#basically it’s the story of this kid deprived of love losing first his innocence then his sanity then his humanity

[violetosprey]

Wanted to hear you go on about child yandere. more types of love than romantic. the your my friend or your going to take care of me and me you is scary in a different way. smart kids can more easily manipulate the victim and others emotionally.

Child yanderes huh? Admittedly, that’s a topic I never really think about a lot.  The wording here was a little strange, but I’m taking this as pretty much a “free rein” question.

Quick thoughts here before the read more section:

Can a child be a yandere? – Absolutely

My feelings towards child yanderes (where the cast is roughly the same age) – Same as a normal yandere

My feelings towards child yanderes (where the yandere’s S/O is much older) – Frustrating to okay

To be perfectly upfront here, I don’t focus on child yanderes a lot with the media I consume. That doesn’t mean I don’t come across any.  In fact, in may just be a case where I’m not even considering “this is a child yandere” when technically yes they are.  I guess it depends on what age range you think of when you hear the word “child” to begin with.  For me, that makes me think elementary school and maybe even middle school.  High school I would rather say “kids” if that’s a step up in anyway?

If you consider anyone who is a minor (under the age of 18) a child, then yeah there’s a lot of child yanderes I’ve seen.  Lots of media I’ve read or watched focus on a cast of characters in high school for instance, or sometime middle school age.  I don’t think I’ve read or watched something with a yandere where the cast is strictly elementary school age.  Would I even really enjoy that?  To be honest, elementary school (and sometimes even middle school) romances for me might sound cute, but I hardly take them seriously.  There’s a lot of yanderes who met their S/O in elementary school in the story I’m sure, but that’s usually a past element and the story is focusing on the characters when they’re older.

For the sake of this post, I’ll just assume anyone who is under the age of 18 may count as a child yandere.

Can a child be a yandere?  Of course they can.  They just have to have intense feelings of love that are overwhelming towards another individual, often leading to obsessive and/or possessive behavior.

If you’re the type that believes in “platonic yanderes,” the most common obsessions here would be like the best friend kind (like you stated anon), sibling or parental figure.  In cases like these, I know for a fact I’ve seen some stories where the character is just severely deprived of safe and affectionate love in general.  Their relationships at home either aren’t stellar, or the character doesn’t have anyone period.  They child may have faced abuse or neglect, or they may simply be an orphan.  There’s no desire for sexual or romantic connection here.  The character rather just wants companionship and sometimes a caretaker.  Depending on the backstory given, you can feel kind of sad for these characters since they just don’t want to be alone.  They may also have a tendency to latch onto someone who fits an “ideal” of theirs.  Like the other person seems like the best role model for a friend/sibling/parental figure they always wanted.

If you’re like me though and are more focused on straight up “romantic yanderes,” yes a child can still develop these intense feelings.  In fact, it’s very common for a person in their younger years to grow easily infatuated with someone else, obsess over having a relationship and fumble with healthy dating behavior.  Pretty understandable because when you’re young, you’re just figuring things out. Lots of people have getting married as a main goal in life, so figuring out relationships early on is a benefit sometimes.  You’ve got other things affecting your goal like your social environment and puberty (you know what I mean).  I just stated the obvious here but oh well.  So yeah, a child yandere could fall in love with someone around their age, but they could also develop feelings for someone older.  Usually with the latter, it’s just innocent crushes that blossom from getting attention from someone they view as much more mature than their peers. Plenty of people will probably say, “I had the biggest crush on my third grade teacher” for instance or something like that.  They’re mostly harmless and will fade away in normal cases.  By the way, just because a kid CAN develop a crush on an older individual, that is NOT permission to pursue a relationship with them -_-.  Sorry for that interruption, but I don’t want people to misinterpret what I’m saying here.

Now if the child yandere in question is part of a cast that’s around the same age as them, including their S/O…I just kind of treat them like any other yandere.  No special feelings really towards the character more of less because the setting allows me to just focus on the relationships and not really the ages.  Especially with anime and manga where like, character appearances will hardly match their age sometimes, so I halfway give up even worrying about how old these characters are to begin with.

Currently the most recent child yandere I could think of observing was Norman in the Promised Neverland parody manga, The Parodied Jokerland.  He’s very enjoyable in that and incredibly yandere.  He’s the cute kind of creepy obsessive, if that makes any sense.  In that scenario, his S/O Emma is the same age as him, and the majority of the cast are also kids.

