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thisonetimeinmeridian · 8 months

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Honestly? Still kinda ticked Gendrya didn't end up together and that all the surviving Stark children were BY THEMSELVES at the end of the series even the whole point of their story was their love for their family and wanting to find their way back to eachother

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glassheartstonesoul · 5 months

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I just watched the GOT finale and I’ve got a lot of opinions but one thing I hated that I don’t see talked about enough is the direction the writers took sansa in I love that she’s queen of the north but her apprehension with daenerys was smart and justified yes at times it seemed like she was determined to hate dany but overall sansa was right so who cares the thing that makes me mad tho is that originally sansa’s reasons for disliking dany were out of concern for the north she didn’t have an ulterior motive (despite many characters thinking she did although I personally believe she didn’t) but later when bran became king sansa was insistent on keeping the north independent because “the north can’t bend the knee to anyone anymore” when in reality the north would be happy to bend the knee to one of their own to a stark !!! it made it seem like sansa’s motivations for keeping the north independent were actually born out of her own thirst for power when I feel like sansa isn’t power hungry or at least not that power hungry sure she wanted to be lady of winterfell which she should be and deserves to be but to go as far as making yourself the queen ??? i’m just pissed that they made her look power hungry instead of an intelligent and now grown up woman ready to accept her duty as lady of winterfell which she should’ve been !!!!!!!

#sansa stark #queen of the north #GOT #GOT finale #game of thrones #game of thrones finale #GOT 8 #game of thrones season 8 #GOT season 8 #GOT 8x6 #game of thrones 8x6 #house stark #asoiaf #asoif/got

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the-wanderer · 27 days

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I know Season 8 (and Season 7 somewhat) of Game of Thrones is widely hated, as it surpassed the books it was based on and failed to deliver, but we did get some good moments, such as -

• Arya wiping out House Frey - Tell them The North Remembers. Tell them Winter came for House Frey

* Samwell Tarly healing Jorah Mormont of greyscale

* Arya sees Nymeria again

* The poetic justice of Cersei killing Tyene in front of Ellaria Sand in the same way she had Myrcella killed

* Tell Cersei, I want her to know it was me - Olenna Tyrell

* House Stark reunion

* Arya trains with Brienne

* The Battle of the Goldroad

* The Exposure and Death of Littlefinger

* The Lone Wolf Dies, but the Pack Survives line

* I enjoyed Daenerys and Jon's relationship (at least before she went mad and he killed her)

* Jon riding a dragon

* Talking about Jon and Daenerys - 'You gave up your crown to save your people. Would she do the same...'

* Knighting Brienne

* Sam giving his family sword to Jorah

* Sandor saving Arya in King's Landing. Showing her that revenge will be the death of her, but she has a chance to leave and live.

* The Hound Vs The Mountain (Cleangebowl) {that's what we mean by it doesn't have to be a happy ending, as long as it's satisfying and true to the characters}

* Destroying the Iron Throne

#game of thrones season 7 #game of thrones season 8 #game of thrones finale #game of thrones #game of thrones hbo #hbo game of thrones

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theatresteph · 5 months

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I’ve been seriously disappointed in my favourite shows over the years, and I feel like a big reason for that is because the writers try to pull off a tragic ending without understanding what a tragedy truly is.

TL;DR: the endings of GoT and The 100 weren’t tragedies, they were character massacres.

The reason that people loved Shakespeare’s tragedies when they were first performed is the same reason people still love them today. Why Romeo and Juliet is particularly beloved and remembered as the Shakespearean tragedy. It’s the same reason the Greek tragedies have been told over and over for centuries, have been studied by countless scholars and performers.

This is the basic definition of a tragedy, as written by Britannica:

But it’s far more than simply a character enduring sorrowful events. It’s the character enduring the events with a sense of hope or purpose.

It’s easy to create suffering in fiction, creating conflict is the basis for a narrative arc.

The hard part is balancing the suffering with hope, creating circumstances and decisions that push the character away from their desired goal, forcing them to either adapt or break.

A hero’s journey typically ends with the character adapting and self-actualising so that they find their internal needs, which often allows them to gain their external wants in turn. Hero’s journeys often have happy endings, but a hero can have a tragic ending if the writing has sowed the seeds for their tragedy throughout the plot.

