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eret has spent every fucking moment from the start of the manburg vs pogtopia arc to PRESENT TIME trying to make up for the final control room, deeply regretting it in character and out, fucking NO ONE gets to say eret hasnt apologized (or apologized enough) for doing it and that wilbur was the only one wronged. and they MADE UP AND FORGAVE EACH OTHER BY THE END OF THE STREAM SO WHAT ARE SOME OF YALL ON ABOUT???
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oceanautumn · 8 months
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sorry to bring up dsmp discourse in 2023 but i think this fandom as a whole should like. take another look at the exile arc after everything that's happened recently. like why was everyone okay with this 22 year old man roleplaying an abusive relationship with a 16 year old i think that was kind of weird actually. distinctions between characters and content creators are of course very important and relevant here but when taking into account the relationship they had irl at the time it simply leaves a sour taste in my mouth
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brettdoesdiscourse · 1 year
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It's always hilarious when people are anti dreamsmp because of Schlatt. Like, obviously it's funny because Schlatt was NOT on there a lot and completely isn't now. But also. Schlatt is the biggest dreamsmp anti. Yall are on the same side, he would also have dreamsmp stans dni in his bio.
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imsosocold · 2 years
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DSMP Takes Hot Enough To Cook My Dinner
- The DSMP has multiple storylines with a variety of POVS that all come from flawed, unreliable narrators. To sort characters into strict moral categories and to pin the blame for everything that has occurred on a single character misses the entire point of the work while dismissing the medium chosen for it.    
- Unfortunately, a fair amount of the DSMP fandom don’t watch the entirety of the lore and even fewer watch more than one character POV. 
-Hardly anyone actually analyzes what they see with paratext.    
-The DSMP fandom has a weird form of moral correctness. Having any non-negative feelings for certain characters or pointing out the flaws in other ones means you’re a bad person and deserve abuse.   
-Even so, I like how the DSMP fandom introduced terms such as apologist, sympathizer, enthusiast, and critical. It should be used by other fandoms. 
-Having sympathy for a “bad” character does not mean you have to pin the blame for their actions on another “bad” character.     
- It’s ridiculous that people get mad when a character who has a negative relationship with another character is not upset when the character they have a negative relationship with has something bad happen to them.    
-Adult characters are not required to take care of the characters who are minors, especially since many of them are only a few years older than said minors.
-The DSMP wiki is obviously biased and needs way more trigger warnings.  
-The DSMP isn’t as revolutionary as people make it out to be. I think the impressive performances and the actors themselves are what makes it so popular. 
-Ironically, the DSMP members are terrible to each other as roleplay partners which causes a lot of problems in the lore.    
-What is considered canon lore can be very unclear and should be clarified.
-The DSMP members should also address the toxicity and infighting in the fandom. It’s gotten too extreme to ignore.
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noobsomeexagerjunk · 2 years
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Dream SMP Lore Discourse Ask Game
Inspired by the one created by @oraclemilf but with a different set of questions for a different set of lore + more meta! Send an emoji in an ask and I'll answer! 20 for your choosing!
All /rp, and be polite!
🐑 - Is CaptainPuffy a good friend?
🟪 - Was it necessary for Purpled to kill Slime in order to avenge himself, or could he have done something else in order to do so?
✏ - Was it a good idea for the Dream SMP to integrate a more fantastical narrative or should it have remained a strictly political story?
🔴 - If you could change anything about how the Egg arc played out, what would that be?
📖 - What do you think are Quackity's genuine intentions with the Revival Book?
💍 - Is Bad and Skeppy's relationship healthy or not?
👪 - Should non-playable children (MICHAEL_BELOVED, Yogurt, Foolish Jr., etc.) have more or less impact in the Dream SMP narrative? Should they have narrative impact to begin with?
🧚‍♀️ - What is the best course of action for Hannah to do in order to better her work experience at the Bank?
⌚ - Is Karl's time travel beneficial or harmful, not just to himself, but to his friends and general spacetime? Why? Can that potentially change?
💪- Who had the moral high ground in the Keycard Conflict, Sam or Ponk?
