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autolenaphilia · 18 days
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The anti-kink moral crusade rests on a lot of transmisogynistic assumptions.
Of course it’s no surprise, since it rests on ideas from the moralizing arguments about bdsm made by radfems in the 70s. The only change is that they are being massively hypocritical and inconsistent about which kinks are bad now, as I pointed out before. Now it’s only certain kinks, like consensual non-consent and fauxcest, that are bad because they “fetishize abuse”, and not bdsm as whole, despite that being inarguably true about bdsm.
And that’s purely to broaden the appeal of such arguments, so that even self-described “leatherfags” can moralize about fauxcest. The morals and principles are frankly just “It’s okay if gay men call their boyfriends “daddy”, because I find that hot, but if a trans lesbian couples pretend to be sisters it’s evil.”
And you can’t really appropriate the radfem arguments about kink without taking their transmisogyny onboard, since they stem from the same transmisogynist bio-determinist root ideology. Janice Raymond in The Transsexual Empire explained trans women through a lens of pathological sadomasochism. Years before Blanchard’s autogynephilia concept, radfems have seen transfemininity and kink as the same thing.
The image of the trans woman painted by radfems then and now, is of privileged males appropriating the pain and suffering of real wombyn, and playacting this suffering for their own perverted sexual amusement. And that is the same image painted of trans women with incest and cnc kinks in modern callout posts. They just remove the explicitly terfy language to make it less obvious. Instead of making a mockery of misogyny in general, we are instead accused of mocking the experiences of the survivors of sexual abuse.
And that boils down to the same thing. Survivors of sexual assault are often as a group assumed to be afab. This ties into a specific transmisogynist discourse. It’s one that argues that afab children are more often sexually assaulted, and that trans women are not targeted by sexual violence pre-transition, and comes to the conclusion that this proves that trans women are male socialized and privileged. This is the fairly nasty transmisogynist undercurrent here.
And it’s proven when in discussions about the transmisogyny of callout culture, a common cliché line in response is that “clearly some people’s worst oppression is being told they are freaks for shipping incest.” This treats transfems as ultra-privileged and transmisogyny as not real at all.
Of course in reality, transfems are disproportionate targets of sexual violence even in childhood and pre-transition. And many survivors of childhood abuse have these problematic abuse-fetishizing kinks, and use it to deal with their trauma, including many of the kinky transfems being called out.
And even if no one involved in the sexual roleplay and fiction being criticized have trauma, the trauma of other non-involved people is not a good argument for its destruction. It’s a reasonable demand to ask for triggering material to be tagged properly so you can avoid it, it’s unreasonable to demand it shouldn’t exist.
Yet transfems are expected to accede to the latter demand. And I think this is because of what May Peterson calls transfeminized debt. It’s how we trans women in feminist circles are expected to be perfect women and perfect feminists to be acknowledged as women at all, instead of as monsters to be destroyed. Of course because nobody is perfect, this leads to every trans woman eventually being thought of as a monster.
We are treated as having to pay off the debt of male socialization/privilege to get basic human rights. And this in practice means conceding every disagreement with TME people, and agreeing to every demand they make of us. Or else we get the hot allostatic load treatment.
And that’s why kinky transfems are expected to fulfil the ridiculous demand from certain puritanical TME people that “I’m not involved in your kink, but I have trauma relating to it, so you can’t do it.” And are treated as evil monsters for not fulfilling it. It’s clearly transfeminized debt and transmisogyny, we are treated as privileged perverted monsters, inherently exempt from sexual violence. And that is used to justify sexual harassment, in the form of callout posts for our sex lives.
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Goddamn, people on this site (and every other site too) will truly just believe anything written in a callout post if it has enough scary words in it.
Piece of advice: 90% of callout posts are complete bullshit, based on hearsay and lack of reading comprehension and often malicious misrepresentation of facts. And even the 10% that may include something that actually happened accomplish absolutely nothing besides giving people a reason to feel justified in taking part in ritualized public shaming of a convenient target for dehumanization.
I have said it before but I will say it again: we will never solve systemic problems by selecting individuals to burn on an internet pyre of social contempt. Do you want people to learn from mistakes and change for the better??? Or do you want an excuse to be cruel to someone and call it praxis?
I cannot stress enough that no one should just automatically buy whatever a callout post is selling, especially given how often the acceptable pariah of the moment is a trans woman.
