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anghraine · 6 months
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Most of us in Tolkien fandom (at least in these parts) have a profound affection for some passingly mentioned female character we know almost nothing about.
Today's for me: Rían of Gondor, daughter of the Steward Barahir, sister of the Steward Dior, and mother of the Steward Denethor I (not to be confused with Boromir and Faramir's father, Denethor II).
She's one of the few named Gondorian women, but we know even less about her than most. We don't know who her husband was. We don't know what she thought or felt or did with regard to anything. All we know is that, while not the Steward herself, she was the first woman the rule of Gondor had ever passed through.
The Stewards committed their rule like a kingship, father to eldest son, and it was the established position of Gondor that its rule couldn't pass through women (see Princess Fíriel!). Perhaps the Stewards or the Council of the time justified changing their policy through the absence of a technical king, but the Stewards received the powers of absent kings from day 1 and were described by Gandalf as more powerful than actual kings like Théoden. The Ruling Stewards passed the Stewardship in exactly the same way as the kings had passed the crown—until Rían and Denethor.
If their excuse was that they weren't really kings, it would be pretty transparently an excuse to let the rule of Gondor pass through a woman's lineage for the first time.
What part did Rían play in this? Did she have to fight to get the White Rod in Denethor's hands? Was she a voluntary participant in the whole thing at all? What was her relationship like with her brother Dior, who passed the Stewardship to her son? Her relationship with Denethor himself? What about the unnamed but presumably existent husband (a kind of fun reversal of the usual "implied but unnamed women," lol)?
I want to knowwww.
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lotr-fashion · 9 months
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Gondor fashion
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iamnotshazam · 4 months
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Aragorn and Arwen have their son Eldarion twenty years after their wedding, and at least two or more daughters. That's the extent of canon info about their family after LotR. If we're going by what Tolkien's ghost would think is canonical pseudo-medieval gender roles, that's twenty years where the Reunited Kingdom has no heir.
Which is fine for Peredhel-turned-mortal Arwen, when elves can go centuries between having kids, and Dúnadan Aragorn, who knows he's got another 80-100 years in the tank before he *coughs politely* can't empty the tank. The Arnor Dúnedain, who for generations as an entire people have been crashing on Elrond's couch while larping at still having a kingdom, would understand this intuitively. But the people of Gondor (only a small percentage of which I think are Dúnedain?) may not quiiiiite understand this, not completely internalized it.
So they are hovering around Arwen, this beautiful alien creature that just landed in their backyard and snapped up the most available bachelor before he even came on the market, and she sometimes says outrageous things like "oh, I remember King Eärendur's wife liked this cookie recipe" and the servants and guests at tea cannot help but share a Look because that was 2160+ years ago, and does someone have to ask her if . . . if she knows what sex is?
In a pseudo medieval society it is the queen's duty to bear an heir, but like, she was raised an elf. Can we pressure her like we do our own kind into having grandbabies ASAP, or will she turn us into frogs? It's possible there are women who go through their entire reproductive years in between when Arwen has these kids. If Eldarion is her first then gossip in Minas Tirith for those twenty years must have been insane, waiting for an heir. Do elves even breed like we do? Did Beren and Lúthien spawn Dior Eluchíl in a pond? Did Tuor have to carry Eärendil like a seahorse? Do we have to catch a stork in the cabbage patch? Is Aragorn gonna have to lay eggs? What's the hold up?
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sesamenom · 10 months
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Day 6 Traditions for @tolkiengenweek: Arwen embroidering the Gondor standard with strands of hair as a continuation of a family tradition started by Luthien's hair cloak.
I think I might have said something about this before but i can't find the post, so basically my idea is that it's become a family tradition for whoever the current mini-luthien is to sew or weave something with their hair during times of war, usually for the protection or remembrance of a loved one.
for luthien, it's obviously the hair cloak. dior sews some of his hair into the hem of his kids' cloaks just before the sack of doriath. kid elwing, when told of her family's deaths, creates a little memorial tapestry with her hair woven into it. elrond during the last alliance weaves his hair into isildur's cloak and elendil's banner. arwen embroiders the white tree with her hair.
