Now I know they were constrained because of Covid but I think my perfect Supernatural ending would be a sight flash forward, with a camera tracking through the bunker, bustling with hunters coming and going.
We start by finding Sam standing at the big map table back in his season 14 premier role as mission control dispatching hunters on jobs, but this time he's got a baby strapped to his chest. Eileen comes in, covered in a bit of blood spatter clearly just back from a hunt, and she gives like a quick kiss to the baby and to Sam.
The camera continues tracking showing Garth in the library with Claire and Patience, deeply embroiled in some sort of research/story exchange trying to one up each other. We continue on through the halls, alternate Bobby and Charlie walking past geared up for a hunt, down past the kitchen where Donna and Jody are standing round the counter drinking coffee and laughing. We keep continuing through the space seeing all these hunters gathered in this home base, laughing and living and bonding
And then we go down to the basement, where we find Dean. We see him only from the back; alone, on his knees, facing a wall that's been covered in some sort of sigils. He's murmuring quietly, clearly in the middle of some sort of incantation, and we have arrived just as he finishes with a flourish of sparks and smoke from the bowl at his knees. We then cut round to show a centered close-up of his face as he stares forward, a worried look on his face, watching the wall. It holds on this tight close up, hanging on his expression as he waits in trepidation. Then suddenly his face is lit by a bright glow, and we see his expression crack into a teary smile as we hear Castiel's voice say "Hello Dean".
And cut to black
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thinking about how much worse deans mental state would have been if jack was an actual child/baby during the widow arc. cause we all know he wouldn't be able to kill a kid, no matter who he just lost. so he'd be at his absolute low, AND would have to take care of this kid that is directly associated with his moms disappearance and cas' death. and he wouldn't blame that kid (outloud) but he would in his head and it'd destroy him because he'd feel so guilty and angry at himself for trying to pin it all on a kid.
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I've heard several times now that supernatural was made by white men for white men and I just. Don't. Understand that. I've seen shows made for white men or just men in general. And supernatural is not at all like them. I honestly think supernatural was made for teens. The humor and the heart are just not at all what you will find in media targeting grown men. Supernatural is about brotherly love. And while a lot of media geared towards men is also about that, supernatural comes at it in a very different way. Instead of it being about two men becoming brothers through adversity and always knowing their place with each other and hardly ever talking to each other about their relationship, supernatural is about two brothers who start off super close and work on their relationship so they can both be happy in it. The whole show is them learning how to be better for each other. These men cry every other episode, and several main plot points revolve around them not communicating well. Instead of reinforcing the "dont speak about feelings cuz that's weak" trope so common in typical male media, supernatural activity demonizes that. It shows how unhealthy it is to bottle emotions. It shows that it actually destroys relationships if you dont talk about how you're feeling. Again, something you would want a teen to see. This show is not trying to be a manly show for manly men. It is a character/relationship study of how these two brothers grow into a relationship that is best for them. Not to say that this was always pulled off perfectly, but that was always the point and theme of the show.
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Do you agree w/ the fandom interpretation that john was so homophobic he’d have beaten up and abandoned his sons for being gay? Cause sure, he grew up in the 60s as a mechanic and then later became a marine during the vietnam war, but i also don’t think homophobia would’ve necessarily been a priority for him? Like obviously he’s not gonna be the full on supportive and politically correct loving dad, but i think that the fandom’s general opinion on that is pretty warped by people’s relationships w/ their own fathers
I do think this is one place where people tend to project. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that; working out our issues through fiction is healthy and good! I don’t think there’s any canon proof of it beyond, as you said, him being a marine from the sixties who would probably not be super knowledgeable about being queer, maybe a little apprehensive about it from what he’s absorbed through the culture he grew up in. I think we’d be correct to point out that if Sam or Dean were queer, he might be uncomfortable about it, he might try to avoid the topic, which is in of itself hurtful.
The thing about me is: I fully disagree that John was ever physically abusive towards his kids. At most, I will bend this interpretation to say he was probably too harsh on them while teaching them to fight and that maybe he and Sam have traded blows before when arguments got too loud (by blows, I mean, probably shoving with the yelling, you know, assertion of physical space. It seems realistic to me that two people who have been using violence for a long time to protect themselves, and for John, his family, down to the hierarchal power he’s put in place of him -> Dean -> Sam, would resort to it when things got too heated.)
(I also think that sometimes fandom’s insistence that John had to be physically abusive can sometimes get a little insulting because it perpetuates the idea that emotional abuse does less harm and can be overlooked and for flattening out John’s character in a way the show very literally pointed to and said He Did Not Do That. This is the entire point of Max’s episode in s1, for the show to point out that their experiences of abuse were different. How well it was handled is arguable, but I take it as clear evidence that when we talk about John’s relationship with his sons, the focus should be on the emotional abuse, the codependency he developed with Dean from a very young age, his neglect of them both, his attempts to suppress Sam, etc. And I appreciate this about the show, because you can’t talk about any of those things without also talking about why they’re happening, why John thinks this is necessary, how he loves his sons and isolates them to protect them and ends up doing more and more damage that will never leave them through their entire lives.
