#cults cw

[grapesodatozier]

I’ve been thinking about how neutral shauna is toward all the cult/symbol stuff and it made me realize something so interesting and important and real about her character, which is that I think she’s going to approach the cult stuff with tact and skills she learned from her relationship with jackie.

in her relationship with jackie, on the surface it looked like shauna was just following jackie around, her second in command. sure, they’d fight, but shauna never really openly challenged jackie’s air of authority as team captain or as her friend (until, of course, she did). but we know that internally shauna was not actually blindly following jackie. shauna has always seen the power structure in their relationship for what it was and navigated it in her own way. she let jackie think she was in charge, but shauna is actually making her own decisions—hooking up w jeff, contemplating going to a different college, etc. yet on the surface shauna was happy to let jackie believe her power was unchallenged, bc she knew anything else would blow up in her face. she does the math and keeps her own personhood to herself while letting jackie think she holds more power over shauna than she actually does (at least from shauna’s POV).

I think she’s gonna take this approach to the cult stuff. it would be a great way to keep with the themes of the cannibalism and the cult mirroring girlhood. shauna knows how to appease self-appointed or even peer-appointed leaders while keeping her own personhood internally, and I think we’ve kind of already seen this with the cult and cannibalism stuff. shauna is not speaking in lottie’s favor like van or travis, but she’s not openly challenging lottie like tai or nat. she doesn’t have much to say about it at all.

but we see her being quietly skeptical at various points, and she did partake in the cult shit in s1, and she initiated the cannibalism (again under the guise of serving jackie: “she wants us to”). I think shauna’s got her own shit going on that sometimes aligns with the cult and sometimes doesn’t, and I think her relationship with jackie has given her skill in subtle manipulation of social dynamics. shauna is not the hunter or the leader like nat and tai: she serves her role alone in a shed slowly bleeding out and rationing the meat, and I think that reflects her social survival strategy as well. she is such a private person and bides her time, keeping her personhood in private, spaced out, rationed little pieces of rebellion. jackie didn’t just physically keep shauna alive—I think the skills jackie gave her are going to keep shauna very safe when it comes to people starting to be sacrificed, and fights and power struggles breaking out, because she knows how to appease leaders while looking out for herself at the same time.

#losing my mind over her constantly #hopefully this makes sense lol #shauna shipman #yellowjackets #yellowjackets spoilers #death tw #cannibalism cw #cults cw

[hoofpeet]

Ingo being cute/sexy, leader of a cult, caring for them, and praising (if i understood) an eldritch god... Isn't that cult of the lamb-ish? Would he or spice find out about that game when he gets back in his timeline and play it at every given moment? That'd be fun

Cult of the. wooloo

#mailbox #hoof draws #i like the idea that ingo instantly returns to normal upon coming home #hops back on his meds and's like oh. whoopsie ! #cults cw #<?

[nepentheisms]

Trigun Bookclub: Some Very Long-Winded Final Thoughts (for now)

So what's my takeaway after all this discussion about the allusions to religious concepts and narratives in Trigun? What conclusions does the story draw about faith? And are there any theological ramifications to its message?

From my perspective, the belief system Trigun promotes is a broadly defined humanism that isn't bound by any religious tradition. Declarations of faith in this story are more often directed at individual people or humanity as a whole than toward a god or metaphysical concept. Trigun says that the purest and most fundamental faith is our belief in one another and in our collective capacity for good, and the specifics of any one person's faith are worth pursuing so long as it keeps them in the business of living and engaging compassionately with other sentient beings.

In Trigun's larger thesis on faith, there's also a notable emphasis on the drive for continued life and hope for a future that can be built in the present world as opposed to glorifying death in the service of grandiose ideals, especially if those ideals center on seeing the world as irredeemable and in need of destruction. And it's through this message of continued striving in the here and now that I think Trigun brings up its own point of contention against a particular theological perspective. What we have in Trigun is a firm rejection of apocalypticism.

