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anderscim · 9 months

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✦ another (even wilder) theory with bagel

similar to my teruko theory, this one also has a lot of room for rebuttal. to be honest, a lot of the evidence i have for this is quite flimsy (_ _;)

this theory is mainly about mai akasaki’s connection to the cast, and how it relates to the killing game in general.

take this with a grain of salt as always

//spoilers for up to chapter 2 part 1 of drdt

//additional spoilers for bonus content, such as the bonus episodes and the new “literature girl insane” MV

there shouldn’t be any tally5 spoilers if i’m not wrong ( ・∇・)

here’s one question i have for you all: how many members in the cast, right now, actually know mai akasaki?

it’s definitely implied in the bonus episodes and the quotes on her character page that she’s connected with everyone in the current cast, but there was a paradox i noticed—if it even is one, that is (-.-;)—that led me to think that this question…may actually be a lot more complicated than it seems.

let’s bring up the bonus episodes first. min’s bonus episode is definitely during their time at hope’s peak. they’re literally at the school, studying about it, discussing min’s “role” as an ultimate compared to the other students, etc. basically, many details point to min and “unnamed classmate” (who is presumably mai, based on the flowers in the dialogue box of the bonus episodes matching up with those on mai’s tattoo) being students of hope’s peak academy in the united states. though there’s no physical evidence or exact basis for this, i would personally like to think that xander’s bonus episode is placed during spring break at the academy. he is talking to his “classmate,” after all—and in that case, it would also chronologically line up with min’s (whose bonus episode takes place a week before spring break).

presumably, the other bonus episodes will follow a similar pattern, and we will see mai/UC talking to other members of the DRDT cast to get to know them more. i will assume this means that the whole cast, not just min and xander, have been to hope’s peak before—and attended class as students there. after all, it would be the only way the bonus episodes would make sense.

however, the dialogue from the first few episodes of the series suggests something else.

as implied from the dialogue, all of the students believe they are only entering the entrance ceremony of hope’s peak as freshmen, and had no previous affiliation with the school. including xander.

obviously, this means that at the very least, their memories have been tampered with to remove anything regarding their experience at hope’s peak academy.

— sorry, very quick side tangent (*'▽'*) going by this theory, if the drdt cast genuinely went to hope’s peak, it’s very likely that they had to do a bunch of paperwork and submit a lot of information for their enrollment—which probably includes medical information and any accommodations that were necessary for their well-being. additionally, if we assume that the cast attended hope’s peak for a year or a few years, it’s likely that whoever the mastermind is, they had the time to know the rest of their classmates well enough to be able to identify their preferences either way, this would actually be a pretty strong explanation as to why many components of their environment seem to be extremely fine-tuned to their preferences and necessities, despite no recollection of sharing that information with anyone involved in the killing game. though i bet this was already obvious, i felt like it was something i probably should bring up.

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in that case, however—how would it affect their memories with mai?

as i can’t exactly speculate for the other students, i’m going to trace back to what i know. at the very least, it seems to be implied that min only met mai after being admitted into hope’s peak academy. min essentially drove her entire life around schoolwork, and studying for the “ultimate contest for eminent students,” the test that allowed min to receive her title—it’s likely that before then, she never surrounded herself with friends nor had any time for herself to explore her own hobbies. which probably means that she wasn’t acquainted with mai before enrolling into hope’s peak.

her backstory is really sad, by the way. i really wish she lived longer ( ´△｀)

as for when it comes to the other characters, i would like to remind you that hope’s peak scouts across the country for their students—so it’s more logical to assume that many of them resided in hometowns that were very far away from each other. so unless mai’s talent was the ultimate traveler or something, i think it would be very improbable for her to know everyone in the cast before their admittance into hope’s peak.

taking this into account, and assuming that the cast’s memories of hope’s peak were completely erased, there’s a possibility that the cast doesn’t remember mai akasaki, despite her connections with them. the only exception would be teruko, who clearly remembers mai—and seems to have been helped by her when enrolling into the academy in the first place, pointed out by this theory here by @laly-481.