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brighter-arda · 10 months
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Legacies (Celebrimbor, Gil-galad, Elrond, Aragorn, Arwen)
For @tolkiengenweek
Part 21 of toi's indigenous tolkien series
[Image description. Five images inside a rectangle with text 'we live with legacies' 'we live with ghosts'
1: a Black man with bead necklaces and decorative face scarification. Behind him is flames, around his head is eight pointed stars. In front of him is a eight pointed star and text = Grandson of Fëanor
2: M'Baye Campbell-Kante (a Black man) wearing green on a background of gold crowns. Behind his head is a blood splash that looks like a crown. Text = 'Last High King of the Noldor in Middle Earth' 'Scion of Kings'
3: a shirtless Black man in front of a blue-green door. Text behind him = Earendil was my sire, who was born in Gondolin before its fall: and my mother was Elwing, daughter of Dior, son of Lúthien of Doriath
4: a Black man in leaves. Behind him is the tree of Gondor. In front is text = You are Isildur's heir, not Isildur himself
5: a Chadian woman with black braids. She wears red. Text = it was said that the likeness of Lúthien had come on earth again]
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camille-lachenille · 9 months
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I was bored so I made the line of Melian (only the ones we know the fate of) with a doll maker. From left to right and top to bottom:
Melian the Maia
Lúthien Tinúviel
Dior Eluchil
Elwing
Elros Tar-Minyatur
Elrond Peredhel
Arwen Undómiel
Eldarion of Gondor
Melian has flowers growing in her hair and Lúthien niphredil on her dress because weird Maiar magic. Dior and Elwing are both wearing the Nauglamir with the Silmaril, Elros wears the Elessar on his collar and Elrond has Vilya on his finger. Arwen’s gown is inspired by the description of her clothes in FotR and she wears the Evenstar, and Eldarion has Andruil, the Elessar and the ring of Barahir. Also, I cheated and used the same crown for the kings of Númenor and Gondor even if, canonically, the kings of Númenor wore only a circlet with a bright gem. I just wanted more heirlooms.
The clothes are loosely based on the books descriptions and the rest is happily made up by me.
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eleneressea · 10 months
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On the Fates of the Half-Elven
some thinks that I have thought. cut for length
So, there are various elf-human hybrids in the Legendarium: Dior, Eluréd, Elurín, Elwing, Eärendil, Elrond, Elros, Arwen, Elladan, Elrohir, and Elros's line. There is also, potentially, Galador and his line, the Princes of Dol Amroth. (For those who are wondering, Galador is supposedly the son of the elf Mithrellas and the Númenórean Imrazôr.)
Now, some of these part-elves were offered a Choice between being mortal and being immortal, but that Choice was specifically offered to a) Lúthien, for making Námo cry, and b) Elwing, Eärendil, and their sons Elrond and Elros, for the bringing-a-Silmaril-to-Valinor incident. This does not seem to be the general situation with other half-elves; presumably Dior, Eluréd, Elurín, and Galador were not offered this choice, especially since in both instances that the Choice was offered the Valar were directly involved. (But Arwen— I am going to get there, hang tight.)
Now, Lúthien chooses to be mortal, and marries Beren and has Dior. Similarly, Elros chooses to be mortal, and marries his unnamed wife and has four children. All of Elros's children and line are mortal—long lived, yes, but mortal; presumably, therefore, Lúthien's children and line should also be long-lived mortals. Dior dies, Eluréd and Elurín exit the narrative, and Elwing turns into a bird and flies away before this can be fully tested for them; however, Dior is ruling by the time he dies at 36, and Elwing is 35 when Sirion is attacked, by which point she's already married and has had children. This is a reasonable timeline for humans, but not so much for elves.
Now, this is not fully generalizable: Lúthien was an exception and chose mortality before having kids, as did Elros. Would an immortal elf have half-elven children who are mortal, or immortal? If Aegnor had a child with Andreth, who would it take after?
Eärendil is the same age as Elwing, and has children with her before sailing out to find Valinor, so presumably he is also aging at a human's pace, and we are not meant to read him as an elfling during all of this. Crucially, he is the son of Idril (did not make Námo cry) and Tuor (100% human), lending weight to the supposition that an elf/human pairing that does not involve anyone making Námo cry would result in (long lived) human children. (Additionally, if you believe that Galador is a half-elf, he and his line are also mortal.)
This also indicates that Elros and Elrond were human and aging at human paces when they were offered their Choices, somewhere between the ages of 13 (when the Host of Valinor lands in Beleriand) and 58 (when Morgoth gets yeeted into the Void) as it's not clear when exactly they made their Choices.
Now, what about a half-elf that chooses immortality before reproducing? Hi, Elrond. Elrond married Celebrían, an elf, and had three children. All of them are aging at elf-rates, indicating that they are elves, and we might expect that they, like Elros's line, don't get to Choose…except that Arwen does choose mortality. There's a few explanations possible, as this is the only such case known:
Elrond's children get to choose; presumably if one of them chose elf-hood and married an elf, their children would also get to choose. (As we've established, mortality is hereditary absent the Valar's interference.)