If you have a child yandere who’s focused on an OLDER S/O though…that’s kind of difficult to ignore.

I had this very funny and sad realization:  Most of the media I’ve viewed where a child yandere is in love with an older S/O is via Lifetime movies.

Yeah…

So that gives me a more narrow view here of child yanderes if their S/O is older than them 0.o. Lifetime is basically my junk food.  It’s bad for me, but I’ll watch it occasionally when I have cable access.  Not stellar entertainment, but my god they love to run the obsessive love trope over and over again.  Believe it or not, I know I’ve seen a few variations of cases where they have a younger character desperately trying to get together with an older character. They probably have all combinations, but for some reason the one that pops into my head first is, “teenage girl wants to marry this older man who’s already married/in a relationship.”

The way most of these plots play out is something like:

1)      Kid tries to find a way to get access to S/O (ex. Class, lessons, be a friend of S/O’s kid)

2)      Kid tries to get the S/O to support them with a sad backstory and/or tries to be the “perfect helper” for the S/O

3)      Kid tries to bump off the S/O’s partner at some point (may or may not succeed)

4)      Someone dies (because it’s Lifetime and someone you honestly don’t care about has to get killed at some point just to up the ante- I have literally only ever cared about 1 person that died when watching Lifetime and I don’t think it was even an official Lifetime movie)

5)      Kid confesses their love for their S/O and claims they’re the best match for them

6)      S/O (unsurprisingly) shuts them down with a “No”

7)      Kid snaps and depending on how much time is left in the movie, usually a fight culminates between individuals or there’s a kidnapping or blackmailing (you get the idea)

8)      Ends with kid either getting killed or arrested (Wait do they kill the child yanderes in these movies?  I haven’t watched them all so maybe they live, I’m not sure).

So yeah that’s what this ask made me think of first, haha.  Obviously with Lifetime, pretty much all their yanderes (as low-brow as some of them are) are the antagonistic/villain kind with Yandere vs. S/O stories.  It’s no different if the yandere in the film is a child.  It’s a guaranteed that the child yandere is going to lose in these films. But quite frankly…I know a lot of people actually want the S/O to reciprocate and work with the yandere, but I think we can all agree that this particular scenario should be fine staying Yandere vs. S/O.  Because if it wasn’t, that means you’d be making…an OLDER S/O…attempt a relationship…with a minor….yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhhh I don’t recommend going that route for obvious reasons.

Now are child yanderes ever really a threat? Actually yes, they can be quite dangerous.  Sure, they’re not like a high political figure or CEO like in the stories I like to read that can use their power and wealth to push the S/O into a corner or anything.  But child yanderes can become surprisingly selfish and underhanded with their tactics. One thing I notice is that they’re incredibly observant, so they know where to find items they need to use (like weapons or drugs) for a wicked task or they know what kind of people to talk to and manipulate for their own needs. While child yanderes lack a higher social and economic standing, they have their “innocence” that can often help avoid detection from the authorities when trouble arises.  The most dangerous weapon I’d say a child yandere has at their disposable would be the ability to slander someone without repercussions. Especially if they’re claiming someone else was violent with them or sexually abused them.  Why?  Because let’s be honest, lots of people would be deathly afraid of doubting a child making such accusations.  And in turn, their feelings would rise quickly and they’d turn against the accused.

Another fun Lifetime fact: Depending on the film, they always purposefully make it frustrating for the viewer when it comes to false accusations vs. real accusations.  If it’s a film where they have an actual victim speak out against their perpetrator, the circumstances will usually be set up so that most of the film cast won’t believe the victim.  On the other side, if it’s a character making a false accusation against another character, most of the film cast will side with the liar over the accused.  Because I guess Lifetime just likes to say that life is infuriating like that 0.o

Getting back on topic though, so why did I say that child yanderes can range from “frustrating to okay” for me?  Well, like I said earlier, I don’t really take a lot of young romance that seriously. Kids can also be very volatile and irrational, so you know in ADDITION to this character being a yandere, it’s going to be nearly impossible to try to talk some sense into the character that they cannot be with the S/O they desire.  It’s a doomed relationship, so I find myself either rolling my eyes at or pitying the yandere in this case.  The child yandere could be “okay” though if, well…I like their yandere actions honestly. I AM still a sucker for yanderes in general, so I’m not gonna mind if I get a nice fix of crazy in there.

