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volo-omnia · 11 months

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Y'know something I really love that makes a comeback in PLA but it never gets explained ever? The Arceus sigil from the Heartgold/Soulsilver Arceus event.

Y'know, this thing.

Now I know we do get an indirect explanation from the HG/SS event, although it does make me wonder about it's meanings and connections:

To start off, the in game meaning of the sigil is pretty cut and dry. Or at least....part of it.

Triangles are pretty common throughout gen 4, with the obvious connection being the creation trio.

As explained by Cynthia in the event, the bottom left circle corresponds to Dialga, bottom right with Palkia, and the one on top being Giratina. (And of course, the larger circle in the center with the sun-like design being corresponded to Arceus.) Their designs and placements in their hierarchy is pretty directly shown here, which is pretty nice.

However we also see a similar triangle in the Celestic ruins in the modern day, with their correspondences being related to the Lake Trio. Their placements of course being related to their respective lakes they reside in Sinnoh.

Now while these separate sigils don't explain the greater whole, they do explain parts of it. Since both the creation and lake trios are represented by upright triangles, we can clearly see 2 upright triangles in Arceus' overall creation sigil.

However that does leave the much larger image unexplained for the most part. There have been theories that each circle in the larger image corresponds to another legendary pokemon in the greater pokemon universe, but it's hard to fully place where each legendary goes where.

Now what I wanna do instead is speculate the design of the Arceus sigil from an esoteric perspective.

Most sigils have different meanings and designs based on the person making them, but I just wanna have some fun breaking down the design in itself. Disclaimer, I don't expect Gamefreak to know this stuff when designing their game, so most of this will be speculation.

Now with both creation and lake trios being represented by triangles, I find it interesting that they're both layered upright as opposed to one upright and one pointed downward. From an esoteric perspective, the way the triangle points reflects different meanings. If you have a triangle pointed upward, it would direct energy upwards to the heavens, as opposed to pointed downward, where the intended energy is directed down to earth/below.

However assuming the shape of the triangle was irrelevant, the usage of the number 3 could also be a point to the worldbuilding. The common theme of trios in the world of pokemon is typically symbolized by the ideas of harmony, order, and perfection, as well as regarded as a "holy number" in various cultures and religions. At least in the ideas of Agrippa, the number 3 is considered the "ideal" number of forms, with number 2 being the number of creating matter. (Although this is interesting as Giratina does get kicked out making the creation duo, Dialga and Palkia. Their loyalty to Arceus does indeed make 3 again.) Going back to the lake trio, the number 3 being represented by the three states of mind, that being wisdom, willpower, and emotion.

However, if we also take the obvious Christianity route to things, then the usage of triangles in the sigil also is quite an obvious indicator!

Since the ancient Celestics are inspired by the Greco-Romans, the usage of 3 is also quite common in mythology! I'm sure you don't need me to explain the common trinity of earth, water, and sky in Greek myths, trying back to Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades.

Now, here is where we get to the hard part. What are the other circles of the sigil? Well....I actually have no idea.

You see, an idea I've seen others try to connect this sigil back to is that of transmutation circles and alchemy circles.

And....yeah, I guess, but this is the part where I bring back that disclaimer that I don't think Gamefreak actually knows in depth what the hell I'm talking about right now.

There's a large plethora of alchemy symbols from Agrippa, The Golden Dawn, to many other occultists throughout history that are used to design these things, but....the Arceus sigil has nothing.

Typically you would have some sort of connection between each area of the circle that you wanted to channel in terms of that celestial aspect, that being a triangle/pentagram/hexagram/etc, but there are no clear chemical symbols or connections inbetween the circles. A lot of the circles are overlapped in this kinda weird way, with a lot on the surrounding edges just kinda sitting by themselves.

So be perfectly honest I'm not sure what kinda design they were going for here? Given by the cutscenes in the Arceus event of the Earth being overlaid the image of the sigil...the circles could represent a type of unity in the world and the circular nature of creation, but part of me thinks the game designers just kinda slapped a bunch of circles together to make it look cool. (And well, probably not to draw too much attention to real life occult topics in their kids game.)

At most I can say it's a type of creation circle given it's symbolized a lot with the idea of Arceus being The Creator, but it's difficult to say given it's design is quite far from what actual real life sigils would look like. All in all though, it's still quite an interesting thing that's included in it's worldbuilding.

....although now I think I get why it's never explained directly.

#pokemon legends arceus #headcanons #text #arceus #pla #now i get why volo had such a shit time researching myths this thing looks like ass #i think cryptotheism even got an ask on this thing and they said it doesnt look like anything if i recall #i wanna say arceus is this weird christian god-demiurge-zeus hybrid but theres this weird flux with no clear line #at most i can say its just original worldbuilding lol

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tertiaryunit · 9 months

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"The flame of desire is gnawing at my soul And the breath of Hell hides in his fire Is it my fault that the wicked one created by God Is so much stronger than me?"

My Walton is an atheist by the time of the first Deus Ex, but he was raised Roman Catholic. You honestly couldn't tell.

(More stuff specific to my lore below)

He's thinking about the "weird feelings" he has for his Psychic half-clone Lawrence of course. Walton is a virtuous man who despised those who let vice control their lives - and yet.

Being raised in a strict religious setting, he always repressed himself. He's in the closet and deep down hates himself more than he hates Lawrence for "turning him to sin".

