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corvustion · 2 years

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TT: If you keep talking about how buff and manly you two are, then it's going to get weird.

GC: I

GT: Why so?

GC: G4Y

GC: FRU1TY

GT: WHAT

TT: Terezi gets it.

GT: Nothing wrong with being buff !!

GT: Because i am buff

GT: And not lying

GT: I dont lie

GT: Never ever

TT: Yes, but to the point of saying you're buff all the time proves a point that you're trying to be manly and buff just to impress others. Most likely men, and in which that case, makes you gay.

GT: Are you saying im swooning you?

GT: Is that what youre getting at?

GC: G4YS

TT: No. I’m saying that you’re gay.

GT: Projecting

TT: Not projecting. Just giving you the facts, Jake.

TT: And the fact is that you're gay, and you're trying to impress other guys with your so called "buff manliness".

AC: :33 < dirk do YOU go to the gym?

TT: No.

AC: :33 < THEN QUIT TALKIN WEAKASS!!

AC: :33 < GET FIT OR QUIT IT

TT: Wow, fuck you.

AC: :33 < yeah uh

AC: :33 < I WISH

GT: Hhmm no,,, youre projecting i bet in youre head youre all like "i wanna date jake so badly, hes so buff and manly and i just need him to admit hes gay so we can be gay lovers"

GT: And i go

GT: BLUH I HATE GAY PEOPLE

TT: 😕

GT: 💪

TT: The fact that you're trying to accuse me of something so odd makes it seem like you want Me to come out as gay just so that you can laugh at me. When in reality, you're gay and you're putting on a stupid facade that everyone can see through. You're not going to fool anyone by saying you're homophobic, Jake. We know you're gay, and we won't hate you for it either. The fact that you've stalled long enough, continued to try and prove us wrong Plus tell us you're not gay really says something. It's okay to be gay, Jake. Everyone here in this group chat accepts you and we won't mind if you are, but you calling it off and constantly hating on gays won't get you anywhere and it will only hurt you in the long run.

AC: :33 < hm.................

AC: :33 < mucho texto!!!!!

TT: TL;DR Jake is gay and he won’t admit it.

GT: i uh

GT: Okay listen up, i would one hundred precent would laugh at you if you came out as gay, and im not sure where you got this facade thing, all i am is a cishet male and am defending myself from this constant harassment on calling me a homosexual. though i may not be fully homophobic i do find gay people absolutely repulsing, but i would not unfriend someone if i found out they were homo. i am just not gay! theres not much else to it!! sure sometimes i experiment a little but that is simply out of curiosity, and i hate on gay people because i do truly find them repulsing! i would rather be "hurt in the long run" then start supporting the lives of homos.

TT: Odd how it took you that long to write a response after you said "i uh". Also, still not gay. I'd like to point out that you, in the first place acted gay. It's no wonder you're being called a homosexual (because you are one). I also personally don't see a reason as to WHY you find gay people repulsing and disgusting. What acts do they commit that makes you so bothered by the fact they exist, and why do you think it's any of your business to comment on that if it's not Your life and it's not bothering You in the first place? Or is it the fact that you're just trying to "fit in with the crowd" so to speak? To, in reality, be a gay man that has internalized homophobia and being abused growing up that made you realize the only way to actually be loved is to act like you were straight in the first place. Just because you were hurt and you're gay doesn't mean you can hurt others because of it, English. Like I said, it's okay to be gay. No one here will ever judge you for it. The only reason you're being harassed is because you keep saying you're not gay when you obviously are.

GT: GAH! FINE IM GAY, YOU BROKE ME, IM SO FUCKING GAY I LOVE MEN AND DICK IN MY FUCKING ASS, CAN WE JUST KISS ALREADY?

TT: Yeah.

GT: Slpplspllpsrlpslprlpsrslprsprlsprlsprlpslplplrprlp

GC: :33 < such purrrassionate homorom

#dirkjake #this was based off an OLDDDDD conversation i had with some people #it sat in my drafts for years and i now just remembered it #so..... here #homestuck

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toonbly · 3 years

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Oh please do give us the essay I would LOVE to hear your thoughts.. your Freemind content is like kisses directly to my brain 's all so good.

