#discourse

[reachartwork]

just found the most fascinating anti-ai person who is only anti-ai because they make and sell the software that spambots USED to use to flood the internet with low quality SEO-bait garbage and chatgpt is putting them out of business. what a fascinating category of human to be. i had never even considered that someone had to be actually making the spambots and that they have feelings too.

#discourse #man #what the fuck

[weirdwonderfulworld]

and on steven............. i can't even express how gross it felt to see the ways people reached to ruin his name and abuse him online. demonic behavior.

i didn't start watching watcher bc of steven, i'm gonna be honest. but his content, character, and yes, his mere influence on the company is one of the biggest reasons watcher came to be one of my favorite youtube channels.

i fell in love with steven and his content through dish granted, the way he poured in all his creative effort and know-how so that he could give his friends and loved ones a special, personalized, larger-than-life meal. i thought it was so sweet, and that show is actually one my favorites on the channel.

i still remember how impressed i was to hear steven had proposed to his now-wife with a lab-grown diamond ring, bc he intentionally wanted something more sustainable.

i remember steven's speech for his unforgettable gala award, the way he listed out the asian content creators who came before him, who shaped the space and influenced him. he carried himself with humility, respect, and reverence for the past, and i thought it was extremely admirable.

i remember the "making watcher" episode where shane and ryan outright said that steven was the reason for watcher's survival. how steven stepped up to handle the business side of things when nobody else could. of course the guy isn't a businessman. he's a creative. but he stepped away from his own passions to make sure their company could stay afloat.

and did you notice how many employees at watcher are asian? these folks are damn talented, damn good at their jobs. i don't have direct proof of this, but i just know that steven had a hand in making watcher an incredibly safe and inclusive place to work for asian folks and other minorities. and as an asian viewer, i could feel that influence in the videos. i can feel the care watcher takes to make inclusive content, to make content that feels like the people behind it care. for watcher, "asian" isn't a buzzword someone slaps onto a video to make it sound interesting. it's cultural, it's natural, it's loving. i can't explain it but i feel that distinction and it carries the same exact energy steven does in his videos.

so it was incredibly wild and surreal to have fans try their best to tear all of that down, because he misspoke in the announcement video and... he drives a tesla? i don't even have to touch on that because people know how inconsequential that is to the matter at hand. i don't know how else to make you believe that steven driving a tesla is not an indication of him being evil or an immoral level of wealthy. like be for fucking real, please.

i have never felt so disconnected with this community than i did watching people attack steven for business decisions made by multiple grown-ass people. i will never look at this community the same way i did before. i know all this time, people were jumping for a reason to villainize steven. and nobody can convince me i don't know why.

#watcher #discourse #thoughts #steven

[conarcoin]

what happened with sdmp?

#sdmp #discourse

[levyfiles]

some people are mad at steven for a moral issue, tbf. regardless of your thoughts on watcher’s streaming service he did still say he has racist and homophobic friends. he still goes to a homophobic church.

I absolutely recognise that you must have been recently introduced to The Pod Clip that the twitter teens who hate him preserved to break out whenever it's a fresh moment to rally hate against him, but I would advise anyone just receiving this clip from August 2020 being passed around with the angle that Watcher tried to hide this. I and many others were there and just know that I have a zero tolerance standard for people who show no remorse or growth when they uplift racists and bigots.

Mine and other fans who were startled by the statement hoped publicly that it would be an opportunity to clear the air for Watcher because the current political climate was just finally examining anti-blackness in everyone's biases and as someone who is mixed-African growing up in an Asian household, I know that anti blackness is and has been a normalised mindset in the Asian community.

But the thing is, months before this, Steven platformed Tammy and her colleagues to discuss how all of us can work together to stop Asian hate and one of the conversations I highlighte back then was how very clear Tammy was that allyship from the Asian community to the African-American community was tantamount to moving forward. That the us vs them rhetoric has and continues to be harmful for both parties. Ryan and Steven were very involved in this discussion and agreed wholeheartedly.

Having said that, the narrative around the podcast ep never had a chance to be discussed rationally. It really ended up skewed because Steven's response to the backlash from that clip was this

I hope that's legible to you. Many people who felt uneasy about what he said felt a lot better and his intention to say something at the top of the next episode would once again, unfortunately, get derailed because Twitter users (some who are particularly loud about loving and supporting Watcher yet constantly join in on the throng of bullying as soon as the tide turns) were adamant that they needed Watcher to post the clip and Steven's apology publicly on their youtube front page and on the main socials, to literally advertise it when the reality is that not many people were watching/listening to the podcast. For what reason would it be intelligent or good business practice to broadcast this hurtful moment so that more people could get hurt by it?