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jam-n-jay · 2 months
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Tbh I think literally everyone who is heavily invested in the call-out sphere needs to hear this
Also wow who would've figured that a trans woman would have a nuanced view on fervent persecution and punitive justice I wonder why that could possibly be
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mywitchcultblr · 1 year
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phantasm-masquerade · 9 months
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this is possibly the worst post ive ever seen
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nothorses · 1 year
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Aren't you the one with the weird ass misogyny kink
This is such a perfect example of how fucking stupid callout culture is, actually.
For context, nearly two years ago now, a few blogs known for picking fights & starting harassment campaigns picked a fight & started a harassment campaign against first one transmasc blogger, then a bunch of other transmascs they harassed about reblogging his post who either didn't respond to them, or who responded unfavorably.
I won't get into the nitty-gritty here, but I did elsewhere [1] [2] and so have a few other folks.
I wasn't the original person called out. I was tacked on after the fact because I didn't respond.
What I've been "called out" for since then is, essentially, a bunch of complete bullshit made up by people who are pissed off that I encouraged people to think critically about the callout posts they came across.
Even among those lies, my sex life, kinks, fetishes, whatever- none of it has ever come up. Because I don't engage with that online, I never have, and I never will, for exactly this reason.
Would you be surprised if I told you this wasn't the first time I'd been accused of the "crimes" that original person was accused of?
You probably shouldn't be! This shit happens all the time, and it's only a natural progression of the callout culture it all stems from: one person has some shit they said taken out of context and painted in a bad light by a vindictive and usually transphobic internet loser, everyone who doesn't publicly disavow them immediately and without question is guilty by association, and what reason do they have to defend this person anyway, except so they can get away with the same thing? They must be doing it too!
And this ask especially is phrased in such a blatantly manipulate way. There's no good way to answer this: either I say "yes, but" and people stop thinking or caring there, or I say "no, here's what really happened" and I look weak and dubious for defending myself at all. The accusation has been made, the question has been asked, and now everything I say is with the assumption that this is something I am responsible for proving or disproving.
It's stupid and pointless and it's all fucking made up. It's designed to run on instinctive disgust and outrage, and what better conduit is there for rage and disgust than trans people? Especially trans people who talk about being trans.
And even putting all that aside: who fucking cares?
Who cares if one dude gets off to some shit he, in real life, both suffers from and actively tries to combat? Why are you so concerned with the private sexual fantasies of one random internet stranger? Why is it so important to you that everyone in the world know what this one dude thinks is hot when acted out between two consenting adults?
Come off anon and tell me all your kinks, anon. Tell me every single thing you have ever been turned on by, everything you've masturbated to, and why. I want detailed notes. I want links to porn. If you've made art, written fanfic, roleplayed- I want to see it.
C'mon, if this should be publicly available knowledge, let's start with you. It shouldn't matter as long as none of it's weird or off-putting to anyone else, right? You don't need to hide anything, right? There's nothing there you'd be embarrassed about, nothing you'd rather keep private, right? So what's the hold-up, why haven't you done this already? Why are you on anon to begin with; what are you hiding?
If anyone's the "sex freak" or whatever, anon, it's you. Nobody fucking needs this information about anyone, especially if they aren't sexually involved with each other. It's a massive invasion of privacy, and much more importantly it is textbook sexual harassment.
Anyway. Hi, voc and w-oc. I should be more surprised to see you two in my inbox, but I guess yall are obsessive enough to respond to, literally, a couple of tags on one reblog containing undefined, contextless acronyms of your urls. Hope you talk to a therapist about that someday.
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ribstongrowback · 1 month
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re: "what if Callouts For Good tho?"
i need you to think of callouts like you think of the cops. you'll hear this retort often, when one professes their mistrust of the police establishment: "okay, but what if you get mugged, huh?".
it is a fair question, after all, we are told the police is here to serve and protect, nevermind the fact that most of the time what you'll get out of reporting a theft to the police is that you'll be able to make an insurance claim later.
the reason why this is not the armour piercing question some people think it is, is that the police is not, in fact, here to help you if you get mugged. we all know this. the police protects capital, and if you don't have that, they won't protect you, especially if you're a minority.