According to the Critical Dictionary of Apocalyptic and Millenarian Movements, apocalypticism is the "belief in the impending or possible destruction of the world itself or physical global catastrophe, and/or the destruction or radical transformation of the existing social, political, or religious order of human society—often referred to as the apocalypse." In Christianity, this perspective is clearly seen in futurist interpretations of the book of Revelation (the Greek root word for apocalypse - apokalypsis, means revelation or unveiling). This eschatological approach treats the text as a prophetic outline of the end of the world in which God brings judgment through a series of cataclysms and then secures an everlasting paradise for the faithful.

Revelation 21:1-4 (NRSV):

(1) Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. (2) And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. (3) And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "See, the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them: they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them; (4) he will wipe every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; mourning and crying and pain will be no more, for the first things have passed away."

As we all know, Knives loves to position himself as a bringer of divine judgment in the same vein as the Abrahamic God.

To Knives, humans are a source of evil that have to be purged from his world; salvation for his chosen people (plants - the higher beings) can only come through mass death. The realization of Knives' apocalypse is doomsday for humankind. No surprise then that in his followers (some of whom revere him like a deity), we see the sentiments of a doomsday cult. To Legato, service to the supreme being is his sole purpose in life; if Knives commands him to die, then he'll die gladly. For Elendira, the most glorious service to the supreme being is to facilitate his vision for the end of the world, and she wants nothing more than to see it happen. And in Chapel, we see the cruelty and cynicism promoted by the apocalyptic mindset: If the end is inevitable, then all efforts to protect what we have in this world are futile, so what value is there in choosing to be merciful?

The immense harm dealt by real religious groups that hold similar beliefs to these is difficult to overstate. So long as any atrocity in the temporal world can be justified when committed in deference to what are taught to be higher spiritual principles, there are no ethical boundaries these groups won't transgress. Japanese society in recent history has, in fact, had significant experiences with violent apocalyptic fanaticism. The most well-known of these occurred on March 20, 1995, in which the doomsday cult Aum Shinrikyo carried out its deadly sarin gas attack in the Tokyo Metro subway system. An act of religious terrorism left many dead and thousands injured, all because some people were convinced the world was ending, and it was to their benefit and everyone else's benefit if they could make it end faster.

The doctrine of Aum Shinrikyo was a mishmash of Hindu, Buddhist, and Christian concepts, and Christian eschatological views on Armageddon were especially influential to cult leader Shoko Asahara's prophecies in the time leading up to the attack. Common threads in books of the Christian Bible with apocalyptic elements include emphasis on the corrupting nature of the present world and promises of eternal unity with God after a final war in which Christ emerges victorious against all evil. These ideas are also disconcertingly influential in mainstream American Evangelical Protestant Christianity. Even in the most nonviolent Christians who would never dream of associating with extremists, it's not hard to find an underlying cynicism and detachment with regard to living life in the present. There's the notion that the world is fundamentally broken and sinful, and believers should look forward to God's destruction and remaking of it, because perfect happiness can only come in the thereafter.

1 John 2:15-17 (NRSV):

(15) Do not love the world or the things in the world. The love of the Father is not in those who love the world, (16) for all that is in the world—the desire of the flesh, the desire of the eyes, the pride in riches—comes not from the Father but from the world. (17) And the world and its desire are passing away, but those who do the will of God abide forever.

From such a perspective, hope is primarily oriented toward some indefinite point in the future that will come to pass via the eradication of every imperfection that marks the present. What happens in the story of Trigun, however, is an overturning of the apocalyptic narrative. The climax of Trigun Maximum invokes the fantastical imagery of Revelation, creating the impression of a stage set for the definitive final battle between the embodiments of good and evil, but then the story pushes back against the narrative conventions of apocalypticism. There is no end of days, no destruction and re-creation of the world, because it was averted by radical human hope for compassionate understanding in the here and now. And there is no ultimate triumph of Good over Evil in which Satan is cast into the lake of fire. In fact, there may not even be a "Satan" in this story at all.