Watcher's response amid the harassment was to release a full podcast episode where they all discussed what they would do going forward to show that they are allies, not just by not being racist or homophobic but by being anti-these things. They showed that they cared about their impact. It was emotional and devastating to watch and by that time, we knew the pod was likely going to wind down. 2020 was already a miserable time and it was made worse because no matter what Steven or Watcher said at the time, the "stans" on Twitter wanted the man fired, they posted memes saying the world would be better if Steven Lim didn't exist, they wanted him shamed by his staff, and for Ryan and Shane to publicly disavow him. Many of these so-called devoted fans raided the server to yell about how Steven's alleged homophobia hurts them, most of them were white and pointedly talking over people of colour telling them "it's not your apology to accept!". It was a blood bath.

And I see waaaay too many of the same faces utilizing this completely neutral move--that of COURSE could have been executed better--to terrorize Steven, to make petitions to get him fired, commenting on his wedding photo telling him that Tammy should leave him, posting those same damn disgusting memes because you see, a whole bunch of people forgot how disgusting and evil this vendetta was to the point where even watcher's socials started to FOLLOW some of these genuinely mean-spirited individuals. They didn't give a shit about a movement or activism.

What kills me--what absolutely THROWS me--is that these same people expect to be able to return to interacting with the staff, attending live shows, buying merch and sending fan mail as soon as the hate tide winds down. All these people so concerned about a statement referencing faceless hypothetical racists and homophobes that Steven never named nor attributed any context for--as he was never given the chance--are so quick to dehumanize and caricaturize real human beings to their faces and they think this is a normal and acceptable behaviour.

You'll have to excuse me, as an older fan who has seen my fair share of normalised homophobia and racism in these communities, if I disagree.

#watcher #steven lim #discourse

[etoilesbienne]

The way all of the former admins who are women are getting treated is slowly turning me into the joker I won't lie

#qadmin situation #neg #discourse

[royalarchivist]

Retro shared this a little bit ago, and I agree with her wholeheartedly.

I'd also like to add that any type of bullying or harassment, regardless of who it's directed at — be it current or former admins, other QSMP workers, fellow fans, or streamers — will not be tolerated here.

#mod talk #discourse #I try to limit how much I post about this kind of stuff but honestly I'm getting so tired of seeing wave after wave of this

[clownfessionsofficial]

Saw a post claiming that trans men who don't pass still benefit from the patriarchy because male names are more likely to have favorable responses on job applications. Do they not realize a large amount of trans men have non-traditional names, many of which are neutral or even traditionally feminine leaning (Exhibit A: myself. My name is Fable) Or the fact that a large amount of trans people literally don't have their name legally changed?

But yeah, my fem-neutral preferred name (not even my legal name) is definitely gonna give me a leg up on things, guys /s

I'm so tired if this validity contest pitting the trauma of transmasc and transfemme people against each other when in reality, your experiences will far more hinge on the area you live in and how well you pass rather than if you're ftM or mtF. They hate all of us. They want to kill all of us. Stop making it easy for them by annoying tf out of fellow trans folk by basically telling them they have it easy.

#transandrophobia #transphobia #discourse

[sals-sonic]

Everytime I see that one yt short about "fixing proshippers' art" I roll my eyes.

And it's not like they are altering anything nsfw either. I've seen them censor a kid in a dress, not sexual at all mind you, by drawing pants over her knees. It's like dude... The drawing wasn't even sexual until you sexualized it...

They like to point fingers at proshippers but they are the ones seeing fetish even when it isn't there.

This is not to say fetish art is bad btw. Just pointing out how antis project more than half of the time

#literally 50s censorship and hays code vibes #posted this on aethy first #profic #proship #proship please interact #anti censorship #discourse #my post

[azure-clockwork]

I love three houses discourse because I'm pretty sure everyone just picks their route based on which house leader they're the most gay for and then tries to defend their pick by pointing out the other sides's war crimes via twitter memes. Reader, all four of them do substantial quantities of war crimes. So many. We're just here because the woman with Issues and a big fuck-off axe said so, and then we gotta justify everything she did in the name of dismantling the class system. I mean, I'm here for that, but you could also try justifying Charm Man uses poison and perfidy to try to stop racism, A Sad Little Meow Meow gives no quarter instead of doing therapy, or the Thicc Pope tries to bring back her mom via human experimentation, depending on your tastes

#This is 100% swinging at a hell of a hornet's nest #Do I tag it? #Yeah fuck it we ball #fe3h #fe16 #edelgard von hresvelg #claude von riegan #dimitri alexandre blaiddyd #rhea fire emblem #I should probably clarify that I love all of these characters quite dearly #Well except Rhea #I think she's a good character but I'm not feral about her like Edelgard or charmed by her like Claude or desperate to save her like Dimitr #discourse #edelgard discourse

[ingravinoveritas]

Just wanted to drop a line to say that I know folks are concerned about Michael unexpectedly not appearing in Nye tonight, but there is a good chance that all of this is related to technical issues/preparing for the live filming of the show that is set to be broadcast into cinemas tomorrow night. Michael also doesn't strike me as the type of person to miss work unless he absolutely can't help it, so the best thing at this point is to stay calm until we know more, rather than getting worked up for potentially no reason...

