#dont try to analyze it

[sherbetyy]

as someone on the spectrum i really felt for red guy in the photoshoot scene with his family, specifically when he’s moving around a lot and just. not doing what everyone around him is doing, and gets scolded for it.. especially his line “i’m just happy. i’m sorry..” like godddd that’s relatable. so many times i’ve had to apologize for simply being happy and i just want to give red guy a hug please. idk if the writers intentionally made it feel that way but damn it got me

#“am i smiling? sorry i just can’t help myself” #was soo sad when he hugged what i think was his father figure and then they told him that he couldn’t be in the picture. HUH?? #and the fact that it was maybe all red guy’s imagination just shows what he’s really thinking and how he feels. #sorry if i’m over analyzing things i just #i always try to look for things like this even if they aren’t intentional #thanks for coming to my text post #austism. #back at it again #dhmis #don’t hug me i’m scared #red guy #dhmis family #red guy dhmis #dont hug me im scared #☎️

[coldgpa]

I'm saying Joseph quinn purposely made eddie gay on his own accord. Like I think he read the script and saw exactly what we saw

#i think he was knowingly trying to make eddie come off as a gay man #looking at how he chose to play out scenes with joe keery i feel like he was doing something #he has played multiple gay roles goddamnit! #he had to have known what he was doing... #and thats why it was unintentionally a bury your gays too doe 😀 #stranger things 4 #stranger things spoilers #steddie #eddie munson #stranger things #and i dont think its that far fetched bc literally maya hawke and joe keery and the reason why robin is a lesbian #joseph quinn #edit: i cant believe i was right #i knew... from just analyzing the body lanaguage he choose to use in scenes with joe keery 🤨 #but my suspicions were truly confirmed once i heard joe quinn improvised that big boy line #and now... real confirmation #i knew #that interview... he literally was trying to convey eddie as liking steve thru body language

[ariesbilly]

i also think what a lot of people dont understand about billy - or refuse to acknowledge the true extent of the effect of it all - is that this is a kid who has been taught to perceive everything around him as a threat. to him, his life is in constant danger.

and when youre living under that state of mind you really have one of two choices; harden yourself and BECOME the threat to protect yourself, or make yourself small and fade into the shadows

and its kind of asinine to me that you would fault someone for what option they chose

you know its not okay to berate someone for becoming depressed over their abuse or crying about it, why is it okay to shame someone for how they choose to protect themselves?

and its the way people cant coincide in their brain that you can actually say "hey, your coping methods are kinda fucked lets work it out". because to them all they hear is "this person has never done anything wrong and everything is fine"

but then you wanna call other people stupid .... okay

sorry i can hold multiple thoughts in my head. as if its my fault

#we are in an analyzing billy hargrove mood tonight ladies! #sorry but like the more i hear antis talk the more i realize oh... you actually have never listened to actual abuse victims in your life #oh ones that dont fit your particular narrative anyway #which is why im always advocating for yall to branch the fuck out of your circles! #listen to people you disagree with! #listen to people you dont understand! try to understand them! this does not make you a bad person this makes you compassionate!

[taffy-glitch]

ok ok look i understand that celia recognizing chester and emails from "john" and whatever the FUCK is going on with lena and gwen is all mind-boggling and such but

i feel like im not seeing NEARLY as many posts about the statement this episode???

I only listened once but what the fuck is the significance of those donations???? The laughter?? "it's all for a good cause"???????

WHO THE FUCK IS THE "SECURITY FIRM" THAT DEALT WITH IT?????

#the magnus protocol #tmagp spoilers #there's also the fact that it was the hilltop centre dont think that escaped my notice #you canNOT convince me this statement wont be important later #'security firm' that kinda reads to me like trevor the vampire hunter in terms of handling of supernatural stuff. but on a larger scale #....sister department to the oiar #WHO KNOWS???? #THER'ES SO MUCH TO FUCKING UNPACK !!!!!!! #trying to analyze what the fuck kind of entity was involved with that #something about hoarding and crowding and too much STUFF. unwanted gifts (esp considering it was the holiday season) #while also insisting it's all for charity. all for a good cause #perhaps (going off what people have said about the entities in tmp being desires rather than fears) #it has to do with the desire for the material. the desire for stuff #alternatively considering the charity angle it could be tied to a desire to help.... #but the ''help'' comes in unwanted and in fact SUFFOCATING ways #idk man im just throwin spaghetti at the wall at this point lmao #jort post