OKAY SO LIKE. quick tw for discussions about internalized transphobia and internalized homophobia

QUICK CLARIFICATIONS: I’m a queer transmasc nonbinary and some of this is projection. A LOT of this is cherry-picking from and overanalyzing little bits of FM canon.

im gonna put this under a readmore to save yalls dashboards

HERES WHY FREEMINDS NARRATIVE IS 10X MORE INTERESTING IF HE’S QUEER:

So some things to cover: We’re cherry picking from canon and MOST of this is based off of fanon interpretations of freemind’s character. i should also clarify that I myself am asexual and nonbinary transmasc (though i only use they/them pronouns), im not entirely sure of my romantic orientation but yknow, obviously im not cishet lol. Some of it’s self projection, some of it is character study, either way I think it’s important to clarify that some of this is my OWN experience and that what im outlining here obviously isn’t the universal queer experience.

SO COVERING CANON. like okay, most of us tend to go down the route of “Freemind is gay/bi/otherwise queer in terms of attraction and he’s just in denial of it” in our freemanverse content and like, if you pick apart the source material there’s canon backing for this! (ie: Freemind saying he can’t wear earrings cause sailors do that and sailors are “kinda gay”, then later going on and on about how he wants to be a pirate and how he should’ve done that instead of being a scientist.) LIKE OKAY, OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS JUST ROSS MAKING A HOMOPHOBIC JOKE AND PROBABLY DIDN’T THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS AT ALL. obviously that is the case, but as most freemanverse content does we are casually Throwing That Out The Window and cherry-picking from canon because Freeman’s Mind is full of gross content and we are simply here to take whatever we want to and RUN AWAY AS FAR AWAY AS WE CAN WITH IT. What I’m saying is basically, yeah, there’s some canon backing for Freemind possibly being gay/bi/whatever and just in denial of it due to internalized homophobia and some toxic masculinity issues. In terms of toxic masculinity he constantly brags about how cool and tough he is, makes himself out to be an invincible genius, etc. He very much frames himself as the “Tough man who feels no emotions because ReAl MeN dOn’T cRy.”

That’s basically all we need from canon. Accidental subtext on Ross’s part implying internalized homophobia and Freemind’s constant attempts to frame himself as what a “real man” would typically be considered as resulting of toxic masculinity.

Now moving onto fanon: Many fanon narratives take Freemind’s character and try to give him a redemption or healing arc. Basically the guy learns that he’s allowed to show emotions and that this doesn’t make him pathetic or lesser than anyone else, and usually he does so with the help of those around him (typically the other Freemen, sometimes Eddie, hell sometimes h/lvrai characters like Tommy!) So here we have the narrative of “A man struggling with toxic masculinity and self worth issues learns to better himself, he lets others in and starts to be true to who he actually is strengthening both himself and the connections with the people he loves.” This is an arc I love and have incorporated into a LOT of my works involving Freemind! Hell I think it’s difficult not to take his character into that direction.

But, okay, what does this have to do with Freemind being queer? Obviously I’ve mentioned the internalized homophobia subtext and all that but up until now it seems like I’ve only really mentioned the more emotion-based aspects of Freemind’s arc. Well this is where we get into my own personal interpretation of Freemind’s story.

My version of Freemind is a gay trans man, he realized he was trans sometime in his teens but only came out and transitioned sometime during college. In my version of the story, I think Freemind grew up around a kind of rough crowd. He’d hang out with those sort of boys at school that were just the EMBODIMENT of toxic masculinity, and I think he kind of internalized a lot of what they told him? They told him things like “Boys don’t cry” and “Boys are tough” and “Boys can’t like girly things” and “Boys can’t like other boys, that’s weird.” etc etc etc. He hung out with a rough crowd and didn’t have the best support system at home, and a lot of this resulted in his more egotistical larger than life personality- He acted out a lot both because his peers told him to and because hey, at least it got him some form of attention. He was a smart kid, sure, but that was never really enough to impress anyone around him. He kinda developed this “I’m better than ALL OF YOU” attitude as a defense mechanism, and as he started coming into himself and actually accepting that he was trans he took those things that his peers told him “””real men””” do and don’t do and cranked it up tenfold, just to further prove that he was better than all of them and than he was even more of a “””real man””” than any of them could tell him. He took these toxic view points and internalized them, making them a key point of his personality just so he could prove himself and put himself above others. I don’t think he struggled too badly with internalized transphobia, at least in the “I can’t be trans cause that’d be bad” sense. I think he struggled with it more in the “I have to do all of this or I’m just lying to myself and doing this for attention” sense. Granted, he never held anyone else to this same standard, he’ll never admit it but to him things are always different when it’s him. Sure Freeman and Feetman can have their little boyfriends and do gender nonconforming things, but that’s different, they don’t have to prove themselves for anything, they’re not held on the same pedestal as he is, they’re not Gordon Freemind. It’s different whenever it’s him.

