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#can’t blame deans behaviour on johns abuse last season 2 he’s a grown adult and should take responsibility for his actions
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I hate when I say that I don’t like dean or destiel dean stans and destiel stans are quick to call me homophobic like??? I don’t dislike dean because he’s bi that has absolutely nothing to do with it in the sameway I don’t dislike destiel because it’s gay. That would be really hypocritical of me. Like no I dislike dean because he’s toxic and sexist and constantly gaslights other characters, and I dislike destiel because it’s an abusive relationship and it’s so toxic its ridiculous. Just because a character is lgbtq+ dosent exscuse there actions or make them this amazing being that’s not how sexuality works. I dislike these things regardless of there sexual orientation and propably more despite because I know how hard it is to find representation and I know you want to cling to it when you do.
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Thoughts about Spn 12x14
SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS!
Here we go again. Everyone raise their hands who had some massive Buffy season 4 flashbacks. Good. Then let’s get this started. I have to admit I liked this episode way better than Beren’s 12x07. He is one of the senior writers now, which means he gets the mytharc-episodes. And I think mytharc-episodes are usually a bit harder to write compared to motw-episodes, because they have no real end; they are one part of a bigger story. Berens is one of the better writers for mytharc-episodes (I really liked last season’s 11x06 and 11x14), so I think my dislike for 12x07 was probably more about the whole Lucifer-arc than anything else (not that it was a bad episode, but not my favourite of Berens). 12x14 now focused on the other villian of the season: the British MoL. And because I do think they are way more interesting than Lucifer I liked this episode better. We got a glimpse at their master plan - get rid of every monster in the US. The question remains though: Why? Out of the goodness of their hearts? Or to gain power and controll? We know most hunters started hunting for very personal reasons; many lost someone close to them. That is their motivation. And of course they are hunter dynasties like the Campells were one (though we never heard of another one). But what is the deal with the MoL? Because what this episode tried was to sell their way of working not only to Sam and Dean, but to us as the audience as well. To get us at a place where we at least question if their way isn’t the better one. And where we try to understand why both Mary and Sam agree to work with them. So of course there has to be a catch. Or rather a Ketch. Because I think he was the real villian of the episode.
But before we get to the adventures of Mary & Sam and Dean & Mr. Ketch, let’s start where we left last episode: Mary coming clean to her sons. The whole exchange was very painful to watch, because a lot of hurtful things where said that were hold back for too long. Right from the start Sam wants to know how long his mother worked with the MoL, so they know now that everything that happened in 12x12 was Mary’s fault. Notice that to Dean the worst part was Cas almost dying, whereas Sam mentions Wally’s death. Priorities. Mary obviously feels guilty for both events and blames herself, especially for Wally.
The whole dialogue is between Mary and Dean. Sam just listens and Mary only speaks to him after Dean left. I think the reason for this is that Mary never had with Sam what she had with Dean: a relationship, memories to go back to etc. Both Mary and Dean had an image of the other that gets destructed here. Dean is no longer a child. Mary is no longer his mom in the sense that she needs to mother him. That is the source of conflict so far. Mary missing her children, trying to connect them with the adults in front of her. Dean longing for a mother and realising that Mary can’t be this to him. Mary tells Dean that while she is their mother (and always will be) she is not just that. She is also a person, who can make her own choices, who has her own needs, and whose adult sons no longer need her to hold their hands. This is the contrast to the Mary we saw in the opening minutes of 1x01. There she was the picture perfect mother, dying while trying to protect her children, the ultimate sacrifice. Woman are expected to give up everything for their children, and Mary did so while giving her life. We can only speculate now how much Mary back then fit into the role of a traditional mother. We know she still hunted. But the reason she is doing now all those things we don’t expect a mother to do is because technically her sons don’t need her as a mother. They grow up without her, and despite everything they grow up becoming good men. In her absence they founded their own family with people like Cas and Jody and in the past Bobby and Charlie. Maybe Dean longed all his life for his mother, but he also didn’t need her to survive (which doesn’t mean they should kill Mary again... killing her now after they had her back would crush both Sam & Dean).