you know what i mean. i'm summing this up because i assume that you're coming to this debate from a broadly leftist point of view, and only repeating them so that you put a pin in that as i make my actual point. if you don't think all cops are bastards, i don't think the rest of this post will convince you either way.
the point is that the police can and will only help you if you are a person of means. the actual things that police can do, the violence cops are capable of, only works on the poor and disenfrenchised. on anyone who's not the bourgeoisie.
callouts work in a similar way, because what callouts attack is social capital.
the point of a callout is that it's a non-police solution, essentially, right? in the ideal scenario, you're pointing out harm that someone is doing so that the community wises up to how dangerous that person is, in order to reduce their ability to do harm. most people who use a callout are aiming at least on paper for the target to lose their status in the community, or for their exclusion.
the issue here is that for this to work, you have to convince the community, and even with the best intentions in the world, this only works if you, as the caller, have enough social capital compared to your target that you will be trusted over the established feelings the community harbors towards that target.
you'll notice, whenever a callout works, that the people will line up to declare that they never trusted the target anyway. that they caught a "vibe" or whatever. true, some of that might be people exonerating themselves, but mostly i think these people just feel vindication over having their biases confirmed.
in other word, callouts that work work because the target already has low social capital.
now, in a community, who has the lowest social capital? why, the minorities, of course. this is why black, disabled, trans people are the most common target of any callout that works. because these people are not trusted by the community as much as white abled and cis people, because even in progressive spaces, prejudice persists.
all of this to explain something that @txttletale said in a much more succint way: callouts only work when you're punching down.
like the police.
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We are against punitive justice in general, and callout posts are the worst kind of punitive justice--
vigilante mob justice, with trial by the court of public opinion.
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werewolf-cuddles · 2 years
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Anyway, you absolutely still should not blindly trust call-out posts.
The vast majority of call-outs are made with the specific goal of inciting harassment.
Unless the person being called out has done something truly horrible, and there is actual sufficient evidence to back it up, take it with a grain of salt.
Y'all need to have higher standards than "sources: dude trust me"
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haupkmn · 11 days
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One thing I've been consistently noticing with people on this website not liking others is that though often make fun of them for aspects of themselves they totally cannot control.
It is perfectly fine to not like a fucking freak but making fun of their face, their disability or anything they literally cannot control doesn't seem fair to me? If someone is a terrible person who has a weird fetish or is a transphone has something like a stutter or a cleft chin, make fun of them for the things they actively choose to do instead of something they're born with.
Don't bash someone who's autistic or doesn't get social cues for making others uncomfortable for not understanding something or not noticing a boundary.
I've seen several people on this website put in the tags about other users on here that they hope they become homeless, get outed, lose access to their meds or don't get the ability to go outside. Not a lot of people can control their living situations and making fun of that isn't okay.
This also goes for people with trauma, just because someone is a piece of shit doesn't mean you have a free pass to make fun of them being abuse, their triggers or personality disorders. Yes, this includes people with NPD.
If someone uses a mobility aid, don't threaten to break it or make it worse, the exact same goes for someone's "weird" comfort item. Telling someone that you're going to burn their stuffed animal, tear up their notebooks or destroy their things.
Don't be a dick.
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tired-fandom-ndn · 2 years
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We need to stop treating callouts as well-intentioned but ultimately harmful and just accept the fact that they are specifically made to incite harassment. No one makes a callout thinking "I sure hope this helps that person realize their mistake and become better", it's always "I sure hope this person gets driven off of the internet or has a complete mental breakdown, which I will then also make a callout about."
So many people make posts about how callouts and public shaming are not conductive to actual discussion and improvement and that those things are done with private conversations, but then they don't make the logical leap and realize that that's the point. Callouts are a weapon and that's it.
Same with all those posts about lack of priority in callouts, where shipping and watching Steven universe are deemed more important than actual bigotry and violence. It's because the people making the callout don't care! They don't care about protecting people! They just want to hurt someone! That is the absolute and only end goal of all callout posts!
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autolenaphilia · 5 months
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Another thing about callout posts you should keep in mind: screenshots of social media are trivially easy to fake, with image editing and other means, for reasons that are all too obvious. A jpg of a social media post is not proof at all.
So like, the next time you see a callout post of a trans woman accusing her of being a pedo and a screenshot of a discord convo as proof, be more skeptical of both the accusation and the supposed proof. Like callout posts are 50% unsubstantiated rumor mongering and 50% jpgs of supposedly real social media posts, it's why I never take them seriously.
