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hotvintagepoll · 3 days
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Kay Francis (Jewel Robbery, I Loved A Woman, British Agent)— kay francis was an icon of glamor in her time and a top star of the 30s - she was the highest-paid actress at warner bros from 1930 to 1936. she tended to play characters who were charming, sophisticated, and elegantly dressed, and starred in at least one legitimate masterpiece, the sublime 1932 comedy trouble in paradise. her first big role was in the marx brothers movie the cocoanuts in 1929, and she and william powell made seven movies together between 1930 and 1932. even in her sillier movies she always elevates the material with her charm and presence - she never phones it in and there’s a sort of warm, knowing wittiness about her. a really good short promo from a retrospective of her movies that i think really gets her Vibe across
Elisabeth Welch (Song of Freedom, Big Fella, Dead of Night)— Starry-eyed, honey-voiced, magnetic. A Broadway star in the 1920s, she SHOULD have become a torch-singing Hollywood star when talking pictures came in. Instead she was faced with Hollywood racism, so she moved to Europe and juggled British movie roles and a top-class cabaret career. (Heard the classic songs "Stormy Weather" or "Love For Sale" or "As Time Goes By"? She introduced them all.) You need to hear her croon, so here she is co-starring with certified hot vintage man Paul Robeson [video below the cut]
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"From 1932 through 1936, Francis was the queen of the Warner Bros. lot, and, increasingly, her films were developed as star vehicles. By 1935, Francis was one of the highest-paid actors, earning a yearly salary of $115,000, dwarfing the $18,000 Bette Davis – who would one day occupy Francis's dressing room – made. From 1930 to 1937, Francis appeared on the covers of 38 film magazines, second only to child sensation Shirley Temple's 138." Source: Wikipedia. Kay Francis is like the MOST FAMOUS Actress from the 1930s you've never heard of--and it was her and Norma Shearer who wore and made classic the 1930s tall, slim, bias cut silhouette. She ALSO has a WHOLE PODCAST episode devoted to her life and career in Hollywood--it's fascinating! She is both tough and a total wet cat.
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One of the TALLEST Warner Brother stars at 5’9” and known as a “clothes horse” for her glamorous roles wearing the height of 1930s fashion. She fell out of popularity in the 40s, but her 30s work sizzles. The scene with her and Herbert Marshall in Trouble in Paradise where she says she doesn’t care about his reputation (because she’d rather sleep with him?) HAWOOGA
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melted my gay heart with her butch look in stolen holiday
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"My life? Well, I get up at a quarter to six in the morning if I'm going to wear an evening dress on camera. That sentence sounds a little ga-ga, doesn't it? But never mind, that's my life ... As long as they pay me my salary, they can give me a broom and I'll sweep the stage. I don't give a damn. I want the money ... When I die, I want to be cremated so that no sign of my existence is left on this earth. I can't wait to be forgotten." —From Kay Francis's private diaries, c. 1938
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nalyra-dreaming · 2 days
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Hi,I hope we are not too annoyed with all our questions.
I'm new to the fandom,and after watching the show I really thought that Loustat would be the popular ship.I know most people are multi-shipper here,but it's funny how Louis and Lestat are not popular together. It seems like you've been here longer than many of us (books and Tv show)from you observations do you see major differences between fans favorite in the show and the books?
Also,have you changed your opinion on a character because of the show?
Not really to the latter.
I think the show cast the characters perfectly, so they fit for me. :) I like this Louis more, if anything. They enhanced him (though they did enhance them all, imho).
We lucked out so badly.
As per Loustat... *sighs*
You have to understand that Lestat is seen by many as the big bad abuser ™, and nothing else. No matter how often cast, crew, writers and creators have said that we have seen only half the story, no matter how often errors in the tale have been pointed out, no matter how often I have dug out the episode insider with Rolin pointing out the "tinkering" even then... anyone who doubted Louis' tale in any kind of fashion was met with accusations of racism and slurs.
I'm not kidding. I wish I was. I still have comments on my fics that I left there, on purpose. I have the asks here. There are people who call themselves my "number one hate blog".