😆 - Is DreamXD a potential antagonist, if he isn't considered one already, in the Dream SMP storyline?
✈ - What are your thoughts on the Dream SMP being connected to other worlds and SMPs?
🕯 - Do you like the amount of influence fanwork and fan perception has on how the CCs write and perform lore? Should this change or not?
💎 - What are your thoughts on Foolish's relationship with godhood, power, and immortality? Is the way he's currently going about it good or not? Why?
⚖ - Between the didactic, moralistic writing and the more entertainment-centric, plot-driven writing found in the various arcs and storylines in the Dream SMP, which one is better written? Which one should also be given more importance when it comes to writing lore?
🔨 - Of the unfinished arcs and loose threads in the Dream SMP right now, which one would you want continue yourself and how would you do it?
🌵 - What are your thoughts on how the L'Sandburg conflict played out?
😴 - What are your thoughts on off-screen lore and character development?
🎮 - Given the several mediums the Dream SMP has managed to use in telling its story, how do you think the CCs can utilize these to tell even better stories?
🗒 - Can you call the writing of the Dream SMP consistent or not?
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hopalongfairywren · 2 years
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c!puffy joining the syndicate is... Interesting. I don’t like half of the syndicate. I have re-blogged/liked several syndicate critical blogs, i’m sure you can dig those up. I think c!techno, is both in story and in a narrative sense is a bad character who doesn’t suffer nearly enough consequences for his actions, and don’t get me started on c!niki. Just don’t.
My problem is the amount of character assassination c!puffy is facing now. And I’m hesitant to say this because i’m not sure if cc!puffy is even taking this anywhere (c!puffy villain arc comes to mind) and I want to trust that all the ccs know what direction they are taking their characters in and that c!puffy is no exception, but... Her character has taken a huge swerve. She was c!Tommy’s therapist. And this isn’t me being like “female character = mömther. c!puffy should get to exist outside of the confides of someone’s emotional support/parental figure. She has never been a great parent either. (Ponk fridge anyone?) But when you do a complete one-eighty on a characters motivations... It’s just ugh. 
The only potential good thing I see from this is a possible puffychu interaction, and i’ll be honest, it’s one of my least favorite canon ships. Not because I don’t like the characters, I do. But because puffychu has had so few actual canon interactions, most of their dynamic is left ambiguous. c!niki and c!puffy are on opposite sides of the servers issues most times, and It feels like a cheap cop out for one of them to just be like “I agree with everything you say sweetheart!” rather than having an honest talk about the nuke incident, the egg, the banquet, and yes, dream’s escape. Because I don’t think cc!puffy was even their for the breakout, and I don’t know if canonically c!puffy even knows about the syndicates involvement. If she doesn’t that is one thing, but I swear to god, if c!puffy is like “screw everyone, c!dream should be free” I will scream because holy shit, c!puffy might as well be a new character after that. 
On the bright side, the idea of codependant disaster lesbian couple where they can never both be mentally healthy, one of them needs to be on the verge of a mental breakdown due to shitty friends is intriguing, and hey, If I can go from not liking c!hannah to her being my favorite, then maybe puffychu can become my otp.
And I do think, ultimately, c!puffy’s and everyone else, will have narratively satisfying endings to their characters.
Also please, if you do like this post, reblog it instead of liking it. Thank you.
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tack-tick · 2 years
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Heard about a DSMP reboot? If it does can we gatekeep the super serious loreheads and apologists who are absolutely dedicated to shitting on every lore stream ever
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jadespeedster17 · 2 years
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SERIOUS TOPIC
TW for anyone who dislikes talking about Sucide or Abuse, leave now -0-0-0-0-
I feel like this should be said because I might have been somewhat in the wrong, and am willing to admit if I was. But this happened, and as a person in the DSMP fandom I want to speak about it.
IT IS NEVER OKAY TO TELL SOMEONE TO KILL THEMSELVES OVER A POST
Context.
I made a take about how C!Quackity and C!Dream were like a certain cases in America of abuse. How the abuser liked to play the victim when she herself caused the abuse. I gave no names to the case, stating this was why I didn't give either characters pity for what they did to each other. They both were shitty, but it's clear C!Dream trying to farm pity points for being tortured was sad and sickening.
