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aracaranelentari · 4 months
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Here's another Nature of Middle-Earth quote that I keep thinking about:
"[Years of the Trees:] 2223. The "Ambassadors" return. Great Debate of the Quendi. A few refuse even to attend. Imin, Tata, and Enel are ill-pleased, and regard the affair as a revolt on the part of the youngest Quendi, to escape their authority. None of the First Elves (144) accept the invitation. Hence the Avari called and still call themselves "the Seniors"." (NoME 96)
I think that's super interesting! Tolkien gives multiple potential versions of this whole sequence, when the Three Ambassadors return to Cuiviénen, so this is only one of them, but it's kind of my favorite. I like the idea that the Three Ambassadors sort of usurped the leadership of the Three Fathers, and that Imin, Tata, and Enel are potentially still out there, and may have a grudge against those three descendants of theirs.
Imin especially is a pretentious asshole, as he claims to be the "Father of all Quendi", and seems to want control over all the Elves. I want to write a fic where Morgoth or Sauron ally with Imin, maybe they tell him they can help him regain his authority over the Elves? It would certainly be an interesting premise if the Three Fathers showed up at Valinor or Beleriand one day, with the intent of taking back their kingship.
It's also always been bizarre to me that Fëanor was so worried about Fingolfin usurping the throne when Finwë was king in a place where kings do not die, and do not really need heirs (theoretically). But if Finwë was a usurper before Fingolfin was, then Fëanor's fears have a bit more ground, I think, especially if Fingolfin had the greater love from their people. It's happened before, Fëanor would think, therefore it could happen again. Elves seem to follow who they prefer as a king rather than who technically has the most claim, which is shown both in the Three Ambassadors vs the Three Fathers, and also with Fëanor vs Fingolfin during the Flight.
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nin-varisse · 9 months
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There are Elven names such as Finarfin, Galadriel, Makalaure or Ecthelion and then there's Tata.
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marysmirages · 2 years
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Lake Cuivienen (Children of the Stars) 2021
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Great Elven-Cities of Middle Earth
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evil-crayon · 7 months
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I am participating in Tolkientober (no I am not too late what are you talking about)!
There are obviously a lot of beginnings in Tolkiens universe, but I like this one so here you go.
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strelkovski · 2 years
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Water of Awakening
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aotearoa20 · 1 year
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Finwë: (accidentally hits Elwë with a fruit)
Ingwe: (three hours later) You can come down the tree now, he gone
Finwe: He’s not gone… he’s waiting…
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lotrscenery · 2 years
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wilwarin-wilwa · 7 months
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WHERE WERE imin & iminye, tata & tatie, and enel & enelye when the westfold fell during the events of the silmarillion??
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ceescedasticity · 7 months
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Arda Natural Science Question-I-Don't-Anticipate-Will-Have-A-Satisfactory-Answer #724:
Elves and domesticated animals in Cuiviénen.
—Actually I'm not sure we have attested domesticated animals other than dogs and horses? Elves eat meat, but that could be only from hunting. No wool seems highly unlikely to me, but I don't think it's required? Is milk ever mentioned? It's not… completely implausible that elves are fine with hunting but slaughtering an animal whose life you were responsible for, an animal you know, is just kinda. Awkward. No, never mind, that's not what I was talking about, that can be Arda Natural Science Question-I-Don't-Anticipate-Will-Have-A-Satisfactory-Answer #725. No, #726, #725 can be horses. For #724:
('Worked differently' could be… I don't know, the power of intention means it happened in very few generations? Individual wild canines could transform into dogs if persuaded?)
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aracaranelentari · 6 months
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Finished reading Nature of Middle-Earth! Here's a line concerning the Cuiviénen days that stood out to me: "During Oromë's absence [Melkor's] emissaries were busy, and many lies circulate. The "heresy" awakes in new form: the Valar clearly do exist; but they have abandoned Endor: rightly as the appointed realm of the Quendi. Now they are becoming jealous, and wish to control the Quendi as vassals, and so re-possess themselves of Endor. Finwë, a gallant and adventurous young quende, direct descendant of Tata, is much taken by these ideas; less so his friend Elwë, descendant of Enel." (NoME p.95)
So Melkor spread lies about the Valar to the elves of Cuiviénen, saying that they are jealous of the Quendi, and want to control them. This... is the same thing he does centuries later after being unchained; the lies he sows within the Ñoldor in Aman are really just re-worded versions of what he told the Quendi at Cuiviénen.