(He usually starts to think about his religious education when he's at his lowest)

Ironically, he's best buddies with Bob Page, who doesn't shy away from Christian theology and mythos. After all, the CEO's personal hero is Thomas Aquinas and even the MJ12 Clearance levels are named after the angelic hierarchy...

In the quotes right below the pic, the sentence of "the wicked one created by God" has a double meaning because it's unclear if he's referring to Bob (who does see himself as one/wants to become one) or the Christian God.

#deus ex #the demiurge [walton simons]#my art #my very specific Walton Simons headcanon lads

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reallifeonthetheseventhfloor · 2 years

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Albedo: Demiurge, you don’t have to sign your name on texts!! 🙄

Demiurge:

Dear Albedo,

Your suggestion has been noted.

Sincerely, Demiurge

#overlord #incorrect quotes #albedo #demiurge #he did it at first to be polite/correct #now he does it because he thinks it’s hilarious #tentative headcanon that demiurge only thinks low-grade dad humor is funny when he does it

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horizonboundtrainer · 1 year

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The problem w/ May actually achieving her full potential is that she'd risk become one of the legendary warrior kings of old—a cult leader embodying the will of their people, reshaping the world through sheer force of will.

...Which is exactly the last thing the world needs. Thanks Maxie, for giving her an example of what not to do. Because if she wanted to, she could easily make Archie and Maxie both look like amateurs. She doesn't even need Rayquaza to accomplish most of it—all she needs is Brendan, Zinnia and a million followers fanatically devoted to her new world order.

#may is intentionally gimping herself bc she has no direction #she's a nuisance to people because she's looking for something to occupy herself with #and a self destructive idiot with no direction is dangerous #but not as dangerous as one who'd do literally anything to achieves her goals #then she becomes something terrifying #like one of those things where the hero goes down the road to hell and becomes a villain #visionaries are dangerous to everyone in their orbit #even if the salvation she offers is demiurgic 90% of hoenn will jump if she says jump #headcanons.

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aquamanandfriends · 9 months

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teecupangel · 1 year

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Just binge watched Lucifer on Netflix and now I present to you:

Desmond Miles survives 2012 (Desmond Miles Lives truthers, where ya at?), gets the hell outta dodge from the temple with new POE powers, and gets hired to work at Lux in LA. Meets his new boss and both of them are like, "!"

Lucifer instantly knows this boy is hella special because, damn does his soul reek of Isu Bullfuckery. (Headcanoned God and his Angels are sort of a rival interdimensional species to Isu, and God is the one who supposedly gave humans free will... idk I never paid attention to bible study anyway.)

Does the whole, "what do you desire?" schtick and Desmond, due to POE powers and Isu Bullshittery, wonders 'why the fuck is actual Satan here in LA?'

I imagine a platonic bromance relationship between these two. Y'know? 'Cause on the one hand we have the Reluctant Ruler of Hell and on the other hand the Reluctant Savior/Sacrificial Lamb of Humankind.

Lucifer could offer safety and protection from whoever Desmond is hiding from, while Des can be his bartender/bouncer/very much-needed BFF. And come on, I betcha good ole Lucy boy (and Maze) would absolutely enjoy dragging a couple a lot of Abstergo people Vidic down to Hell for multiple crimes against humanity(i.e. kidnapping and unethical human experimentation which results in mental instability.)

I’m all in for this idea. Desmond and Lucifer being bash brothers, yes please. Just imagine the chaos these two would get to because they're both morally dubious? XD

Also, just imagine how much faster Chloe would be finishing her cases with Desmond’s Eagle Vision? She would have two cheat codes with her this time.

Anyway, I’m going to focus on how we can integrate Lucifer into AC more in this one.

Before anything, just a sorta fun trivia: Lucifer has a little cameo in Crisis on Infinite Earths and he talks to John Constantine, implying they have some sort of history together. John Constantine is played by Matt Ryan who voiced and mocap’ed Edward Kenway XD

We will be keeping this contained to Lucifer though but you can totally add a John Constantine cameo and set it during the time Desmond is working in Lux (and you can totally add Desmond feeling some sort of longing and sorrow because John Constantine sounds and looks familiar to his Bleed of Haytham Kenway)

Alright, with that little trivia out of my system, let’s talk about how we can push Lucifer into AC canon.

(You might not have paid attention to bible study but my religion teacher was so boring he had to implement a rule that there should be no other notebook/books related to other subjects on our table during class because we kept doing other subjects when he’s lecturing us soooooo I was bored enough to read the bible he made us bring every class. I'm sure he'll be proud I'm using what I learned in his class for fic related things XD)

Let’s talk about God in Lucifer’s show. He’s obviously based on the Judeo-Christian God. Now, we have no confirmation if that said God does exist as an Isu in Assassin’s Creed BUT we do have a leeway we can use to make it easier to integrate the characters from Lucifer into Assassin’s Creed.

The Templar Order uses the phrase “May the Father of Understanding guide you”. Now, this is based on the Isu triad that pops up a bit.

The one we’re more familiar with is the Capitoline Triad where Tinia is known as the “Father of Understanding”.

However, there is an earlier iteration of this triad.

The Isus who created humans.

And the one to hold the title of ‘Father of Understanding’ during that time is Yaldabaoth.

From Wikipedia

Gnosticism presents a distinction between the highest, unknowable God, and the Demiurge, "creator" of the material universe.

Gnostic Christians considered the Hebrew God of the Old Testament as the evil, false god and creator of the material universe, and the Unknown God of the Gospel, the father of Jesus Christ and creator of the spiritual world, as the true, good God.