When Knives collects his sisters into an amalgamated body, his form and theirs take on a draconic appearance, bringing to mind the red dragon of Revelation (that is, Satan). In Knives' own mind, however, he's God pouring out his divine wrath on the humans who've sinned against him, and there are angelic elements to his design as well to reflect this. Ultimately, his form doesn't hold. Vash and his human allies manage a breakthrough in communicating with the collective body of dependent plants, and when Knives is cast to the earth (in another departure from Revelation, this doesn't occur as the outcome of heavenly forces battling against him), he faces Vash one last time as just a man - Vash's brother who's lashing out because he never processed his extreme childhood trauma. Because maybe in the end these forces of absolute good and absolute evil don't exist; maybe our willingness to imagine God and the Devil was always the product of our own messy, conflicted humanity in all its potential for good and evil.

The resolution, then, happens not through one brother killing the other, but through connection and understanding, a little push toward a kinder existence for everyone. Knives ends up having to place his trust in the very humans he hated in order to save his brother's life, and his faith is rewarded. For Vash and the rest of humanity, life goes on; it goes on in an imperfect present, but it's a present where there's plenty of joy to be found nonetheless. So the story closes out under a bright blue sky with the assurance that the song of humanity still sang. There's no looming threat of doomsday, just a path forward toward more life.

#trigunbookclub #trigun #trigun maximum #ow my brain I need a break from writing #trigun meta #Guns&God meta #religion mention #christianity mention #cults cw #terrorism cw #long post

[metanarrates]

i already know that this happens with just about every form of abuse, because a lot of people only engage with abuse to be sensationalist in fiction, but it is really frustrating to see cults tossed around to make something more Edgy or whatever without ever understanding the extent of harm cults cause in real life. like hey, did you know that cult members are in fact victims of massive abuse on a systematic level? did you know there are quite a lot of them in real life and maybe you shouldn't invoke the specter of that abuse so casually? no? you're just gonna write about guys in black cloaks sacrificing a goat or whatever? ok.

#narrates #the vast majority of people only regard cults as existing in this near fantastical space #that cannot exist in real life or have affected ordinary people #which is just not true. survivors exist in real life you Can talk to us #and treating us as a fringe member of society you don't have to account for #just further increases the isolation the cults we were in Already tried to impose onto us #cults cw

[biblionerd07]

Amazon has a new docu series about the Duggars and the whole IBLP system they’re part of and it is fucking brutal.

#cults cw #abuse cw #fundamentalists #Jill is part of it and I’m so glad she got away but it is so fucking bad #shiny happy people

[asks-n-trolls]

Night Terrors

Lamb drabble! A good nights rest is hard to come by nowadays

Content warning for some minor cult stuff and uh burning alive stuff? LMK If I need to tag anything

"Go on then. Bring our little lamb to the altar. It's almost time." Those words, haunt you in your waking moments and even- especially now. When your eyes are shut and you've drifted off in hopes of getting any kind of rest.

You're being escorted and what you see around you is the two blurred faces of the trolls who fed and cared for you, distant memories those lusus substitutes, each grabbing your arm and forcing you toward the pyre. Words and symbols carved into the wooden pole as they try to tie you to it.

Your heart races, you never chose this but then again the moment you first opened your eyes you didn't get much choice in anything. You struggle and try to flail in an attempt to make it harder for them to tie your hands together but in end its not much use. You spot an opening and use your head, or your horns I should say, to ram into at least one of them. You land a hit on the side of their jaw that causes the one you hit to fall over the other rushes to them in aid and there you stand. Why are you still standing. Your feet and legs are free, you run past them but before you can get far you feel yourself get tackled by others.

The leader tells them to be careful with you, you're their prize sacrifice after all. One of many but the very last one they need to finally summon the deity he's allegedly been in contact with. Flashes of an old rusty bone saw appear in your peripheral the horrible sound of horns being sawed off flooding your skull, you try to fight back but they easily overpower you. Defeated you are dragged back to the 'altar'. Your stare cold and empty as He recites some prayer and the flock does the same, chanting with him as they light the match.

As you watch it fall indescribable pain surrounds you, starting at the soles of your feet then slowly rising, you want to scream in pain but you know its useless. You close your eyes and wish it'd all just go away meanwhile your body screams at you to get away. It feels like an eternity before you finally pass out from the pain. Your world is dark but not for long… You see in the distance a light growing closer then suddenly multiple appear that's when you realize what they truly are. Eyes.