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mrjocrafter · 1 year
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hot take: internet callout posts (derogatory) are more dangerous when the person they’re calling out is actually That Bad, because the inherently poisoned format makes any actual allegation less believable. like, there was that one where “making and detonating an actual fucking bomb” was fourth under “playing omori” this makes actual dangerous people be able to hide in the mountains of callout posts of people who did literally nothing wrong
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sweaty-confetti · 4 months
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i think “problematic” as a word to describe issues with certain public figures’ behavior has been so overused at this point too it’s hard to tell if problematic means “yeah they did something kinda weird and never apologized” or “they did something super fucked up but realized the error of their ways and apologized and did better” or “they ran over 3 children and posted it on the dark web” or whatever else . like each of those situations requires different things from different people and you can’t just disavow them completely in every situation. and then it also becomes commonplace to just throw around accusations super casually . and you can acknowledge that people did horrible shitty things but you can’t just say “yeah they did x thing this person explains it” without any direct proof. i think it’s a shitty way of dealing with controversy and bad things people have done to just constantly label it as “problematic” and then just move on without actually addressing the specifics of what they did, why they did it, what their response was, how can they fix it. and importantly, you have to use your own critical thinking skills in the whole process. taking every instance of a poorly timed tweet or distasteful joke from 8 years ago or genuinely serious grooming allegations or overt racism in videos and then putting it all into a category of “problematic” doesn’t solve anything
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0w0tsuki · 19 days
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(Screenshot.The post this is from is three posts below if people need it for reference)
It's always pathetic to me whenever chuds on here try to frame their purity cult No Kink at Pride bullshit as "just thinking it's a little weird UwU"
Like oh you just have a personal squick? That's all it is? Oh I'm sorry! I thought people were drumming up weekly harassment campaigns, sending death threats/suicide bait, and socially murdering trans women over this! I'll be sure to leave you be yourself where you're not making your personal disgust other people's problems!
Get real.
Nobody cares about your personal squick. Nobody's saying "You HAVE to like incest, rape, and ageplay and masturbate to all three at once or else you're a transmisogynist!1!" people are asking to not turn your disgust into violence.
Like guess what? I Do Not Like Incest. Because of how society views any relationship between those perceived as a man and women through oppositional sexism, most of the time when people see a man and a woman together out in public they often come to the conclusion that the only reason they have for doing so is because they are in a romantic relationship. This resulted in me and my sibling often getting mistaken for a couple anytime we went anywhere together before we both came out. One time an old man at a flea market tried to sell us BDSM handcuffs and continued to do so even AFTER we told him we were siblings.
Do I plaster "PRO-INCEST DNI" over my blog? Do I personally go out and harass anyone who posts incest? Do I go into anons to "warn" people of other bloggers being into incest. Do I go about mass reporting people who post about incest? Do I write/spread call-out posts for people who post incest?
FUCK NO
Hell I'll go one step further. I HATE sissy kink. I have personally talked about it in my blog about how I have been personally traumatized by it, how it set back my transition by years, and how I believe it ultimately does more harm than good to trasfem eggs. I have talked about how sissy communities prey on transfem eggs and purposely set up in spaces where transgirls who are discovering themselves the same time they are experiencing puberty and are having a harm time separating their trans awakening from their sexual one frequent and tell them that their trans existence is a sexual one that they should be ashamed and humiliated by. 80% of my notifications on my alternate kink account are cis men with sissy kinks ignoring my DNI. I've called it transmisogyny kink. I reject the notion that cis men with sissy kinks are TMA and there are trans women who I've unfollowed/blocked over this and I know there are trans women who have me blocked about my stance on this.
STILL. I keep all my hostility to myself. I will rant on my own blog about it. If a post trying to lump me in with cissies gets under my ass I will throw it underwater to rant about and keep it to a screenshot with their name cropped outreblog on another rant so it doesn't gain too much traction and leads to any harassment. The MOST confrontational I'll get is going into posts dedicated to discourse about it and arguing with people specifically signing up to argue about it.
You can be anti-something without being an Anti about it. It's called not liking a thing. It's called being a hater. I fucking wish y'all just "thought it was a little weird"
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phantasm-masquerade · 9 months
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callout culture is a poison on society.
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