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severepink · 2 months

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Understanding Death in Hazbin Hotel

There seems to be a lot of misconceptions around what exactly angelic weapons do and how death works in the Hazbin Hotel universe. I want to explain my thoughts on this with everyone using the information that we know.

We first need to look at what species we know that exist in the Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss universe. Because this is where I believe most of the confusion around death in the show comes from.

As of right now we have three different types of beings.

Angels, Humans, and Hellborns. Angels live in the realms they created or helped to create (god hasn't been mentioned much in the shows at all outside of a few 'oh gods'). They existed before Humans and Hellborns. Angels can fall and become powerful beings in hell.

Humans were created by angels. Originally three were created and they had different purposes before Eve ate the Apple and they were intended to be immortal (by biblical story telling). They exist on Earth. When they die, they are sorted into being angelic type beings or sinful beings, their souls are sent to either Heaven or Hell.

Hellborns were creatures born in hell. We do not know their full range of their lore of how they were created, but the speculation so far is that Lilith likely birthed at least some of them or they were created by the Seven Deadly Sins. Either way, they are mortal to one another unless they are the Ars Goetia. Humans are very different from Angels or Hellborns. They are born on Earth and the content of their souls and their actions are judged by an unknown source (as of right now). When they are judged, they are sent to either Heaven or Hell. Adam is not an Angel in the same way that Sera or Emily are angels. He was a human soul who got sent to heaven. He is a human soul that has been imbued with more angelic/divine soul than others we've seen so far. This is an important thing to remember. People seem to think that when anything is killed with an angelic weapon that it just disintegrates a soul entirely when that's not how it works. Sinners are confined to the Pride Ring of hell and are not allowed within the realms of the Hellborn because hell is over-populated and must be cleansed, only because Sinners can not kill one another in a traditional way, unlike the Hellborn who can do it naturally themselves without the need for angelic weapons. Hellborn entities can kill one another just fine unless they are of the Ars Goetia. This is telling me that they have unique properties unlike the other Hellborn. My guess is they were created by the Seven Deadly Sins amongst one another, so while they are technically hellborn, they likely have those residual angelic energies from their creators making them less capable of dying by an attack. However, we can see that they do age and likely do die of old age, as there is a generational component. The Seven Deadly sins have always been other angels that were cast down alongside Lucifer, meaning they used to be Angels in the same vein that Sera and Emily are angels. Hellborn entities like Imps or Hellhounds can grow old and die within hell. When they die, they become one with the energy of Hell. Vivziepop has expressed this before. If a Sinner is killed and has not made an honest effort to repent, they find the same fate and their energy is imbued into hell itself. It's why there are eyes, mouths, seemingly sentient flora and fauna in hell. Hell itself is like a living creature that feeds and regurgitates in an endless cycle for the hellborn. Angelic weapons really seem to be confusing people too, because you're assuming that Adam's blast of energy to Sir Pentious is not the same as the weapons, when it more than likely is. Angelic weapons have to be created with the same kind of energy blast as Adam has shown. He's unique in that he's the only human soul shown so far who can do this. He could have been an angelic weapon himself. Lute and the other exorcists were likely humans themselves. That is why they can be killed the same way that Sinners can be killed. They are human souls, they are being killed and subsequently rejudged by whatever entity (god probably) is doing the judging. Heaven probably has its own systems of life and death for it's naturally born denizens. Remember this billboard in Welcome to Heaven?

This is an old lady. More than likely a naturally born Denizen of Heaven. Everyone in heaven is supposed to be hot and healthy, right? It's probably just the human souls. This could also just be a gag, but I think Hell and Heaven are more or less inversions, especially considering the Cherubs are an inversion of imps.