This probably isn’t a stellar answer, but like I said this isn’t really a topic I think about a lot. Hope it was interesting?

#yandere #male yandere #female yandere #answer

[skamamoroma]

La Grotta/The Little Cave - Thoughts

Oooooook. So this beautiful beautiful beautiful clip. My goodness. Where do you even start?

I think the only way to start any chat about this clip is to get rid of ANY notion that I compare the original and this version of the show. I really don’t. I like to discuss the interesting ways stuff differs and how both stories have gone in very different directions DESPITE being the same basic storyline but I don’t compare. The MEANINGS and MESSAGES overlap in some ways but these characters and experiences cannot be more different. To compare these clips is to lose the point entirely and to deprive yourself of a totally different experience, a really really really special experience.

Let’s face it, O Helga Natt was/is iconic. Always will be. It’s gut wrenchingly beautiful. It’ll stick with me, always. But no way am I going to compare what Skam Italia did because it wouldn’t be fair on either clip and would do an ENORMOUS disservice to the beauty I watched tonight and the meanings behind this short but powerful clip. I hold them entirely separate and I cherish both.

I absolutely adored what Skam Italia did tonight. It made me feel so happy, so comforted, so HOPEFUL. Word of the day, my friends. HOPE. I am a total cynic at heart but this thawed my cold cold heart. My god.

Quite a few of you inexplicably asked for my thoughts. Can I just say first off how much of a gorgeous experience it is sharing this show with you all. Thank you for all of the kind messages you’ve sent me. Not a single one goes unnoticed. Now, RAMBLE TIME with extra sprinkles of emotion. You thought the others were long... this post is enormous. Blame the gin. 

SO THE OPENING. As I’m a sucker of going through the entire clip bit by bit... THE SONG. I love Enya. I love her Emmanuel album but this song is BEAUTIFUL. Come All Ye Faithful is a beautiful song. Lyrics wise... well, just catch me sitting with teary eyes because we’re with Marti after a really rough week. He’s confused, he’s upset, he’s not sure about his situation with his dad, he misses the boy he loves....

The fact the lyrics are “joyful and triumphant” and talk about faith. How many times have we spoken about how so many of the scenes this season are full of ‘joy’? I’ve used that word so many times I’ve lost count. To have this beautiful song as a backdrop is special.

The whole thing is just so damn pretty. AGAIN, Ludo with the dreamlike sequences that somehow still manage to seem so real. He’s got a gift that guy for this stuff. 

Just a little moment of appreciation for Marti in his beanie hat and little scarf... and a little glimpse of his button up blue shirt. Oh my favourite blue boy. In a way I don’t even mind if they don’t have him wear different colours by the end of the season. I hope he DOES because #metaphors but I think I’ll miss his blue shirts. 

The fact that Marti is searching for his father’s house. It’s really sad to me because this is a first. He hasn’t visited, he has no real connection with his dad anymore, his dad has well and truly moved on. They’re so separate and Marti’s about to step into their world. He’s brave (we know this) and he’s trying but it’s so sad to see him as an outsider here. 

The Christmas lights are SO BEAUTIFUL aren’t they? The entire stretch of little pathways and arches and tunnels lined with fairylights and baubles... it’s stunning and Marti is doing what he ALWAYS does.... observing. HOW MANY TIMES have we seen him do this? The skeleton. The Radio booth. Nico’s room. Time and time again, he observes his surroundings. He’s an intelligent kid and he reads the room even if he is also utterly useless. It’s what we love though, right?!

And then the moment comes when he sees his father and his father’s new family. It’s how Marti described them. It was very much a bitter ‘us and them’ with Marti effectively feeling replaced by a new boy in his father’s life. What a sad idea for Marti to be holding onto, to be upset by and to carry around with him. 

I LOVE that Marti then still chooses to observe. He doesn’t want to step inside just yet because he’s new here, he’s not part of this that he sees in the window. It’s all warm and cosy and VERY familial. It’s a family preparing for a visitor. It would be painful for ANYONE to see, never mind a son and in the circumstances he’s in but Marti watches and initially you can SEE the sadness in his eyes. That killed me. 