R&J is such a great tragedy because the heroes are both victims of their circumstances, and active characters with flaws that leave them vulnerable to poor decisions. They are lovestruck teenagers trapped in a society where their families hold power over them and having any kind of relationship will get them killed, and their own naïveté prevents them from seeing too far outside the bubble of their love, from comprehending the many ways their plans could go awry and get themselves or others hurt.

A tragedy feels like a perfect storm; just the right balance of circumstances and choices to create something heartbreaking.

I feel like The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is a great modern tragedy because Coriolanus Snow has all the makings of a hero yet has a limited amount of empathy, and his circumstances and the decisions he and the people around him make chips away at that empathy until he chooses to give up empathy entirely, to become the cold and chilling President Snow we know and hate from The Hunger Games. The audience feels the very moment he becomes the villain, and that journey is tragic.

Now that we’ve established what a tragedy is, let’s talk about what it very much isn’t.

It isn’t the characters suffering over and over again with very few moments of joy only to eventually die or end up alone for stupid reasons that don’t follow the natural arc of the story.

It isn’t showing the audience that there’s more to life than survival only to have the characters kill each other for stupid reasons and be judged by a higher power that has no empathy for their circumstances.

It isn’t taking the time to get the audience to understand the complex emotional and practical reasons why the characters make heartbreaking choices only for a deux ex machina to decide their fates for them.

It isn’t making the audience root for the characters for good reason only to turn around and say that they were secretly becoming evil/crazy the whole time when none of their actions in previous seasons supported that.

As I said before, tragedy is a perfect storm; it’s created from the beginning, it’s planned and executed by the writer so that the ending makes sense and feels appropriate. The writer sows the seeds of the characters’ downfalls so that the circumstances and decisions fall perfectly into place to create an ending that breaks your heart yet feels inevitable.

That’s the most important part; the inevitability. It has to feel as though any other ending would be impossible because it would be in complete defiance of who the characters are and the circumstances of the plot.

That’s why I will never take the TV endings to Game of Thrones and The 100 seriously. There are so many ways that the characters’ actions were contradictory to who they were. The writers had them making choices that didn’t make sense within the circumstances of the plot or within their own established identities.

The fundamental difference between good writing and bad writing is consistency. You can have a character make a bad choice if it’s consistent with their character, if it feels like something they would do. You can have a sad, depressing ending if you have already established the plot as being inherently sad and depressing.

The moment you lose the consistency is the moment you lose believability. And claiming your story was a tragedy all along won’t fix that if you didn’t write it as a tragedy to begin with.

I’m sick and tired of these terrible endings masquerading as tragedies. These writers wouldn’t know tragedy if it stabbed them in the back.

#tragedy #shakespeare #the ballad of songbirds and snakes #game of thrones finale #romeo and juliet #anti the 100 season 7 #had to get this off my chest

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hopefulmusicforpunk · 2 years

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So, I rewatched game of thrones again. I have some thoughts...

The first time I watched the ending I was beyond angry and mad, to the point that everytime someone brought it up I would say we don't talk about game of thrones in this house. And I know it was a dramatic reaction but that's because I got incredibly invested in this TV show. All I was left with was anger.

The second time around, knowing what was coming was a bit different. I'm genuinely sad and disappointed now, there's no more anger.

I remember thinking after first watching the last season how could you do that to your characters? Characters that you've grown, developed, gave challenges to, made them overcome said challenges, only to destroy that development in one fell swoop. What king of writer does that? A shitty one.

Because, here's the thing. I'm not saying they're shitty writers for making their characters into something I didn't want them to become. They are shitty because of the way they executed it. They did a shitty thing because they only thought about marketing potential and audience numbers and shock value. They said they did this because people wouldn't expect it but here's where they were wrong.