#michael sheen #welsh seduction machine #nye the play #national theatre #i just hate to see everyone freaking out when this could literally be nothing #sometimes it's good to take a breath and step back for a moment #as shoemakerobstetrician also said if it was announced only 30 minutes prior to the show that means someone knew about it well before then #so i don't think this was as last minute as people are thinking it is #sending all best wishes to Michael of course #and hoping tomorrow's live filming will go off without a hitch #fandom woes #thoughts #discourse #gif by me

[comfymoth]

Any thoughts on Nacho (apparently Cucurucho's egg)?

honestly? like i said a while back, i’m not really watching any of the new qsmp content. to be completely blunt, i just can’t get invested in any new arcs or new eggs when i can’t trust what’s going on behind the scenes.

it’s frustrating to see them running things with the updates accounts and roleplay admins when they specifically said they wouldn’t. it’s frustrating that nothing seems to have actually changed or gotten better, people still haven’t been paid and still aren’t being communicated with. it just feels like they’re prioritizing new content over what we actually want, which is accountability, and honesty.

i don’t know. i’m very upset with the whole situation. so i really have no thoughts on nacho, i just can’t engage with that stuff at all. sorry

#qsmp #discourse

[aroacesafeplaceforall]

No variation of "if" "and" or "but" will make it okay to cross someone's boundaries in such an invasive and uncomfortable way as shipping, like cmon. you can. simple Not Ship People? You can REMEMBER That PLATONIC FRIENDSHIPS exist? You can remember that DUOS do not have to be ROMANTIC or QUEERPLATONIC or anything BUT PLATONIC??? sorry this bugs me a lot bc i got into massive trouble for people thinking i (female) (aroace) was dating my best friend (also female) (homophobic environment)

exactly, its not that fucking hard

#asks #ask #asexual #aromantic #aroace #qpr #discourse #shipping discourse

[weirdwonderfulworld]

i keep saying "one last thought" BUT I KEEP HAVING MORE and i type this one out as i am in literal tears ajshshsh.

i am not going to speak for steven bc he is a grown man with his own feelings and i have no business projecting my own feelings onto him but i will say there's something i feel asian americans are really good at doing and that's holding space for others. as a fil-am i think asian americans are so very good at stamping down our own needs and desires when it boils down to surviving, to navigating tough decisions, to making sure our loved ones can weather bad storms. i feel it's something usually so ingrained in our cultures, especially with first and second gen immigrants. and i could spend time here making the obvious connection here to steven but i won't.

what i want to do is extend my heart out to the watcher fans of color, specifically the asian friends in our community, and i want to give you back some of the space you held onto this past weekend. i know there are people out there who long ago joined this fandom for fun, then last friday, saw the fan response and was hit with this large wave of burden. because people were mad. and then people were cruel, in a way they might not even have understood. and you wanted to say something but there was nothing to say that wouldn't invite the same cruelty onto you.

out of three people behind a business decision, i saw one man receive the most hate for it. and the hate was so disproportionate, so deep and personal, that you knew the hate was coming from somewhere else that's usually unspoken. not everyone felt it, and it's not something any one person can describe to make them feel it. but maybe you felt it.

if so, i am so sorry that you had to hold that space, hold your tongue, and absorb it all. of course all folks won't feel this strongly affected but to the folks who do, to the ones who feel like this community has permanently changed for them, to the ones who are still grieving something that was never supposed to hurt them in this way—i am with you, i believe your pain, and i'm sorry that people are still trying to blame you for your own pain. i don't even know what else to say other than i love and support you. you're part of what made the original community so fun, inclusive, and welcoming. i hope you know that you're still so valued as a part of this community—maybe not the same exact one as before, but the one i want to see and create for us moving forward. some people will not hold the space for us, and to that, i say good riddance. together we can hold a kinder space large enough for us all... ❣❣

#watcher #thoughts #discourse #?not quite #so interesting how fandom discourse and backlash can be literally triggering but if you express that then you like. hate poor people sjsjsj #im using humor to cope but genuinely i am sending my love to you all! #im actually ready to move on now hoo boy

[waddei]

man what the fuck is this account and why is tommy here hop off my goat what the fuck You Mean "sexualizing Taylor swift" and "obsession with lesbians" are we all crazy. does anyone hear me

#discourse #wddy

[aropride]

i really do like the song who's afraid of little old me from ttpd for the most part, it's one of the only songs from the album that was better than just mediocre in my opinion. however there is a lot to be said about how taylor swift, a self-described "very sane" person raised on various farms and mansions by rich parents, is using the imagery of mental illness and specifically institutionalization as an aesthetic, without any real understanding of the implications of that sort of comparison.

#text #discourse

[talonsin]

I find it funny how antis have no problem with characters being child soldiers and getting brutally injured, traumatized and killed. Truly the epitome of no sex only murder

#like i know child soldier is a staple of battle shounen anime but cmon #proship #profic #discourse #talon.txt