BUT, as he begins to grow and learn and not hold himself to such a high standard, Freemind begins to learn that all of these things aren’t true. He learns that showing emotion, being gender nonconforming, being attracted to men, etc. doesn’t make him any lesser than the others around him and there’s no “different standard” for him JUST BECAUSE it’s him. Hell there’s no different standard for him at all, there never has been, and the people who told him otherwise were just toxic assholes who he shouldn’t have to please in order to exist as himself. As he is, he’s good enough, he’s always been good enough, and allowing himself to be vulnerable and accepting who he is doesn’t make him lesser than those around him.

What I’m saying is this: Freemind’s narrative outlines the journey of a man learning vulnerability and learning to accept himself and allow others into his life. His character arc cannot be complete until he does these things, and in certain stories Freemind’s inability to be vulnerable and accept who he is might become a detriment to his goals and the goals of others around him. If he doesn’t learn to accept himself and open up to others he will fail to achieve his goals. Ultimately it is Freemind allowing himself to open up, accept himself, and be vulnerable that saves the day. Alone, this is already narratively interesting, but if you also mix in the ideas of him being queer in any fashion and learning to accept that and that there’s no “right way” to be himself, it adds a LOT of layers to the narrative. It becomes less a story about some dudebro learning that he’s allowed to feel emotion and more a story about a queer man learning to accept who he is, being proud of who he is, and how allowing himself to be vulnerable contributes to this acceptance. It becomes a narrative about how being open with yourself and others can lead to you discovering who you really are and accepting and loving yourself for it. Freemind’s identity as a queer man becomes DIRECTLY TIED into his character arc of learning vulnerability and allowing himself to make connections and I feel like that’s really important! Sure, not every narrative needs to be about a queer struggle and frankly I don’t like tackling it constantly myself, but Freemind’s story in particular becomes much more interesting under a queer lens especially considering how you could very easily tie the discovery and acceptance of his identity into his general character arc. It’s a story about a queer man learning to love himself and becoming a happier, better person for it.

TL;DR: As a queer transmasc nonbinary myself, I find the idea of Freemind’s narrative being queer incredibly interesting. It’s easy to tie in Freemind’s identity to his character arc of becoming more vulnerable and open about both who he truly is as a person and in an emotional sense, and I think it’s really interesting to make a character’s identity relevant to their arc somehow. Granted, this doesn’t always need to be made the case because queer struggle narratives can get tiring on some queer audiences, but in this specific case I think it’d be an interesting character study.

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ambiguousdisorderken · 3 years

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Okay re ur post abt feeling guilty and specifically not being the cishet daughter they think u are…I’m also latino and at this point my identity is transmasc bi/kind of gay but I’m not out. Even though my mom probably knows/ thinks I’m not straight I don’t think she expects me to not be cis despite loads of evidence from my childhood and now. I’ve been struggling eith not seeing myself as the “emotional support daughter” for my mom/family and it makes me hesitate to move out even tho it’s actually happening in a few months for school. I also like, straight up can not imagine coming out as trans like it terrifies me even tho it’s getting to the point where my dysphoria is starting to cause issues and the ways I want to transition are not things I can really hide. Even more so I cannot imagine my extended latino family knowing my gender identity. I want to go no contact because of this fear even tho nothing really warrants that….anyway sorry for a whole story in ur ask u don’t have to answer I just thought maybe You’d want to know u aren’t alone esp with regard to being seen as an hija and shit

thank you for sharing that, i truly appreciate it. i think my family suspects sometimes, but they don't say anything because i'm well past my teenage years and i didn't give any obvious 'signs' (granted i was an anxious and depressed mess due to body issues that wouldn't really be qualified as dysphoria but did make a number on my gender), so there's a sense of "safety" for them. it's also difficult because i'm not a social person, i barely go out, have little to no close friends, very scarce romantic experiences, no irl people to talk about sexuality&gender with, and i basically just hang out with my family (cats included). if i sound lame, it's because i am.