Elrond's children are elves who do not get to choose and Arwen is an exception for whatever reason. Loving/marrying a mortal does not seem to be sufficient (as Idril does not become mortal on marrying Tuor), but theoretically some other cause might be proposed.
Elrond's children are elves who do not get to choose and Arwen doesn't actually die in the traditional sense, and does not go Beyond like mortals do, but does something resembling death (less Lúthien and more Míriel) that is understood by Gondor to be her dying.
Oh, also Tolkien wrote at one point:
Now all those who have the blood of mortal Men, in whatever part, great or small, are mortal, unless other doom be granted to them;
But that was in an earlier draft and may have been at least partially discarded, since Elrond's children aren't default-mortal despite having the blood of mortal Men.
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tolkien-feels · 2 years
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I know the Stewards of Gondor just sort of randomly recycle names but it's so weird. Dior son of Barahir. Turgon son of Turin. Denethor son of Ecthelion. It's like Silmarillion Drunk History
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Thingol wasn't that bad:
1. Banning a language because the speakers murdered a bunch of your brother's - originally your own - people wasn't an overreaction??? He had to do SOMETHING - a lot of this people were probably realated to the Teleri + the Noldor lied to him + Melian called the sons of Feanor 'Fell and fey' even before the second kinslaying - letting them into Doriath wasn't a great idea when they'd already proven themselves capable of outright killing Teleri (ethnically similar to the Sindar) and abandoning their own fellow Noldor to a journey that killed half of them
2. The Sindar really weren't in any kind of shape to be fighting any wars??? The First Battle killed A LOT of them - remember, Thingol's people only won one front. Cirdan was still being besieged. Melain put up the girdle because they RETREATED to Menegroth. Clearly they weren't in any place to be waging war.
3. The Eldar didn't come to Beleriand to help them?? Thingol had to live with the fact that his people were dying because they made the choice to wait for him: are those really the kind of people whose lives you'd be willing to risk for some jewels and an overblown desire for revenge for the death of ONE man. His brother Elmo was dead; his children nephews and grandnephews too. The Sindar were used to death.
The Noldor weren't there to help the Sindar or Avari. Why should Thingol risk his people for their sake?
4. He wasn't indiscriminately against all Noldor - he was willing to forgive the Nolofinwians for their (unwitting) part in the kinslayings and only asked Finrod and Galadriel to leave TEMPORARYLY. He was okay with Galadriel learning from his wife and even marrying his grandnephew.
5. The Noldor came to Beleriand partly looking for lands to rule. Could you really blame Thingol for not letting them into his kingdom? For not trusting that KINSLAYERS wouldn't unnecessarily sacrifice his people or make them bear the brunt of the fighting to make them easier pickings later?
Can you really blame him for refusing to join the Union of a guy whose brothers kidnapped and tried killing his daughter? Who killed the Teleri for BOATS? Who were willing to let their own people died out of pride and jealousy?
And given how widely known doom of Mandos was, Thingol would have know that any attempt by the Noldor to fight Melkor would end in Doom regardless of their intentions. As such, staying as far away from them as possible made sense.
6. The Luthien thing was bad. Nothing can make up for that.
But I think the fact that he did it out of love and to stop his daughter from making a what he saw as a huge mistake doesn't make him a bad man? He knew men weren't immortal and didn't want his only child to fade away when Beren died.
And the fact that he made Dior his heir, took in human refugees and fostered Turin showed that he learnt from his mistakes and was willing to change.
Also, Elrond set a crazy high bride-price for Arwen too - Aragorn had to become king of Gondor (which, let's remember, he wasn't really heir to and which had turned down his ancestor's far better claim) AND basically raise Arnor from scratch. Turgon let Idril marry Tuor only because he was blessed by freaking Ulmo AND Turgon owed his father and uncle big time (sacrificing themselves and their people to buy Turgon and his people time to escape).
7. The concept of wereglid was established in Tolkien's work. Luthien had every right to the Silmaril SHE recovered. And not just because she recovered it, but because Celegorm and Curufin kidnapped her to try forcing her into marriage???
It's clear that marriage is pretty holy for elves and NOT something they do for political gain. It's not the same thing as a human being forced into a politically motivated marriage, and as such, is a pretty massive crime she was entitled recompense for.
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ebaeschnbliah · 2 years
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Then all listened while Elrond in his clear voice spoke of Sauron and the Rings of Power ...