George RR Martin wrote Dany with the intention of turning her into the Mad Queen, placing well written foreshadowing in the books. In the show, at time were shown her cruel side, showing no mercy towards her enemies. And if it was done right, I believe it would have fit with her storyline, her going mad. I also believe it's what George RR Martin would have wanted. But this? We were given no reason no explanation no nothing. It wasn't a high stake situation where she didn't have a choice. She wasn't in the middle of an emotional breakdown where she wasn't thinking about her actions. I know she lost two of her dragons, Missandei and she was betrayed by people close to her, but it somehow still doesn't feel justified enough. She just sat atop Drogon looking at Kings Landing and cold blooded decided to murder anyone, without a point whatsoever. This seems out of character for her. Someone who treasured the lives of innocent people and tried to protect them. They really did her dirty. I get that they felt like she needed to turn mad, but they could have done it a different way.

And now, to the point that is truly heartbreaking for me. All this time I wasn't the most angry that they practically made Tyrion useless in the last season, or that Bran becoming king came out of left field. No. What I was most angry about, and now just sad, was Jamie. How could they do that to him? Initially, I thought that you build a character like that, you make him go through trials to prove his character, to make him become a better person all around only to destroy everything in a few seconds. Now, upon my re-watch I don't even know what to think. They made it seem like he would have never felt truly happy in the North or that there was something missing and that going back to his sister was inevitable. But all that happened with Brianne... She saved him just as much as he saved her. And the respect Jamie carried for her, was rare for him. He didn't bestow that to many people. So seeing how easy it was for him to hurt Brianne and leave her like all they've been through fell short in comparison to his sister, truly left me heartbroken.

So, I guess what I'm saying is I understand why they made their choices. But what I don't understand is how they were allowed to execute them this poorly without being taken down the moment their shit spewing mouths opened to these horrendeus ideas.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk!

Edit because I don't know how to reply to comments. When I said that GRRM wrote Dany with the intention to be make her the Mad Queen in the books I was referring to a lot of the actions that would make her cruel. The show didn't talk about how the only reason she took Astapor was for an army, and when Drogo and the Khalasar were enslaving the Lhazareen, she had no problem selling those people into slavery, and when she started to become uncomfortable with the carnage, she told herself, "this is war. It's the price of the Iron Throne." The books also had her murdering children during the sack of Astapor. The show didn't talk about how Daenerys didn't want the entire caravan of people from Astapor and Yunkai following her, or the fact that when she took Meereen, the bodies (of slaves, freedmen, and masters alike) were piled so high that it took her hours to get into the city. They didn't talk about her torturing the wineseller's daughters or enslaving freedmen once she became queen. And they didn't talk about how Dany treated Irri. I'm not saying these are grounds for making a character mad in general. I'm just saying that specifically in this instance GRRM making Daenerys mad in the end would be somewhat justified.

#game of thrones ending #game of thrones #game of thrones season 8 #game of thrones finale #D&d eat shit #D&d hater #george rr martin #Third graders could have written a better ending #jamie lannister #daenerys targeryan #house of the dragon #tyrion lannister #got

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dimplecki · 7 months

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#game of thrones #supernatural #dexter #lost #how i met your mother #worst series final

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sporkteeth · 3 months

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i needed to get this out of my system that's all thank you

#im super late but im finally watching got #BRIENNEEEEE #game of thrones #brienne of tarth #my art #fanart #digital art #gwendoline christie

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demigoddessqueens · 2 years

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He’ll commit war crimes but look cute doing it

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idonsul · 10 months

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#this is really cartoony but i plan to go a bit more realistic in the future #ive been lurking on asoiaf tumblr and seeing all the art & finally decided to have a go at it myswlf #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf art #sansa stark #book sansa #game of thrones #idonsul

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lazzzyscummm · 10 months

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- it’s yours. it will always be yours.

#braime #jb #jaime lannister #brienne of tarth #game of thrones #I’ve finally figured out how to use tags on this app #jaime x brienne

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the-wanderer · 27 days

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after city surrendered if Daenerys had just destroyed Red Keep and Cersei with it we might have forgiven her, but can't get why she went around burning and destroying the entire city of King's Landing

#game of thrones #game of thrones finale #queen daenerys #daenerys targeryan #daenerys stormborn #daenerys targaryen #kings landing #the battle of kings landing

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emry-stars-art · 2 months

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Children of the Moriyama-Day thrones ✨

I’ve been putting off an explanation for the kingdom Evermore for FOREVER and honestly a lot of it is directly pulled from this post and some more chats with @snazzy-jas-z-is-a-fan-of (thank you ily you’re so smart)