You can practically hear his thoughts of ‘we could have been that’. What a terribly sad conclusion to come to BUT.....

and this is where the BUT is so important. Marti is BRAVE and KIND and STRONG and he continues to watch. and because he does, he sees a little boy.

It’s when Marti’s heart is fully on show. We KNOW he has a beautiful heart but when he looks at that boy and smiles, I could barely see the screen for crying. That’s compassion. Marti sees an innocent boy, someone who isn’t connected to any of the mess his father caused and who is happy and content and clearly living a lovely life and Marti’s smile. It’s so genuine, so so genuine. He’s not bitter or jealous or anything. There’s this sweet and blameless kid who is the epitomy of innocence living the life that Marti may have had but had taken away from him but Marti is happy for him.

There’s this overwhelming feeling of separation still, of Marti being an outsider, of literally looking through glass into their home... but it doesn’t feel bitter and sour anymore, it feels contented and accepting. Marti seems like he genuinely made peace with it all in that moment and THAT is something I didn’t expect them to be able to do. We didn’t see Marti’s dad explain or them hash it out, it wasn’t needed. Marti just realised that it doesn’t pay to keep the bitterness in his heart because he has learned about love and acceptance and how you need to forge your own way and seeing him realise this was so utterly breathtaking. 

He receives Nico’s text (drowned in the BLUE light from his phone) and takes one last look in the house and there’s this sense of being settled and drawing a line and if that’s not the most comforting thing in the world. Marti is brave and strong. He has grown up and learned what is important. 

That walk away from his father and his father’s new family towards Nico and the other people in his life is so powerfully symbolic. It’s often said about LGBT folks, that ‘found families’ are key and truly important and we’ve seen so many elements of that with Marti. Gio is his mamma and papa bear, his warm heart, his support, his best friend, the guy who’ll have his back at every turn and will always check in on him and give him advice. Filippo is a new friend but someone who will call Marti out, will educate, will advise and is confident in himself and his feelings that he helped Marti find that same feeling in himself. Fili is a confidant, a person removed from all the nonsense who Marti trusts and who has shown time and time again that he’ll show up and be someone that Marti can turn to. That element is so strong here because Marti KNOWS now, through all of his time these past months what is important but more crucial, WHO is important. His boys. Gio. His mamma. Filippo. Nico. He’s choosing them DESPITE everything. He has come to realise that they are worth it and he can’t be without any of them, has come to appreciate people in his life and know how vital it is to keep them close.

The second part of this season was always going to be about Marti learning about mental illness and, along with that, learning about himself and how he is NOT his father, how is strong and capable of being so caring and of giving love. This clip is ABSOLUTELY, start to finish, a representation of that and it made me so emotional to see that the hopes I had for where the season would go became reality in such a beautiful way.

So Nico’s message. Oh god, my sweet sweet boy. Yes, there are elements the same as Even’s but that ONE sentiment, of being alone or feeling alone, is key to both seasons and I am really pleased they kept the same sentiment because if that’s the ONE key message that any remake of this season gives to the young people in its country.... that can ONLY be a good thing.

I love Marti’s face when he reads the message because it’s of pure emotion. 

Nico stating in the first part so clearly that suicide and death is not what he’s thinking of was MASSIVE. That’s the biggest starkest difference here because we’re told IMMEDIATELY “don’t worry”. This isn’t a mad dash to save someone back but a rush to prove and receive love. 

I love that Nico, in that message, showed his abilities to be clear with his feelings, to tell someone how he is feeling, to clarify his situation. GOD. That made me weepy. All he wanted was someone to listen to HIM and here he is telling Marti his feelings. Clearly. Like a freight train, my friends. ALL OF THE EMOTIONS and none of them I’m capable of controlling because GOD. Then the fact that Nico tells Marti more of his thoughts - “I’m thinking about you. I’m thinking about how I’m in love with you and that I’ve never felt before what I feel for you”.

I cried. Full on sobbing. Because Nico is taking his opportunity to TRY with someone his new approach at telling people how he feels and GOD IS HE INCREDIBLE AT IT. And then he breaks my god damn heart with “I think you won’t believe me”. Because there is the doubt. There’s his caveat in case he needs it. He’s a product of his experience and experience has told him that people won’t believe his words. I made a whole other post on that one lines because it hit me like a ton of bricks. 