Well, the OP didn't like that and went to a 'Dream Fan' who said basically wanted to rip me to shreds.
They basically resorted to name-calling, I teased them a bit I'll admit. But they basically told me I was a freak for making such an observation about characters in a server and that I should 'Kill myself' for it. (Yes guys this was a Dream Simp)
I just let it lay and didn't care, but they just kept harassing me. They went anon, (I'm fairly certain at least) to keep name calling me and claiming to be an abuse survivor and that I was a 'scumbag'). And they kept saying I have no valid thoughts about how my post was.
I simply told them it was kind of sad they resorted to name-calling and talks of death just because they didn't agree with my take. (and they are younger than me)
Listen, guys, if someone had an issue with my post, they could easily reply and say "Hey I feel this post is incorrect and a little insensitivity" and I'd be willing to listen. But this person really was foaming from the mouth.
now first off DO NOT GO AND DOG PILE THIS PERSON! I don't want that, do not do that, that doesn't make us any better than them! I mean it too. No, I will not give their name, even if you go to my page and find it I refuse to do that.
This post was simply to point out that this kind of behavior in any fandom is not okay, whether you agree with a person's take or not over a story of all things.
Secondly, it's perfectly fine to make real-world observations about characters to give an idea as to why you dislike them. I did not say that either party was right, and nor did I do anything to say rude or mean comments. I simply said this case kind of reminds me of them. To give context to IRL that a person would understand. This fandom seems to do that along, all character lovers do. I didn't feel my post was invalidating the case, a case that I didn't name at that. But apparently, this Dream fan took lots of issues.
So incase anyone needs to hear it, you don't need to kill yourself over a shitty take someone did or said. And just because someone doesn't like your post and tells you too, that doesn't mean you should. That just means they are the horrible person.
Thirdly, I am not asking for people to like my post, you don't have to agree with me at all on my take. I'm simply stating this kind of behavior is not acceptable at all.
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nicsian · 2 years
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I think something that will genuinely make me stop watching the DreamSmp is if the whole "relationships and dynamics will change" thing means that any relationships that are currently canon change.
Not in the rivals / friendship thing, like if MARRIED or CANON PARTNERS change. Because what is the point of doing that if they already contribute to the main story.. you get what I'm saying?
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go-learn-esperanto · 2 years
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WILBUR???
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the-final-sif · 3 months
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Dream's Response Summary
Dream posted a response to various accusations, covering just about everything ever because he was done with this shit. I've done my best to summarize it here, but I recommend going and watching his whole video. This is going to be extremely summarized for readability and I'm only going to cover stuff I consider serious so anything about speedrunning is getting skipped.
The tl:dr is: Dream never groomed anyone or had inappropriate contact with anyone underage, he provided proof that one accuser flat out lied, and the other ""accusation"" was from a third party who was never involved. The actual supposed victim released a statement that they were never groomed, nor a victim in any way, never was asked about someone sharing information about them, and wants everyone to shut the fuck up.
Police were never actually contacted, both twitter accounts were lying about doing so to make their claims seem real. Also the supposed snapchat video shown is a very obvious fake.
He covers Manatreed, the run down is the guy was a childhood best friend he grew up with and who was struggling with homelessness. Dream helped him, and never knew about the battery charge (Manatreed had lied to him about it). When Dream spoke to Manatreed's ex girlfriend, she was very clear she never wanted any of this publicly out there, that she was happy that Dream had been helping Manatreed and she wanted the best for him.
Dream still doesn't know exactly what happened with that situation, he has since lost contract with Manatreed, all he knows is he was trying to help a childhood friend and got lied to.
The first allegation from Oxy/Anastasia, he's extremely clear they only ever messaged in twitter dms and he disproves the claim about the texts/tik tok. He has a google voice number hooked up to his tik tok account for obvious reasons, and she was showing imessage texts. This is not possible, which means she was lying.
As part of this, Dream scrolls through his twitter dms and shows he responds to fans all the time and talks to people in his community from all over. He also shows how he's friends with and has hired people that were fans of his, including people like Foolish.