…or at least, that’s what i thought at first—until someone decided to kick in the door while holding a new music video.

i guess in that case, the biggest question i should answer is this—why does david remember mai?

getting into very, very wild theory territory here. take what i’m about to say with a grain of salt assuming that the music video is really a reflection of david’s worldview and thought process, please ignore the fact that i’m acting like the antithesis of occam’s razor right now, then there’s no reason for mai akasaki to be featured in the video—much less have a photo of her placed in a wooden frame—if he didn’t remember her.

yet, there she is, on the right:

she even has a little description about how she was “someone dearly loved,” which fits perfectly with her character and the secret quotes on her profile page.

this is indicative of the fact that david remembers mai—and knows her well enough to even make an accurate statement about her. but, how?

obviously there’s the simpler explanation of “david knew mai before they went to hope’s peak,” which is of course a totally valid explanation—however, some details about the new music video made me consider a possible, different theory.

a grain of salt? more like, a mountain of salt from here on out

when i was watching the “literature girl insane” music video earlier, i noticed something interesting about this frame:

here, xander doesn’t have his eyepatch. though i’m not throwing away the possibility that this was just a technical error on the artist’s side—personally, this could be a indication that david knew xander before the killing game.

seeing as all of the cast are connected by the unnamed “classmate,” after all, it’s a likely possibility that the current participants of the killing game were originally in the same class at hope’s peak academy. which means, they all probably knew each other before this whole killing game went down.

in an earlier theory, i talked about how xander may have been the person in the opening prologue cutscene, and how he probably had his eye injured at that time. given that the person speaking during that scene is aware of the killing game (and is expressing their desire to end it), this event likely happened right before the killing game started—otherwise, it would be pretty imprudent for the mastermind to announce it and then wait for an entire month to set up everything, then make everyone fall unconscious, then remove their memories, etc.

what i’m trying to get here is that the cast, had they still retained their memories from hope’s peak, would definitely remember xander with both eyes. however, we know this to not be the case—from his introduction, we all see that xander had already lost his right eye from the beginning of the killing game. therefore, for david to remember xander from before he got his eye injury, he must’ve had at least some partial memory of hope’s peak—otherwise, it would be highly unlikely. this would give a possible explanation as to why the frame of xander without his eyepatch appears in the “literature girl insane” music video. and maybe give a possible explanation as to why david cared about xander despite only knowing him for ~three days. and defended him passionately during the first trial even after a lot of evidence pointed to him attacking teruko.

this also would explain why david remembers mai—assuming they were in the same class, since mai likely had incredibly close connections with the cast (including david), it’s more than likely that david cared about mai and possibly (vaguely) remembered her even after having his memories tampered with.

well, the “no-eyepatch” deduction completely hinges on the assumption that xander didn’t like, take off his eyepatch in front of david like he did with teruko, so i may be completely wrong about this. however, it is interesting that such a small detail was included in the mv.

so is this one:

i don’t know how it is for you guys, but that fork seems suspiciously similar to the fork in the prologue (which i theorized to be the item that caused the injury to xander’s right eye). additionally, the fork literally stabbing the “face” of the clock is… quite symbolic. it may be just me. i’m not sure. (-_-;) though, it could suggest that david remembers that scene—and perhaps knows about the “possible escape” of killing teruko? i highly doubt he was the one who wrote the note (rather i think that was xander himself), but it may account for that 2nd vote for teruko in the first trial.

my personal (unhinged) theory (with really no way to back it up) is that david may have retained partial memories of his experience at hope’s peak—but probably only a little, definitely not all of them. this may explain why he remembers mai and seems to recall xander before his eye injury (despite xander seemingly not remembering that they’ve met before)—but hasn’t called out the true mastermind nor seems to remember an escape yet. also, though his current behavior in the 2nd trial may imply that he’s trying to end the killing game early via wrong vote, i personally think he’s just breaking down and acting suicidal without that objective in mind, based on his actions.

little side note at the end: it would be absolutely amazing (and ironic) if the two people with the most distant character relationships with the rest of the cast (as of now) happened to remember the single person that had the closest relationships to all of them.

minor clarification/add-on: i just realized that i never said this, really sorry about that. m(_ _)m but basically, i don’t think david has any sort of clear memories regarding xander and mai at hope’s peak—rather, when i say “partial memories” i meant more along the lines of “vague nostalgia you can’t quite place.” he might somewhat recognize their faces at most, but likely not any clear sequences of events. and honestly, what i wanted to talk about more in regards to this theory is more about the fact that only teruko (and maybe david) remember mai in the first place—the rest of the cast probably can’t, with the way their memories were wiped.

uh, this was quite the ride. i truly felt like the antithesis of occam’s razor as i was writing this

however—this theory likely has a lot of points that can be argued against, as well as many other possibilities i didn’t consider. please, don’t be afraid to drop them in your reblogs or comments, i would love to read them!

and as always, take this with a (larger than usual) grain of salt

#bagel’s train of thought #drdt #danganronpa despair time #despair time #mai akasaki #david chiem #xander matthews #fangan #fanganronpa #welcome to “i make random connections and lots of assumptions hourly”#this was definitely fun to make though #i’m probably wildly wrong about all of this #…why is this 1.7k words (￣￣)#sorry about that last part by the way. it’s incredibly disorganized #min jeung #(kinda)#(i talked about her a little)

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toasteaa · 19 days

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It might be a little weird for me to say this, but I genuinely think getting back into self shipping/oc x canon shipping has gotten me out of a creative slump I've been in for a little while! I might not be drawing huge pieces all the time, but even little doodles keep me motivated and give me new ideas! I've been trying new things out and picked up new (and old!) hobbies to make more stuff for my ships!

