If you raise animals ethically and you kill animals ethically, that animal is given the best life it could possibly live given the inevitability of it's death. Quick, as painless as possible and when young arguably creates less suffering than by reaching old age/dying of many of the natural causes they could die from. How is this not an arguable point? The animal WILL die. The only other thing that contributes less to the amount of suffering accrued in an animal's life is if the animal were to not exist at all.
275 notes
·
View notes
When it comes to meat my thought process is, shit dies. we actively dont have a way of preventing that yet so we may as well make it as comfortable as possible. If I can put a pig down cleanly after theyve had a comfortable life I should be able to eat it. I also think its important to be thankful of your food. I am actively trying to cut more meat out of my diet however I think that shaming others for eating meat is cringe and ableist.
2 notes
·
View notes
"Bet you wouldn't eat meat if you saw that poor animal being killed in front of you" I did, and watched it being butchered, and ate that very meat 4 hours after.
If you don't want to be a predator, fine, that's your choice. But don't come at me with that guilt tripping bullshit, when meat is the foundation of my people's (Mongol) traditional cuisine. Ethical farming is in fact a thing, animals don't automatically suffer coz they are meant for eating. Blanket statements like one above only goes to show the true motives of the speaker and it's not "protecting animals".
7 notes
·
View notes
"Vegans have clearly never been to a farm because the animals are taken care of and all their needs are met! They don't know what they're talking about!"
I don't care!
Veganism is a completely different way of viewing animals. It's not about "let's treat them nicely."
Veganism is the belief that humans should not use the bodies of animals when they don't need to do so to survive.
Veganism means that because an animal can suffer and enjoy things, they deserve autonomy. Using that animal's body for your own gain, even if you try to do so in a way that's sensitive to their happiness and health, is exploitation.
Veganism acknowledges that not every aspect is accessible to every person in the very definition of the word: not partaking in the use of animals as much as possible. It's not erasing the need for systemic change, it's just people trying to live out their ethics consistently to the best of their ability.
You don't have to tell me about how nice the animals are treated. That's usually not true anyway but even when it is, I simply do not care.
If your idea of animal rights does not include the idea that animals should have autonomy then I'm not expecting this post to convince you, but if you talk about how nicely animals are treated or about how veganism isn't accessible to everyone, you're not "owning the vegans," you're just proving that you have no idea what veganism actually is.
283 notes
·
View notes
Fair Trade
By going beyond accreditation practices, consumers and companies can reach those at the bottom of the global social production ladder. Nonetheless, these efforts require purchasers to take personal responsibility for their impact, rather than relying solely on certifications. Simply by being more thoughtful and ethical in our sourcing practices, we have a huge opportunity to create brighter futures for all people and their families throughout the supply chain.
https://borgenproject.org/fair-trade-product-markets/
Despite many well-intentioned consumer attitudes, fair trade product markets frequently feature marketing strategies that conjure up imperialistic images [...]
[...] In products marked as fair trade, the certification might only apply to the product’s raw materials, rather than the full process of production. [...] A 2014 study theorizes that these practices are somewhat effective, “although on a comparatively modest scale relative to the size of national economies"
Social Media conversations about Fair Trade Practices:
[From user seriousxdelirium] - Like almost all other labels for coffee, it's absolutely useless. It only applies to growers large enough to afford the fees, and is not regulated well enough to make meaningful impact on the industry. If you really care about this sort of thing, do some research and develop an understanding of what you think a fair price is for farmers, and ask roasters what they paid for that coffee. Most good roasters are willing to be transparent about that sort of thing, and even publish transparency reports where you get a breakdown of the entire transaction.
From user Ramakrishna Surathu:
[...] Here are some reasons why fair trade may not always be as fair as it seems [...]
1. Market Access and Power Imbalances: Fair trade initiatives often focus on small-scale producers in developing countries, who may face challenges in accessing global markets and negotiating fair prices. Power imbalances within supply chains, influenced by factors such as geography, politics, and market dynamics, can limit the ability of producers to fully benefit from fair trade practices.
2. Certification Costs and Barriers: Obtaining fair trade certification can be costly and time-consuming for producers, particularly small-scale farmers and artisans with limited resources. Certification fees, auditing expenses, and compliance with standards may pose financial barriers and administrative burdens, leading some producers to forego certification altogether.
3. Limited Impact on Poverty Alleviation: While fair trade aims to reduce poverty and improve livelihoods, its impact may be limited by systemic barriers and structural inequalities. Addressing poverty requires broader social, economic, and political interventions beyond the scope of fair trade alone, such as access to education, healthcare, land rights, and infrastructure.
4. Market Volatility and Price Instability: Fair trade prices are often based on predetermined minimums, which may not fully reflect fluctuations in global market prices. Producers may be exposed to market volatility and fluctuations in demand, which can impact their income and livelihoods, particularly in commodity markets subject to price instability.
5. Complexity of Supply Chains: Fair trade supply chains can be complex and challenging to navigate, especially in regions with limited infrastructure and logistical challenges. Ensuring compliance with fair trade standards, maintaining transparency, and traceability throughout the supply chain can require significant investment in monitoring and management systems.
[...] Some manufacturers also use tricks. For example, some products do not explain exactly which part of a product was produced fairly. Another trick is to increase the percentage of "fair" ingredients by subtracting out the water content. The credibility is of course "fair watered".
[...] The statement here should not be that fair trade is useless, but one should always question things or understand them better and not just be blindly guided by seals in the purchase decision. Since this works so well, manufacturers like to use such seals or make one up themselves.
[...] rather than cutting out the middle man, and offering farmers a more direct compensation for their work, Fair Trade still facilitates a level of bureaucracy that supports an uneven distribution of revenue.
[...] The price point that separates Fair Trade produce from the rest of the market is often significant enough that lower-income households cannot afford to budget for it. This means that Fair Trade cannot reach mass markets in a way that would really effect wide-scale change, and instead serves as a token gesture to alleviate the guilt of middle-class consumers.
[...] [premium pricing coffee] is a worthy move if the coffee is of a high quality, but if it is not of sufficient quality to merit this price tag, then it risks turning consumers away from Fair Trade produce, and further impeding its reach to mass markets [...]
Fair Trade is a concept worth embracing, but first it must prioritize effective and transparent processes of production and distribution. What Fair Trade aims to achieve is admirable, but what it could potentially achieve is far greater [...]
7 notes
·
View notes
ive done some research on fur farms and have even watched videos of fur farm foxes being killed and i am still comfortable buying fox pelts and tails that originated from them, so my question is, would i no longer be considered a part of the vulture culture community because i also collect things that weren't found dead naturally? i also have things from animals that were hunted
7 notes
·
View notes