You open your eyes and for a moment, the shadows form the vaguest silhouette of-- Eyes. Shut. No. It's not him, this isn't the first time you've woken up like this, by now you know its just those shadows following you around pestering you to keep moving forward but that would mean leaving; Your new hive, Your friends, Vemili, Everything. You can't be alone not again. You hate being alone. You were alone for so long the thought of not being around them it hurts almost as much as-- That's enough reminiscing. It's late but the sun wont rise for a few more hours, maybe a walk will help clear your head, it hardly ever does but perhaps this time…

You give your matesprit a kiss on the cheek and tell him you'll be back and all he can respond with is a mumble in return, you smile and get ready to venture out.

#lamb drabble #cult cw #cults cw

[fictionkinfessions]

Well… how did this happen?

-The One Who Waits (Cult of the Lamb kin, who literally just bought the game today and kinfirmed.)

x

#fictionkinfessions #fictionkin #cultofthelambkin #theonewhowaitskin #cults cw #mod party cat

[lizardsfromspace]

People who think Andrew Tate is a run-of-the-mill cult leader need to understand something. He led two cults, one for boys and one for girls. You had the horrifying NXIVM cult on one side and a "bunch of armed guys training at the compound" cult on the other. What a unbelievably terrible person

#cults cw

[amethystsoda]

It’s kind of cliche how stereotypical my abuse and indoctrination was growing up—

(I guess this is technically a bit of trauma dumping??? But hopefully it’s more like “here are some experiences other traumatized millennials will relate to.” We share in this history together 🤝)

Family was into religious cult activities (aka evangelical pentecostals) and made us spend lots of time at church (good for becoming someone who cares about others and giving, but not good bc brainwashing/shaming/etc)

Only got one year of kindergarten before getting pulled into homeschool after a move. Mother got into talk radio and the conservative brain poisoning.

Not allowed to watch cartoons other than veggie tales. Christian bookstore almost exclusively. Hyper patriotic. ONe nation under GOD!!!!!!! *eagle caw*

Rapture scare and apocalypse fear—don’t deny Jesus if someone tries to shoot you and make you renounce Christ. Forced to watch The Omega Code at way too young. Listened to the audiobooks of all the Left Behind series (content including rapture, natural disasters, assassinations, beheadings for not taking the mark of the beast, etc).

My biggest fear around 7-10 years old was that I would have to be loyal to Jesus and get beheaded. I literally sat around thinking about how scary a guillotine was and how I would have to steel myself to accept that fate.

Also as a Pentecostal family, my parents believed in speaking in tongues. Cue up me at maybe 4 years old being forced to “learn the language” (I was getting no divine insight, no spiritual spark. I was a child with my brain still developing)

but being put into the empty bathtub until “the spirit worked” (aka I faked it and replicated how my parents did it with tear streaked cheeks, just so I could escape that hell).

Spanking as punishment… I wasn’t even that bad of a kid. They just didn’t know how to handle me being an independent thinker and curious.

Talk out problems?? Nah. Open palm spanking your butt will silence you and train you not to talk back. You said something I don’t like??? Time to push you to the wall and grab your chin and yell at you until you “repent.” (No wonder my response eventually was just to shut down.)

It didn’t stop there. When we got older and they didn’t spank as much. It was “you have to pray and repent out loud” “you have to read scripture.” And for someone who went nonverbal during those times, it was so painful to do.

I got diagnosed with adhd in kindergarten but my mom basically said “that doesn’t exist” and ignored it. I had tons of sensory issues and that motor system stuff where you trip or are clumsy a lot. I cried when the crinoline of dresses scratched my legs. I was hyper fixated on red shoes and butterflies.

I had purity training at 9 years old. A sliding scale off a cliff diagram of “dangerous actions” (the start was holding hands. Off the cliff was laying in bed naked and sex).

Growing up fat and constant throat infections but no doctor’s care because “you just need to pray when you’re sick and quote scripture and god will heal you.” The advil? Hidden up in the kitchen cupboard and judgement any time you would reach for it.