If we use the statements above and the fact that Yaldabaoth is considered one of the creators of mankind, we can set up God as another Isu scientist who had an alternate idea of a workforce but his idea was pushed aside and Yaldabaoth’s project with the other two Isu scientists moved forward.

God, in anger, created his ‘children’ together with the Goddess. And, to complete the triad, we’ll add Lilith as an Isu as well instead of Adam’s first wife. The three of them (although Lilith has a more advisory role to this entire thing and is actually working on her own workforce idea) created the ‘Angels’, trying to one-up all the data they could get from Yaldabaoth’s project to make them better than humans.

They are. Unfortunately, that meant they were also… shall we say… ‘freer’ than humans as well. God knew that the Isus would see them as defective and, not only that, many would find what they have done as some form of betrayal and being stripped of their rank and status would be the lightest sentence the Isu would give them. So God and Goddess kept the Angels a secret, and passed them off as human slaves while Lilith went her merry way and continued to work on her personal workforce.

And now we come to the whole ‘gave mankind freewill’.

So many like to point at Lucifer as being the serpent that gave Eve the forbidden fruit. Let’s use it. Lucifer, being one of God’s first children, takes an Apple of Eden and presented it to Eve who used it to start the Human-Isu war. Lucifer takes up arms to join the humans.

Things get super messy when they find out about the impending Solar Flare and God and Goddess decided to add their consciousness to a device called ‘Heaven’. (In this setup, Goddess!Charlotte would be like a more ‘questionable’ setup of an Isu consciousness overwriting a human’s consciousness). Their children (who did have the kind of body that would survive a solar flare and were more or less immortal) were tasked with guarding ‘Heaven’.

Except Lucifer who, as punishment for starting the whole Human-Isu war, was tasked to guard a device called ‘Hell’. He guarded it together with Lilith’s ‘children’, the demons.

What these two devices do will be a mystery but they are connected to the Gray in some way and to the Calculations. Perhaps it’s even the actual database of all the Calculations and, by that very definition, it housed all the knowledge, memories and emotions of every living thing in the world.

What defines them as a person.

What defines their soul.

And, from there, we can just integrate all Celestial things in the show as this entirely more advanced workforce’s ‘code words’. (And the devices are connected and that’s why God could boot the Goddess into hell)

By the time 2013 rolls around, Lucifer already owned Lux for a few years now and Desmond applies as a bartender as he’s had enough of all these Assassin-Templar BS to last him a lifetime. He saved the world, this is his damn retirement plan.

Lucifer sees him and goes ‘how interesting, an actual human-POE hybrid.’ while Desmond sees him and goes ‘why does he feel… familiar?’ because his Isu genes and POE-hybridness is giving him signals that Lucifer is definitely not human BUT he ain’t an Isu too.

He’s… Isu-adjacent.

Like Maze.

So Desmond continues to work there and Lucifer finds the perfect time to do the whole “what do you desire?” and Desmond’s POE-hybridness just kicked in.

We’ll make it in this fic that all the Apples are connected to one another and they have a ‘shared memory space’ so Desmond ‘remembers’ that this is the smug bastard who gave the Apple to Eve.

And, because of his limited knowledge of religion, he goes “Why the fuck is actual Satan here in LA?!”

(side note: some count Satan and Lucifer as two different beings but, in this case, we’ll just make Satan another name for Lucifer)

So now they both showed their hands. Lucifer just blatantly showed he wasn’t human and Desmond just showed he has Isu-related knowledge.

Cue an entire night of trying to get drunk while talking about what the fuck happened to them (with special mention to their daddy issues and the whole reluctant ruler of hell and the ‘more-or-less pushed into it’ savior/sacrifice)

At the end of their heart-to-heart, Desmond becomes Lucifer’s main confidant and slowly becomes his BFF. Lucifer uses his mojos to keep Desmond hidden from both Assassins and Templars.

Also… it’s not just Abstergo’s that in his shitlist. William Miles is there as well, that’s for damn sure.

Another subplot we can add is that Lucifer ‘asking’ Chloe to look into Abstergo just so he can, you know… ask them… what they desire?

Other unorganized notes:

What do we do with Juno? I set it to 2013 so Desmond dealt with Juno before peacing out to be a random bartender. Hey, if Ubisoft can do it in the comics, we can take out Juno with one paragraph… maybe even one sentence.

Desmond could see through Maze’s shapeshifting. Whenever he uses Eagle Vision, he sees Maze’s true form.

Actually, Desmond’s Eagle Vision has been powered up by his POE-hybridness that he sees EVERYONE’s true form. His only description of Lucifer’s form? “Bright as fuck.” (this also means Desmond knows Michael by 'sight')

Also, Amenadiel? He looovvveess Desmond’s Shirley Templars.

Lucifer’s deals? He has a connection to Hell and, because of that connection, he’s connected to the Calculations as well. In this case, any deal he makes impacts the Calculations slightly so the person making the deal would get what they want.

