Russia Sushi interior is a mixture of two rooms of the Winter Palace in St Petersburg and I HATE IT also if it was just one room there could be a random fic scene where Izaya goes to a tour and feels a fucked up dejavu OR ITS JUST THAT EVERY TIME HE EATS AT RUSSIA SUSHI HE JUST KNOWS
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do we know if narita ever thought to put vorona with shizuo romantically at any point when writing any of the novels like he wanted to do with namie? was she ever intended be a love interest but he changed it last minute like with namie?
You know I honestly couldn’t tell you. I want to say Narita didn’t confirm or deny anything, but I’m like 85% sure the Namie idea was a true story but it got changed.
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Izaya and Shizuo really are like soulmates aren't they? These two idiots are too stubborn and dumb to see their happiness was staring right at them all along. I wonder if that's why they hate each other so much like... maybe they just have so many issues with themselves blocking their view of what they could be together so they take it out on the other. Idiots I tell ya lol.
*SLAMS HANDS ON TABLE* THEYRE DESTINED FOR EACH OTHER OFFICER.
They just can’t accept when something is GOOD FOR THEM.
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Does Shizuo even know that Vorona was an assassin who has killed people? Her innocence is long gone buddy lol. I mean how would he feel knowing she just straight up killed a bunch of people in the past and tried to kill some in the present (Anri, kidnapping Akane)? It's funny how he's willing to make exceptions for her transgressions but not Izaya like what? Was it because he got to know her on a personal level compared to Izaya? Platonically of course lol.
Honestly I’m not sure his opinion of her would have changed all that much. He’d just assume that since she’s someone he holds in high regard that any murder she committed was justified and therefore anyone she killed probably deserved it.
Another funny thing is that Kujiragi was that Jinnai Yodogiri hired Vorona to kidnap Akane, and he actually offers to listen to Kujiragi at the end of Ketsu in the novels. That’s two murderous women who Shizuo gives his counsel and understanding to. Despite the fact that they were the reason he was so pissed off before.
Yeah I’d say it’s because they worked together lol. But I also think that Shizuo has a little bit of gender bias that allows him to have more patience with women than men. And maybe he’s just incredibly bigoted towards Izaya because of their history but it’s been like that since basically the beginning with no true explanation lol.
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I love your meta "chief's kiss". What do you think was going through Shizuo's mind after he lost all coherent thought after "Abayo"? And if he actually succeeded in killing Izaya after coming out of that what would be the fall out? How do you think he would feel of killing Izaya? Would Vorona see him as a monster at that point and try and kill him?
Ummm probably something not dissimilar to Saika’s love love cut cut thing going on except it’s more like:
Kill, kill, kill, smash, crunch, blood, death, kill, kill, kill him, kill him, punch him, crush him to piece, kill, kill, k- you get it.
Umm I like to not think about what would have happened. He probably would have gone to jail or been on the run for a long time.
And Idk, probably empty? I don’t see how someone like Shizuo could possibly feel good after taking a life, no matter whose life it is. He would have heard that silence he was looking for but it would also be like. Grave. Mairu and Kururi would have lost their brother, and their parents a son. Shinra would have lost a friend. Regardless of how they may feel about him, I’m sure Shizuo finally succeeding in doing that wouldn’t possibly feel good. Not to mention, Kasuka probably would have felt extremely disappointed in him. He’d try to justify it to himself that he had no choice and all that but there would always be this voice asking him- as it does in canon, even with Izaya being alive- if it all could have been avoided if he’d just learn to tolerate him.
And nah I really don’t. She probably would have blamed herself and run away to hide her shame because she wasn’t able to stop him.
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Shinra and Vorona do some awful stuff to the people Shizuo is supposed to care about: I sleep. Izaya just breaths: This is a personal attack on me.
Oh God Autumn today’s not the day to get me worked up about Shinra. 😩
But yes this.
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"#if they were real i would warn anyone woman man or enbie to stay tf away" There's a reason Masaomi warned Mikado to stear clear of Shizuo and Izaya literally the first day he got there. They are known to be two of the most dangerous men in Ikebukuro they really do deserve the other not to mention each other's perfect match LOL!
Soulmates be like... let’s tag team and cause widespread trauma to others. 😌🌸
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what was it about vorona that put shizuo in a spiral like that? and why did he finally stop himself from killing izaya when she came into the picture?