I remember never talking about crushes too because everyone would embarrass me. I didn’t know any terms for demisexual/bisexual. I just knew I felt deep love for everyone, and sexual desire for almost no one.

I often think about how things could have been different. How I ended up parenting myself and only relying on myself. No one else would care for me, so I had to.

Sure there were occasionally good moments.

I’m sure my mother was trying her best with my dad constantly at work until late hours.

But it also could have been so much better…

If you also grew up like this, I am holding you so tenderly. I’m holding a warm washcloth to the old wounds and wiping the childhood tears off your face.

I’m giving 10 year old you a mug of hot cocoa and a warm blanket and putting cartoons on. There’s no yelling. No threat of abuse. You’re safe 🫂🫂

We’ve been through so much, but there are better days ahead. 💖💖💖

#i’ve been considering making some comics about this… #abuse cw #religious trauma #cults cw #emotional abuse cw #amethyst rants #purity culture

[weirdcatperson1]

Fuck

Ok so, I just watched shiny happy people, which is a documentary show about the Duggar family and the IBLP. It kinda freaked me out. Reason being, I used to be in a kinda cult.

The mother of my childhood best friend was the spiritual leader for my family and several other homeschool families. She policed what we did and what we said, and most of all the media we consumed. I don’t want to get too much into it. Anyways, I thought I was in sort of a fledgling cult, but after watching the documentary tonight, I found I was wrong. We were actually on the very outskirts of the IBLP cult, which is sixty years old, has their own paramilitary group, and has been meddling big time in politics for at least twenty years.

I do not enjoy finding this out.

#ex fundie #iblp #bill gothard #shiny happy people #the duggars #duggar family #cults cw #religious cults #ex christian #I do not like my childhood

[chelledoggo]

CW: Jehovah's Witness mention //

i wanna make a Caleb and Sophia AU where they start deconstructing their JW teachings, are adopted by a loving new progressive/affirming Christian (or maybe even interfaith) family, and seek out God/spirituality in their own way without fear or shame.

also as she gets older, Sophia discovers she's a lesbian and starts a relationship with Zoey, who also grew to doubt JW teachings. they get married as adults and adopt several ex-JW children. Sophia also enters into a STEM field career and is highly successful.

maybe Caleb will look into Christian witchcraft, Christian mysticism, or Christian folk magic, since he was shamed for liking a magical character as a child. kind of a way to take back that part of his childhood. and just for the heck of it, let's have him start exploring his (or her. or their.) gender identity, too.

like dammit the more i watch these fucking Caleb and Sophia shorts (by proxy through people riffing on them), the more i want a better life for these poor kids.

#progressive christianity #queer christian #ex-jw #cw religion #cw cults #religion cw #cults cw

[hoofpeet]

I'm tired but. thoughts

#hoof draws #submas #<-whatever this thing is #also sorry if ingo being crazy is. weird in some way ig? #i think it's an interesting concept to explore #Drawing spice as like. a normal fuckin guy feels so weird #cults cw

[harbingrs]

I feel like the experience kind of rewired my brain and a solid 15 years later, I'm still dealing with the fallout. A post I just saw in the tags refers to creating a "god shaped hole" in context of the church isolating you from the rest of the world to keep you there.

I think equally dangerous is preying on people who already have that hole inside them (and in my church's case most of the converts were teens from abusive families). Every kid I can think of now who joined (and stayed) while I was there was also fucking traumatised.

And damn if it doesn't it give you something to fill that space like nothing else. And once you leave? You're gonna spend the rest of your life chasing something like that again.

If I reached out to the rest of those kids now I would not be surprised if 100% of us have substance use issues. Without a trace of exaggeration, I would bet it's every single one.