Also, this:

#desmond being bff with the devil #lucifer having an actually uncomplicated honest (platonic) relationship for once #the one who suffers is maze #a lot #assassin's creed #desmond miles #lucifer #lucifer netflix #lucifer morningstar #teecup writes/has a plot #fic idea: assassin's creed #ask and answer #i am still sad constantine didn’t get a 2nd season #liked matt ryan since criminal minds

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borzoilover69 · 10 months

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I know that you've already kinda figured out why dirkjakers like LE jake but I want to offer a more mundane reason and that is the absolute power fantasy that this man offers. I hate epilogues with a passion that could burn universes but ult dirk? My bpd ass was in shambles (that's why I'll someday make an essay on why dirk strider homestuck has bpd and/or npd), having control over people, over narrative itself, and most importantly fucking desimating your ex who called you clingy that one time while simultaneously still being obsessed with him, I've never lived vicariously through a character so much in my life. He is a horrible person but I Get him. "What would you do with this power" he asked the audience, and I solemnly nodded bc I would do the same thing (probably). And I suspect power fantasy LE jake offers is the same for some people bc don't you want to go apeshit? Don't you want to stop (not very successfully) conforming and be weird and off-putting freely? Don't YOU want to desimate YOUR ex? Both ult dirk and ult jake are what audience wants them to be and I think the audience wants them to be powerful, insane and murderous bc we ourselves cannot be like that irl. Their relationship is cathartic, their actions are cathartic, it's like religion if you relate to the god from old testament. Or I'm projecting big time which is also a possibility

Everyone take notes because this anon is speaking cold true facts and this shit is getting carved into the walls. I agree with the Dirk Strider has BPD headcanon, I offer up to you the Jake has BPD too headcanon in return.

I like the idea of Jake going batshit insane. I think a lot of people do, after all if the ancestors were anything to go off of, Jake and Dirk are pretty nuts.

Also fun sort of related fact, really fond of Ultimate Jake, it's because it plays into the mythos of their Demiurges / Denizens and how important that is to their stories. (I'm getting autistic here). Yaldaboath (Dirks Denizen, Destroyer of Peace) is considered a false god, harbinger of chaos, and uses the light he inherits from his mother, Sophia (personification of light and wisdom) to try to rise above others, even if he is blind and is not as aware of the aeons as his mother is.

Jesus destroyed Yaldaboaths kingdom and thus, Yaldaboath had him crucified, made a martyr. But before his martyrdom could set in, Jesus ascended and returned to the world. In Gnosticism, they viewed Yaldaboath as evil, and that Jesus had to overcome him "by destroying the Jewish Temple with an Earthquake lifting the veil or Yaldabaoth’s curtain of illusion, by Jesus’ resurrection and rapture. "

Now, who do we have quite literally representing Jesus Christ himself? Okay, you're going to say Karkat, but do you know who *specifically* represents the place where Christ himself died and was made a martyr and the rapt- OK ITS JAKE ENGLISH OKAY ITS JAKE ENGLISH. And the sufferer BUT THATS NOT IMPORTANT.

There's quite a few parallels with Yaldaboath being one that wanted to be recognised as a god and in his jealous fury condemned a mortal god and Dirk Strider. There's quite a few parallels between Jesus Christ, Karkat, and Jake English, his rapture and ascension. There's an INSANE amount of parallels between Yaldaboath's mother, Sophia, and Rose Lalonde. Even down to Rose going grimdark, which Sophia DOES, after she loses her light, which is something i'll go on about in another ramble. Thematically, if we're following gnosticism, Jesus Christ, aka Jake English, is the one able to recognise and overcome Yaldaboaths illusion, aka Dirk Strider. It just makes SENSE.

#borzoi talks #borzoi meta #rose lalonde #dirk strider #jake english #ultimate dirk #ultimate jake #le jake #homestuck #homestuck meta #hom3stuck #karkat vantas

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lovesick-level-up · 11 months

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@starburstedits June Pride Week (Day 1)

Monday — Lesbian/Gay Headcanons

these characters are:

[gay] fuuta kajiyama (milgram), bakugo katsuki (mha), akito shinonome (pjsk) + demiurge (overlord)

[lesbian] yelan (genshin), ena shinonome (pjsk), franziska von karma (aa) + momo yaoyorozu (mha)

feel free to use with credit if you are not on our dni, but don't claim as your own! like/reblog if you save or enjoy!

#starry lgbtqia+ pride week #pride #lgbtqia #lesbian #gay #icons #icon edit #pride icons #fuuta kajiyama #katsuki bakugou #akito shinonome #demiurge overlord #yelan genshin #ena shinonome #franziska von karma #momo yaoyorozu #pride month #[our edits]#[dottore 🌙🧪⚖️]

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scarlet--wiccan · 7 days

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Headcanons about the Elder Gods?

I don't have headcanons, so much as... text-based interpretations. One of the biggest problems with the Elder Gods is the lack of clear, concrete worldbuilding. That's a pervasive issue with magic in general, but due to the nature of the stories they're typically featured in, the Elder Gods are often described with very mythical, grandiose language, and this creates a certain degree of... ambiguity. Just look at Immortal Thor-- Ewing is doing really cool stuff with the Elder Gods, but he's also making it seem like they're the center of the universe, because to Thor and Loki, they kind of are.

But that doesn't fit in properly with the larger Marvel cosmology, so to get a better understanding of this, I think we need a character like Stephen or Wanda-- someone who has direct ties to Elder Gods but isn't a mythical being themselves-- to pull back the curtain and just give us the facts.

So here's an outline of how I would refresh the worldbuilding in this special little corner of the Marvel cosmology. This is 95% based on facts as they are written, and the rest is logical extrapolation.

The Elder Gods and the Demiurge are part of a natural evolutionary cycle that all life-sustaining worlds must go through. It is how magic and divinity evolve alongside life.

When the right conditions are met for organic life to begin, the planet's collective life force emerges as a sentient entity called the Demiurge, which is the highest natural power in its own world.