I don't want to rehash all that now.
But imagine trying to write coming from the books, knowing what will happen, seeing the "seeds" in the show (as Assad called it), reading the interviews, knowing the tale will shift... and being met with something like that.
And now imagine not having the book background, and being harassed on anon, or with comments. And not having the background to defend your ship.
And I don't even mean actual criticism here, if valid or not.
No, I mean harassment. Accusations, death threats. Comparisons to the KKK. Whole campaigns against me, and others. Not kidding. I put my rants into my bio if you're interested, lol.
This is the fandom where I started blocking in earnest, and I come from friggin' Hannibal.
A tale like this, with racial changes in a color-conscious way (which actually brought the difficult topics into play (and I love them for it!)), left hanging for 18 months... that didn't do the fandom any good.
And some of the comments in the podcast didn't do it any good either with the expectations it raised, and which will be now... well. Not wholly disappointed, but... some took that as gospel. When it's not. It will be a bit messy soon, and with what's to come wrt to Claudia, too.
Soooo... that is why Loustat isn't particularly popular right now.
That will change though.
Rolin, as well as Sam and Jacob keep repeating that this show is built around Loustat.
Loustat are at the heart. They are the heart.
The books start and end with them.
The show foreshadows their dance at the end.
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I for one am continuing to write for them, even if I have currently hit a wall on my current fic, but I was mightily distracted by all the new content^^ (like everyone else I think^^).
I love that they are so complicated, and messy, and petty, and so, so IN LOVE.
Jacob called it that, too. "Petty and in love".
And they are.
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PS: And no worries re asks :) I love talking to you guys^^
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raddest-laddest · 3 months
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so i hardly show ocs just cus they’re not what i’m thinking abt most of the time, but i’m gonna throw them on here anyways.
meet my guys:
nila and florian
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malaya and nek
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larry and the tomato god
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alvaro and cass
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racism flower
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and stan (wahoo)
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bad-comic-art · 1 year
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Dude really said “I’m gonna find the grossest Middle Eastern stereotypes and make them sexy”
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kicktwine · 8 months
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A kissaroo from me to you! (judo flips kan-e-senna)
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also I had a dream everyone turned into a dragon . alphiesaur
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i don't think that anyone who hasn't seen black sails is allowed to have an opinion on it because i guarantee you, if you are not familiar with it, you have absolutely no idea how incredibly well made and written that show is, because i sure as fuck did not and i BELIEVED the people who said that it was, and i was still blown away
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starlooove · 7 days
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Always will fill me with rage when white Ppl make hcs or fics about their white faves saving Duke cass or Damian from racism (or cass saving herself with a punch and no genuine emotion about it bc she’s a Girlboss 😝 😆) and then they demonize Damian 24/7 only say ‘Duke is on day shift’ in their fics or literally have cass as some walking talking fighting doll that teases her brothers sometimes. Like it’s genuinely y’all don’t think it’s racism unless it’s a slur. Can’t tell me what internal or implicit bias or even what a microagression is and u wanna talk on racism.