He discusses Amanda, the two of them messaged on instagram back when he was a much smaller creator. He showed/posted the transcript of the two of them talking about normal stuff. They had been messaging since 2020. He did attempt to post a complete transcript of those messages, but she had deleted some of her messages and he doesn't have a way to recover them.
Dream explains that Instagram has a "feature" where if you ever reply to someone, then you literally cannot remove their ability to message you without blocking them. Something I did not know about instagram and which is fucking wild.
Since he replied to her in 2020, that meant she could message him forever and her notifications would be constantly showing up for him. He attempted to delete her messages/her ability to message him back in 2021 and showed proof of this, but realized he couldn't. Dream also in doing so accidentally deleted the context to her messages that she was a fan and basically everything prior to 2021.
Since he didn't remember her (what with the prior messages deleted), she was dmnig him from her personal account without fan content on it and was talking about being a streamer, he assumed she was a smaller streamer he knew and was talking to her as such.
They were talking about music so he gave her his personal snapchat to talk and because he wanted to get some feedback on a new song he was working on. He wanted to send the song via snapchat so he could be reasonably sure it'd stay private.
Dream categorically denies any sexting with Amanda or sexual messaging at all, he goes through why she most likely did this (he had been ignoring her messages and made a new snapchat with only close friends). He also downloaded his own data (something Amanda refused to/failed to do), went through the snapchat logs and did see some messages, but never saw either of his supposed compliments to her.
Amanda claimed Dream deleted her dms and that's why she couldn't provide any of the evidence she claimed she had, but Dream showed those same DMs very clearly undeleted. The dms were never deleted and she lied as an excuse.
Amanda lied about going to the police. Dream had his lawyers file a bunch of requests, and track down the police station that she went to based on the photo. They filed every request possible for any information with this police station, and there was no record of Amanda visiting the station or any records relating to Dream whatsoever. So either she lied about filing anything, or she told a story such that the police filed literally no paperwork whatsoever about the situation. Not even a report.
Dream sent the police station a copy of his own drivers license and Amanda's information so they could contact him if anything did come up, and nothing ever did. Nothing was filed, nobody cared.
Dream got swatted several times as a result of online harassment, including his family, and the harassment was overwhelming and awful for him.
He addresses the gumball situation, he showed up to a birthday party for a friend, gumball's VA was there and kept getting aggressive with him. While on facetime with some friends, Cantu ended up hitting Dream to impress them. Dream was obviously put off by this, but at the end of the night people ended up ubering together and Dream ended up in an uber with Cantu. He thought it'd be fine since other people were involved.
Cantu dropped his phone out the window made the uber driver pull over to look for it and got in trouble with the police. The uber driver tried to talk to Cantu about handling the police in the future, and Cantu started calling the uber driver slurs and claiming the uber driver had "down syndrome".
Dream got involved, trying to defend the uber driver, and Cantu threatened to kill him and called him slurs. Later Cantu apologized and Dream wanted to forgive him. Only later, Cantu started spreading lies about him and calling him a pedophile, so Dream realized the apology wasn't sincere and called him out for his behavior.
The third party who had been filming all of this saw what Cantu was doing lying about Dream and trying to claim none of this happened. They reached out to Dream and gave him the actual video as proof of what happened. Cantu tried to threaten them out of sending Dream the video of what happened, but they ignored him and sent them anyways. Dream also had the uber driver in his video backing up what he said.
Finally, the Jamie Allegations
Jamie is a mutual friend of several people that Dream knew, she did not post the allegations, she was never contacted about any of this she made an explicit statement that she was never groomed or a victim in any way.
Dream and Jamie meet prior to Dream being a youtuber on bbh's minecraft server, they were both fans of Skeppy. Which is why Jamie was followed by Dream, Skeppy, Vurb and some other youtubers in their friend group.
Jamie is still active online and put out her own statement, the person in the screenshots never gave permission for any of this to be put out, and they are very clear that the messages were taken out of context and that the claims made are false. The person in the screens is clear Dream is not a groomer, they never accused him of that, and that the twitter account is lying.
The snapchat video shown is very obviously fake, because snapchat just magically opens itself, there's no finger or button use interacting with the screen.