The Demiurge begets the first etheric beings, which are avatars of the primordial elements of magic and nature. These beings, the Elder Gods, then beget the lesser pantheons; create mystical realms and dimensions; devise early forms of sorcery and magic; and so on and so forth, with varying degrees of participation from the Demiurge itself.

The Elder Gods of Earth were the architects of Earth's Inner Planes-- magical dimensions that share the planet's physical space. These include mythical locations, god realms, hell dimensions, and many other magical locations tied to Earth's folklore and mythology-- including the Flickering Realm and Serpent Sea, where Chthon and Set are imprisoned.

The Elder Gods are born from their native planet, so while they may be the oldest or most powerful beings on their specific world, they should not be confused with cosmic or abstract entities. That doesn't make them less powerful or important, they just occupy a different area of the Marvel universe and feature in different stories.

Some of the forces which the Elder Gods embody may be universal constants, but the Elder Gods represent those forces within their planet's natural ecosytem. As noted in this post, chaos magic is a natural force, and Chthon is an important symbolic representation of chaos magic in Earth's ecosystem-- by taking him off the board, Wanda has upset that balance.

Similarly, as far as we know, the Demiurge which represents Earth's life force is not a universal power-- each world, presumably, has its own Demiurge.

This one's a bit more of a headcanon--

Billy was never intended to be the same entity as Earth's Demiurge, but the way that Gillen, Oliveira, et al, represent his Demiurge powers also conflicts with the established lore. If I were to fix this, I would say that when Wanda used the Life Force to resurrect her sons, Billy-- and possibly Tommy-- inherited a natural affinity for the Demiurge's power, the same way Wanda has a natural affinity for chaos magic.

That affinity, could, in theory, be used to transform and redefine the laws of magic on Earth and in all of Earth's Inner Planes. This would validate Immortus's concerns about their timeline-altering potential in a way that is functionally similar to Wanda's Nexus powers; it would also explain why people like Loki and Agatha are so eager to take advantage of Billy's power-- but it doesn't have to mean that Billy is some nascent creator god. I'm more interested in finding specific, interesting ways to give these characters their expansive powers while still allowing them to stay grounded.

America's Utopian Parallel backstory is currently defunct. If we're going to discard it entirely, then it should be easy to reframe Billy's Demiurge powers as a part of Earth's Demiurge/Elder God cycle. We can still keep the idea that Billy is a future world creator-- but remember, Gillen describes this as a singular moment in his future, not as Billy ascending to godhood. Make it so that, at specific moments in certain timelines, Billy's Demiurge power gives him the opportunity to birth a new world, and the Parallel is from one of these divergent timelines. Functionally, it then becomes like Wanda's Nexus status-- a cosmic significance that connects Billy to many versions of himself accross the multiverse. This would support his ability to gaze into alternate timelines, which we've seen in Young Avengers and Death's Head.

#elder gods #worldbuilding #demiurge

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phoenixrisesoncemore · 2 years

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Why Do We Know Sauron's Original Name in Quenya if Sauron Was Never In Valinor: Speculations on my Favorite Baddie, Part 3

Finishing up that meta I've been working on for, like, 7 years (RIP me) about Sauron and his original name and the mindf#@& that gave me. Planning to post that on Sun [now posted and can be found here]. But this bit is just too long to fit in it.

In Helge Fauskanger's "A Name for the Dark Lord" (where I first read about "Mairon" in 2015) he points out that Sauron's original name existing in Quenya is pretty odd. The version of Sauron Tolkien was writing about at that time had defected to Melkor's service before the language "Quenya" even existed, so why would his original name be recorded in it?

Now, there's the (I think, likely) Primary World reason for that: Tolkien is writing this down as a part of his work on the "words and phrases" lists he began compiling after the publication of The Lord of the Rings. These words and phrases are primarily about ironing out the linguistic features of words and names that appear in that story. Valarin—the language Sauron's original name was most likely only ever known in while he was still associated with it by anyone but himself—is a language Tolkien did relatively little work on, and it does not appear in The Lord of the Rings. "Sauron," however, does (well… I'll talk about that more in the main post), and the name "Sauron" is Quenya. Considering the kind of character work that flowed naturally from names in Tolkien's work on the Legendarium, it makes sense that it would be important to Tolkien to have an understanding of what this character's original name was, even when translated into another language it might never have been translated into within the confines of the Secondary World.

But Tolkien—through his devilish little framing device in which all this information is, in fact, information not flowing directly from his imagination but is, instead, merely being reported by him, the translator of some ancient documents—has given us a kind of carte blanche to challenge his "translation," amend and append to it, no matter what The Estate might think of that. Maybe I have access to those ancient documents, too ;-).

So in the interest of promoting the "Infinite Variety of Being" that I think Ea's metaphysics desires (if not requires), I'm going to throw a headcanon out there.

There's a related puzzle regarding the name "Mairon," and that's where I'll start: the name "Mairon" and the word "Maiar" are very similar. I'm going to go into more detail on that in the full post but for now just consider this: just prior to Tolkien coining the word "maiar" and the name "Mairon" the "lesser kin of the Valar" are called the "Vanimor" and the "Valariindi." The Valarindi are understood to be the actual children of the Valar (Eonwe and Ilmare were two of these) and the Vanimor are what we would come to know as the Maiar: lesser Ainur who (mostly) attached themselves to greater Ainur once they enter Ea and start their demiurgic work. Sometime in the late 1950’s (at the same time Tolkien is writing down the name "Mairon"), he decides that 1. the Valar do not have children, meaning that all Valarindi are now Vanimor and 2. the name for the Vanimor is now "Maiar." Christopher explains this change in Morgoth's Ring:

“AV 2 had here (V.110) 'these are the Vanimor, the Beautiful', changed in the later rewriting (see note 3) to 'these are the Mairi…', and then to 'these are the Maiar…' This was probably where the word Maiar first arose.” --HoMe X: Morgoth’s Ring, Part Two: “The Annals of Aman.”

