#dream smp critical

[stellocchia]

Even now, I still don't understand the logic behind having the Disc War Finale be faked when it was executed the way it was. Specifically, having Dream want to go to jail.

I'm assuming that, by the time the reveal happened, they already decided that Dream and Punz both knew how the Revival Book worked. And, regardless if they did or not, the characters canonically already knew. They'd been experimenting.

With that knowledge, if Punz gaining the trust of the public (which was never actually used in any context ever, so, even that is a very debatable gain to aim for?) was the aim, them killing Dream in front of everyone and then reviving him once they all left would have served the goal just as well if not better?

Like, what did Dream gain from actually going to prison? To the prison, he specifically made awful on purpose? Literally nothing. Just some torture which, sure, he could not have foreseen, but he knew his permanence in there would not be pleasant. He also, like, didn't give Punz the blueprints that explained how to get him out? Which meant that not only Punz couldn't help directly, but he couldn't even get Techno to pay back the favor and get him out that way. Which means that Dream's brilliant plan of being in prison for a while was wholly reliant on Techno giving enough of a shit to remember the favor and decide to pay it back, and then also on Dream giving him the location of the blueprints and hoping that Techno had a way to safely get out alive with that information.

Like, sure, it happened after well over a year, but that was not a concrete plan by any means. It couldn't be. Chucking books at the warden until he was let out would honestly have been just as well thought-out!

And, for all of that time, Punz didn't do much in general. He got mind-controlled for a while and that's about it. He didn't use the time to gain intel or allies or even spread 'Dream isn't that bad' propaganda. He did jack shit with it. So Dream got out right back where he started off.

And the thing is, there was still a way they could have played this out effectively.

They could have gone for an approach that humanized Dream (so we didn't have to have the child he abused later on be the one who realized his "humanity" and apologized, because that was laughably ridiculous and a terrible decision, though that's a rant for another day) by making it so that the original plan WAS the kill and revive Dream one, but, at the last moment, when it should have happened, Dream got scared.

Fear of death is a very human thing to have. It could have been interesting for him. A character who sees himself as a god with no weaknesses and no attachments, still so attached to his own life and scared of his own mortality. It's even in line with his desire for immortality!

And that's when he blurted out about the revival book and begged not to be killed. And Punz, still trying to gain the favor of the masses, couldn't go against their will when the plan shifted from killing Dream to trapping him.

It could have been interesting. It would be a loss for them, but one that would, funnily enough, make Dream look like less of a complete and utter moron than the "win" they got.

It would explore his character's weaknesses and his hubris. His belief that he's above the ridiculous attachments the rest of the server is plagued by would be the very thing that crumbled beneath his feet and caused his fall.

But, instead of that, we got the nonsensical "lmao I'm always 10 step ahead of everyone... what do you mean I walked into a plothole?" story instead. What a waste.

#dream smp #dsmp #dream smp analysis #c!dream #c!punz #staged duo #staged duo critical #dream smp critical #ultimately no character without weaknesses is fun #and no character who never loses is fun #not even when they're villains #and trying to spin c!dream's biggest loss as a victory is what fucked them

[grapeofsoda]

sorry guys i have to get this out somewhere. the dream smp is like bbc sherlock in the way that it started as something endearing and beloved by a large majority of online people but then it got. too big and it started taking too long hiatuses and the creators got too full of themselves to the point that whenever it came back it was something horrendously out of character to the point that by the end of it the only reason people watched was out of the sunk-cost fallacy. then when it was time for the finale people were excited to see the culmination of this shitty story they once loved and it just turned out to be really shit. except this time there really will be a continuation and it’ll feature a fucking groomer

#i feel a little insane. #i still like what the original story was and i'll probably still obsess over the characters but let it be known i will NOT be watching v.2 #dream smp #dream smp critical #dsmp critical #grape gabbles

[call-me-apple]

Why are so many people suggesting that the Dream SMP should just be nuked and started anew. Do y'all think restarting the server is going to somehow teach the content creators to stop ghosting each other.

#dream smp critical #discourse

[general-light]

I will be brutally honest, did not really enjoy c!Eret talking like that to c!Wilbur as though he himself wasn’t, like, responsible for a mass murder, and, like, didn’t kind of cause c!Wilbur’s spiral in the first place.

The tone set me off. Not a fan, really. Especially with how it felt like it villainised c!Wilbur for kind of not wanting to talk with him (now, and in the past). Like. c!Eret did endanger L’Manberg. c!Wilbur was kind of right to blame them for that in S1. Why did you demand an apology for that.