I’m sure there’s depictions of John being physically abusive that handle it with the same amount of nuance that the show handles him being emotionally abusive in canon. I have not seen them, unfortunately. I’ve seen John being physically abusive 90% of the time just being used as shorthand for him being Bad and Evil and A Terrible Father. Which does not interest me. So I will remain here as a staunch defender of He Would Not Fucking Hit His Kids.)
Sorry, okay, we got off topic there this is about gay shit.
The point of All Of That was for me to be able to say, John’s not going to react to his sons being queer by beating them. He’s definitely not going to abandon them. Hello? John Winchester? Abandon his kids? John Winchester, the guy who has been keeping them in warded up motel rooms their whole lives and moving them across the country out of paranoia the demon who killed his wife could find them if they say anywhere too long? John Winchester who only trusted one or two people to ever look after his sons when he went on a hunting trip too long? We think that John would ditch his kid because they’re queer???
Like I said, I think the most realistic reaction for John, (if not just flat out him going ‘that’s fine, now load this gun while I time you because that’s more important for me to know that you can do’, because. He kind of has bigger priorities to worry about here. Like werewolves.) would be discomfort and pushing it out of his view, ignoring it. Which would still fucking hurt! And would have horrible effects on Sam and Dean both, would encourage Dean to repress it if he thinks his dad is ashamed of him, would push Sam away if he trusts John with this fact about himself and can’t be accepted easily.
I just think this is truer to John’s character.
Anyway. If nothing else here persuades anyone reading that John Would Not Fucking Do That, well. He thought his kid was demonspawn, remember? He thought Sam was corrupted and might not be able to be saved. I don’t think you can get more clear queercoding than that, and you know what John’s very telling response was to that information, to finding out something a thousand times more terrifying than Sam being gay ever could be? To refuse to look at it. To insist to himself that whatever Hell wanted with Sam, he wouldn’t let it happen. To tell Dean to take care of it, because even when John is certain that his son might literally become a demon, he could never bring himself to pull the trigger on him. Because he loves Sam.
So like. He literally would not do anything for the much smaller realization that Sam is gay. His son has demon blood that might turn him super evil, and John still wouldn’t hurt him.
I guess what I’m trying to say here is, I try to keep the fact that John loved his sons at the forefront of my mind when I’m writing stuff about him, because I think if you let that slide out of your head, you can very easily make him much worse, much more flat than he was in canon. The real picture of him is just an extremely flawed man in a terrible situation who fucks up his kids as much as he protects them.
And also he wouldn’t care about them being gay because JohnAzazel real and true and they fucked sloppy in that hospital basement-
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I think that Jack is an interesting character and him growing up fast added a layer to the show that simply wouldn’t have been there otherwise and I appreciate that BUT I think it’s really fun to think about how Jack being a baby would have affected Dean specifically and the choices he made
Because you have these parallels in the episode between Dean and John as it is—they both lost someone they love because of the actions of Lucifer, and they both lost Mary as an ultimate result of her sacrificing her own life to keep her family alive—and, like John hunted down Azazel to kill him, Dean wants to get rid of Jack, who he holds responsible.
But I think that association changes if Jack is a baby. Dean is still paralleled with John as a result of losing Cas, but losing his mom and being left with a baby who might one day be evil due to something outside of their control, and finding himself suddenly in a parental role for that kid? That’s a parallel to Dean’s own past.
And suddenly, the conflict between Dean and Jack isn’t that Dean wants to kill him but is being held back one way or another, it’s that Dean wants to blame Jack first Cas’s death and his mom’s sacrifice, but he CAN’T, because every time Dean looks at baby Jack he sees Sam, who he carried out of a fire at six months old.
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idea for how spn could pick back up for a reunion without (technically) undoing any of the finale:
Sam & Dean BOTH vanished into thin air in late November 2020. Everyone thinks they're dead. Nobody ever finds their bodies, but there's a hunter's funeral held for Sam & Dean anyway.
3 years later, Dean stumbles into some random hunter's Charlie's latest safehouse. He's half-carrying, half-dragging Sam. Sam's hair is white, he looks like he's lost half his body weight. It's extremely clear that this isn't natural aging. Something did this to him.
Dean gently lowers his brother to the floor before collapsing himself, coughing and clutching at the hastily-wrapped bandages over his back and chest.
Before losing consciousness, he gasps out something about The Fae.
roll title sequence
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Supernatural Fanfiction
Adventures in Babysitting (Apple Pie Life) by alexjanna91
Read Sequel Dean Winchester, Patron Saint (Apple Pie Life) Series 1 - 11
Bookmark Series 1 - 8
Dean had promised Sam he’d try living an apple pie life, but he’d had no idea it would be so freaking perilous. Smart-ass kids, helicopter moms, asshole husbands, creepy dudes in the park, and more drama than a daytime soap-opera abound. Dean’s stuck wondering if he wouldn’t have been safer sticking to hunting.
Notes:
*Note: There may be some disparity with Ben’s canonical age, but for the purposes of this fic and series he is ten years old.
Each fic in this series will have it's own warnings, so be advised.
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