And, most interestingly to me, Finwë is said to be taken by the original lies, though his belief in them likely dissipated after visiting Aman. But like father like son, right? It's his eldest son Fëanor who is the most vocal about Melkor's later lies.
I wonder how Finwë felt during the unrest of the Ñoldor in Aman. He's said to be "greatly troubled" in the Silmarillion, and honestly it makes sense. He's hearing his people spread lies he's heard before. History is repeating itself.
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Yavanna and elven Tirion. I’m Australian and therefore ‘tree’ has one meaning for me, so welcome to Aussie bush valinor.
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valinorianyears · 1 year
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Glorfindel at the shores of Cuivienen, staring at the moon, missing Ecthelion. In the background the ancient city of the first eldar
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moonwalker750 · 2 years
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HEADCANON:
The early flora and fauna of Arda (i.e., before the making of Sun and Moon in the first age) was weird and entirely different from later times.
I realised that before the destruction of tree therenwas only starlight. The trees (from which Silmaril and Sun/Moon was made) were planted in Valinor, which is far from the Middle Earth, where the Elves awakened and lived for a duration of time. The light of the trees did not reach the middle earth.
The Trees could be considered the effective substitute of sunlight. So while the flora, and by the association, fauna of Valinor was what you see around yourself. Y'know, normal trees and plants that depended on sunlight for photosynthesis and normal animals that depended on these normal trees.
It does raises the question then how did life evolved in Arda? Or how does creatures survive the cold? And all the other little titbits. Considering the presence of Valar, let's leave it wacky Valar Magic....
Back to headcanon, the flora and fauna of everywhere, except Valinor, was weird as hell. Like carnivorous plant, chemosynthetic plants, symbiotic plants, movable plants and blue leaves, purple fruit, bioluminescent flowers,'what the hell is this? Plant? Animal? Insect' things. Brightly coloured animals, weird physiology, giant worms and centipede, eyeless fish, biolouminescent aquatic creatures in ponds, etc. Kind of a cross between psychedelic and horror.
Also, as the time went on, it all became a myth for Valinor born Elves. The elvish version of 'back in my day, you had yada yada yada to get to the school' thing that your parents or grandparents tells you when you're being obstinate.
(My another headcanon: The majority of elves following Finwions were Valinor born along with those who were nearly babies during the first great journey. But the awakened and old elves were like, 'nope. Not doing it.')
By the time Fingolfin and his intrigue came, the sun was already in the sky so it was a bit easy for them. But Feanorians, bam... they got the faceful of this horror for nearly a year.
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theworldsoftolkein · 4 months
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Her Magic Voice - by Elena Kukanova
"...in that time when the Quendi awoke beside the waters of Cuivienen she departed from Valinor and came to the Hither Lands, and there she filled the silence of Middle-earth before the dawn with her voice and the voices of her birds..."
Melian the Maia illustration for the "Silmarillion" by Tolkien gouache and watercolor on paper,  44x62cm
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eilinelsghost · 6 months
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Then the last at the table, seated beside the king’s place. As with the marchwarden at the fen crossings, Balan felt the weight of years as a tangible presence about her. She was tall, her silver hair drawn back in a single braid between the shoulders, her eyes deep brown, wells of kindness and sorrow. Balan bowed as Nóm introduced her—Meril, besain, an elder of their people and chief among the king’s household. “Goodness go with you, lady,” he said quietly, as awestruck by her presence as he had been to see the king in his splendor. “And wisdom mark your coming and going, aphadon. Bitter the road, but glad is the welcome when children of the One meet in friendship.”
--from Children of the Sun, part 14 of the Atandil series
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Meril my beloved, who both is and is not an OC
I'm going to indulge for a moment and gush about Meril, whose existence came about by accident and who is now one of my favorite characters in the series I'm writing.
She originated in a joking conversation with @actual-bill-potts where we were wondering who was in charge of lembas in Nargothrond at various points. Orodreth's wife or Finduilas presumably, once Tol Sirion fell. But who did it before that? Was there just a lembas lady or something? And how would lembas lady fall in the power structures of the kingdom?
And then Meril just strolled in and sat down on the page.
Her name is one that Tolkien used in a discarded draft where Finrod had a wife in exile with him. So the premise here became: a historian was told she was the besain at Nargothrond and assumed that meant she was the queen.
However, Meril was born beside Cuiviénen, was of Elwë's people, married one of Finwë's people, and later joined the Exile for reasons that will be explained as the series goes on.
She is Finrod's chief counselor and rules Nargothrond when he is away (for example, during the year he spent with the Atani) and I am completely obsessed with her.
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