The burner account never actually contacted the police, Dream records him calling to the department they claimed to contact, and the person answering is very clear they have no contact from this person.
The supposed recent document posted is a fake convo of someone using a fake twitter account to talk to "Jamie", Jamie did not talk to them and it's just fake.
All of this was incredibly damaging for Jamie, who had no idea what was going on, and was getting harassed/stalked/having her irls contact.
Dream has also faced waves of harassment over obviously fake allegations, people have just been taking them at face value. He also shows how easy it is to fake these things as I have done.
He's been swatted, harassed, his family has been swatted and harassed, he's been scared for his own safety several times. It's been awful for him, and all based on fake shit. He's not stepping back from minecraft, but he is stepping back from twitter and no longer engaging with people behaving this way.
Also his ping pong record was undefeated.
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cosmosisfold · 2 years
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dsmp discourse thing because i don't like the way people are discussing eret and wilburs lore, particularly relation to lmanberg members (as discourse often is)
okay so some people have been doing a morality pyramid of who is the most forgivable in the situation of Eret and Wilbur. Eret killing them vs Wilbur blowing up a material place. Theres this "you cannot say the murderer is more superior to the victim, even if the murderer regrets it" and. alright. thats fair enough. however, no one on the dream smp is free of sin. many members of lmanberg have killed other people, particularly the victims of Erets betrayal that are being referenced a lot.
Tommy has killed Jack Manifold and Dream
Tubbo has killed Aimsey and attempted to kill Technoblade alongside the butcher army
Wilbur Soot has killed Jack Manifold
the only members of Lmanberg without kills are Jack Manifold, Niki, and Fundy. And even so, each of them have an attempted kill on someone.
theres no big game of moral hierarchy here, you cannot compare morally grey characters and state your opinion as fact. people will always disagree depending on how they feel about other characters.
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brettdoesdiscourse · 2 years
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People: Oh my god, you can't post your smut/shipping in the main tags. Even if it's properly tagged and easily avoidable.
The same people the next post down: If you like Dream at all, I hope you die a painful death tomorrow. Get help. #dream #dreamwastaken #dwt #dreamteam
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tobi-smp · 3 months
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I'm not going to watch tommy showing techno's dad around the server, because I just haven't been able to handle those sorts of videos emotionally. But Like.
realistically did any of you expect tommy to look at technoblade's dad and tell him how objectively wrong his son's roleplay character was?
getting mad that tommy framed techno's character in a more heroic light to Literally His Dad is. a bit ridiculous.
techno's dad doesn't need to hear about the complexities of the community house green festival scene, he's trying to honor the memory of his son.
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quaranmine · 11 months
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the mcyt hate on this website is unreal. i mean, i knew that, but somehow it's so much more striking when it's directed at...jimmy solidarity of all people in that poll. like??? hello? yall are talking about jimmy solidarity?
i assume most of these people hate mcyt because of dream and dream smp. and jimmy is just...not associated with that at all. he's interacted with dream, what, maybe once? they were on a mcc team together three years ago in 2020. i literally don't think they've spoken before or since, not that i can think of. he's never been involved in dream smp either. honestly, in terms of degrees of separation, jimmy's just as close to stampycat (via martyn + netty) as he is to dream smp people. to my knowledge jimmy has never been in any controversy. not that i want to speak to soon or have anybody go digging up stuff, but like??? it's jimmy solidarity?? wet paper bag of a silly man who gives his two kitties little kisses on the head? AND PEOPLE ARE HATING ON HIM THAT HARD JUST BECAUSE HE MAKES MINECRAFT VIDEOS?
the entire term "mcyt" is just trashed because nobody knows how to separate the actions of a few people from an entire genre of content. which i already knew. but it just keeps getting continually proved to me
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conarcoin · 16 days
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guys tell me your pettiest, smallest mischaracterization details that drive you nuts. the little tiny things that you see constantly that get on your nerves.
mine is when people make c!slime call quackity "quackity from las nevadas" in casual conversation or have him always using his full _ from _ titles for everyone. guys. he doesn't use them all the time. he calls people that when greeting them or having formal conversations 😭
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