolute best. But then they kind of ruin it a little with going overboard. Which, frankly, I think is just ignorance of her situation really. I mean, we don't know what exactly is wrong with Rose. Just that she ends up in the hospital. If they knew about her condition, what causes her to get sick, what to look out for, etc, they'd be much more informed and much less likely to be frantic whenever something's not perfectly "normal" with her. All of these kids are going to be overprotective parents someday, aren't they?
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Okay so like... are Adrien and Marinette going to question at all how Ladybug and Chat Noir showed up immediately after Juleka was akumatized, and no damage had happened outside of the school for it to be known to the public? Literally the only ones that could've possibly known were the class to have shown up that fast. ??? I am confusion. "I can't help my best friend face his father." "No, Nino..." Two things: The fact that THIS is what he's feeling guilty about? My poor Nino! Dx I just love him, he really doesn't get enough love and appreciation imo. Also, um, isn't Ladybug like right by Chat? Didn't she hear that? What? Idk but I feel like we're really missing something here. Usually we get things that are kind of hints, that make us wonder if they know right, but this? This is a bit too blaring-in-your-face, and there's two major things so close together. Really strange. Chat about to use Cataclysm on himself. Good grief that was not expected. Chat Blanc threatened to destroy himself along with everything else. Now Chat Noir while affected with negative emotions from an akuma almost Cataclysmed himself. This show really is getting deep and dark isn't it. o.o Also is there something Adrien needs to work out with someone...? Daizzi and Rose saying the other's so cute, ugh they're both so cute! And Pigella's costume and transformation is so adorable omg. Okay so Pigella's power allows people to see their biggest wish, the thing that'd make them the most happy and feel positive emotions. I know some people probably think "That's it?" Considering that Shadow Moth preys on people's negative emotions, such a power is actually extremely useful facing Shadow Moth. (And let's not forget, that while that's her power, she has the ability to fight and make a difference just from being transformed too) BUT AWWW Juleka's wish! And her face when Pigella said it aloud. ;-; Am I the only one wondering if Pigella may someday use her power on Shadow Moth and that's how they learn his motive? I'm so impressed with how Rose knew how to handle everything. She knew she can't slip up with Juleka. She knew to sneak away to detransform and come back as Rose. She knew to subtly give the Miraculous back so nobody would ever know she had it. Even Chat Noir had no idea! I don't know why, I'm just so very proud of that. "She doesn't need a Miraculous to be a superhero." She really has the characteristics of one, and I can't wait to see more of Pigella. Also I'm really wondering. This scene here:
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All the kids that are part of that friend group are there...except Marinette and Adrien, of course. Alya knows why Marinette isn't there. But is she wondering about why Adrien isn't there too? LOL Marinette being like "I'm taking your pillow back, sorry! Gotta wait for it like everyone else." and the boys being like LE GASP. Marinette's right, she's not fragile! The fact Rose jokes with her and makes everyone laugh, and Chloe saying "Hey, why doesn't everyone laugh when I say something like that?!" Adrien: Because in your case, it's never a joke. Chloe: Hm, that's true. Which is super funny, especially how he just so casually says it. But also it really shows again how Chloe wants to be liked. She wishes the kids would laugh when she makes comments, but it's because they're said in a serious/obnoxious way, instead of making light of something like in Rose's case here, that they don't. I know she talked about it with Ladybug in an episode, but it again shows that that's what she'd like. All that needs to happen is someone helping her get there. Maybe Zoe and Luka will somehow help with that later on. Anyway, this was a really great episode! I feel like some things might not make quite as much sense as they should if we got it in order, but what can you do when Gloob has to air them? Even a friend of mine who's been doing what she can to avoid spoilers, still got spoiled. She's having to delete tumblr to avoid future spoilers because people can't help themselves and tag things properly. So thanks Gloob. :P All we wanted was the episodes in order. We've waited this long for S4, we can wait a bit longer. But they gotta make money I guess. I'm glad other countries are trying their best to keep it in order anyway. c: Guiltrip also has some really great Adrienette moments, and covered a more serious topic which was really interesting and shows how much the show's changing. Especially with some of the choice of camera angles and movements! Like the zoom-in on the door with Adrien and Marinette, the boys LE GASP scene. Very cool artistic choices! Looking forward to the episodes that come before this one to try to help fill in some of the gaps! And apologies to those that frequently read these posts from me, I started writing it up late and couldn't finish so you get it the day after instead. xD
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