Shizuo saw Izaya hurt Vorona (unintentionally) and it was the final trigger he needed to go after him.
He saw Vorona hurt Izaya on purpose and stopped what he was doing to help preserve her “innocence”.
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yeah that ketsu fight felt off to me because it's implied that what pushed shizuo so far to want to kill izaya was him using vorona or whatever. not to mention does shizuo understand the consequences of actually killing another human being even if it's his mortal enemy? like would he feel any remorse or guilt? because izaya being suicidal and forcing shizuo to kill him by any means necessary so he leave's a mark on his soul by him taking another life would it have the effect izaya thinks it would have on shizuo? I would hope so because it would make me not like shizuo after that. he can be a hypocritical character at times but this would be taking it too far for me.
I don’t think Shizuo was thinking about anything in particular in that moment. I think he just wanted to noise in his head to Be Silent and his mind just attached that to the one person he attaches everything bad to because Izaya is a hatred blame-reflector magnet. He just takes in all the animosity and ire or the whole show and so that means he has to take Shizuo’s too.
It’s funny you say that because after Vorona tried to attack Anri (and failed), she wasn’t working for Izaya anymore, she was working for Jinnai Yodogiri and then Kasane Kujiragi. The thing *sort of* implied is that Izaya dropped those steel beams on Shizuo and Vorona pushed him out of the way and got hurt (pointless action was pointless because Shizuo 99% likely would have been fine) and that sent Shizuo into a spiral. The novels pretty much state that Shizuo’s “Abayo” is the last coherent thought he makes for the entire night, which. Yikes Shizuo. Maybe you should see a doctor about that. But after that, Shizuo wasn’t thinking about anything logical or listening to reason (both of which are things Izaya says about him and yes that is very bad and you should be afraid to hurt someone Shizuo) so he couldn’t be expected to think about things like consequences, right?
Objectively speaking, Izaya has done a lot of bad shit, right? He has inadvertently and intentionally put people in harms way and he should be held accountable for that. However that doesn’t mean that he deserves to die when there are characters in this show that kill for fun, or money, or revenge, or because they’re just awful.
Shizuo’s sense of justice skewed and it doesn’t even get a moment of acknowledgment.
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I noticed the way some of the fans treat Izaya vs Shizuo with Izaya they see him as this godlike figure but rotten to the core bastard, with no redeeming qualities, whereas with Shizuo he is seen as a character with little to no flaws except "some" anger issues because they downplay his behavior as a running gag in the narrative not to mention worship because of that strength (when he has literally put people in the hospital for the most trivial things hell if they breathed too loud he'd go apeshit on their ass I mean he could literally kill someone in these moments because he's so lost in his rage over something like that) and he just wants to be loved and live in peace. They kind of use this mentality against Shizaya saying Shizuo deserves better (using the argument he would have a much better and healthier relationship with Vorona she would make him more human etc.) and wouldn't be a monster like this if it weren't for Izaya when he had rage issues long before Izaya ever entered the picture when both of them are kind of rotten and flawed characters one isn't better off or deserving better over the other.
Yeah anytime someone tells me Shizuo deserves better than Izaya it sends me into a spiral.
Cause like, I agree with the sentiment that Izaya sucks, but idk how to explain to Shizuo stans without seeming rude that he also sucks. Good intentions or not, “justified” violence is not a thing especially when it just boils down to “person said something that personally gets on my nerves”.
Like, the characters in drrr act like it’s a thing completely out of anyone’s control but the people who anger Shizuo. That’s a gross mentality. And you can say something like “oh Shizuo only attacks people who are prepared to attack him first.” Dude within the first two novels he has alrrady attacked a man who was just trying to interview him about who he is. What did Shuuji Niekawa do to deserve landing in the hospital?
Nobody is trying to argue that Izaya isn’t toxic, alright? Any relationship with him in it will be toxic, at least at first. But the same can be said for Shizuo?? They both suck and I hate them?? I also love them so much, and I think that this very thing is why they deserve each other.
And I’ve said this before, but if Shizuo really wanted to live a peaceful life he would move out of Tokyo point blank. He’s not that damn peaceful he just doesn’t want to be involved in anything that’s a hassle or requires immense critical thinking skills or living in a morally grey area (unaware of the fact that he lives in that exact grey area).