#wilbur soot #dream smp #dsmp #dreamsmp #mcyt #mcytblr #dream smp spoilers #dream smp critical #c!eret critical #liveblog tag #bold text #i ramble

[tmmyhug]

i think tommys resilience is exactly what makes him such a common target. ooc. he always rebuilds therefore it’s fine to grief him dw he’ll just put it back. like a satisfying button you can push over and over and over. who cares abt the story his character or his fans right. or whatever

#and other ccs want to feel important to the lore without doing any work there i said it #vees train of thought #tommy #dream smp critical #discourse

[seal-fan]

does anyone else feel like the dream smp is just... like, constantly hopeless? like, overwhelmingly so. like, oh, dream is great at pvp and he never loses and he literally cannot die and controls life and death. and he’s also super evil and an abuser and the narrative comuppance for everything he does is simply. not happening. i know there are a couple more streams left but the smp has a track record of things either going badly, or seeming like they will go well but in a shocking twist they actually went badly (disc finale)

like, can’t we just have happiness or something

#dream smp #dream smp critical #tommyinnit #dream

[miss-allsundays]

STOP MAKING VILLAINS, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT ARE PURELY EVIL, REEDEMABLE!!! cdrm was a fucking psychopath that hurt and killed and manipulated people so that he could obtain more power because of what??? some skewed fucking idea of how friendships work????

it was NOT ctommy's fault that cdrm decided to fucking bomb lmanburg three times, kill half of the fucking members of the dsmp, drive his friends away and then get unhealthily obsessed with a control and a fuckinf teenager

i dont care that he "misses the simpler times" because he drove ctommy to suicide, he actively encouraged cwilbur's self-destructive behavior in pogtopia, he used people like puppets AND HE DID THAT ON HIS OWN VOLITION

#ctommy #tommyinnit #dsmp critical #dream smp critical #this is so disappointing #i will prob calm down by tomorrow but still #cdrm needed to fucking suffer #he didnt need a fucking friend #ranting

[proudfreakmetarusonniku]

still so pissed that c!Tubbo deliberately trying to put someone defenceless through a torturous agonising death was treated as a #girlboss moment by the framing of the story what the fuck was up with that like no that was an undeniably evil act no matter what c!Sam had done in the past. what the fuck was with the revengers stream in general tbh it’s one of the biggest examples of  protagonist-centred morality on the server and it’s so fucking frustrating like why is everything the revengers did in that stream framed as good and moral when they caused so much unnecessary harm like yeah saving micheal was an undeniable good but that doesn’t make everything else they did ok!!!

#sorry this still bothers me #dream smp #dream smp critical #revengers critical

[pxtopia]

Honest thoughts

I am very aware of the impossibility of this occurring but ngl i really wish the ending involved more people :( like remember all the big events like the first fight for independence, the manberg festival, and november 16? They all included so many people and so many different perspectives showcasing the different characters emotions and experiences. It would feel so much more complete if everyone was there for the end of the world. Also c!Tommy apologizing to his abuser is a big yikes from me, c!wilbur would’ve never let this happen

#dream smp critical #crit #dream smp #c!tommy #c!dream critical #c!dream #tommyinnit #dreamwastaken #dream smp spoilers

[imflyingfish]

For some reason i woke up today super nostalgic for c!emerald duo and also ranboo despite the fact that they were my least favourite characters in dsmp

#c!emeralduo critical #ranboo critical #idk man i jusssss uhhh didnt like them do i do have nostalgia for when ranboo was my favourite character on dsmp #dream smp critical #CCs are like. fine ig i miss techno a lot but yeag. like doomsday? can we restart doomsday discourse pls im really bored #also like. their characters werent bad i just didnt like them *shrug *

[lvpnm-moved]

i was supposed to be asleep but I've been thinking Abt how dsmp became a mess after like the second trimester of 2021 and like why dsmp 2 will most likely fail as soons as it starts.Like in the end of the day the thing that did most of the damage was the lack of compromise, organization and communication.

Like yeah ccs wanting to do stuff in other than playing Minecraft affected it, but there were lots of instances of ppl that do have lore plans not being able to execute them bc of the lack of organization and communication.

And the thing is they were almost never clear with the audience abt the dates, it's always a soon, and something when there was an actual clear time frame is given it ends up not happening. Like yeah they had other stuff they want to do but they also could have simply just checked to see if they were actually free to do something, and just be clear they aren't doing it anytime soon instead of making fun of the fans for wanting the content that was promised and just given the vague soon again.

And they know ppl like lore they know it give them vires and subs u cant say "they aren't professionals" bc yeah they may be inexperienced buy they make money out of this, they put lore stuff as sub goals bc they know ppl wanted it and will try to get to it( and the saddest is that some of them didn't even happened even after they reached it) they promised things and didn't go through it or where never clear Abt when it's happening

And saying that the reboot could help new or smaller ccs bc they could have a blank state to work on, just ignores that a reason why theirs previous attempts are lore failed, bc they had ideas but they couldn't do it alone, and if the members that were there for a longer time got ghosted by others, some that even happen recently, why would u even think the reboot would magically fix the problems that hurt the smallers ccs?

It's clear that the dsmp is seen as a good way for them to get viewers and money, and that they are trying to stretch it out for as long as they can and/or try too bring it back to it's highest but there's no compromise to actually doing it. There's no trying to fix the things that made it fail or even realize that it will never go back to to it's highest bc lots of ppl left and lost interest bc the lack of content or disliking how the story was being handled or the lack of content or etc. In the end dsmp 2 will fail bc the same problems that made dsmp1 fail, that if those problems don't end up making it never happen

#cala boca lupin #im not saying that after 2021.1 there werent good things on the dsmp #but that in the end therre were lots of bads that soured the whole experience #and that lots of things were tainted or affected negativity even if it wasn't horrible horrible #dsmp #dream smp critical #im gonna sleep now byeeeeeee

[stellocchia]

Do you know what I always found messed up?