So, around the time Tolkien decides Sauron's original name was "Mairon" he also decides to rename the lesser kin of the Valar to… basically the same thing as Sauron's original name. And that's… interesting. And it got me thinking about both of these puzzle pieces and how they might fit together.

In his essay Fuskanger speculates that Sauron's original name in Valarin was translated into Quenya after the Elves arrived there.

"According to Tolkien’s late ideas, as reflected in the essay Quendi and Eldar [...] [i]t is said that the Valar encouraged the Elves, not to borrow words from Valarin, but rather to “translate the meanings of names into fair Eldarin [= Elvish] forms” (WJ:405). So when Mairon is said to be Sauron’s “original” name, maybe we must take this to mean that he had some unstated Valarin name that meant The Admirable, and that this was later translated into Quenya as Mairon when the Elves learnt about this person from the Valar (at which time he was not so admirable anymore)." --"A Name for the Dark Lord"

Here's my headcanon addition.

The being who was called the Valarin equivalent of The Admirable was excellent at what he did. Top of his class material. Admired (and sometimes envied) by all the other lesser spirits who were to serve The Powers in their demiurgic activities. Unlike those Valaraukar that would come to be known as Balrogs, the being who would come to be known as Sauron had repudiated Melkor in the Timeless Halls, winning him even more admiration from among The Powers, those who would be the great movers and shakers in Ea.

In Ea his work was perfect… or as close to perfect as you can get in Arda Marred—which was not nearly close enough, at least for him. And that was the crack that Melkor exploited.

Not because Melkor knew he needed the kind of devotion and help that came from having The Admirable in his service. No, he was too arrogant for that. But because what a prize it would be for Melkor to turn not just any of these lesser Ainur to his service, to make them serve and worship him, but to turn the best and the brightest. What an insult that would be to Aule, who he especially hated. What a valuable asset it would be to gain one of the chief architects of the Two Lamps who worked immediately under Aule during their construction. Who would know better how to topple them? Who would make a better spy?

Melkor was cunning. And still at this time patient. And he was observant, far more observant than most when it came to spotting the seeds of dissatisfaction with The World that were sown in other creatures as time passed. He would teach The Admirable one day—when The Admirable was far less admirable—how to spot them, too. But for now he watched and learned what he could to use in his mission to corrupt the best servant his enemies had.

And what did he see? He saw that there was always this friction, this entropy, this failure, and he saw that it didn't occur to The Admirable yet that some of that was not because Arda was Marred, but because Arda was populated with other beings who had different ideas about what perfection meant.

He saw the realization of the crush of time creeping into The Admirable’s eyes, gold like the metal from stars that he sowed in the veins of the rocks to stitch them back together. Time: the thing that none of them knew, not really, before they made the irrevocable choice to enter into that Story they had given shape to. He saw the crushing weight of the length of prehistory do its work.

He saw the mounting frustration with the broken bits of the world they couldn’t save from Melkor or his retinue. He saw the sense of powerlessness—after all, even Aule and Varda and Manwe couldn’t undo the damage Melkor had done. The pottery was broken. You can Kintsugi it back together, but it’s never the same. You have to learn to love the gold as a part of the work even more than you loved the work before.

And so Melkor made his move. If The World, itself, bends to his will, bends to the flaw in its design that Melkor had introduced into it, then any attempts to guide The World without his blessing was folly. The only way forward, he tells The Admirable—was to give in and accept it.

But The Admirable was hard to sway. He was proud and stubborn. And Melkor knew this, too. So he watched especially hard as he “abandoned” his quest to sway The Admirable, and went after Osse instead. He watched especially hard when Ulmo asked Aule for help coaxing Osse back. He watched as The Admirable’s questions to Aule, about the good and the bad and the marred and the healed, never earned the same attention. He watched as the doubt grew and he watched as The Admirable ran from it.

He watched as it became Despair.

And that’s when he got what he wanted. And that’s why, eons of time later, The No-Longer-Admirable will know how to bring Denethor down.

When The Lamps and The Admirable are gone and The World lays in ruin once again, the Powers (like angles in the Last Days piecing together the bodies of the faithful) gather the molecules of the land that do not contain the corruption of Melkor—so much stronger than they believed—and use them to build a new home, The Undying Lands, where even entropy can not enter. They assess what they have lost and what it means. And when they go to find the awakened Elves and learn their frightened tales of the Entity that comes to torment them and steal their kind away, and the other Entity, the one that helps him do it, the one who devises their torment, they realize what The Admirable has become.

They strike his name from the rolls. He is Admirable no longer. But that name, the name for the person he was, they give it away again, they give it to all the spirits of his order, to those faithful spirits who served them well. When it is that The No-Longer-Admirable finds this out, I can’t say, but I sometimes imagine that revelation comes much later, when he presents himself to Eonwe, who finds some small delight in telling him the name he has continued to call himself for all these ages is no longer his, that it now belongs to all of them who continue to do what he would not.