[larabar]

quick random poll because this has been bugging me since frontiers came out

cutscene in question -> X

#if you have stuff to say please tell me i wanna hear thoughts on this #not to sway the poll but its felt like such a weird cutscene to me and not right for their characters #but i dont know if i have any reasoning for it #something about how maybe knux is too trusting ? but he really hasnt been lately #tryna work it out in my head. different situations sonics been in and how hes handled them #he kinda just rolled with merlina. then again she wasnt directly working against him at the start. same with shahra #maybe im getting a mix of idws sonic in it and thats whats rubbing the wrong way #its got a similar feel to the whole 'i can fix them' attitude he has toward enemies and rivals in those comics that just isnt my favorite #dont want to get into idw arguments but it does bother me #rraaaaaa ive gotta stop trying to analyze sonics character its gonna drive me crazy #rambles #sth #sonic frontiers spoilers #anyway this is just genuine curiosity and asking for clarification if anyone does think its in-character and why #i like hearing thoughts on this stuff #can you tell its midnight for me

[hecksupremechips]

Akane Kurashiki is the ultimate autistic character cuz not only is she autistic herself, but she’s specifically written in such a batshit way that flocks of autistic people spend their entire lives just studying her in a lab slowly going feral over the implications

#zero escape #akane kurashiki #those times i said i didnt like her but we all knew i was horribly doomed cuz by the time i wrote it my brain was rotting #i said i didnt like her. what i meant is i dont like what shes done to me #all my red string and cork board theories. the days ive spent trying to analyze single lines of dialogue #the people ive lost due to my obsession…..

[inthedeepeclipse]

On Ibara, Hiyori and the Buisness world of Enstars

Smth smth hiyoiba is a push and pull relationship of who will drop their guard down first. Hiyori is usually first to do so, because of the way Ibara grew up he won’t drop it unless its a completely private space.

I would say that Ibara knows that Hiyori puts up an act. I’m pretty sure its canon that Hiyori was communicating with Eden during Getto Spectacle, and especially towards Eden and upper management. They’re aware of it, but its hard to be vulnerable with these two.

They trust each other. They’re aware of the power they do hold. (Though I’m not sure if the child soldier thing was told to Hiyori in canon) At least in the business world, I’m guessing. Hiyori still has connections, and Ibara has the power to turn his creative ideas into reality.

I really do want an exploration of the buisness side of Enstars. We do have canon corporations, but technically its a competitive monopoly. Eden climax has already brought us a set up, and bringing us to an understanding of how being an idolized person in a competitive market makes you lose yourself and greed talking to make those actions take place.

Their first interactions are about Hiyori’s judge of character and the inner workings of CosPro. (Saga Release 6) Because that is what they know about each other at that moment.

ES is operated mostly by Tenshouin related companies, making their name more widespread. Hiyori comments about this in his Idol Story 2. This is making (his family’s) the Tomoe Foundation’s name lessen. HappyEle, please tell me where the Tomoe’s put their money in. Because its definitely not the entertainment industry.

Anyway, by Hiyori’s actions I suspect that the rest of the Tomoe’s are overworkers~! ⭐️ So while his parent’s respect his decision of going to the entertainment industry, they probably dont understand why he got there in the first place~! ⭐️ That’s why Hiyori is so against Ibara working so much~! ⭐️

#eden enstars #ensemble stars #enstars #hiyori tomoe #ibara saegusa #eden climax #ive been here for like a month and i analyzed this like mad #i havent read everything so its not entirely accurate #i would say rouge ruby is an exploration of that in the background #rouge ruby itself is jun and ibara having vastly different understanding of valentines day (mind vs heart) #anyways #ibara and hiyori hold the most knowledge of how ppl will act in buisness #i need an event around those two #because theyre both overthinkers and you cant change my mind about that #and theyre trying to discuss the next plans for eden that wont go awry #and also follows the orders of CosPro #i dont know how i wrote an essay but thats How I Am I Guess