That Puffy and Foolish to people who have on several occasions seemed like trusted adults to Micheal. In fact he played with Foolish Jr, and probably knows Foolish as the guy built his house!

What I always found messed up, but people didn’t seem to talk about, is that it was Foolish and Puffy who led people to the location that Micheal was at.

It was them both who showed to Sapnap and George who taunted, mocked and threw eggs at Micheal.

Micheal a small kid who was trying to protect himself. It was extremely sad to me.

And the worse part? Neither Foolish nor Puffy should have had canonical reasonings why they would do that. Especially, when they of all people should have understood why that’s wrong considering they have children of similar age to Micheal.

Anyways the Dsmp had some messed up things in it that never got resolved RIP.

Hopefully Qsmp does a better job

Let's be honest here Anon, most characters got character assassinated by their own CCs by the end of the dsmp. cSapnap, cBad, cPuffy, cFoolish, cWilbur, cDream, cPunz, cTubbo, cRanboo, and even my boy cTommy, though I'm still not sure how much of the finale was actually ccTommy's idea.

It was an absolute mess by the end with no care put in it. There was no passion, no respect for the content or the audience who straight up made those guys' whole careers.

Because, like, you make a good point. Neither cFoolish nor cPuffy had canonical reasons to do any of that. But neither did cSapnap or cGeorge. It made no sense. They just resented the audience for caring about something they made and wanted to "punish" the audience for it. Or at least that's what the later lore felt like. It was genuinely a steaming pile of shit.

Some characters managed to hold on longer than others. Some CCs had irl reasons why their lore went to shit (like ccNiki who very much got sidelined even when she tried to do her own thing), but ultimately for most I'd say the biggest problem was a lack of care and a lack of behind the scene communication and cooperation.

As for the QSMP, from the little I've seen it's doing much better. Though, ngl, I've mostly watched clip comiplations and only very recently caught a bit of a couple of streams (a bit from Tubbo yesterday and the ending of Bad's stream today). And I don't speak any of the languages CCs speak aside from English, so following fully is very tough. I'm grateful for the people on youtube who subtitle their clip compilations because otherwise, it would be incredibly inaccessible for me.

That said, as I mentioned, from what I've seen it looks like they're doing better. There is heart behind those characters. Heart behind that story. I don't feel like the CCs resent the audience for caring either, because it looks like they themselves give a fuck about what they're doing. There are also admins, and a whole crew behind it to help it all feel much more complex and interesting. (Which is something they could have done with dsmp too if ccDream ever gave a single shit).

I don't know if it'll eventually go to shit or if they'll manage to keep it fresh enough to avoid that like series like Hermicraft and the Life series have done, but for now I'm rather hopeful.

#anon ask #dream smp critical

[belanova]

i think i may have more of a negative outlook on this stream than my mutuals rn cause the thing that's really getting to me is the suicide baiting and the fact he literally put "TW: suicide" to something that wasn't... If we take the story literally and not like How some people took it as Utah being the literal afterlife for c!Wilbur because of the way he talked and stuff, and it's seriously giving me a really REALLY sour taste in my mouth just for that

So my main problem wasn't that it was campy, just the set up for it because did you seriously need to make his suicide ideation into a joke? XP

#dream smp critical #lore critical #cc!wilbur crit #Eugheh idk man i think i finally got the truth taste on my mouth which is sour #this was meant to be a response to a mutual but i realized maybe reblogging and taking over the post with my take felt weird LMAO #dsmp spoilers #tw suicide

[teehee-vibes]

So what I’m hearing is c!EmeraldDuo solos

#dsmp critical #dream smp critical #dsmp negative #i did not watch it #i will not watch it #I’m moving on and maybe stealing some OCs #but that’s it

[general-light]

That past stream’s tone felt a lot like c!Eret talking at c!Wilbur and demanding an apology as though c!Wilbur was the one to set off the downward spiral, even though it was… the other way around.

c!Eret was… what, upset that c!Wilbur was angry at them, and wanted an apology for that. But. But you did literally cause his paranoia. You did that. I don’t know why you think you’re entitled to an apology when you’re reaping what you sow…

Not to mention c!Eret trying to emphasise c!Wilbur’s leadership skills and how much they were valued, as though leadership wasn’t a false persona c!Wilbur put on that broke him (and as though something I think should be emphasised instead is that c!Wilbur can have worth without being a leader).

#wilbur soot #dream smp #mcyt #mcytblr #dream smp spoilers #dsmp #dreamsmp #dream smp critical #c!eret critical #liveblog tag #bold text #i ramble

[tmmyhug]

pokes crimeboys with a stick can you guys finish your lore already so i can stop caring abt this limping server

#last salty post sorry #vees train of thought #tommy #wilbur #discourse #dream smp critical