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"Are you asking me about this as someone who knows the writing patterns of this story’s author or someone who analyzes this story in it’s entirety?" Both I would like to know your thought process on this. I asked this because you have read the light novels and I wanted to know if there was more content or subtext between Shizuo x Vorona than we got in the anime. Yeah I agree Narita would put them together because it's a het pairing and seen as more healthy for Shizuo although would it be healty for Vorona is the real question? I honestly think she benefits more from friendship than any sort of romantic connection with Shizuo (because Shizaya is seen as toxic and a joke to a lot of fans who just love Shizuo or Vorona) although I've read somewhere that Narita originally wanted to write Shizuo ending up with Namie so I think that might answer whether Shizuo x Vorona were ever supposed to be read as romantic in the first place. Although I've read a quote that Tom in novels said “…Shizuo and Vorona, they have a good thing going there…right? Well, they look like they’ve got something of that sort going…or do they? Or is it just me?” That implied something that could be romantic between Shizuo x Vorona? I guess it depends on how you read it because it could be read as platonic too but since they're a man and a woman the default mode is going to be romantic when reading a line like that rather than reading a line like that as platonic kinship developing between the two. So I don't know what to think I just would love to hear your thoughts on this.
In the case of the novels/anime/analysis I have, I don’t personally see any charisma between Shizuo and Vorona. Vorona is sort of like an amalgam of Shizuo’s and Izaya’s traits if you think about it, you know? She is quiet, speaks as few words as necessary, and is super tough, like Shizuo. She doesn’t take bullshit off of anyone and she’s overall just really cool, like Shizuo. On the other hand, she’s also incredibly intellectual, is fascinated by humanity, and has an incredible amount of cunning, like Izaya. And I’m not describing this as a bad thing. A lot of the characters share traits with other characters, be them quote unquote “villain” or “hero”, and having these traits made Vorona fairly interesting on an individual basis.
Together with Shizuo though, it’s almost like she’s designed to be that way. Like a less severe form of Izaya, or at least a version of him that Shizuo can tolerate and is a girl. She’s like a character Shizuo was designed to get mad at and then quickly forgive because “it’s not her fault. She was manipulated by older people.” Even though she’s an adult who is wholly capable of taking care of herself, even if she was sheltered from people.
And no, I don’t think Vorona and Shizuo would have made a healthy couple. She thinks too highly of him. Doesn’t recognize his flaws. She sees him as purely “human” except she doesn’t actually know what that means beyond physical capabilities. She’s deluding herself by treating him like the perfect man, void of any flaws. It’s Izaya’s fault that Shizuo has the capacity to kill, not Shizuo’s lack of impulse control. Yep.
I think that my previous answer about this question pretty much goes over my thoughts. I think Izaya and Shizuo just compliment and parallel each other more naturally. The implementation of Shizuo and Vorona’s dynamic just feels forced and predetermined to have any lasting impact on me. Which, is just a personal experience. I’m sure some people feel differently, which is totally cool!
Thank you for asking for my thoughts. :D
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The only time Shizuo and Izaya chilled was that one time in the onsen.
They also shared a kotatsu and tangerines!!
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I read the answer on another ask
And man something about that last big fight didn't sit right with me from the start
It just seemed kinda forced. I thought i felt like that because i'm major shizaya trash so i tried to ignore that feeling
But now that i read what u wrote ...
It kinda feels like when author writes something accidentally and then tries to 'correct' it
"Oops...Invented shizaya, gotta get rid of it"
You know I couldn’t agree more? Like it feels like at times the narrative seems super self-aware of itself only to switch back to its pandering bullshit of unhealthy relationships?
Like there’s that example and there’s also him covering up the fact that Shizuo befriends characters like Izaya with bullshit. Like yeah Shinra’s manipulative and awful but he’s upfront and honest about it and Shizuo “knows he can trust him”. As it that’s true.
Or the way he reasons that Shizuo and Izaya hate each other because they are just fundamentally opposed to each other without giving a genuine reason- I mean, you can’t just hate someone for the hell of it, right? And that’s literally what Shizuo goes for. He just does. All the other shit is just excuses he uses to act on his hatred but he just hates Izaya cause he feels like he should. And Shizuo is not a god. He doesn’t know everything. All his thoughts about Izaya are just rhetoric, and nothing more.