[carnivalcarriondiscarded]

a little Welcome Home theory that's probably me looking entirely too much into a single line <3

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so i was clicking through the site for the thousandth time and this line caught my eye. maybe its 4 am and i haven't slept, maybe i'm onto something. who knows!

but this little thing... "and lively sets unlike anything seen before!". yeah, it could just be them propping up the show. OR maybe the puppets have been alive the whole time, fully autonomous but entirely unaware that they are puppets on a show. maybe to them, the neighborhood is real, and they simply cannot comprehend the presence of humans so their puppet minds don't register them. this could make for a "cosmic horror but for puppets" spin, which would be sick as fuck

their daytime is when the studio lights are on and people are around. idk how the people would teach them the scripts - maybe they did it at "night"? or maybe there was no script, and the puppets would automatically come up with their own shenanigans, dialogue, and segments that aligned with the show, bc that's what they were made for.

bc its not like the whrp team have physical puppets, or much other than art & reports, right? any information on the puppets - like Howdy being rotated between live-hand and walk-around - could've easily been a lie by the creators of the Welcome Home show. i mean, i don't think it would've gone down well if they came out and said "yeah the puppets are alive"

and now that i'm wondering how they could have living puppets, weren't the 60s/70s chock full of cults? could the WH creators have dipped into the occult to create living puppets for a ground breaking, popular, lucrative show, using minimal effort because "the show writes itself"? all they have to do is film and maybe change the puppets' costumes. if that - they could have set up hidden cameras or something.

and this is gonna sound even more far-fetched, but what if creating the puppets required human souls to power them? im not suggesting that the puppets have locked away memories from a "human life", bc that would be uh... a lot. but it's enough that given time and the right prompts, they could gain awareness, and maybe the soul does influence them in minor ways - in likes and dislikes etc.

and Wally being aware means that he fully saw the humans running the show. and maybe the occult thing is what's under Home - the source of black magic that brought the puppets to life seeping out. and he's aware because he looked into that source and it flipped a switch in his lil cotton brain

maybex2 this is what caused the show to not only shut down, but be wiped from existence. the magic seeped into Home, maybe killing someone in the process, and Wally was revealed as aware. maybe on live television. so the creators panicked and shut it all down, tried to destroy everything and gaslight the country into forgetting it ever existed. maybe in the hopes that once no one remembers the puppets, the magic will leech out of them and leave them lifeless

and that loops back into Wally being the only one referred to in present tense in the neighborhood bios. he's still aware, maybe trapped in the studio, alone. i mean, i sure hope he's not alone - i hope he has his friends with him. unless they're all decommissioned (dead)... maybe Wally is trying to bring them all back or "fix" them?

but then there's the case of all of this currently going down online. have the puppets' consciousness somehow been transferred to the internet? or has Wally gotten his little felt mittens on a computer? something else? and then there's the whrp team... could they be fake, and its really just Wally trying to cobble together the remains of his life/friends? i mean, the Question-Answerer sounds like a title a kid or naive puppet would come up with. people would've called them the Curator or somethin?

i have too many thoughts

#cuz like. AH no i should shut up i need to shut up. #no actually i dont and i wont. listen- #im just trying to piece together what clown has alluded to & what we know with the website #bc clearly the website is a Canon Thing. its part of all of this. #so how does it tie into everything #welcome home #welcome home puppet show #welcome home arg #AAAAAA I JUST!!!! I CANT WAIT FOR THIS SHINDIG TO KICK OFF #its gonna be a while obs which just means more time to be excited #and also come up with outlandish theories that are waaayyyyy off the mark #I HAVENT THOUGHT THIS MUCH ABOUT A THING IN AGES #like i love theorizing!!! and Thinking!!! this is the ultimate enrichment for my enclosure!!! #i am a tiger digging into a meat pumpkin!!! #this is why welcome home is a threat to all of my other interests #none of them make me think this much #analyzing characters & relationships and established storylines can only go so far #i need to PREDICT i need to IMAGINE i need to WAIT WAIT WAIT #i love the waiting. i also hate it. but i love it <3 #im very used to waiting. i have waited years for little things and i can wait as long as possible to watch this unravel #i have so. so. So many thoughts #about Wally and the Secrets and literally Everything #i am having fun. #it is consuming my brain and i can barely think about anything else and its FUN AS FUCK #*all of this said while guiltily side-eyeing my dc blog*