And this is how Mary might have justified her actions. Because the blame here isn’t only about working with the MoL, but also about Mary leaving them, something Dean hold back since 12x03. We can’t compare Mary’s absence with John’s, because again Mary left her adult sons, John left his children. To Dean though it is a painfull reminder that she left him before: the night she died. And of course back then she didn’t leave him willingly. But, and that is part of grieving, at times it felt like that. At times he was angry because his mother wasn’t there. At times he blamed her for this, no matter how unjustified it was. Loss doesn’t make sense all the time. And then his mother returned from the dead just to leave him again. And Dean never voiced the pain of missing her for so long. Of missing her again. And the implied accussion that Dean never was a child because Mary wasn’t around, which of course confirms Mary’s worst fear. She wanted a better, safer, more normal life for her children than she had but the exact opposite happened. Though I think it is fair to assume that Mary was raised quite different as a hunter than Sam and Dean. They never had a real home, were always moving and left alone, at times without enough food/money. We know John was an alcoholic and it is at least implied he was physical abusive. The Campells though? They had a home in Lawrence. Pretty sure Mary was able to go to school and had friends. Samuel might have trained her, yes. But given how professional the Campells hunted it was probably a lot safer than the way Sam & Dean learned to hunt. Mary tried to prevent her kids of having her childhood, but in reality Sam and Dean’s childhood was probably much worse.
And Dean calling Mary by her name instead of mom is another blow. It puts them more in the position of equals instead of a mother-child-dynamic (and given they are both adults it kinda makes sense), but it also makes them to strangers in a way, or at least degrades their relationship. You know, instead of Supernatural this show should be called Superpainful instead.
Dean & Ketch
As I wrote before I think Mr. Ketch is the real villian of the episode. If you haven’t been creeped out before by him you should be by now. And on top of all his creepiness Bobo also made him a sexist asshole (treating Serena like a maid) to make sure none of us regrets if he dies.
Though Ketch is a MoL as well, he acts more like a hunter throughout the episode. He is the one getting his hands dirty, while Mick and the others in contrast sit in their ivory tower. That might be the reason the show paired him with Dean for this episode. Dean sees himself as a hunter, Sam though, while being a talented hunter as well, always considered himself to be a MoL too (before they tortured him anyway). Ketch again tries to bond with a Winchesters over their apparently similar natures. He told Mary that being a hunter is her best version, that very simply she should cut her ties to her sons and give up predenting she is a mother. With Dean he acts out the same play. Telling him that they both have the need to kill, because they are in the end nothing more than killers, and the MoL offers them enough opportunities to fulfill their needs (did anyone else remind this of Dexter?). And after Rowena in 12x11 he is the second to call Dean a killer, so we see a pattern here. But I think the reson they are doing this is to prove the opposite. In 12x11, where Dean dropped his mask of performing Dean, he was shocked to be called a killer. Because he doesn’t want to be one.
Does Dean have a tendency for violent behaviour? Yes. Just in this episode his reaction over the fight with Mary was to distract himself with hunting (his need to hit something) and alcohol (and Ketch later offered both). But that doesn’t make Dean a killer. Because he can controll his dark needs. He even did for a long time while being under the influence of the MoC. He still wants a slice of the apple pie life: a home, a family, (romantic) love. The reason he gave it up in season 6 was his believe that he didn’t deserve it, that he was only good at hunting. But he has grown since then. He knows his worth. He knows the person he wants to be like. The way Mary does. She wants to be a mother. Her actions, if you like them or not, are based on her being a mother, of wanting to create a better world for her sons. Dean is a brother, a son, a friend, before he is a hunter. The MoL misinformation isn’t just about the monsters they are dealing with but reading the persons they work with wrong. Ketch thinks Mary’s and eventually Dean’s loyalty will be the MoL because he thinks of them as killers. But their loyalty is to each other because they are family.
We also learned that Toni and Ketch used to date. Speaking of horror couples. I wonder if Ketch is the father of Toni’s son though? Anyway, it brings Toni calling Ketch a psychopath into new light. Because I don’t think she called him that because her feelings were hurt, but because she knows him best. She knows his true nature. And it frightens her. So if he is the father, does he know he has a son? Or did Toni keep it a secret because of her fear of him?
We can already see the difference between Dean and Ketch while they hunt down vampires. Ketch wants to torture the female vampire. Dean is visible upset. He knows she won’t talk like that. He also knows that she knows that she is going to die. So he offers her the only thing of value: a quick death. (The other vampire before mentioned that she was weak and gave her blood that was a)human and b) fresh, so I wonder if maybe her nest fed on animal blood or blood donations?)
Two other things:
1) Dean: How did you find us? Ketch: You know you live in a MoL bunker, right?
2) Ketch’s cross tattoo. Does anyone has any ideas why he has it? What is the meaning of it? In the beginning of the season it was to identify him, but that is now obsolute and yet the camera focussed on it. He doesn’t seem to me like the religious type, so why else could he have it?