What's interesting is in the episode with the Cherubs, they're refused re-entry to heaven because their actions resulted in the death of a human, a human that goes to hell, a human they were trying to keep from killing himself and find beauty in nature and love. Sera talks about they have their own souls to protect as well. Human souls are unique in some form or fashion that means their deaths are different from what Angels or Hellborns experience. They have the capability of immortality within heaven or hell, just like they would have had on Earth if Eve didn't eat the apple. That's why Sir Pentious is in heaven instead of being dead despite an angelic blast. That's why we'll likely see Adam return as a demon. Human souls are important to the being giving judgement, they are more or less immortal for some reason unless divine intervention is at play. When humans make deals with one another in hell, they gain more power. They bargain with their souls. Souls are power. Humans are naturally generating sources of souls. I believe, eventually, the show will dip its toes into concepts like reincarnation outside of shifting between heaven or hell. If it doesn't, then it's more than likely going to be how Heaven and Hell are in a constant state of trying to collect as many souls as possible for the power that they infuse into each respective dimension. Lilith gained more and more power with the more souls sent into hell. Heaven fights those souls with the exorcists who are also more than likely human souls. That's my speculation anyways!

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel theory #spoilers #hazbin hotel spoilers #cartoon theory

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lilacslug · 8 months

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Hello, this is essentially my unfiltered, nonlinear thought process when trying to answer the question: Why is Prismo alerted when Cake leaves Simon's head? There are quite a few tangents, but typing this all out helped me understand the Adventure Time world greatly, and deleting parts of it after hours of research would make me too sad. I hope it can be helpful and interesting to other people as well. Warning: it is quite long.

THE BEAM

What sparked this entire post was when I saw someone comment on the fact that in season 9 episode 12 Fionna and Cake and Fionna, it’s shown that Ice King didn’t naturally come up with the concept of Fionna and Cake. Their adventures are beamed into his head while he’s asleep. While we have no idea what the beam is and if anyone is behind it or not, it does have a few implications for the new series.

The first thing that came to me was the idea that a version (the original version) of Fionna and Cake DO exist in their own dimension in the multiverse. There’s no reason not to assume this.

Now, what if The Crown acts as a sort of antenna and can receive multidimensional-signals due to its structure. The center gem of the crown (the one that also supplies the wearer with magical powers) is one of the 9 gems used to power the enchiridion. As we all know, the enchiridion has the power to create wormholes between dimensions. Perhaps this connection with the Enchiridion gives it this innate ability. (and, if I remember correctly, that would’ve been its original use, before becoming a monster’s eye and then part of the crown)

If this were true, what would that mean for OUR Fionna and Cake? Are they true real beings with their own dimension? Or are they in some sort of pocket dimension? Our Fionna and Cake are clearly different characters than Fionna and Cake prime. Their world exists entirely inside of Simon’s mind. In Adventure Time, There are these spaces called Imagination Zones. Typically, Imagination Zones act as spaces only 1 person can access, and the zone is a manifestation of their psyche. If they were to imagine say, a giant fish with wings, it would appear in this zone. If Fionna and Cake are anywhere, it seems very safe to assume they live somewhere in Simon's Imagination Zone.

THE IMAGINATION ZONE

To get to the bottom of whether or not Imagination Zones, and thus Fionna and Cake's world, exist as a fully fledged dimension, we need to analyze Cake’s crossing over.

Simon, when trying to contact Golbetty (as I’ll be referring to this being from now on) used multiple powerful artifacts to do so, the most notable one being the enchiridion. This would suggest a creation of a wormhole was required to allow Golbetty to enter this world, or for Simon to enter Golbetty’s space. But, perhaps due to the the ritual being cut short, the hole created opened a momentary wormhole between the Fionna and Cake world and Simon’s (the Earth Dimension, which is the dimension Ooo is located in. Most of the show takes place in this dimension). Notice how when she crosses over, its through Simon’s head. While this is to be expected of a being that exists in another being’s mind, it also reminiscent of other spaces in the adventure time world. Notably: Lumpy Space.

Now, Lumpy Space are clearly very connected to the Earth Dimension. Lps travels to Ooo all the time, and while bringing outsiders into Lumpy Space is looked down upon, it’s not physically impossible, as we’ve seen in season one episode two, Trouble in Lumpy Space. Clearly, it is not uncommon for different dimensions to sync frequencies and connect (explained later in this post)

While a bit of a tangent, I believe its worth noting that these dimensions tend to be less complex and/or expansive than Ooo. Lumpy Space being comprised mainly of the anti element “Lump” the Crystal Dimension (the dimension Lady Rainicorn is from) of crystal, and the Pillow World of pillow, illustrates this. Lumpy Space also doesn’t have a proper ground, and is multiple clouds of lumps collected together.