[mishapen-dear]

as much as im celebrating the Full Realization that yes, qbbh is recovering rn (he's on such an upswing!!), i am fully expecting there to be a downswing, and im expecting it to hit HARD.

the other day bbh made a very interesting comment- paraphrased: "it's easier when you have no attachments."

in context, he was talking about the bagi-cellbit situation and the hardship of attachments starting to conflict because of gaining so many of them, and trying to figure out what to do about cellbit (especially in regards to the feds and the eggs)

but it just. it Felt a Little Off. like maybe. foreshadowing. because he has so, so many attachments, and they keep causing him pain. how long has it been since he's last seen skeppy. how long has it been since he's seen the eggs. forever. now cellbit... qbbh is full of So Much Love and it keeps hurting him and, while he has recently swung away from hurting himself because his loved ones would be upset by it, what if he just... swung a little too far. and has a brief period of trying to drop those attachments entirely

#im just a sucker for some self destruction okay that's what this whole post is #i DO think there's gonna be a downswing #it'll prob not be this but a girl can dream #it would damage him so so so much #every breath he's taken has been motivated by love for at LEAST six months #and probably before the island too because of qskeppy #i want him to be like a rabid animal. trying to saw off his arm to escape the bear traps #it would last like 20 minutes but it would be awesome #qsmp badboyhalo #at some point i need to figure out a tagging system for when im being Silly about characters and when im seriously analyzing them #but the sillies turn into actual analysis too much and the actual analysis dont hold enough Weight often enough #smh smh the great perils of blorbo blogging #maybe a blorbo tag that doesnt send all posts to the maintag shadow realm too #tumblr search system you will always be beloathed

[woodlaflababab]

It never fails to make me sad to see people call Aang's arc stagnant or claim he didn't change. His arc is unconventional. It's not a well established trope so there's not obvious cues we can draw on that we've seen dozens of times before. (Not that there's anything wrong with well worn tropes. The classics are classics for a reason.) But the unwillingness to examine his story outside of trying to spot familiar patterns just saddens me.

Maybe it's because I relate to his arc so much, and it's a lesson that I see so many people struggle with yet a lesson I rarely see truely represented.

Aang's arc is about balance. It's not like Zuko's, it's not about having a set of ideals and having to challenge and ultimately discard them for new 'better' ideals. Aang already has some pretty solid ideals, but the problem is, he sits in extremes. Throughout the entire series he is tettertottering between extremes of many different kinds, with these changes becomes less drastic as he goes on and builds his balance.

One of the things he has to balance, that I wish people saw because it is so so important, is the balance between protecting yourself vs protecting others. In the water you hold a child above your head, but in a falling airplane you provide yourself an oxygen mask first.

It's self-care vs matching expectations.

Which is such an insanely relevent contemporary subject and only becomes more so as we go on. Too often you see the hero must learn to be willing to sacrifice everything, whether for the world or for a person, but that's not healthy and is an ideal that can go wrong very quickly.

I just wish people saw this. I wish people saw Aang's climax of his arc as validation that they are allowed to be themselves, that they don't have to be what everyone expects of them, that bring true to yourself and being what people need are not mutually exclusive. I want people to see Aang and understand the value of being an individual made up of your background and personality and not a being formed to fit what's most efficient for society.

I want people to see Aang and know that it's possible to have this balance, that wanting to do things differently does not mean failing. I want people to see Aang and know that they don't have to lose childhood in order to grow and improve.

Some characters start out with incorrect answers, and they learn the correct ones, and we recognize this, but it's just as important to learn that sometimes you do have the right answer, it's just that there's more than one right answer and you can't cling to a single one as the pure singular truth.

Idk. I want people happy. I want Aang happy.

#aang #atla #aang meta #atla meta #woodlaflababab #just me being sad abt things #when you analyze media #try to find whats there #dont look for whats not #aang talks #atla talks

[sapphire-weapon]

The point of storytelling is to convey a message and/or provoke an emotional response from the audience.