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People think I’m obsessed with this. But I’m okay with it, I am obsessed with it—and um I think this is an obsession that doesn’t hurt anyone
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I don’t know why, but I kinda dislike Shizuo. I can’t really explain it, but thinking of him makes me feel kinda sour for some reason.
That’s fair. He fits the stereotype to a lot of angry men who are weighed down by toxic masculinity.
Also I think he very much falls under the category of “I hate people who do X thing and will treat them like the worst human alive but if anyone I care about does it then it’s okay and they didn’t really do anything wrong because of X, Y and Z.”
I totally get people who don’t like Shizuo. And Izaya of course. And Shinra. And anybody in this show because they are all deeply flawed and biased. It’s actually really cool that the story lacks so much yet the characters can still evoke a mixture of emotions from every fan.
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What do you think of Shizuona? Did you ever ship or get any type of romantic vibes at any point before Shizaya? I've been reading some of heiwajimashizuo's old posts about Shizuona (since she ships both Shizuona and Shizaya). Do you believe that ship would have more plausibility of being canon over Shizaya?
Are you asking me about this as someone who knows the writing patterns of this story’s author or someone who analyzes this story in it’s entirety? Because the answers will be very different depending on which it is.
Just putting this out there: I’m not a good person to ask about ships which include Izaya and Shizuo that aren’t them with each other because I just simply don’t ship them with anyone else. I can see the appeal of certain ships aesthetically or dynamically (some of them anyway), but as far as shipping them myself I don’t really do. If I wanted a ship with X dynamic, I’d just go find one of my other ships from different fandoms or better yet make up my own OCs for it. My brain works in a canon compliant type of way, though I’m sure some people find that difficult to believe so if it’s not “realistic” in MY eyes (and I try to make it really clear I’m giving my educated opinion on this thing not straight up stating facts) I don’t usually jump on it.
So as you can probably guess from that long winded tangent, no I don’t really ship Shizuo x Vorona. I don’t even think they had any canon charisma with each other though I think Narita was slightly trying to do that. They didn’t spend a lot of time together to warrant me thinking they have any sort of romantic connection (I think their relationship seems like one-sided admiration with Shizuo caring about her as his trainee while she has a deeply convoluted vision of him in her head) in my opinion. And I also think that her character arc and Shizuo’s character arc suffered by her being a part of it. At the end of Ketsu, she makes the choice for Shizuo by getting in the way of him killing Izaya when really Shizuo should have been able to come to that conclusion himself. Vorona needed a story of her own without being dominated by a man. It was just kind of frustrating and a little bit of a letdown when you see how drrr ended. And while I like Vorona I think she’s a big reason why it was all so anticlimactic and it didn’t feel like the end.
Now do I think that that ship has a better chance at becoming canon because of Narita’s subpar romance writing skills and plainly speaking, it being a heterosexual ship? Yes, yes I do. I don’t really know that it will though since Narita really just... does not dedicate a lot of time to writing Shizuo? So it could happen, but it very likely will stay the way it is now with virtually everything in Ikebukuro remaining the same except Izaya is gone and Narita continues to make characters with the same attributes of characters he already has and constantly making comparisons between the two like that makes it good writing.
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Please tell me your reasons for in-universe Shizaya being plausible/canon? I'm Shizaya trash any excuse to read about them lol.
I kinda talked about it in my last post! But I’ve got plenty of other thoughts.
Lol I’m Shizaya trash too and I just finished my final project last night so I’m literally jumping at the bit to talk about my boys.
The way that they’re so obsessed with each other to the point that they compare or relate every life experience to the other.
The way Shizuo takes the time to let all the Saika army know that he hates them significantly less than Izaya. Also there’s something to be said about the end of Ketsu when he fights Izaya in front of another army of said zombies who love him. And are we ever gonna talk about how the word hate in that context seemed more like the opposite? Otherwise it’s way too easy for Shizuo to hate something.
The way Izaya is terrified of death and typically cowers in the face of a really powerful opponent whereas when he faces Shizuo it’s like a mongoose and a snake.
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"Even without reading their posts though I can tell you I already feel like there’s in-universe reasons why Shizaya is plausible" I agree I remember watching durarara for the first time and thinking there was something else going on here between them other than the run of the mill hatred considering how obsessed they were with the other. I can't believe narita doesn't understand that (it might be because they're men). I mean has he ever heard of the enemies to lovers trope before? lol
I rewatched drrr for the first time since 2013 or so in 2018 and I remember the first time Shizuo and Izaya popped up on screen again. I was like... wait a second...why are they even fighting? Like what was their who backstory behind all this? Because low key this has some repressed gay feelings vibes. Then you see Shizuo’s episode where they literally just exchange like two sentences to each other before they start fighting each other. Like two gay dudes who are fighting over their (seemingly) decent straight friend.