... and their forging in the Second Age of the world long ago. A part of his tale was known to some there, but the full tale to none, and many eyes were turned to Elrond in fear and wonder as he told of the Elven-smiths of Eregion and their friendship with Moria, and their eagerness for knowledge, by which Sauron ensnared them. 
For in that time he was not yet evil to behold, and they received his aid and grew mighty in craft, whereas he learned all their secrets, and betrayed them, and forged secretly in the Mountain of Fire the One Ring to be their master. But Celebrimbor was aware of him, and hid the Three which he had made; and there was war, and the land was laid waste, and the gate of Moria was shut.
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Then through all the years that followed he traced the Ring; but since that history is elsewhere recounted, even as Elrond himself set it down in his books of lore, it is not here recalled. For it is a long tale, full of deeds great and terrible, and briefly though Elrond spoke, the sun rode up the sky, and the morning was passing ere he ceased.
Of Númenor he spoke, its glory and its fall, and the return of the Kings of Men to Middle-earth out of the deeps of the Sea, borne upon the wings of storm. Then Elendil the Tall and his mighty sons, Isildur and Anárion, became great lords; and the North-realm they made in Arnor, and the South-realm in Gondor above the mouths of Anduin. But Sauron of Mordor assailed them, and they made the Last Alliance of Elves and Men, and the hosts of Gil-galad and Elendil were mustered in Arnor.
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Thereupon Elrond paused a while and sighed. `I remember well the splendour of their banners,' he said. `It recalled to me the glory of the Elder Days and the hosts of Beleriand, so many great princes and captains were assembled. And yet not so many, nor so fair, as when Thangorodrim was broken, and the Elves deemed that evil was ended for ever, and it was not so.'
`You remember?' said Frodo, speaking his thought aloud in his astonishment. `But I thought,' he stammered as Elrond turned towards him, 'I thought that the fall of Gil-galad was a long age ago.'
'So it was indeed,' answered Elrond gravely. `But my memory reaches back even to the Elder Days. Eärendil was my sire, who was born in Gondolin before its fall; and my mother was Elwing, daughter of Dior, son of Lúthien of Doriath. I have seen three ages in the West of the world, and many defeats, and many fruitless victories.
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JRR Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring, The Council of Elrond
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anghraine · 11 months
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It's time to ask the most pressing LOTR question of them all:
Faramir is excluded to give other Stewards a chance because he was only briefly Ruling Steward.
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*Best means what it means to you!
**Movie Denethor does not count for the purposes of this poll.
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lotr-fashion · 1 year
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Gondor fashion
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Silm ask: 🐉
🐉 A lot of figures in the Silm have weird Eldritch powers or possibly biology. Tell us about your headcanons for one.
Thanks for the ask!
I'll take the occasion to plug my Gil-galad origin fic, in which Gil has weird biology and powers. I won't spoil how.
Besides that, I think Melian's descendants all had some weirdness in them to various degrees (pretty obvious in Luthien's case) and it could be activated if they worked on it or if they were in the proximity of an Ainu power.
It definitely helped Ulmo turn Elwing into a bird successfully. Dior had the potential too, but my headcanon is that he favored his Mannish side and never cultivated it. It can explain what happened to Elured and Elurin. When they were left in the wilderness, they came across some pools of magic that still persisted in Doriath even after Melian's departure. That magic combined with their dormant powers turned them into birds. But the magic dispersed and they were never able to turn back. This reminds me to rec @aipilosse's The Yawning Grave - a brilliant, dark fairy tale that plays with these themes.
I like to think that Elrond and Elros and their children also had some non-elven magic in them. It diminished, of course, farther down the line, especially after magic left Middle-earth, but even ages later, there are some people in Gondor that trace their origin back to Arwen and Aragorn and feel like that sometimes they can understand the language of the birds or stand on the edge of the precipice and think that they can grow wings and fly.
ask game here
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@inchwormy replied to your post “@inchwormy replied to your post “that oprah bees gif except it’s flying spiders and she’s shouting Glath!” Frank is getting too...”
I didn’t see that text. but I would love to know more about glath man
Glath (the Gloth) was a powerful warrior who served the evil magician Heth. After Heth's death, Glath fought his way to the tower in which Heth had sealed off the secret of his art, and was killed there.
The three princes of Gondor had sought help from Heth against the wicked Ruling Steward Faramir, and Heth had raised the three princes above the tower. One of them, Dior, later became Heth's servant, and when Heth was killed in Minas Tirith, Dior swore vengeance upon Faramir.