i'm still very much in the questioning stage, figuring stuff out, so my brain goes, it's not for sure yet, why even think of telling them, but it's such a big part of who i am and influences my every interest, so keeping it to myself i feel is sorta washing out my personality. and the hija thing makes me uncomfy. atm i think im nb, and i'm okayish with female pronouns (it's more difficult to go gender neutral in spanish and inclusive language gets mocked at where I'm from so i try to avoid constructing phrases that include pronouns or gendered adjectives - tough shit), but being specifically referred to as a woman/girl/daughter feels.. wrong. off. ehhh. hm, no. at least im the younger sibling who was the 'son they didn't have', since i would always be helping out my dad when i was little. it's such an alien concept to them that i bet it's never crossed their minds, or the sexuality thing.

my plan is moving to a country where queer rights are actually a thing (home country, please level up) and coming out to my fam at the last minute lol. that way we'll be far away, they can process it at their own pace, i get some peace, and if things go badly at least we won't be geographically forced to interact. i have to wait a couple years for that though, and get lucky as fuck because, yeah, higher education abroad. hello. crying in financial limitations.

anyway. i trust our plans will work out<3

#god tumblr deleted my two paragraphs #anyway i always feel like an impostor when talking about myself.#me to myself 'who are YOU to talk about gender or sexuality'. see that's something that happens only on my tv #whoa that's neat but not for me. jared19 situation. it's so dumb #this got so long sorry #answered #personal #final disclaimer :but what if im NOT. well it'd still be nice to know they supported me through it. brain:youre doing this for attention.#me at my brain its 2am on a friday night and im posting queer insecurities on tumblr dot com.#this is literally the last place one would seek attention in.#i hope my sister never logs back in on her tumblr #perceive me not folks. except anon.

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defendglobe · 7 years

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today was really awful and im sorry to whine but i have no one else to tell so

alrighty so like. my school has this gay straight alliance group. or rather a group for gay students and a separate group for activism. its absolutely miniscule atm. like literally there are three of us gays in this hellhole.

since the older members left at the end of last year, myself and another guy got kinda forced into running it because there’s no one else and the school wants it to be student led.

which i mean. yeah thats fair. its safer for the students if the profs and others dont know who is there and all that. but on the other hand like. they give us no support and no budget so when people graduate it falls apart and forces responsibility on kids who have far too much to deal with already. to me, it feels like a copout. like OHHH THIS IS STUDENT LED IT’S NOT US DOING THAT GAY SHIT you feel me??

anyway so today we had a planning meeting for the activism group thing and let me fucking tell you. it was. B A D. it was me and that one guy as well as four staff members who are helping us with the activism part.

in one of the gay student group meetings the three of us talked about having our school’s gsa represented in the city pride parade next summer because apparently like every fucking university in the city does that. we were all super excited about that idea so we brought it up to the staff.

IMMEDIATELY the one guy goes oh NO NO NO WE ARE NOT GONNA DO THAT NO WAY ABSOLUTELY NOT. his reasoning? the school isn’t ready for something like that.

“not ready” my fucking ass hole!! its infuriating. the lgbt population of my school BADLY wants this to happen but we get shut down because the straight majority isn’t ready to handle it. why the fuck should the majority get to decide whether or not the community is ready to talk about minority issues?? they shouldn’t, obviously!!! it’s just further silencing us.

on a similar note my boss (both his kids are lgbt so he really gets this shit), the other kid, and me came up with an idea to do like a chapel talk where the one kid could talk about his story (and i volunteered to talk as well posing as an “ally”). my boss was super into it. that one got shut down too and you know why?? the one guy was worried that the campus minister guy would get backlash.