If a story doesn't evoke an emotion from you, then it didn't evoke an emotion from you. To inject emotions into the text retroactively does nothing to enhance the story; all you're doing is hurting your own feelings and then trying to blame someone else's work for it.

If your goal is to analyze a story, you need to look at what the story actually says -- not what you think it should say.

#meta analysis #writing tag #ive said it before and ill say it again #i dont write meta for ships #i analyze what the text actually says and then ships just fall out of it #i didnt go into re4make hoping or trying to read eagleone as canon #there was no part of me that ever thought that would happen #but then i looked at what the story actually did #and there it was

[theygender]

Does anyone have any good book recommendations that talk about transmisogyny in a way that would be entry level to like. A 50 year old cis lesbian

#especially ones that talk about the ways that our society primes even trans allies to view trans women in a negative light #my mom is trying but i think she could use some help understanding in a way that i dont think i could just talk her through #she seems to think my gf is more like standoffish than she actually is and she thinks my gf is being rude when shes emotional about smth #and im talking her through it from the perspective of like #'as a human being and as someone who is all too familiar with homophobia please understand what this is like from her perspective' #but i feel like. theres some unconscious transmisogyny going on here and i really wish my mom could understand that #but i dont think shes ever even heard of transmisogyny before. she has no context #i cant try and talk her through it from that perspective bc she would need a lot of background to understand what im saying #and i dont think trying to explain transmisogyny theory in the middle of an argument would be helpful #if i could recommend her a good book under the context that it would help her understand me and my gf as trans people #and if she read through it and took the time to understand it which i do believe she would #i feel like it might help her to kind of analyze if the thoughts shes having are influenced by transmisogyny and start unpacking that #and also importantly i feel like she could look at what my gf is going through not just from the human and lgbt perspective im asking her to #but also from her perspective As A Woman #bc i feel like theres a missing piece there right now. my mom supports us and respects my gfs gender #but i dont think shes looking at these situations in context As A Fellow Woman #idk #rambling

[imperiuswrecked]

Going into the Namor tags everyday and seeing people twist every single thought, word, and action Mcu!Namor and Comic!Namor does as proof for a non canon ship to the point they are screaming that Namor is nothing without Ship Character while they continue to ignore the fact that Namor is his own character.

#namor #mcu namor #my ramblings #they are taking comics out of context now for this #*swings bat back and forth* #BACK BACK I SAY #legit maybe trying analyzing the times they do interact in canon and not just make shit all about this ship #if you see this post and want to argue with me about that ship no you dont

[icewindandboringhorror]

finally settling once and for all... with the evidence laid out plainly.. which of these brother boys is more stinkys ,,,

#also please for the love of gourd do not take this seriously i am joking I do not hold any of these behaviors against my cats I know that #all cats are a little stinky and weird I have had cats all of my life I am not genuinely condemning my cats i am being silly please lol #(some of my goofy cat posts in the past will always get like.. one or two people taking an issue with something incredibly #mundane. like me saying a cat is being rude or somehting and someone being like 'um actually cats cant process the concept of #rudeness. he has no idea he did anything wrong!' ........ yes...... i am aware.. that my cat has the brain of a cat lol #ANYWAY.... polls!!! so excited to have polls.. I will try not to be annoyig but I just love asking random things to the general #public. in friend groups I am always the one asking people to taking surveys. quizzes. making surveys and handing them out. etc. #the rare times I can partially overcome my social anhedonia/inability to socially function properly/etc. is when I'm interviewing people or #socializing specifically in the context of like Information Gathering lol #I love running questionairres and stuff . even about the most mundane pointless topics. there's just soemthing really interesting #about like....... being able to ask people stuff and then look at and analyze the results. #Even though that's an incredibly simple average thing. idk.. my brain loves information even if it's pointless silly information. #I Just Think It's Neat. I have so so sos os oso many ideas but I wanted to make the first poll about my cats #of course because I'm also obsessed with them lol. I was thinking of taking some of the pictures of them in front of a blank #canvas and doing a poll of 'what are they painting?' or 'what should they paint?' but I decided to go with babey crimes #for now. inspired by various baby crimes committed just this morning. Fresh on my mind.. #I wish they had a middle option though between '1 day' and '1 week'. I think a week is too long for a poll like this but also #one day is not long enough because I dont really have THAT many active followers. if it was just a day it would probably reach like 5 poepl #people. I want to at least be able to reblog it a few times maybe. lol #I think 3-4 days would be ideal. Its a new feature though. I'm sure they'll modify things as time goes on. #Still feeling sick and bad and weird and not being that productive at all generally but... I have just enough energy stores.. #using up every ounce of my power to make a goofy poll... a worthy sacrifice....