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ao3feed-tolkien · 1 year
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Белерианд: новая хронология
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Characters: Original Male Character, Elu Thingol | Elwë Singollo, Dior Eluchíl, Eärendil the Mariner (Tolkien), Elwing (Tolkien), Elrond and Elros are mentioned, Sons of Fëanor, Dwarves (Tolkien)
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arofili · 3 years
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the line of elros ❖ stewards of gondor ❖ headcanon disclaimer
          Hador was the youngest child and only son of Túrin I by his second wife, Meldis. He witnessed his father’s poor treatment of his first family, Andreth of Belfalas and her daughters, and resolved to be a kinder husband and kinsman. After Túrin’s death, Hador reconciled with his estranged sisters and invited them to return to Minas Tirith. The youngest and worst-treated, Níniel, did not come, but her elder sisters Lalaith and Nellas were glad to be welcomed back to the city of their birth and the family they had left behind.           Lalaith was older than Hador’s own mother, and soon became a mentor to Meldis in needlework and philosophy. Nellas was likewise many years Hador’s elder, but the two became fast friends, and she often advised him in political decisions.           Due to Túrin’s age at the time of his birth, Hador inherited young, before his marriage. Like his father, Hador wed the love of his youth, but he was determined to remain a loving husband to his wife. Thus, when that wife confessed to him shortly after the birth of their first and only child that he was a man at heart, Hador fully supported his transition from wife to husband despite the scandal it caused in court. This husband, who named himself Maerion, lived joyfully at Hador’s side, though due to the hostile nature of Gondorian politics he often went on long journeys, mastering the bow and entering athletic competitions in the various fiefs throughout the land.           Hador ruled in a time of peace, and became known not for any great deeds but rather his alteration of the Stewards’ Reckoning first established by his ancestor Mardil Voronwë. On the three hundredth anniversary of the calendar’s implementation, he added an extra day to the year to reduce the millennial deficit and ensure that timekeeping was kept in synchronization with the seasons. He lived to an admirable age of 150 years, but was the last man of Gondor to have such a lifespan; after him, the lifespan of those with Númenórean blood began to wane.           The son of Hador and Maerion was Barahir, named as his father was for a mighty lord of the Edain. As his father’s reign was long and mostly uneventful, Barahir gave little thought to running a nation and focused instead on hunting in the White Mountains. He was frequently absent from home, leading to quarrels between him and his wife Taweneth. Though Taweneth did not leave Minas Tirith, after one such argument she did depart to a different part of the city, taking her daughter Rían with her, though Barahir insisted he keep his son Dior with him in the Stewards’ house.           Barahir grew old sooner than his ancestors, and upon his death at age 122 it began to be speculated that a harsh temperament decreased the lifespan of a Dúnadan. Fearing his own decline, his son Dior decided to spend his rule as Steward doing good deeds. Dior oversaw the renovation of Minas Tirith’s lower districts, providing food and shelter for the poor, and ensured that Gondor’s outer settlements received as much support as the capital did. Alas, this did not prevent him from succumbing to old age at 107, though he was remembered kindly by his people for his efforts. Still, he lived longer than his namesake, whose elven blood did not prevent him from an early death at age 36.           Dior never married, for his desires were turned toward men and the attitude of Gondor was against such unions at the time, especially after his grandfathers Hador and Maerion flouted custom with their “unconventional” marriage. He took various lovers throughout his life, but kept his affections secret to all but his sister Rían, whose son Denethor was named Dior’s heir.           Rían came of age free of her father’s shadow. She became an herbalist in the Houses of Healing and was known for her curiosity about the wider world. Once, on a visit to Ithilien, Rían made the acquaintance of an elf who had once been of the Laegrim, those led by King Denethor who died on Amon Ereb. Rían greatly admired her new friend and was eager to hear the tales of the Laegrim, returning to Minas Tirith to ensure the story was recorded correctly. She even named her son Denethor in the Avarin king’s honor.           The husband of Rían was Bellmund, a farmer who dwelt on the outskirts of the Pelennor Fields who once came to the Houses of Healing for treatment of a deep cut received while reaping his crops. They fell in love and were soon wed; though her mother Taweneth was sad to see her daughter leave, she allowed Rían to move to her husband’s farm, in part to spite Barahir’s disapproval of the union.           When Barahir died and Dior became Steward, Rían frequently took to visiting her brother in the city, accompanied by her son Denethor. When it became apparent that Dior would not marry, she convinced him to name Denethor his heir, and moved her family from Bellmund’s farm to the Steward’s House.
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