With Lumpy Space, there is an actual living being (a frog) that acts as a bridge between the dimension and the prime universe. So, Simon becoming a bridge between his Imagination Zone and the prime universe isn’t that far fetched.

If we analyze other Imagination Zones, something interesting emerges. While they typically do not sync with Ooo and allow for cross over, there are some exceptions. For example, in season 1 episode 23 Rainy Day Daydream Finn is able to experience a knife storm, lava, and more from Jake's Imagination Zone. While Finn was unable to see any of it, he could feel them, suggesting there was some sort of connection. However, there was something limiting the amount of contact possible. This could be explained by the frequencies between the main dimension in Jake's Imagination Zone and the Earth Dimension not fully syncing.

THE SYNCING OF DIMENSIONS

Here is an exert from the Adventure Time Chronology

The physics behind the concept of the Multiverse is somewhat explained in chapter four of the Wizards' Enchiridion, albeit in a very hand-wavy pseudo-scientific way. To prevent all of the dimensions from catastrophically colliding with one another, all particles in a specific dimension have their own unique "frequency". Particles with different frequencies reside in different dimensions. Adjusting this frequency allows for interdimensional travel.

So, perhaps Jake's Imagination Zone's frequency was approaching Ooo's, but they did not quite match.

But here’s where things get a little hairy: if Fionna and Cake are merely from just another dimension, why then, is Prismo alerted to Cake’s arrival to Ooo when its clearly established that interdimensional travel (under normal circumstances) isn't something to be worried about. I have a few theories

THEORY ONE

The original Fionna and Cake's dimension was destroyed (presumedly by Golb). Perhaps the beam of light that Ice King was receiving was somehow transporting the living beings that existed in that dimension into Ice King's mostly vacant Imagination Zone. The beam of light from Fionna and Cake and Fionna was red. This color is associated with both Golb and Grob Gob Glob Grod, two powerful cosmic entities, perhaps suggesting the beam of light was coming from one of them or a related being. We see in the trailer an unnamed red being that looks similar to both of them who's job it is to get rid of Fionna and Cake. Perhaps there is a group of powerful beings who follow these similar motifs in design. Maybe this mysterious being works under Golb, and is seeking to finish the job. He could be a "Scholar of Golb" something the Lich refers to himself as in Season 9 Episode 13 (although he claims he is the last Scholar of Golb). This is the weaker theory in my opinion.

THEORY TWO

Imagination Zones are not merely other dimensions. I believe they can be thought of as smaller, weaker, multiverses. Why do I believe that?

Firstly, it is canon that the prime multiverse takes place in the dreams of the primordials. I personally do not find it much of a stretch to imagine that if multiverse=dream, then a dream that takes place within this dream would=a smaller, weaker multiverse.

Secondly, we have already seen Ice King/Simon's Imagination Zone. We didn't see the entire society of Fionna and Cake that we saw this series. This actually isn't the first time we've seen an entire different dimension existing within someone's Imagination Zone. May I direct you to the season 5 episode 16 Puhoy.

PILLOW WORLD

Puhoy is an episode that is very open to interpretation. As a little refresher: When Finn got dumped by Flame Princess, he got very sad and essentially buried himself deeper and deeper into a pillow fort he created. He eventually found a one way door that lead to a Pillow World. Time in Pillow World went by much faster than it does in Ooo. In a few minutes Ooo time, Finn had spent an entire lifetime in Pillow World. He died of old age, and passed by Golb on his way back to the Earth dimension. Two prevailing interpretations are that 1. Pillow World is a dimension that Finn's frequency briefly synced up with and was able to cross into. 2. Pillow World was a dream. Theory 1 is most prevalent now due to the aforementioned run in with Golb. Theory 2 is also plausible as it explains the time dilation. Finn experienced all of this after being very sad and burying himself in pillows and blankets.

What makes the episode so controversial is the fact that Finn dies on screen in Pillow World and wakes up in the Earth Dimension fine, forgetting everything he had just experienced. I've seen some people suggest that perhaps Finn traded Golb his memory of the Pillow World for his life back in Ooo, but we do not see any evidence of this in the show.