THAT’S who you’re worried about???? one of your students is going to put his whole fucking life out in the open in front of a potentially hostile audience and you’re worried about the MINISTRY COORDINATOR GUY??? A STRAIGHT WHITE CIS MALE????? UGHHHHHH!!!!!!!

another staff member in the meeting is working on an event for lgbt alumni at my school and he wants it to be “a story of hope” showing the progress my school has made. BULL FUCKING SHIT MORE LIKE A STORY OF JACKING OURSELVES OFF OVER THE MEDIOCRE FUCKING PROGRESS OUR SCHOOL HAS MADE SELF CONGRATULATORY FOR NO REASON.

one thing was clear with this meeting. this piece of shit school cares more about their reputation among wealthy conservative families to do the fucking right thing. but they talk a lot of shit about being welcoming and inclusive but its all fucking bullshit. they do fuck all to help us. leave us to fend for ourselves and shut down any fucking ideas we have out of worry about the school’s image. its performative allyship in the extreme. they dont give a rats ass about the students who are suffering in this unending homophobic and transphobic hell. they just want to look good.

to make matters worse??? one of the people in that group who shut us down like that?? hes like a super close family friend. basically surrogate family for us since our biological family is so far away and we can never visit them. even to someone like that who has known me since i was ten years old, im not fucking worth fighting for. i feel so goddamn betrayed lol!!!!!!!

the one fucking staff member in that group who is actually legit gay hardly get to speak because of these cishet males waving their dicks around like OOH LOOK AT US WE’RE SO INCLUSIVE while doing nothing of substance. my boss hardly spoke either bc hes generally a quiet dude. just these two other guys taking over the conversation completely.

but honestly the worst fucking thing of all of this?? my boss is leaving for a few months for some other library that had an urgent need for help or something. im so goddamn scared of this i dont even know what to do. hes the only fucking person with a godforsaken LGBT FRIENDLY SPACE!!! rainbow sticker on his door that would have any idea how to fucking deal with a gay kid in a crisis. i cant talk to anyone else because they all turn it into a fucking abstract academic circle jerk and forget that there are ACTUAL GAY STUDENTS AT THIS PLACE WHO ARE DESPERATELY LONELY AND WAITING FOR YOU TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP. he was the only one in that group actually PLANNING to do anything concrete so i can guarantee any movement is going to stop completely and i dont know if i can fucking endure it!!!

honestly?? i should not exist. all i am is a problem that other people have to fucking deal with. no one is willing to fucking help me. why should they??? im fucking useless. i dont do anything, i have no motivation, no talent, no friends, no future. i dont fucking belong in this world honestly!! im a fucking disgusting freak who fucking fell back into self harm again for the first time in a few months and im so fucking angry at myself. what the hell is wrong with me. why cant i be normal. haha! i dont deserve happiness! im fucking incapable of happiness! because i had to be born as this USELESS UGLY GROSS PIECE OF SHIT WHO DOES NOTHING BUT WEIGH EVERYONE DOWN AND CAUSE PROBLEMS LOL.

if there was a fail safe way for me to die instantly i can guarantee you i’d take it. fear of failure (the humilation of not even being able to fucking kill myself right lol) is the only thing holding me back. im at the end of my fucking rope. i have no one and nothing and nothing to lose.

#negative //

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royalrastafariannaynays · 7 years

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i’m a dirty rotten ace inclusionist, and here’s why

so against my better judgement and some advice from friends, ive decided to make a post about ace discourse

because it just kinda... hurts to see shit about it every day. and i feel like a broken record saying that, but it hurts.

if youre reading this, and youre an exclusionist, please read the entire thing and don’t come storming into my inbox to tell me hurtful shit because odds are, ive seen it already and im sure im not gonna cover everything, just some of the stuff ive seen today

So, me. ill tell my story even tho no one asked for it, because unfortunately on this website people demand proof of person in order to give someone validity or some shit. im asexual. and i stick to that, because i don’t really experience attraction or arousal at all. that changes sometimes, but rarely. im genitals-repulsed as well. but i am still intimate with my partner sometimes, and sometimes i force the candle to light, because idk i get bored.

but when i figured out i was ace, i was texting my best friend. and he suggested it, and immediately i felt broken and wrong thinking about the fact that i could be ace. I had to be convinced that it was okay. that’s something that non-ace people dont seem to get. not feeling sexual, or sexual about other, real people, can make you feel broken. it makes me feel like shit, and i have some dysfunction with partners as well. i have trauma in my past, but im convinced that doesn’t have too much to do with it. And maybe it’s a temporary thing, and ill change in the future. But that doesn’t change the fact that it makes me feel like less of a human being when i think about it. and i have no doubt that the idea has crossed other ace peoples’ minds before. “am i broken?” i ask my girlfriend that question so much. because my body doesnt do this thing that both science and the modern media and society tell me that it should do, and should do very easily. my FAMILY tells me its weird and ill be fine. my FRIENDS don’t get it. my mother thinks it’s horseshit. and there’s another thing.