Idk where I'm going with this, I'm just really happy about that today lol

#toast talks #I'm home today cause yesterday sucked and my bdd episode was only made worse at the fact that my hormones were wack #Thank you lunar cycle for always making me feel like trash and then making me feel like the baddest bitch. preciate it 🤙🏾#anyway time to go clean up a bit and make a bagel. THEN I will either draw or work on plushies idk yet

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yuurionviktor · 26 days

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Just witnessed the most stereotypical usamerican interaction where a guy was trying to order a STEAK at a COFFEE SHOP on the grounds that he’s tired of eating same things (bagels) and they serve bagels with grilled chicken which is essentially the same if you think about it

#I couldn’t look away #he was talking to the people at the counter the whole time I was at lunch there #so full 20 mins for sure #then after they refused to make him a steak he asked why are they not accommodating and what licenses do they need #that they don’t already have for making bagels #then he asked what bagels they have #didn’t like how unenthusiastic the staff was about it #told them that they gotta sell it to him if they want him to buy it #also in no way am I saying that all Americans are like that obv it was just SO stereotype fitting I couldn’t believe #I haven’t met many americans in general much less in person

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slightlytoastedbagel · 8 months

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I still don't fucking understand ruikasa

#no because. to be fair I haven't read wonder halloween #but there's just... nothing??? I can see anywhere else in the game #yes they're the troublemaker duo at kamikou but compare that to every other dynamic within wxs #emu and tsukasa have a lot in the main story (as does rui and nene plus they're childhood friends)#emu and rui in later events have the whole thing with how their time together is only temporary #plus autism to autism communication #emu and nene have the gaming event plus you can see how much nene grows to care for everyone but ESPECIALLY EMU #idk maybe it's just me being dumb and being sick of seeing them everywhere but like. I just don't see anything romantic #which is half the argument for qpr polyshow. the other half is just. look at them.#ahhh this may just me being angry about mlm dominating sekai but also I don't have this problem with akitoya soooo #I'm not main tagging this I don't have a death wish #bagel's rambles #if anyone wants to talk ruikasa to me please do if only so I can somewhat understand it #this whole thing was spurred on by the poll yes how could you tell?

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unopenablebox · 3 months

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unfortunately i am covetously watching the eater video that's just a tour of zabars

#is zabar's overrated or good? ny mutuals write in i need to know #while i have recently talked some shit re: nyc i will readily say that the fact that i have effectively no plans to ever spend extensive #time experiencing nyc food is in fact vexing and sad to me #food #box opener #jewish delis here aint shit. as they say.#chicago did have some good options which is how i know everything sucks now #our favorite north side bagel place just stopped being 24hour and it's ruining my brothers whole life #sometimes he needs a half dozen egg bagels and a quarter pound of smoked whitefish at 3am #i do too but i knew what i was getting into when i decided to go to grad school like some kind of idiot

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the-meme-monarch · 1 year

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*Repeating 'I am not immune to propaganda.' while looking at your blog*

GOOD the more people i can convince that scc are actually really charming characters the better i think

#they have Clearly got their own narrative going on chapter 2 #at least twice whne you run into queen scc are in the next room #they are keeping tabs the whole time !!!!!#the specific one i can remember rn is after you meet The Berdly Statue #scc Made that. and then you see them in the next room #OH the other one i think is when they’re selling overpriced bagels? i think queen was in the room before that? was this after noelle was Ju #Just kidnapped or do the bagels bit come after i don’t r #i don’t rmember rn #there are just so many little ties they have to A Lot Of Other Stuff going on in the chapter it just fascinates me #and then they also tell you abt spamton (im fairly certain you met him already when you talk to them in their shop? idr) and then they buil #they built the berdly statue and rebuilt the thrash machine for rouxls #OH AND THEN THEY BUILT THE ROLLERCOASTER TO CATCH YOU? AMD THE MECH FOR THE GIGA QUEEN FIGHT KINDA #they weren’t kidding!!! their main gig is making scrap into machines!!!#I’m just Talking at this point also i saw a theory that the ‘the other thing we made was way cooler’ ‘it was big’ was talking about giga qu #giga queen? which im not sure on. i don’t think they would’ve been proud to have made that if they hate queen #also just how much personality and nuance of their characters you can gleen despite how little they’re Actually Around #the monarch’s court #scc

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rebelband · 2 years

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It's got crunch.