[todayisafridaynight]

hi sisters its poll results time

take this data for what you will

#snap chats #who kept saying daigo wasnt fuckable on these btw #they were saying that as if the fuckable results were losing 😭😭 #its really funny that daigo is simultaneously Apparently more fuckable than ichi but not at the exact same time #and keep in mind only three more people voted on the daigo poll than ichi's yet LMAO #these are actually really funny results analyze these with me #because technically ichi is considered less fuckable personally to people but in general he's seen as more fuckable #while more people would personally fuck daigo but more people- while can concede he's fuckable- wouldnt fuck him #in general tho ichi is perceived as more fuckable than daigo by a wopping approximate 8% #hm..... disappointed in you lot i cannot fathom fucking ichi #i love him but.... well girl i cant argue with the science #but people would agree he isn't personally fuckable.... im squinting but also very intrigued #and again with daigo that one can get more complicated because i know people find Y2 daigo more fuckable/vice versa #sorry still trying to wrap my head around ichi being fuckable SORRY #im a scientist its my job to be objective and unbiased but WOW #AGAIN ITS NOT EVEN THE MORE PEOPLE WOULD PERSONALLY DO HIM IT'S JUST THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS GREATER #but yeah. that was fun. goofy even #ALSO THIS ISNT TO PIT THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER i just happened to do these #and i dont really plan on doing any more so #as a stats guy i really wish i could easily get more detailed responses #i could do a google forms but i dont think anyones gonna do this again lmao #cant tell if its more respectable to be fuckable but people not wanting to fuck you or to be fuckable and to have people wanting to fuck ya #like if i were to pit these kings against each other who technically wins cause again In General Fuckability ichi wins #but for the audience wanting to bang em... #anyways thanks for participating you get a lollipop as a reward for your contribution

[tori-artemis]

I don't usually make posts when I'm upset about something (or like, at all) but honestly I'm just. Really sick of the Loki fandom as a whole. Like I'm just tired of all the pettiness and bullshit. And tbh it's on both ends of the Loki series/Ragnarok split. Both pros and antis.

This isn't so much a vague post as it's a vent post for me. You see, I've been having these feelings about the Loki fandom overall for months now, and I've seen certain posts from the positive side where I just want to - jump in and say something, or at least speak for myself as an ""anti"" (hate that word btw) bc the amount of generalizing I've seen that goes on over there wrt ppl who dislike the show is just - well it's fucking frustrating. Like it annoys me bc I've heard every dumb overgeneralization since the show first came out, from not wanting Loki to move on bc we're oh-so-traumatized to we're just bitter bc the show didn't go the way we wanted/our hcs of Loki weren't validated, etc.

I think one that annoyed me the most was the claim that ppl who hate/dislike Sylvie as a character do so out of misogyny. And like - maybe there's some truth there wrt how the character/actress tend to be bombarded with gendered slurs, and yes that's not cool, but I've never referred to Sylvie or Sophia as any slur. (In fact I don't even hate Sylvie - what I do hate is how the writers have set her up as a "superior" contrast to Loki, which to me seems very intentional on their part, particularly wrt the Trauma Olympics™ as in "Sylvie had it so much harder" 🙄 - but I digress). Yet I can't help but feel like I'm being lumped in the "antis are misogynists" bin every time I read any of those posts from the pro side, simply bc I dislike the way a character was utilized. The way those posts are written, the way they sound - it's very black and white, overgeneralizing an entire group of fans, there's no nuance or side notes or disclaimers of "hey - I know not all of y'all are like this, this is just about some I've encountered" - not even in the tags, nothing. And I've just wanted so badly to jump in and say: "hey, anti here and I'm not like that" but I refrain, bc I've grown so tired of all the fandom infighting and discourse that I usually don't have the energy to get into it. So when I see someone from that side of fandom jump on a post and say how they dislike being overgeneralized as a fan, and how they feel like they're being misrepresented, or condescended to... I can't help but feel kinda upset by that, ngl. Part of me just wants to say "yes it sucks, but recognize that your side (if not you yourself) does it too. Some of you folks do it too."