#posts #ex christian #exvangelical #of the other kids that joined around the same time #I think all of them left in the year or two after me #but nobody ever spoke to me again bar the two people I'd already known pre-church #the one who recruited me and the one I recruited #cults cw

[metanarrates]

i do fucking hate being a cult survivor. just about nobody takes it seriously as a form of abuse. and while i recognize that literally every form of abuse is not taken seriously by broader society, it also just fucking sucks that almost every single discussion or depiction on cults is dominated by an undercurrent of "wowwwww look at that crazy shit that happens to Those People!!!!! good thing that this almost never happens in Real Life!!" not to mention the jokes.

i could talk for ages & ages about how cults are an intensification of every condition in society that normalizes every form of control, and about how in addition to it as a systemic, institutional harm, it creates a breeding ground for every single form of interpersonal abuse under the fucking SUN, but i don't think i need to legitimize my experience by connecting it to other forms of abuse! I didn't experience those and what happened to me was Still abuse. it doesn't matter if it was wacky, or weird, or illogical from an outside perspective. it was still fucking abuse. it took me years to recognize it as such BECAUSE the conversation around cults is so warped that I had no way to recognize that i was in one. those jokes aren't so funny when you realize that they literally prevent victims from recognizing what is happening to them!

#narrates #cults cw

[multi-lefaiye]

where's that post like "how you feel about the ending of the movie midsommar is a very good litmus test for how susceptible you are to cult ideology and recruitment"

#multi makes text posts #ppl misinterpret that movie so hard it drives me nuts #cults cw

[gas-stxtion]

//also i wanna be the smallest amount of !!! about some ideas real quick so i wanna share one other thing i've been taking notes on with the new profiles i wrote for the carrd

anyway yeah all my muses here have parents with actual names. feels like a small thing. and did i have to do that? no. no i didn't. i really didn't. but i've wanted for a while to develop these characters' parents, and that starts with giving them names.

does any of this matter? probably not. but i think this is a fun thing to consider for their characters and establishing more of where they each come from, even if a majority of these characters' parents are dead or otherwise not in their lives.

also goes without saying but a lot of my thoughts here are speculation or based on limited evidence in canon, since many of these characters' family backgrounds are just not explained, especially not in any significant detail.

anyway thoughts under the cut

spencer's parents: john and hannah middleton

i've actually had the idea in mind for like a year now that spencer's mom's name was hannah. if you know why.... keep your mouth shut. (kidding)

spencer's parents are dead. he killed them both in retaliation after years of abuse and neglect stemming from their genuine fear of their son's mental illness. basically everyone in town knows he did it, but there's very little chance of him being prosecuted for it. not because anyone thinks it was justified, though--more because, though everyone *knows* he did it, there isn't enough *concrete* evidence.

tony's parents: alejandro caballero and inés torres

so i've talked a little about tony's parents publicly, but not in a lot of detail. the main thing i wanna point out here is that neither of his parents' surnames are vargas. because i'm going all in on "antonio vargas is a fake name." vargas is the surname i gave him but yeah it's all fake babeyyy!!!!

forget if i've said anywhere publicly yet, but tony's legal name is oscar caballero torres! or as he'd mostly be referred to in the U.S., oscar torres. (not sure on exactly *what* specific national heritage his family has, but in at least most spanish cultures, people traditionally have two surnames, one associated with each parent, though in the U.S. for example they tend to go by their matronym. so yeah legally he'd be oscar torres.)

(the only reason i'm giving each of his parents one surname each here is simplicity, but their names would also follow this tradition.)

anyway, tony's father alejandro died when he was a young teenager, but his momma is very important to him and a major figure in his life.

jack's parents: charlotte townsend and william evans

so i mentioned earlier this year that i think it's very possible that jack's surname, townsend, isn't his *original* surname. and i've decided to just commit to that.

my original idea was that jack adopted the name townsend from one of his foster parents, possibly his first, as a way of symbolizing him leaving behind his old name and past and basically just. restarting his identity (which is also how him being trans flew mostly under the radar with his neighbors). i ended up dropping that, though, and instead i think townsend is his mom's maiden name.

jack's mom, charlotte, walked out on him and his dad when he was *very* young, and before that she wasn't super present in his life. i don't think she was actively abusive towards him like his dad was, but i also think she wasn't exactly mother of the year. (idk, i go back and forth on how sympathetic to her i am.)