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pretty-emo-dad · 1 year
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Some of you only view Lucas’s character as the Good Boyfriend and it shows
#AND ITS NOT EVEN ACCURATE ACTUALLY#BECAUSE HIS ENTIRE CHARACTER ARC BETWEEN SEASON 3 AND 4 IS LEARNING HOW TO BE A BETTER LISTENER#AND NOT A CONTROL FREAK BECAUSE HE LOVES PEOPLE SO MUCH AND JUST WANTS THEM TO AUTO FEEL BETTER#BUT HE CANT JUST DO THAT HE HAS TO WAIT AND BE PATIENT AND LISTEN#lumax#byclair#applies to both of y’all#TikTok byclairs esp get on my nerves bc they are almost always anti mike ppl who just use Lucas as the good bc trope#and never delve further into his character#LIKE HE IS SO MUCH MORE THAN HIS REMATIONSHIPS#the day I start going insane about Lucas here like I do in my buddy’s dms…#nobody will know peace#Lucas has bad and good traits like every other character yet the fandom chooses to completely mischaracterize him#either by exaggerating his good traits + shoving all the bad stuff into mike#or making him out to be this homophobic asshole stubborn abuser#and he’s neither of these things#he’s complex with complex motivations#me when people don’t realize how much of a control freak Lucas is#and how much of that stems from racism trauma + UD trauma#he’s so so special my boy#stranger things#lucas sinclair#will never forgive you mfs for how often he is mischaracterized for the sake of a ship or to say that he’s the only completely good chara#NOBODY IS COMPLETELY GOOD ALL THE TIME IT COMES WITH BEING FUCKING HUMAN#like I love him. he’s my skrungums. but he still has an Arc#and arc that involves him needing to learn things about himself#and revolve as a person#my rambles
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sieglinde-freud · 10 months
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i think the fell xenologue does a great job at characterizing some of the royals beyond the vanilla game mostly because every single royal has like one or two core principles that really make them who they are and so getting rid of those one or two things completely converts them into a completely different person. like alcryst losing his self doubt, celine loses her empathy, hortensia loses her resilience, etc etc. but i think my favorite version of this has to be fogado, who has in my opinion the most drastic change. i think all of the other royals have very outward presenting traits that you can easily catch onto and see theyve lost. but fogado is just a little different, because what fell fogado lacks isnt really a trait; he loses his sense of love. (rest under the cut bc it turned into an essay. my bad also fell xenologue spoilers obvs)
“our” fogado (?? idk how to differentiate between them. work with me here) is not an easy person to read in universe. he makes it very clear in chapter 13 that he’s pretty good at deception and is very willing to make use of that skill. his supports with timerra and pandreo also tell us he’s gotten used to keeping up a specially crafted persona meant to kind of suppress his feelings (that timerra and pandreo can see through but. like 1. theyre smart 2. sister and bff ok moving on). but he doesn’t do it out of malice or because he just likes being tricky, he lies because he loves. everything in fogado’s life is shaped by what he loves: his country, his friends, and his sister. every single motivation he has is fueled by this: the constant partying, how often he leaves the castle, all his acting. its even in his goddamn class name (cupido) and birthday (feb 14) if you needed the game to spell it out for you
so thats why when we get to the fell xenologue, the fogado we meet is changed in that one specific way: his love is gone. we know this because of a few things, the first of which is that he is honest. aside from the robe (in which he is assassinating someone! but also. lets be so honest with ourselves here. you can see his fucking face) he’s immediately upfront with his intentions: he wants the bracelets, he wants power, and he wants you to die. and thats it. he just kind of hands you that information, and then fucks off when you win. on what earth would our fogado do that? dude wouldnt even tell you if he broke his leg, he just partied a little hard last night. but thats just it isnt it? our fogado lies because he loves people, hes protecting them. fell!fogado is transparent because he’s not protecting anyone, he doesn’t care.
but the biggest kicker in fell!fogado’s lack of love is in his interaction with our timerra. our fogado loves his sister more than anything, as he literally plans his entire life around making HER life easier. he sacrifices even just spending time with her just because he needs to make sure hes fully prepared to keep her safe (not that timerra wants that for him but he doesnt really get that. which is another topic i could dive into but this post is long enough lets not make it a novel). fell!fogado though? well you see–
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any love fogado holds for his sister, or any love at all really, is just not present in fell!fogado. and you could say that maybe its just because of the corruption, but then why do we still see love between the fierenese and brodian siblings? even fell!timerra still loves her brother if her conversation with our fogado is anything to go off of. but the writers know that fogado lives and dies on his love for people, its his entire being and so much more so than the rest of the cast. which is why thats what had to change in him for the fell xenologue. it wasnt really just a flip of the switch haha murder thing (though. it could have been handled better. lets be real) but it was the loss of everything that makes fogado him. and i think the fact that this gets to be highlighted in the dlc just makes base game fogado all that much more interesting, because it cements his motivation now that we know what he's like without it. fogado is a guy driven by love and its just fucking great
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unofficialadamtaurus · 7 months
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some people get so heated over "problematic" characters and it's like sorry you don't know how to have fun dude. anyway they should've murdered more people
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exhausted-archivist · 9 months
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On the topic of the inherent racism in the Qun and its people, with how baked in racism is, you can't buff it out and reformat. You can't remove it, and BioWare has only been doubling down on it up to Tevinter Nights in 2020. Which means you need to be careful with how you interact and build on it. At least that is how I approach it, in general I don't like to engage with it because it's just so difficult and not in any thought provoking or insightful way. So I refrain from doing so as much as possible in public spaces anyways, because it is so inherently unsafe for me to do so. From an interaction with fandom level, but also on a personal level because some of it makes me want to crawl out of my skin.