Like I've read posts implying/stating that antis who hate the show lack critical thinking skills - and like, look, there might be a bit of truth wrt, say, calling Sylvie an outright abuser (and even I've been a little guilty of agreeing to view her as a person with toxic traits as opposed to the enemy-to-lovers trope she clearly falls into - tho I still can't really fault myself for not being able to take that romance seriously due to how damn rushed and forced it felt - but that's besides the point). But there's just something about the way a lot of these posts are worded, like yes some posts are pretty reasonable, but others are practically dripping with condescending sentiment (for lack of better words) as if we're fucking stupid for having emotional reactions to media as opposed to critical reactions, when isn't that the point of media and art, to illicit emotions? Like yes, the story might be trying to say something (and it might epically fail in doing so, which is how I view the show overall) but it's also meant to move ppl. And if it fails to do so, or it garners an unintended reaction, or the characterization is too inconsistent or the story telling itself is rushed/filled with inconsistencies then can you really blame fans for, well, being blindsided by disappointment/their emotions as opposed to critically analyzing it? And yes I know this is a matter of opinion, but still.

(Like sometimes a story can be extremely well written overall, and very well thought out and fans will just be oblivious to, choose to ignore or even outright refuse to pick up on the symbolism within a story, or the internal motivations/conflicts within a character, or how a character progresses/character arcs in general. Sometimes fans will even completely and intentionally misread a character in their entirety, and the role they play within a story, no matter how skilled and how excellent the writing is within a piece of art. And sometimes fans will just overall fail to realize the major themes/hints that a writer carefully lays out. Yes this is a thing, and one I've been made aware of in the particular fandom that I'm about to join.)

But then there's stories that are just... lazily/half-heartedly written at best, and so I just don't understand where pro stans get off by being condescending to ppl like me who just couldn't be immersed due to all those flaws in storytelling. Especially when I didn't get enough out of it to even see where a lot of these conclusions fans seem to have drawn from it. Like there are some inconsistencies within the story itself, there are things that just don't make a whole lot of sense, there are many contradictions, I didn't just make them up. And again I know, everyone interprets media differently, but I don't really see what a lot of pro fans have taken from the series, bc I personally don't think its there. And I really don't appreciate being thought of as some kind of imbecile for not "getting it" when the media in question is, objectively... not all that great tbh. And I'm being absolutely neutral when I say that, like I'm literally not even hating here.

And like I could've easily have turned around and made a bunch of posts stating how pro fans are "stupid" for putting so much thought into a piece of media I personally find to be stupid or just lacking in general, but I haven't. Bc one: that's a shitty thing to do to ppl, and two: it wouldn't even be true bc so many ppl who I consider very intelligent have enjoyed this show, and do put a lot of thought into analyzing it, so despite me not really seeing where they're coming from I want to respect that. And look, it's not like I haven't had those presumptuous thoughts or knee jerk reactions, bc yeah I am in an echo chamber too, and I'm no saint - I'm definitely human and I've had some overgeneralized, uncharitable takes. But I recognize this about myself, I don't post that shit. Which is why I get so upset when I see so many other fans do just that.

Also there is a definite misuse of the depiction of torture, which is used to convey certain themes, and that's very unfortunate, and IMO very bad writing/storytelling. I probably would've been a little more charitable towards the series overall if the Sif-beatdown timeloop scene had been scrapped altogether like the writers seriously should've considered doing (due to the fact that torture has so many misconceptions and is grossly excused in the majority of media which has unfortunate real world consequences) and instead focus more on Loki confronting his fear of being alone, if that truly is what the intention for that scene was. Like yes, some antis might go overboard wrt the messaging within the show, but when it comes to things like the atrocious time loop scene... that's not a made up thing we just happen to pull out of nowhere, that's something the writers put in there and therefore, yeah that's pretty fucked.