I am going to suggest this alternate theory: Pillow World is/was a dimension in Finn's imagination zone (perhaps created via dreaming). As he was just in an Imagination Zone, his physical body still existed in the Earth Dimension the entire time. So when he "died" in the Imagination Zone, his soul/projection/etc could still be returned to his physical body. And due to the nature of his death being of old age, he would not die. As to why he cannot remember Pillow World for more than a mere second, when he passes through the space between the physical and metaphysical (where Golb resides) Golb heads towards where he came from to destroy that dimension, as Golb does.

IN CONCLUSION

How does this support the idea that Imagination Zones act as small multiverses? Well, we've already seen a dimension in Finn's Imagination Zone in Rainy Day Daydream. It is reminiscent of what we've seen from Ice King and Jake's. If Pillow World truly was another dimension within Finn's Imagination Zone, that is two examples of Imagination Zones with multiple dimensions.

IN FACT, the multiverse takes place in the dreams of the primordials, so perhaps every single character's Imagination Zone is a dimension within a larger multiverse.

What does this mean for the question at hand? Well, to put it simply: perhaps interdimensional travel is not concerning, but intermultiversal travel is for unknown reasons.

THEORY 2.5

Perhaps Imagination Zones are not separate multiverses, but their own unique space. In that case, travel out of an Imagination Zone could potentially be dangerous just by definition.

Well, thank you so much for reading. I would love to hear others thoughts and have a discussion on these topics :)

#adventure time #fionna and cake #adventure time theory #fionna and cake theory #adventure time analysis #fionna and cake analysis #fionna campbell #simon petrikov #cartoon theory #cartoon analysis #spoilers

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alpacasandwine · 2 years

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I have a theory about how Magic works in The Owl House!

So, we know that for witches, magic comes from their vile sacks, but the Boiling isles have their own magic that can be canalized with Glyphs, the Human realm either has no magic or an abismally low quantity of magic, since Luz's glyphs have only enough magic to consume themselves like when they are used normally.

But why do Witches and Demons have magic of their own? We saw Lilith using magic normally in the Human realm, so she must have brought her own magic with her.

Well, I propose that magic has a cycle, like how water does. Magic is "grown" or created by the Boiling isles, Witches consume and eat food grown by this enviroment, so the magic from the isles gets digested and stored in the vile sack. When a witch casts a spell, that magic used is "broken" and absorbed by the enviroment, which then passes to the food and so on

If I had to give a guess as to why magic exists, I'd say it may be a result of the way the Titan's body decomposes, perhaps since their own blood has magic power, Magic is the equivalent of the energy or nutrients that carry the cells of the Titan's bodies, and when they die, their cells break down, the same way in the real world bodies are decomposed by microbes so the nutrients can be passed to the dirt and to the plants so the energy keeps flowing

#the owl house #the owl lady #the owl post #toh spoilers #toh luz #the owl house spoilers #owl house #the owl house theory #toh theory #toh speculation #toh season 2 #toh season one #theory #cartoon theory #disney theory #dana terrace

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friendrat · 2 years

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Ok Tumblr, I'm in a debate right now about The Sea Beast.

A bunch of people are saying that it doesn't make sense how the royalty of the kingdom is making money of of the hunting industry, but I thought it was kinda obvious how it worked? I think it's twofold.

First, they are clearing trade routes. That opens up the doors to more foreign trade. Some people are arguing"well that benefits other kingdoms too". Which is true, but doesn't prove that they aren't getting rich from it. 🙄 History people. Open trade routes leads to wealthier kingdoms and better lives for the common people.

Second, I think the next logical assumption is that they are making money off of the sea beast horns. Yes, they tell the hunters to bring them back as proof of their kills, but what really happens to them afterwards? You can't tell me all of them end up in their museum/private collection. Not given the number that the hunters brought back from a single voyage. Also, look at how many real world species have been hunted to extinction over horns, tusks, and pelts. Add that to the time period meaning that they had inferior medical knowledge as well as more superstition (which is also seen in the movie, so I'm not just guessing based on the time period), we have a recipe for those horns to be used for any number of things including medicine and magical totems.

