Tip for ex-Christian/culturally Christian pagans & such:
This does depend a bit on what type of belief system you’re getting into - but one thing you may need to work on is dismantling your perception of the divine as inherently hierarchical. This can include dismantling ideas like:
-A perception of sky deities as inherently more just, loving, and powerful than earth gods.
-The assumption that big, powerful deities are more deserving of your time and attention than local spirits/wights.
-The belief that transcendent deities are more worthy of your time/attention than deities associated with the earthly plane.
-The assumption that deities are to be obeyed without question.
-The belief that there is an essential difference between humanity and the divine, and that humans are somehow lowly, disgusting creatures. (A number of gods started out as venerated ancestors!)
-The belief that your worth/value as a person is defined by your relationship to a divine being and how faithfully you serve them.
-The belief that deities are inherently better than you, and are therefore entitled to hurt and humiliate you.
I honestly think that a huge number of people have just retained/absorbed the Christian concept of "any man who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart" and then assumed that that's what we mean when we say "objectification is bad."
And Eve loved her husband, as she was made to do. Although she did not know it; her days were full of servitude, and obedience. Not just to her husband, but also, god, who she believed to be good.
Who she believed was mighty and kind.
Who she believed knew her better than herself.
That he knew every thought before she thought it, that he knew every hair on her head.
That he had a destiny for her. So, surely all her actions were ... the right ones? Because in truth, Eve was as she was made to be.
The young woman’s curiosity was ripe. Riper than the pears and oranges and grapes. Riper than the trees, and the flowers. However, her faith never wavered, as she knew nothing else. Because everything she could ever want was before her.
The garden of Eden was beautiful. It was a paradise. (But whose paradise?) As she cooked and cleaned for Adam; he lay in the sun. Day after day, it was the same.
And when she asked god, “is this life?” he would say, “yes Eve, isn’t it good?”
It must be good? How could it be anything but? Adam would hunt while she foraged for berries. And when Adam came back empty handed, she would make something from her own findings.
This is good, she thought, every morning when the sun rose.
Now, there was one rule in The Garden; Adam and Eve must not eat the fruit from a particular tree. The reason? Unanswered.
And one day, an animal that Eve knew as a snake, told her to give in to her curiosities. That was all. The snake told her that god was all-knowing, all-loving. So, he would already know she would take a bite from this tree’s fruit.
It all made sense. Her destiny was known, and this was it. How could it not be? Because surely her life was not to live in servitude!
And so she ate, and it tasted good. Like no other fruit in The Garden. And when she did eat, it was if a part of her was unlocked. Wisdom... she had wisdom. This is what this tree was ... one’s way of gaining their own opinions, their ... their freedom. She did not need to rely on god for the answer, as now she knew them.
Eve ran to Adam, wanting him to claim his own autonomy. Hesitation was in his eyes until he looked into Eve’s. He trusted her, and so he ate.
When both gained clarity, god appeared in a mighty fury.
“The rule has been broken.” His voice boomed and chilled them, surrounding the two naked individuals as if they had been plunged into water.
“Yes. I broke the rule,” Eve stood forward, daring to face god. “And now I do not need to rely on you. Is that what the rule was for? So that you had someone who needed you?”
Adam was silent. Looking from Eve to god and god to Eve. He said nothing as the both of them were cast out of The Garden.
It took him a long while to understand Eve’s words. And a while longer when he realised that just like god, he too needed someone to need him.
people really act like abandoning/rejecting christianity just means not believing in god and then not put in any effort to unlearn cultural christianity
Many Christians often assume the worst of people before having empathy or curiosity.
The assumption is that if someone's not Christian, they're "living in sin," or doing something problematic or illegal. There's little room for questions and curiosity - they just assume the other person is in the wrong.
What's dumb about this is the fact that Christians demonize normal behavior. They take normal things, like a couple living together before marriage, and attach judgment to it. Their sense of morality and "correct" living often place normal activities under the realm of sin.
This is harmful. This not only cements the "them vs. us" mentality, but it limits empathy. Without asking questions and being curious, how can we learn about others? How can we develop a sense of love and respect for each other?
Additionally, the "correct" way of living differs from person to person and denomination to denomination. There's little common ground. Judgment flows if someone doesn't live according to your personal standard and you make that everyone's problem - and very few people align with you on everything in the first place.
Stop imposing your personal standard of living on others. It's harmful and ignorant.
It strikes me so odd that the God that "loves" me only wants me to go through tremendous amounts of turmoil, pain, and suffering, all in the name of "strengthening my relationship with Him." Why are Christians so obsessed with the idea that pain and suffering bring ultimate salvation? Why is it when I question God's will, Christians justify it by saying, "Oh, that was just His will for your life. That's His plan. He's strengthening you. That needed to happen to you?" Really? Truly? a God that loves me puts me through pain and sorrow to achieve His love? That doesn't sound very loving.
Another thing ex-Christians need to learn is that while it’s broadly true that other religions don’t work like Christianity, you can’t assume that all of the bad things you associate with Christianity have never been done by people belonging to any other spiritual tradition. For example, Rome practiced imperialism long before it became Christian, and polytheistic Greeks were pretty damn misogynist.
Again, it’s very much true that most religions do not work like Christianity, and you should never just assume that they’re all oppressive in the exact same ways that Christianity is - but don’t assume they’ve never done anything oppressive or cruel. You have to learn about what each religion has and hasn’t done individually, rather than operating on assumptions based in stereotypes.
I would really like to have a dialogue and maybe form a community with others who are recovering from negative christian church upbringings/experiences. I’m ex fundie, and was abused in the church, was “homeschooled” (not educated), and am far along in my recovery journey but still working.
Anyone, even if that doesn’t resemble your exact experience, ask me a question or share your story! Let’s start a dialogue. Anons are on if you need to stay stealth.
I won’t talk about this very much but Shiny Happy People was a fantastic documentary, and despite the anxiety and dread I fought through while watching it, it did help me to reckon with a lot of the harsher parts of my childhood