Mary & Sam
I already mentioned that in the exchange in the beginning of the episode Sam is kind of left out; it was between Dean and Mary. We also only see her writing to Dean, though from a shot of Sam’s phone display we know she texted him as well. From her PoV though Dean seems to be more her focus. Still, it is Sam she asks to visit her, thinking she might has a better chance to explain herself to him than to Dean.
In the headquarter of the Initiative MoL we see a lot more of how the MoL works and why Buffy Mary agreed to work with them. I wonder though if we will see the old man by the end of the season. (And the last character the show refered to as old man? Benny’s maker. Just saying)  He wants to recruit the Winchesters because he believes the rest of the American hunters will follow. Do they though? I’m still not sure what the reputation of the Winchesters is among other hunters. We learned in 12x06 that they tell a lot of stories about them. But Sam and Dean kickstarted also an apocalypse or two, so. Anyway, the MoL seems to have a problem to recruit elite hunters, the ones they used to work with in the old days. It seems like a lot has changed. Mary of course comes from a) another time and b) a hunter familly, who already worked much more professional than most hunters we know, and more similar to the MoL (and I still like to believe the Campells were among the elite hunters who used to work for the American MoL). Most hunters though prefer to work alone/with partners and not to be bossed around by some British Lads. Figures. Characters like Pierce then seem like yet another fooder the way Wally was (don’t trust him though, he is a toaster). It gets sadder then when we learn Pierce was only there as a spy, secretly working for the alpha vamp. If the MoL in this episode tried to sell themselves they did a poor job. Of course Sam is impressed to see how they killed vampires. And it is interesting to see the way MoL compares vampires to criminals. The hunters they are exactly that, and they kill the ones who stepped out of line, after the harm is done. To the MoL though they are terrorists. They generalize all vampires and they kill them before the harm is done. The show though has shown us more than one example of vampires who acted against their nature, who fed of animals or blood donations in order to kill no human. Or in other words trust Bobo Berens to make a comment on Trumps muslim ban in a CW genre show. But then everything that happens after the vampires start hunting them shows how utterly unprepared they are. Serena, Alton and Mick have no experience in hunting. They don’t have enough weapons/don’t carry weapons with them. The security guards either don’t seem to be prepared for an attack (when Mary and Ketch returned they didn’t even get the holy water/silver knife treatment). The headquarters aren’t build for defense. It seems like the MoL was arrogant enough to think the monster they hunt wouldn’t hunt them back.
Then again we have yet another example of the Mol’s misinformation. They didn’t know the alpha vamp was back in the US. They didn’t know Pierce was working for him and selling them out.
Speaking of the alpha vamp: I think he was only brought back to bring back the Colt to use and to learn that yes, it works on alphas. Still, his indifference towards England made me laugh (sorry, not sorry to all my British followers).
The Colt though. Again the MoL don’t know as much as they claim to know, in this case how to make new bullets. But the real reason it was brought back was to see Sam falter, as he realized his mother lied again or at least didn’t tell the whole truth. That Ramiel was right when he accussed them of stealing. And that she risked the life of her sons for the Colt.
Seeing the Colt in action again was really cool. I also knew that Sam wouldn’t have let Mick die and only pretended to fight to get the bullet, I didn’t need those flashbacks to confirm it. Stuff for the less obssesive GA though.
Sam’s conversation in the beginning with Mary and at the end with Mick (who now seems way more sympathic than Ketch) are full circle. In the beginning Mary tells Sam the reason why she works with the MoL: to make the world a safer place. To give her sons the chance to live a normal life. Sam tells her that he choose this life (as a hunter). And while this is true Mary reminds him that once upon a time he was out, he was at college, and that she knows the reason he went back (not only Jess’s death but the feeling of responsibility that prevents most hunters from getting out). With the resources of the MoL though Sam again sees a chance for a real change. Sure they were unprepared this time. But with both the resources of the MoL and the Winchesters combined they could do a lot of good. Or so he hopes. Experience tells us it will end bad. And I wonder if Dean is willing to work with them now that both Mary and Sam are in. I doubt it.
Speaking of Dean: One life-threating experience and he is ready to forgive his mom. Sure it is nice to see him accept her as an adult who can make her own choices, but I felt the conflict solution here a bit flat.
Until next week with Cas praying (does he turn to heaven for help again? I hope not) and Dean in glasses. Yup.
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Not me being sad about supernatural’s treatment of Sam and cas and there glorification of a toxic character (cough dean cough)...
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