Then you know it goes into the Saika arc where they see each other briefly and you know there’s some sort of subliminal message there of Shizuo intentionally seeking out Izaya after he met a Saika child (Shuuji Niekawa) who wanted to love him with knives, but I think what really sold me over to this ship was learning about the novels, and how their hatred is treated. It goes unquestioned for the whole series and so naturally as an English major I feel compelled to question it. Why did they hate each other upon meeting? Why do they still hate each other to this day? Every reason I’ve read has left me unsatisfied and with the overarching theme being about twisted love, I can’t help but want to apply that same concept to my boys.
I also couldn’t help finding similarities with Izaya and Shizuo personality wise but couldn’t really see where their motives are so different. I mean obviously the glaring difference between Shizuo and Izaya is that Izaya is manipulative and messes with people, while Shizuo is honest and doesn’t want to be bothered. But their way of interacting with the world is so similar that both of these things just seem like a different coping mechanism applied to the same problem, which is that they both feel they don’t belong. Shizuo says in novel one that he and Izaya were both always alone. I like to think that sometimes when Shizuo gets in a certain mood that he can start to question Izaya’s motivations, but since he actually knows so little about Izaya, his thoughts are often incomplete.
I’ve heard the argument that there personalities clash. Well then explain how Shizuo is friends with Izaya’s sisters and Vorona. How can he be friends with Shinra, knowing the type of person he is? There’s a lot of intentional ignorance on Shizuo’s part but there’s also a layer of understanding to them. And more to the point anyway, why does that cause such a strong degree of hate? I guess the level of development and defining of that hatred always confused me. I don’t think it’s ever truly talked about until directly before their fight in Ketsu.
Which by the way, the Ketsu fight is sad, but it mostly just pissed me off because it’s so unnecessary. It was so severe and for what? Is it trying to prove once and for all that Izaya and Shizuo hate each other and there’s absolutely nothing between them at all and meant to discourage all Shizaya shippers from ever shipping them again? Because that was not how I felt. I didn’t feel sad that my ship was dead. I was sad that my boys were still so miserable with themselves and couldn’t get any sort of resolution. It didn’t make me stop thinking it was a plausible ship either.
Before I go into that, I want to remind people that this is a work of fiction, so before you get all up in arms talking about Izaya going to be in the arms of his abuser and the relationship could never work in a realistic sense, try to remember the universe where a man falls in love with a dullahan and another guy falls in love with its head, and they both do horrible things to women in order to get what they want. Try to remember a character who is a minor literally going to be with her abuser at the end of Ketsu. Remember what series we’re talking about? Great.
I don’t think that Ketsu, or even drrr was designed to make characters change. In fact, characters don’t really change, but if they could they would probably be happier. I think Izaya has the most potential for change, and I think Shizuo has the mental capacity for it too, and if they realized that tearing each other part actually had very little to do with the other person and more to do with their own issues, they’d probably get along a little better. And maybe, just throwing a wild one out there, if they got along a little better, and knowing how strongly they felt against one another in the past, they might realize that there is something very strong between them that they were too self-loathing and stubborn to see before.
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That's great! I just wanted to share that with any active Shizaya shipper and spread it around again because they're a real treat for anyone who is getting into Durarara and loves Shizaya. They definitely put things into perspective (even if they're just theories they seem like they could be so plausible in canon) for Shizaya with the whole obsessive hatred thing and there being more going on they we know between them.
Hey no I understand! I’ve been shipping Shizaya for the better part of three years, and I know damn well I haven’t seen anywhere close to all the content out there. I haven’t really had time to read any of the old posts out there though because I’m in my last semester at grad school and my brain is hardly functioning past the usual things!
I remember enjoying a fic from one of lucifersus’ posts though where Shizuo is leaving the city with Izaya. :> It was great! Even without reading their posts though I can tell you I already feel like there’s in-universe reasons why Shizaya is plausible. There is a very good reason why I’m still here. ❤️
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shizaya brainrot with my friend
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