I am extremely weary of how da4 is going to portray them, I hope it will be better since the writing team has been moved around and there have been some acknowledgements on poor writing of stereotypes and biases in 2020. Which I take with a salt mine worth of salt, especially with the way the new comics like the Missing having lingering themes and stereotypes remaining. How Patrick Weekes described the rebelling antaam in Three Trees to Midnight (Tevinter Nights 2020) was the biggest red flag, followed by the yellow flag from As We Fly short story by Lukas Kristjanson (short story 2023).
With how BioWare has racism and harmful elements baked into the Qun and people in general it is going to difficult for them to fully separate it, update it, or reformat it. But I hope they do. I hope that they actually attempt to make it better like they have suggested they would. Because it is so harmful and they should. I don't think they'll get it right on the first try, but I hope they try. It won't magically fix the racism in the fandom but I would like to not feel the need to crawl out of my skin when playing a vashoth. I would like to see the franchise grow and become better than it started out as. I don't want it to stay stagnant for the sake of "consistency" which it doesn't have by design.
#archi yelling into the void#fandom critical#bioware critical#This is a little out of the norm but genuinely that post about the cow ears rattled me#And the tags in there weren't much better at times. Some of you really say some things with your whole chest#I don't play as a vashoth in Inquisition for too long because it is inherently more hostile than any other inquisitor#you're regularly called a slur. there is no care to your preferred terminology or identity.#Not even Bull who makes it abundantly clear how important terminology is with identity is even consistent with it#You're literally called all three terms we have for the horned people at some point. Qunari/tal-vashoth/vashoth.#The codex for adaar calls you vashoth. Most NPCs call you qunari or a slur. Bull calls you both Qunari and tal-vashoth.#even though he makes the distinction between the two in a conversation with Adaar going as far as to tell them they AREN'T Qunari.#Genuinely kicks up some intense feelings with how shitty BioWare portrays the Qun and those horned people in general.#Both in stereotypes and in how they don't care about the lore. BioWare isn't known for consistency or even reliable narratives#But every other race and group gets the respect of preferred terminology. They get the time to correct you ex) Dorian being called magister#But BioWare doesn't care to enforce or even let the player enforce the difference between qunari/tal-vashoth/vashoth.#Like I said I have feelings about this. Because it feels like it extends past the unreliable narrator or character bias/ignorance/racism
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hotvintagepoll · 3 days
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Anna May Wong (The Thief of Bagdad, Shanghai Express)—Wong was the first Chinese American movie star, arguably the first Asian woman to make it big in American films. Though the racism of the time often forced her into stereotypical roles, awarded Asian leading roles to white actors in yellowface, and prohibited on-screen romance between actors of different races, she delivered powerful and memorable performances. When Hollywood bigotry got to be too much, she made movies in Europe. Wong was intellectually curious, a fashion icon, and a strong advocate for authentic Asian representation in cinema. And, notably for the purposes of this tournament, absolutely gorgeous.
Constance Talmadge (A Pair of Silk Stockings)—I find her enchanting.
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"She so so gorgeous!! Due to Hollywood racism she was pretty limited in the roles she got to play but even despite that she’s so captivating and deserves to be known as a leading lady in her own right!! When she’s on screen in Shanghai Express I can’t look away, which is saying something because Marlene Dietrich is also in that film."