So there we have it. An exclusive resource (we don't hear of any other kingdoms being built up by hunters, although I could be wrong there... but we do know that they have the *best* hunters, which means they still would have the best supply), and clear routes to trade that resource (among other things). That's how the kingdom got rich on the blood of sea beasts. Am I off my rocker? Maybe. I just took the unanswered question in the movie and applied what I know about the real world to it. It made sense to me.

Any other theories? Am I wrong?

#the sea beast #movie theory #theory #sea beast theory #cartoon theory

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doofsimp · 1 year

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1st picture: Farmer's couple in Hamster & Gretel. 2nd picture: Farmer's couple in Phineas and Ferb. Hamster and Gretel seems to take place in the future of pnf and mml timeline.

#theory #phineas and ferb theory #pnf #phineas and ferb #dwampyverse #mml #milo murphy's law #Hamster & Gretel #HnG #HaG #H&G #cartoon theory

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thicc-astronaut · 2 years

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Hey if the toys in Toy Story come out of the box with the knowledge to make them believe that they truly are whatever character they represent, then I wonder how that would go for a toy of a character like Raggedy Anne where part of the toy lore is that she is a toy

Like the Raggedy Anne is aware that she’s a toy and the other toys are like “okay cool we don’t gotta worry about this she already knows” but then she starts asking about where Andy is, or why the child she belongs to isn’t Marcella, or some other things like that, and eventually she finds a Raggedy Ann book on the kid’s bookshelf and comes to the horrifying realization that she is based on a fictional version of herself

#toy story #pixar #raggedy ann and andy #raggedy ann #cartoon theory

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silent-deydreamer23 · 10 months

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Nostalgia for A Cartoon Theory #1

I felt nostalgia so I watch one of those top 10 craziest cartoon theories and got reminded of this one. I.e. professor utonium and samurai jack being the same person through time shenanigans. I did a drawing of the girls based on this concept.

In this AU jack is approached by this old sorcerer who claims they have a way to defeat who using his own essence against him in the form of a super serum labed something like the "Elixir X". And then this person like tasks him with collecting all these items (the whole sugar spice everything nice). Basically making Jack do the heavy lifting in the process then-BOOM!!

"the three perfect little girls!!"

Nothing like what he was expecting at all. Turns out the sorcerer was the evil High priestess of Aku the whole time ( Ashi's mom). The Powerpuff girls would be Aku's daughters made by Jack's hand. Long story short Jack defeat her and takes the girls to raise them as his own. And they would join him in his fight against Aku filling in that place of student mentor and daughter father figure. I tried to based the girls design on onna-bugeisha(term for female samurai) attire. They came out in a rough sketch that could be better.

#Cartoon theory #cartoon theories #power puff girls #samurai jack #professor utonium #aku samurai jack #Aku's daughters samurai jack #ppg fanart #samurai jack fanart #I had a lot of fun with this #It was really interesting to read some stories of these badass women #One reference was Nakano Takeko #Can't recommend enough

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suburbanweeb · 2 years

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Tide v Time

TOH Spoilers?? (Not really, but I talk about TOH Season 2 episode titles)

Ok, so as I’ve seen a few people point out, the first and last episode of TOH season 2 have the word “tide” in them. Episode 1 being “Separate Tides” and the last being “King’s Tide.”

The word “tide” was always a little confusing to me because other than the story taking place on isles and being surround by an ocean of boiling water. So, I got to googling and found that the word “tide” has very similar origins to the word “time.” Here is what I managed to find on that:

“...our word for ‘time’ goes back to an ancient Indo-European form used about six thousand (6000) years ago: ‘dai-’. By the time people were speaking Germanic, about two thousand years ago, ‘dai-’ was being used in two Germanic words: ‘tídiz’ (meaning "a division of time", and ‘tímon’ (meaning something like ‘an appropriate time [at which to do something]’).” (https://hea-www.harvard.edu/ECT/Words/index.html#time This is the website I got the information from.)

In context of TOH, if you replace the word “tide” with “time,” you get a different interpretation of the episode titles. “Separate Times,” and “King’s Time.” Or “An appropriate time to Separate,” and “King’s time to separate.”