i kinda feel like, if someone is gonna go excluding ace people and shoving them out, will i be shoved out for being closeted, or straight-passing when im not with my girlfriend, as well? it’s a legitimate fear and it feels really bad. and then, can you imagine how it feels having a portion of my identity actively shat on by this website? every fucking day of this month? the pride month?

another thing that non-ace people dont seem to understand or consider, either, is the dysphoria that ace people experience. ace people frequently hate their bodies, feel like they don’t belong in them, or feel separated from normalcy by what they are.

it’s not a “whose suffering is worse” game, though we can still understand that people face greater harm and trials in their life by being different parts of lgbt, and allow people who suffer less, like say people who are closeted, bi or pan people who are “straight passing” dating the opposite gender, etc, to be a part of it. in my experience, lgbt+ is about acceptance and love, and ill stick to that. yes it’s possible to recognize that say, a trans woman would suffer more than a cishet ace. but that doesnt mean that one should be less allowed to be a part than another.

“ace people aren’t oppressed” well no maybe not to the degree that the typical lgbt person is, but around the world people are forced into obligatory sexual situations they may or may not want, and if they refuse or cannot perform, they can be labeled as broken, thrown out of their home, or r*ped. there is social pressure from the intensely sexual modern media; there is social pressure from society and family; there is social pressure from significant others and partners to perform, and then, especially for women, there is pressure to accept things, and there is pressure to perform sexually in order to have a happy life; IE: having children, families, satisfied partners, and so on. no, these aren’t as significant outwardly as “getting stabbed to death for existing” ((which yeah, does happen, but is an extreme example that someone i know loves to use to win arguments by playing the manipulative “of course this means you care less about the human lives of gay men than the thing you’re arguing for” card. im not saying that situations are equal here, jesus, im saying that oppression exists in many forms)). and, for a society where sex is a function that bodies easily perform, it seems easy enough to go along with things. But for some people, bodies either do not or will not perform. or there is repulsion, or other things and i lost my train of thought. got distracted, my apologies

ace people might be cishet, yeah, but that doesnt mean they belong any less in my opinion. no, i dont think they should be able to call themself qu**r, thats stupid. they aren’t allowed to reclaim any slurs that dont belong to them. that’s also really fucking stupid. and im sorry, but no decent person will try to do that. and why not let them come to the club, okay? they still face problems. like i say maybe fifty billion times in this post, yes, they don’t face the same problems, but they still have them.

“start your own community” where? how? if you can give me a legitimate answer on this without frothing at the mouth, please do. But i have no idea how ace people are going to go into starting a community without being ridiculed, shoved aside and stuff. i have no idea how they are all going to bond and meet over a lot of different pipelines of communication, like the ones in communities they are already a part of. shoving people out, putting a stake in the middle of the cracks in the floor, it does nothing to strengthen our community.

“well this person treated me badly” yes and that exists everywhere on this hellsite. I’ve seen a lot of shit, im sure you have too/

the split attraction model, in my opinion, is useful. but mainly for ace people, or aro people, to make describing themself easier in a shorthand. that’s what the model is best for. and if you come into my inbox and say stuff about how “someone forced the split attraction model on me” that was an individual person and does not lend to the usefulness of the model. and then if you come into my inbox with something about “the split attraction model harms people who arent ace and lets people deny their sexuality”. it is a tool. no one forced you to use it. im certainly not saying everyone should use it. in fact, maybe a lot of the people who do use it, should not. but i like the split attraction model, especially for myself. because i can easily identify and people know what im talking about. that simple.

okay, that’s all i wanted to say. i wish i had a concrete conclusion but i am just. really tired. i need to unfollow some people. i just wanted to get it off my chest, and say my peace in a place i can find it. again, sorry for my mobile people

#sorry to people on mobile #long post #hopefully this wont pop up on mobile #:l #ace discourse #minor tmi putting that tag to be safe

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