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"SHE IS ON THE BACK OF QUARTERS also she was very smart and able to speak multiple languages and is a fashion icon on top of the acting/singing"
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"Paved the way for Asian American actresses AND TOTAL HOTTIE!!! She broke boundaries and made it her mission to smash stereotypes of Asian women in western film (at the time, they were either protrayed them as delicate and demure or scheming and evil). In 1951, she made history with her television show The Gallery of Madame Liu-Tsong, the first-ever U.S. television show starring an Asian-American series lead (paraphrased from Wikipedia). Also, never married and rumor has it that she had an affair with Marlene Dietrich. We love a Controversial Queen!"
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"She's got that Silent Era smoulder™ that I think transcends the very stereotypical roles in which she was typically cast. Also looks very hot smouldering opposite Marlene Dietrich in "Shanghai Express"; there's kiss energy there."
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"Hot as hell and chronically overlooked in her time, she's truly phenomenal and absolutely stunning"
"A story of stardom unavoidably marred by Hollywood racism; Wong's early-career hype was significantly derailed by the higher-up's reluctance to have an Asian lead, and things only got worse when the Hayes code came down and she suddenly *couldn't* be shown kissing a white man--even if that white man was in yellowface. After being shoved into the Dragon Lady role one too many times, she took her career to other continents for many years. Still, she came back to America eventually, being more selective in her roles, speaking out against Asian stereotypes, and in the midst of all of this finding the time to be awarded both the title of "World's Best Dressed Woman" by Mayfair Mannequin Society of New York and an honorary doctorate by Peking University."
"Incredible beauty, incredible actress, incredible story."
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"-flapper fashion ICON. look up her fits please <3 -rumors of lesbianism due to her Close Friendships with marlene dietrich & cecil cunningham, among others -leveraged her star power to criticize the racist depictions of Chinese and Asian characters in Hollywood, as well as raise money and popular support for China & Chinese refugees in the 1930s and 40s. -face card REFUSED to decline."
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I think dick grayson as a character really pulls apart the whole "written by a woman = good" concept at the seams, specifically because people love to talk about his people pleaser personality (as of recent comics) and especially SA experiences as indicators of a well meaning Womanly Perspective writing him when in actuality the destruction of his personality and mentioned SA were orchestrated by a self identified "well meaning" woman who, you know, had fantasies of raping him. White feminism and the normalization of sexualizing brown and black men have done a number on a lot of you guys's critical thinking
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icedsodapop · 3 months
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I hate how so many White queer and trans people view films created by and starring people of color, like The Half Of It and Bend it like Beckham, only through a queer and trans lens and ignore the cultural contexts of the films. Not everything is about you.
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ronancebyler · 7 months
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"these chronically online gay people are taking over the fandom this is why i want to leave"
okay?? leave. you guys are the reason the bullying started in the fandom. this show was made for nerds let us have this. the mcs are literally dnd fans, will canonically cosplayed. those are the main characters. the show was never for you. you're allowed to enjoy it, but dont act as if we're the intruders. you came into our space, took over, and then started acting as if we showed up midway.
we're making the show unnecessarily gay? everything we're saying will never happen? this is clearly your first fandom because the thing about FANdom is that people can use these preexisting characters and have fun with them so they can create content outside of the show. so yes, we are going to be shipping characters that never showed any romantic interest to each other canonically. we will be shipping characters that never met. that is the POINT.
the theme of the show is accepting your differences and not trying to change parts of yourself for the sake of normalcy and general acceptance. we have fun with the out there fan theories, the impossible ships, the alternate universes. this always has been for fun. for some reason though, you have decided to have a stick up your ass at the idea that someone enjoying themself. have you never heard about curating your own online experience? the block button is free. use it.
stop acting as if you have some weird superiority above us. idgaf if you think it's cringy. it was never about you in the first place.
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kinda wild to be watching old tv shows and realizing how many times producers just replaced one black character with another is kind of... concerning.
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