I could just be reading way too far into it, but either way, I think it’s neat.

TL:DR

Time and tide can be interchangeable in TOH episode titles “Separate Tides,” and “King’s Tide.”

#TOH #toh spoilers #cartoon theory #kings tide #toh king #separate tides #TOH Theory #THE OWL HOUSE #history of words

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mrdrhenwardhykle · 1 year

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Does MatPat know what creative liberties and cartoonish writing is?

#sounds hypocritical but hear me out #traits piecing together implications to make a picture whole #vs straight up saying a character has malicious intent if the suddenly get a doctorate in a literal cartoon #and then getting a bunch of fanboys bouncing around repeating him like the creator said it theirselves #not the same thing #no hate btw-but it’s always bothered me that it sounds like he’s talking about real events #game theory #cartoon theory #fictional conspiracy theories #matpat

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snakeskinmilkshake · 2 years

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Here’s an Owl House theory just to calm my anxieties about taking my meds;

You know how the dude who captured the Basilisk has cameras in the abandoned house, and thanks to end credits and a liquified angry puritan we see the door to that house slam shut

I have a theory that the dude who owns those cameras / kidnapped the basilisk will somehow be taken over by Belos, I mean that dude gives off witch hunter vibes and I feel like that’ll be an easy thing for Belos to manipulate even in his liquified form

So to sum it up; I have a feeling we’re going to see the basilisk kidnapper more, especially if he goes back to the abandoned house and liquid Belos decides “ooo time to mansplain, manipulate and male wife my way into my goals”

#toh #the owl house #cartoon theory

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a-fix-of-muses · 9 months

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Currently Listening To: "Legends Never Die" by Morgan Thomaso, Victor Borba, Hugo Bringart, Cartoon Theory

#IFTTT #Spotify #Legends Never Die #Morgan Thomaso #Victor Borba #Hugo Bringart #Cartoon Theory

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sophiathetrainwreck · 1 year

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god i wished i lived in the timeline where companies respected animation

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lilacslug · 7 months

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I’ve been thinking. We’ve now seen two instances of (potential) alternate universe Jake’s who are still alive.

This is a shot of a universe Prismo was watching. When he turns it on he says something along the lines of “I like this universe because it has my favorite person in it.” Now, it’s debatable if this is a past adventure from our Finn and Jake or a completely different universe. People have noted that the flowers on this tattoo are purple, rather than blue. And, in distant lands, we see a young Finn with this tattoo…maybe early to mid twenties considering his physique,

We all know the argument of Jake being dead here. The fact Finn was traveling with Brownyn, the tattoo, Together Again being release directly after this. This to me suggests the universe we were watching was an alternate universe, but I know not everyone is convinced.

This isn’t the only universe we see Jake still alive in, however.

Here we see Jake in FARMWORLD, a world where Finn and Jake are exactly the same ages as our Finn and Jake are. This Jake is not magical. If they didn’t show Jake alive here, it would’ve made perfect sense. Most dogs don’t live past say 20 years. Nobody would’ve thought twice. But they actively decided to portray what would be a more than 30 year old dog (as Finn is 29 in Fionna and Cake). This to me shows that Jake’s natural life span was much longer than what he got to enjoy.

What does this mean for our Finn and Jake?

I believe Jake died of unnatural causes. I think he died during a big adventure, and I think Finn’s extra intense reaction to him dying is because of this. Sure, losing a brother is hard. If I lost my brother I would grieve for years. But an entire lifetime if adventuring to avoid the pain? That’s a lot. I mean, Finn was old when he died. To me he looked 90, but maybe because there’s no sunscreen in Ooo and he spent a lot of time outside adventuring, he was more like 70’s/80’s. That’s still 40-50 years of avoidance. But, if Finn were to have survival guilt (guilt that he survived something horrific and Jake didn’t) or even if he was unintentionally the CAUSE of Jake’s death…this could haunt him forever. He could be killing to regain a sense of control over the narrative and death itself. He didn’t MEAN to kill Jake, but he CAN intentionally kill this bear.

That’s just what I’ve been thinking.

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