ANYWAY i have a lot more thoughts on jack's parents that are best saved for another post, but basically. jack's mother left her shitty abusive husband and young child behind and started a new life, and jack took her maiden name as he grew when he started a new one as well. i doubt it was intentional on his part, and honestly i think it came down to an issue in the paperwork when he was entered into foster care.

jerry's parents: daphne and matthias pascal

so this is where i am nervously ignoring canon and just kinda doing what i want with the references to jerry's family while picking and choosing what i want from those references.

jerry's parents are a pair of old money types who settled in delaware, and who are definitely *not* happy with the fact that one of their children ran off to join a cult and hasn't spoken to them in well over a decade. his parents cared less about who he was as a person and more about what he could do to further their legacies and reputations. the cult honestly probably started in part as rebellion against them.

in present day, jerry's parents don't know where he is, and he's happy with that. occasionally, the private investigators they hire to try and find him get close to figuring him out, but he's gotten good at evading them.

rosa's parents: elisa vasquez and lorenzo rivera

again, tying in with what i mentioned about spanish surnames under tony's section, rosa's full legal name would be rosa rivera vasquez. ditto for her parents having more surnames, though i'm sticking just to the ones they would've passed down to rosa.

anyway, rosa has two loving parents who genuinely care about her and are active parts of her life, though she has been making a rather significant effort to be more independent and not rely on them as much as she did when she was younger. (ignoring the fact that she *is* still very young.)

i won't pretend they've never had conflict, but for the most part their relationship is healthy and strong. her parents love her and she loves them.

amelia's parents: celeste o'brien and james ambrose

amelia was raised by a single mother, which is where a lot of her drive to be a strong woman and handle everything herself comes from. i originally considered the idea that her father was mostly absent from her life, but i've decided to scrap that idea. she knows her father and has spoken with him, and he has made an effort to be part of her life. he didn't walk out intentionally, and he's been trying to make it up to her.

buuuut she's not particularly impressed with him. she doesn't want to give him a chance, so for the most part she's just. not going to. she has a relationship with him and it's mostly cordial, but she doesn't really get along with him. her relationship with her mother is similarly tense, but they're definitely closer than she is with her dad.

she is, however, *very* close with her aunt natasha. natasha was there for amelia when no one else really was when she was a kid, and she never forgot that. hell, half the reason she moved to this shitty little town in georgia was to be there for her aunt.

sabine's parents: amanda and joseph lemoyne

yeah, i finally named the gas station owners. about time! i could only deal with calling them pops and mamaw for so long.

sabine's parents were a pair of right-wing doomsday preppers who neglected their daughter severely in favor of preparing for an apocalypse and other conspiracy theorist bullshit. they did their part to prepare sabine as well, but for the most part, they tended to just... have her take care of the home while they dealt with everything else, very rarely giving her the support she needed. generally, the lemoyne's had a reputation in town for being very strange but well-meaning, though, and very few people raised a fuss about anything they said or did.

(and yeah, the fact that the lemoyne's were right in some respects about some of what they were paranoid conspiracy buffs about doesn't take away from their rancid-ass beliefs or their treatment of sabine.)

#you know this whole thing is one big experiment‚ right? and you're the little mouse? {ooc} #as far as jobs go‚ it's not the best‚ but it's not the worst either {headcanons} #❝ i'm the only full time employee‚ which means i'm on the clock more often than not ❞ {jack townsend} #❝ if he was going to kill me‚ i wanted him to think i wasn't afraid ❞ {spencer middleton} #❝ seeing tony actually upset was the scariest thing i'd ever seen ❞ {antonio vargas} #❝ her name is rosa‚ and despite her eager optimism‚ i guess she's pretty cool ❞ {rosa vasquez} #❝ she's a tough as a brick brooklyn transplant with an itchy trigger finger ❞ {amelia o'brien} #❝ i wonder what she who must not be named is doing right now ❞ {sabine lemoyne} #❝ i told him i was surprised he was still alive ; he mistook it for a compliment ❞ {jerry pascal} #//jesus so many tags. anyway. #//this is long but here we go #abuse cw #cults cw #ask to tag