Then we get the part that is very similar to Even’s text but I’m pleased they kept it in because it directly relates to the idea of not being alone. They changed the ending though and god does it fit perfectly. Nico still finds inspiration in the Last Men on Earth idea, THEIR IDEA, and because he’s feeling melancholy, he sees that everyone is an island, everyone is effectively alone. Marti knows better though. Dr Spera helped him see that. We need people around us. We need to learn to accept people into our lives. This sentiment strikes strong with me because I’m terrible at this. I keep people away a lot so this is so important for people to hear.

The idea what Nico has been standing there and his romantic heart has been imagining Marti out there as one of the twinkly lights.... and we see Marti SURROUNDED by them. It’s like they’re together without being, like Nico can see him. UGH beautiful sentiment from a beautiful boy.

So there’s this serene moment, beautiful decorations, warm colours, stunning swelling music.... it’s all Christmassy and full of a very specific feeling because it’s the one we needed at the time but then Marti runs... and he leaves that place and ends up in one of his very own. AND ITS SO BLUE. Ah. *happy sigh*

Now, I know some people weren’t sure about the change but I LOVEDDDDDDD it. This is no dash to save someone who may be hurting themselves. THIS IS A GAME. Marti smiles and he’s not upset or worrying. 

We got what we expected. Chicco Rodi came through for us and I was grinning from ear to ear at my screen when Marti found the tutorial!!!!!!! He remembered. It’s another of their “things”, an amazing little thread that has extended throughout the story from first meeting to when they were heartbroken and Marti REMEMBERED, knew he’d need the tutorial to get in. 

The fact we join Marti on what is effectively a little treasure hunt is just PERFECT. It is a complete antithesis to the original. This is joyful and the music is PERFECT because not only have we heard this SO MUCH (trailer rewatch 500000000) but it’s full of suspense and you’re so WITH Marti on his little trek.

 AND THEN. Look, I had to watch this final scene three times before I could see all of the details properly because after the first watch I was sobbing. If you’ve read any of my posts, I keep going on and on about how soothing and comforting the final episode is of this story. It’s the MOST WONDERFUL thing. It’s just exactly what the story needs, what the characters deserve, what the audience are desperate for but ultimately, it teaches people about HOPE. 

There is no word better to describe this moment than hope. Marti is successful on his little treasure hunt and finds Nico where they first talked and connected, on THEIR balcony that Nico has really loved the idea of since they met. It’s dark and the lights of Rome are in the background and COULD IT BE MORE ROMANTIC (ala Chandler Bing). Good lord. Ok, I’m ruining the mood. 

I think the ONLY want to talk about this scene is by talking about every single action because there are very few words in this moment but SO MUCH SAID. An overwhelming amount actually.

The first shot we see of Nico is him just standing staring out at the world and Marti smiles because THERE HE IS. 

We’ve said time and time and time again that Nico’s all about the subtext in the past, all about the metaphors and talking AROUND stuff wheres Marti likes the LITERAL approach. He needs to be clear. Nico is now learning he’s able to be clear and as soon as he is, Marti understands. 

I have NEVER, so far this season, seen Marti so SURE and CONFIDENT than how he is in this moment. That walk towards Nico is so bold and brave (that should be Marti’s tagline) and with so much surety. He KNOWS what he wants and now he knows that Nico feels for him something special and that he didn’t need to doubt, nothing else matters...except making Nico understand how Marti feels. AND HOW BETTER TO DO IT THAN TOUCH FOREHEADS because they have so many “things” at this point, Marti needs a list. I love that Marti’s the one to hold them together, to take control here. 

The thing that strikes me the MOST about the entire scene is that Marti smiles throughout. He doesn’t stop. He shows Nico how happy he is that they’re together, how happy Nico makes him, how Nico can have faith and doesn’t need to worry or feel upset. Marti is SO NATURALLY COMFORTING and god if I haven’t been saying I’ve been waiting for this for so long... and he proved me right. He’s amazing at it. 

Nico looks small. He looks defeated, ashamed, sad, embarrassed, guilty, damaged and so many other painful things. It’s difficult to see him cry and feel unable to look Marti in the eyes. That’s HEARTBREAKING. 