Then on the other side I'll find myself liking a post from a negative series fan bc I'll agree with the overall sentiment of it, only to unlike it right after reading the tags bc they've said something like "ppl who like this show/movie/etc are stupid" or "if you ever defended or even enjoyed TR fuck you" - and like??? WTF. I understand disliking the show or whatever but why the hell would you brush over an entire group of real, actual people as "idiots" for simply liking a piece of media??? Like - do I think the show was a disjointed mess? Yeah, I do. Do I think it was poorly written? Yes. Do I even think the reasoning behind a lot of these writing decisions was really fucking stupid on the creators part (or at the very least, that they failed to convey their ideas clearly)? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean anyone who's ever enjoyed the show is stupid for doing so, and I say this as someone who does have the knee-jerk reaction to go "how could you like that show, it sucked so much!"

But like, at the end of the day I understand that ppl take different things out of media. And just bc you find something so stupid or unwatchable, doesn't mean others will, and that's okay bc ppl are different and have different tastes and IDK how ppl don't fucking get that??? Like why is this even a hot take when it's literally just a fact???

It's shit like this that makes me feel like leaving the fandom all together. Which I don't really want to do, bc despite everything wrong with fandom and despite my own personal disappointment with the latest Loki/Thor franchise installments I still really love Loki as a character, and I still want to write fic revolving him. I even still want to make friends within the Loki fandom bc that's literally why I created this blog in the first place, to befriend other Loki fans, like I could've easily stayed being a lurker within the fandom but regardless I think at this point it's farfetched to want this bc the fandom's just way too split and way too hostile and way too fucking eager to be uncharitable and condescending af. And I'm just tired. I'm just... really really tired of the pettiness, the condescending attitude a lot of fans seem to fucking have for anyone who might think differently from them.

I'm tired of the gatekeeping - on both sides. It's on both sides. Because saying "real Loki fans would never like/defend TR/the show" and "how anyone can claim to be a Loki fan if they hate him/his own show" aren't so far apart from each other, both sentiments basically say the same thing, just from polarized viewpoints.

And I wish more fans would just recognize that.

#Loki fandom negativity #I refuse to tag this as anything else bc this isn't about the show - it's the fandom #look I'm just tired guys #I've been fed up and sick of all the damn fucking pettiness #Maybe I'm being overdramatic here #But in my defense I too am in the middle of experiencing that time of the month... #(I swear this isn't so much about that particular post as it is about all the other posts and nonsense I've seen #and the disappointment I've had with fandom that's just been pent up inside of me) #I know ppl follow me who are really entrenched in the negativity side who might take offense to this #And while I'm not really trying to offend anyone here I don't really want to go on pretending that I'm not kinda upset by all the - #posts and hot takes and hate bashing of fans/folks who might've actually enjoyed the show - bc yeah I hate that damn show too #but I can't help but feel disappointed when ppl start calling folks ''idiots'' and whatnot for enjoying a piece of media #THIS IS A BOTH SIDES ISSUE AND IM FUCKING TIRED OF IT #ALL OF YOU (GENERALLY) FUCKING GATEKEEP THE FANDOM #BOTH CONDESCEND THE OTHER SIDE AND ITS. FUCKING SHITTY #NO IM NOT A MISOGYNISTIC IDIOT WHO'S INCAPABLE OF CRITICALLY ANALYZING A MEDIOCRE/SUBPAR SHOW #AND NO JUST BC I HATE THE SHOW DOESNT MEAN I WANT TO HATEBASH ANYONE WHO ENJOYED IT #PPL ARENT IDIOTS OR STUPID FOR LIKING/DISLIKING A PIECE OF MEDIA FFS #like even discussing with some friends on discord is frustrating when they say things like ''i judge ppl who like the show'' #like no. stop doing that shit. dont condescend others like that #if anyone seeing this feels offended and wants to block/unfollow thats okay #ive already made another blog focusing on a completely different fandom #so im probably going to be dipping out of here soon anyway #i just wanted to get this off my chest before doing so #also i know there are some cool ppl here on both sides/in the middle but im just done #i said i wasnt going to talk about the show but then i just went and did so #loki series criticism i guess #might as well title this post 'How to lose friends and alienate loki fans' #tldr: everyone (generally) in this damn fandom is fucking petty and IM TIRED