Long before this, when the Eldar arrive in Valinor they learn the name for these lesser spirits, so much closer in stature and knowledge to themselves than the Powers are. And when they ask where it came from there is a hush and then a very sad story, a precautionary tale, shared among these spirits and the Powers they serve. “Maiar” is how they translate the name for these spirits for they are Admirable, Excellent, Precious, Sublime. And “Mairon” is how they translate the name of the one who is now nameless, the name he had before he lost his right to it.

Later, when Melkor swans his way through Valinor in the Years of the Trees, a “humble penitent” newly released from his ages of captivity, whispering his little lies in the Noldor’s ears, the rest of the Eldar turn to each other in warning: “Heed him not. Remember what happened to Mairon.”

#tolkien #silmarillion #lord of the rings #sauron #mairon #rings of power #tolkien metaphysics #linguistics #Eldarin cautionary tales #speculations on my favorite baddie

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Do you have any Headcanons about Shigeru at all that wouldn’t spoil TRN?

Hmmmmmmm…..

I have thought long and hard about this, and now I will share!

One of Shigeru’s special interests is folklore and religion, specifically about the history of, what else, depictions of the Demiurge. One day he wants to have four pigeons so he can complete the set of naming them after his archangels.

He really dislikes Morgana for obvious reasons, but can’t show it for obvious reasons, so he just mentally seethes and refuses to acknowledge his presence.

That’s all I’ve got right now. But! I am almost ready to post Shigeru’s reference sheet! So stay tuned for that! (I’m also almost halfway done with the next chapter so bear with me here.)

#story tag: the rotting nostalgia #oc tag: Shigeru Ochida — Yaldabaoth #bananabread108

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2, 12, 23 for the Fandom asks

2 Headcanon you didn't like but like now

Hmmmmmmmmmm Oh! I didn't like the idea of Maruki's Persona not being a real Persona but actually some sort of weird eldritch parasite thing because I felt it gave him a pass for being shit at his fucking job and his flaws as a character, but it has since grown on me, especially since Tactica came out and showed that sometimes demiurges just like to fucking. Bully middle aged men, I guess and, I've seen it done in ways that don't give Maruki a pass for, you know. Being the Worst Therapist Ever (said affectionately)

12 - compliment someone in your fandom

@sirenspells has cool art and seeing it makes me want to draw more

23 - fandom you're curious about from a mutual

It seems like I'd like Gundam Witch From Mercury I just. I'm so bad at watching things

#well he's probably not the worst therapist ever considering the evil therapist stereotypes #but fundamentally SHOULD NOT BE A THERAPIST #alto replies #ask games

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sasiasaan · 10 months

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i have headcanon: i think demiurge like fat girls and since im a little albedo|demiurge enjoyer i decided to draw this....

#overlord #anime #art #demiurge #demiurge overlord #sketch #albedo #albedo overlord #drink water and wash your hands

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thekitsunesiren · 2 years

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Looking for Rp Partners

About Me:

Descriptive Roleplayer. My minimum is five computer lines and I can write up to two paragraphs when really interested invested to an rp. (My Writing Samples)

I rp 1x1, and not groups. I've tried it several times, and it became hard to follow so I really don't do them.

I am Eastern Daylight Time, but different time zones are completely fine with me. The more partners the better! :)

I am looking for long term roleplay partners that I can be able to talk, plot and rp with.

I love to plan out roleplays and make tons of headcanons and such as we go!

I roleplay in third person. First and second just feels weird to me.

I rp oc x oc (original only) and oc x canon. Canon x canon really doesn't keep my interest for long so I avoid it when I can.

We can double up or do one on one. If we do the latter, I have a preference of playing my oc or being the female lead.

For all fandoms I am apart of, I have an descriptive oc at the ready for whenever I rp. The same if we roleplayed an original storyline/setting.

Some fandoms have their own storylines and plots to go with them as well!

For some roleplays, I know some people like to take the romantic route, but I'm open to any. You can do romantic, platonic, or even familial routes with any character when we roleplay.

I do rp 18+ content, but only if my partner is of age.

I do not want just a smut based roleplay. I want action, interaction, drama! Smut is fine as long as it's the minority of the roleplay.

Fandom-wise, I'm also a big fan of crossover roleplays as well. But that can be up for you to decide.

I'm always open to listening to my partner and their boundaries. So if there's something about an rp that makes you uncomfortable, we can work a ways around it to solve the problem.

I have the preference of building up to a scene instead of just jumping into it. Whether it be casual or sexual.

I don't like love triangles, but i'm open to polyamorous relationships in rps. I can play up to three partners.

Preferred Genres:

Romance

Action/Adventure

Slice of Life

Drama

Comedy

Friendship/Platonic

Big NOS:

I do not enjoy being ghosted. If you don't want to continue roleplaying, or there's something about my style you don't like, please tell me instead of just never replying again.

I will have no homophobic, transphobic or any other negative talk about anything from my partner. If that is an attitude that you are going to have, I'd rather not rp with you.

Communication is a big thing with me. So if you want to be my partner, do not just message me and start commanding me on what to do. if you have something in mind, please tell me and we can plan it out together, but bossing me around before we even start is going to make me not want to rp with you.

Non-con in anyway is one of the things I cannot stand. If you have a character that has it as a backstory, that's fine. But please do not mention or try to lead anything into "on screen".