So if you wanna know like 80% of the pre-timeline Moriyama-Day story, read on:

SO. In Evermore, at least amongst nobility, all importance is placed on direct descendants of family lines. Spouses to the royal family can claim titles if they so choose - the equivalent titles are reserved for that eventuality - but their children will always have higher titles than them (ex: the husbands of the Day line queens are not princes but instead something closer to dukes, while their children will be Day princes and princesses, as well as the reverse for the Moriyama wives). This means that every once in a while, if a spouse would prefer to live privately rather than subject themselves to the more stressful aspects of noble life, they remain only vaguely known by the public. This doesn’t happen often by any means, but it does give the royal family an excuse for why the father of Kevin Day has not made himself known.

Each generation has a shared title - the most fit and capable to rule will take the titles of kings and queens*, while their children are princes and princesses. The eldest of each family in the generation adds “high ___” to their title once a younger sibling is born. This is why even though Kevin is the younger between him and Natalie - the next Day generation - he is the heir to the Day throne because his mother was the elder sister. The names in pink are the highest ranking royalty of their generation, whom the throne is passed to.

*(Maybe Evermore retires their monarchs once they’re unfit to rule, or maybe the younger generations take them by force, thus proving they are fit for the throne. I could see it going either way tbh)

The Moriyama line here is continuing essentially as is usual and expected. There’s family members among each generation and the procession of power is in place. The Day family, on the other hand, has almost entirely crumbled.

Queen Shields left the throne of her own volition, taking her daughter Natalie with her. She left the throne and renounced her Evermore citizenship for reasons unknown to the public, though the Moriyama family brushed it aside as the whims of a young woman that clearly couldn’t handle the lifestyle. For this reason, even if she was to come back to Evermore, she would no longer be able to claim her place among the Day family. Her daughter Natalie Shields, on the other hand, was hardly more than an infant when she was taken, and so the Evermore nobility could not say she renounced her throne or her citizenship by choice. If Princess Natalie ever returned to Evermore and demanded her throne, she would have it.

High Queen Kayleigh, as we all know, has passed away. Her son Prince Kevin was raised beside Ichirou and Riko by the Moriyama family as the sole remaining member of the royal Day line. Though he and Prince Riko had always been close because of their age (High Prince Ichirou was at that age range and just older enough that he found littler kids and especially siblings to be “annoying”, the way kids do), as they grew up, Kevin realized that even if Riko was his best friend and brother, he himself had started agreeing more with Ichirou’s political views and ideas. Riko swallowed the Evermore ideals of “conquer and prosper” as any younger brother might. Kevin and Ichirou never had to fight for the power handed to them - they were beginning to see that those traditions were becoming obsolete, and there were better ways to expand and run a country.

Riko did not like the attention Kevin was suddenly getting from Ichirou.

So when Kevin said, suddenly and surprisingly, that he was going to travel before marriage - see what and who around them might benefit Evermore - no one could really stop him. He was by that point the Day crown. High King Kengo allowed it. (He wouldn’t have, had Ichirou not so strongly championed for the idea.)

Young king Kevin is not technically an Evermore deserter or traitor. The Moriyamas cannot prove that he is. But the longer he stays in Palmetto, the more suspicions arise that he isn’t there only on business, or even that he might never intend to return at all. The only way to take the throne from Kevin - destroying the Day line in Evermore for good - is for him to renounce his throne, or for war to break out between the two countries so that Kevin will be forced to pick a side.

(We know what side he’d pick, of course. His adopted brothers as well. The rest of the Moriyamas are fairly certain they know, and are growing severely impatient for the chance to label him a traitor.)

(This also leads to the idea that perhaps, if she found her way back to Evemore on an errand, all the lost princess Natalie would have to do is exchange her claim to the throne for a certain foreign prisoner’s freedom. Ichirou is always looking for ways to get rid of competition, and Riko’s lost plaything is not his to worry about. Kengo’s declining health makes it easy for Ichirou to pass off his word as the High King’s.

So the ex-princess is free to take Jean Moreau wherever he’d like to go. Or, when he says he doesn’t know, wherever she thinks is suitable.)