AND THE SONG. “My blood spills as RED FOR YOU”. Come on, man. Give me a break from the indescribably lovely metaphors. RED. Again.

Marti continues to smile, wipes his tears and you can hear the “it’s ok, I’m not mad, you don’t have anything to be ashamed of or feel guilty about, it’s ok”. Nico still can’t look up and it’s so sad to imagine that this is how he has felt with others at such difficult times.... and perhaps they might not have reacted as Marti did. 

Marti kisses his tears. He kisses his actual tears. Just like Nico kissed his heart. Marti’s trying to say all he can with his kiss. I could cry, it’s so beautiful. 

Nico’s response almost took my breath away because he half smiles and looks genuinely grateful and shocked but shakes his head and continues to look down. How damaged by people’s responses has this kid been? But also, he’s off the back of a very difficult time and you can feel the “I don’t deserve this” radiating out of him. But Marti doesn’t stop and never stops smiling. 

Haven’t they ALWAYS smiled non-stop around each other?! 

I can’t handle how Marti continually stroke’s Nico’s skin, is so gentle and tender and soft in his touches. He’s INCREDIBLE AT THIS. 

AND THEN HE MADE ME CRY HARD because that “please look at me” tilt to Nico’s chin was one of Marti’s defining moments to me because that’s BOLD. He’s confident and sure and is getting his god damn point across to this beautiful boy in any way he can. He flat out refuses to let Nico do this to himself so he gently raises his eyes so they can look at each other and kisses him only once. 

That tiny kiss is like a “yes you do deserve this, stop that” which seems to register somewhere in Nico because he doesn’t lower his head, he keeps looking into Marti’s eyes and the next kiss is “i love you” if ever I’ve seen it. 

And that’s what gets the smile out of Nico. That tiny barely there smile. 

Marti telling Nico he’s not alone is so important, not only because it’s the defining moment in this story but because that is one of Nico’s greatest fears. He told Marti so early on, he explained how he felt about being alone and feeling alone and he couldn’t even pretend to be a Last Man in his mind because Marti had to be there with him.

And GOD Rocco. The acting. The nuanced, subtle, genuine acting. The way Nico looks absolutely filled with gratitude and love and appreciation and magic for this boy in front of him. He looks truly in love with Marti. I believe it. The way Nico reaches up and takes Marti’s hands and holds them there gets to my heart in ways I’m not sure I’ve experienced for a long long while. That’s love, so so so much love in his eyes and the kiss to Marti’s lips was like a “thank you”, the sweetest but most meaningful kiss. It doesn’t come lightly from Nico at all because no doubt, from what we know, he hasn’t experienced much of this before and there’s an overpowering amount of gratitude here for who Marti is.

I think that cuddle soothed my soul. Genuinely. 

The way Nico closed his eyes into it. The way Marti did the same but then opened them. He’s not missing a moment, he’s got stuff to ensure here. He’s so present in the moment and in his almost FIERCE pursuit of caring and loving. When I said I was waiting to see Marti show what he was capable of, I knew he’d be WONDERFUL because we’ve said so often how brave and clear he is with his words and actions but I am so proud of him. He is a natural at loving someone. 

And just the fact that Marti still doesn’t stop stroking Nico’s hair and holding him tighly as the lyrics say “and I would see your heart”. 

HEART. Coffee hearts. Kisses to hearts. Brain far away from the heart. Marti sees it, he understand. 

Help. It’s so gorgeous. I’m struggling at this point with words.

No words required. Beautiful. Start to finish a mini rollercoaster of moments with such unique atmospheres and feelings behind them but ALL OF THEM so important to leading Marti into episode 10 where the he ties up his loose ends and can spend time CARING and LOVING and APPRECIATING. 

I can’t wait. Just that shot of Nico so cared for and cuddled so tightly in the arms of the person he loves was just too much for my cold dead heart to handle. I adored it all... can you tell?  

(Just warning now, Minutt for Minutt was hands down one of the most important clips for me personally from the original and although I’m not expecting it to be all that similar, if Marti and Nico’s version comes even close to how the original made me feel, I shall be a wreck tomorrow in the best way. Yey for tomorrow!)

#skam italia #this is huge and i cried #enjoy #ep9 #nicotino #thoughts etc #THOUGHTS POST