Other topics I won't allow is abuse, yandere, drug use, necrophilia, large age gaps (10-20 years+), incest, pedophilia, slavery (sexual or forced), and cannibalism. There are some other topics that I do not approve of, but they will be written once I remember the words XD.

I will not do horror or historical based storylines.

It isn't a big no, but I'm not a big fan of triangles.

Fandoms: 𝑨𝒏𝒊𝒎𝒆 Name: Boku no Hero Academia Rating: ★★★★ Love Interest(s): Izuku Midoriya, Katsuki Bakugou, Shoto Todoroki, Eijiro Kirishima, Hitoshi Shinso, Mirio Togata, Tamaki Amajiki, Mina Ashido Name: That Time I Got Reincarnated As A Slime Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Benimaru, Souei, Guy Crimson Name: Overlord Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Optional: Demiurge, Your OC, Sebas Name: One Piece Rating: ★★★★ Love Interest(s): Vinsmoke Sanji, Monkey D. Luffy, Usopp, Trafalgar D. Water Law Name: Naruto Rating: ★★★★★

Love Interest(s): Naruto Uzumaki, Shikamaru Nara, Gaara, Neji Hyuuga, Kiba Inuzuka, Shino Aburame Name: Kimetsu no Yaiba: Demon Slayer Rating: ★★★★ Love Interest(s): Giyuu Tomioka, Kyujuro Rengoku, Sanemi Shinazugawa, Tanjiro Kamado Name: Hetalia Rating: ★★★ Love Interest(s): Japan "Kiku Honda", Germany "Ludwig Beilschmidt", Russia "Ivan Braginsky", Greece "Heracles Karpusi", Romano "Lovino Vargas" Name: Ouran Highschool Host Club Rating: ★ Love Interest(s): Kyoya Ootori, Tamaki Suoh, Takashi "Mori" Morinozuka Name: Food Wars: Shokugeki no Soma Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Soma Yukihira, Takumi Aldini, Isami Aldini, Ryo Kurokiba, Akira Hayama Name: The Disastrous Life of Saiki K. Rating:★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Kusuo Saiki, Metori Saiko, Aren Kuboyasu, Kaidou Shun Name: Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid Rating:★★★★★ Love Interest(s): TBD 𝑩𝒐𝒐𝒌𝒔 Name: Harry Potter Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Marauders: Sirius Black, Lucius Malfoy, Remus Lupin Golden Trio: Draco Malfoy, Harry Potter, Cedric Diggory, George Weasley, Ron Weasley, Neville Longbottom 𝑪𝒂𝒓𝒕𝒐𝒐𝒏𝒔 Name: Avatar: The Last Airbender Rating: ★★★★ Love Interest(s): Sokka, Zuko,Suki Name: Danny Phantom Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Danny Fenton, Dash Baxter, Clockwork, Johnny 13 Name: Xiaolin Showdown Rating: ★★★★ Love Interest(s): To Be Decided Name: Lego Monkie Kid Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): To Be Decided 𝑻𝒆𝒍𝒆𝒗𝒊𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 & 𝑴𝒐𝒗𝒊𝒆𝒔 Name: Marvel Cinematic Universe Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes, Thor Odinson, Eddie Brock, Dr. Stephen Strange Name: Dc Extended Universe Rating: ★★★★

Love Interest(s): Multiship Name: Kingsman Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Harry Hart "Arthur", Gary "Eggsy" Unwin "Galahad" ️ Name: Rise of the Guardians Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): E. Aster Bunnymund, Nicholas St. North, Pitch Black Name: The Walking Dead Rating: ★★★ Love Interest(s): Daryl Dixon, Rick Grimes, Glenn Rhee 𝑶𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒊𝒏𝒂𝒍 Name: Original Roleplay Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Your Ocs Name: Original Fantasy Roleplay Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Your Ocs 𝑽𝒊𝒅𝒆𝒐 𝑮𝒂𝒎𝒆𝒔 Name: Undertale Rating: ★★★★ Love Interest(s): Optional Name: Cuphead: Don't Deal with The Devil Rating: ★★★★ Love Interest(s): Optional Name: Pokémon Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Optional Name: Dragon Raja Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Luminous, Johann Chuu, Name: Detroit: Become Human Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): Connor, Gavin Reed, Hank Anderson Name: Genshin Impact Rating: ★★★★★ Love Interest(s): To Be Decided

Crossover Ideas: (Either Original Ideas or Ideas Gained by Reading Fanfics )

Danny Phantom x Dc

Danny Phantom x Marvel

Danny Phantom x Gravity Falls

Danny Phantom x The Walking Dead

Danny Phantom x Boku no Hero Academia

Danny Phantom x Stranger Things

Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid x Harry Potter

Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid x Genshin Impact

Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid x MHA

Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid x Marvel/Dc

That Time I Got Reincarnated As A Slime x Marvel/Dc

That Time I Got Reincarnated As A Slime x BNHA

Harry Potter x Marvel

Harry Potter x Dc

Harry Potter x Criminal Minds

Harry Potter x The Walking Dead

Kingsman x The Walking Dead

Kingsman x Marvel

Plenty more can be up for debate if you're interested.

And that is it!! If you read through my entire forum and liked what you saw, do not be afraid to dm me. If not on here, you can find me on discord @ IcyFoxy18#6849. I hope I can find plenty of partners and that we all get along. And don't be afraid to ask me any questions.

#rp #1x1 roleplay #discord roleplay #roleplay ad #roleplay finder #fandom #discord rp #crossover #crossover roleplay #rp ad #rp advert #dpxdc #dp x dc

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