#[art]#[2022]#swt #ssie #|| something small for the last bit of the night...#they both start with s <3 #dunno... both seem fight-apparent & if anything - did you get rocked ?!#++ her sfx for eating a cd bagel and that one time nlle asked kris if she liked metal music #kris w/ cks. cpn w/ rlsei.#names and themes... it kind of works! in my head . but i shan't talk about it here

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mossy-covered-bones · 7 months

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Practicing my asl by signing while i order bagels and coffee

#i know how to say everythinf bagel and ice now #and then was asked to Have A Conversation (which i didnt have signs ready for) so time for more youtube videos #sev rambles #figured its a good habit since if i can get people to sign when theyre talking to me that solves a good deal of the audio processing issues

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tonberry-yoda · 8 months

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can men stop objectifying goths :)

#tonberry talks #tonberry rants #if bro knew what a real goth was he would know my haunted dolls would be after his ass #oh im “spooky” ill show you spooky #my media is interview with the vampire and frankenstein buddy you dont even compare #they look like half eaten bagels and say stuff like “man i really wish i had a goth girlfriend”#nerd emoji lookin ahh #i have had this happen one too many times but was oblivious to it #can i get a girlboss moment in the chat because i will not put up with this #little does he know im an actual vampire #sorry for the rant but my goth girlies will get it #i love you goths out there and i am sending so much love from one spooky friend to another #<3

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bagelbucket · 1 year

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Why the fuck does tumblr look like this now

#1k #sigh #bagel talk time #my famous post threads…..#check notes for the thread #bagels famous threads #SOBBING ->#4k

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spinningbagel · 6 months

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Talking about time speed run any %

Firstly, there are 352 days in a year, three months and six days. The months are based on the three kingdoms/main magic types/the guardians. Because I’m such a creative person but also because of the fact the guardians wanted periods of time where one of the three main elements could be celebrated, each month bringing unique things to the Isles.

The first month of the year, month of the Land is the perfect month to grow a variety of crops, the flora and fauna thrive really well in this season. Days are generally longer than it is in any of the months and nights are typically shorter. Days are warm and sunny more often than they are cold and rainy. It’s pretty much just summer. The month of the land is 119 days long.

The next month, month of the sky is like autumn (fall it thats what you call it) this month is a little colder and windier (a given since it’s the month of the sky) days are kinda split 50/50 in terms of the hours though some days can be shorter/longer than others. The month is a little bit of a mess. The month of the sky is seen as a transition period, going from warmer, sunnier days to windier, colder days. There’s a fine selection of things that grow well in the conditions of the month. This month is 117 days long.

The last month is basically winter, days are shorter and nights are longer, it’s cold, rainy and windy. Storms are most likely to happen in this month than any other. There are a few things that will only grow in this month including a vast selection of colourful flowers. This month is also the shortest, having 116 days in it.

A day in the Isles has 20 hours. What hours are day/night depend on the month. For the month of the land, day is between hours 4-16 so it’s an 11 hour day, which doesn’t seem like a lot but when compared to the other months, it is. (Also I am counting hours 4 & 16 when counting the hours in the day)

The month of the sky has days between hours 5-14, which is a 10 hour day.

And the month of the Sea has incredibly short days, usually going from hours 6-12 which is only 7 hours. It’s not uncommon that people stay up for a few hours during the night during this month due to the short days.

The Isles have six days named after each of the guardians. They are named from the start (end in the case of one of them) of the guardians name plus “ous” added to the end. It’s easier to show so just have a list of the days.

Unious (Uni-ous)

Basious (Basee-ous)

Dragous (Drag-ous)

Nixous (Nix-ous [has the end part of phoenix])

Kraous (Kray-ous)

Hyous (Hi-ous)

Also for those wondering how years work, it starts at 0 and counts up from there. The year the Isles is set in is year 3502

Thats basically the basics of how time and things work in the Isles, I’ve got screenshots of the calendar I’ve made that you can use, includes characters birthdays and the Isles version of new years & Christmas

#Time talk #Yippie #I did get around to doing it!!!#Yayyy!!!#I feel like that clock from dhmis #Anyways #Tomorrow I may try to tackle artefacts #This has been good actually #Talking about one part of the Isles each day or so #It helps me figure things out and gives me something to show you all #aaaaaaaa #bagels rambles #spirit isles

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anderscim · 1 year

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another david chiem-related train of thought (wow i totally am NOT obsessed with him)

huge incoming tangent warning

as well as major ch2 part 1 spoilers

(take this theory with a grain of salt)

just wanted to talk about david’s plan in ch2. though it had a bunch of flaws, it was probably better than any of the other options the group had

okay i’m not a david apologist or anything but let me explain my train of thought—

there’s really only a couple of ways you can take action in a situation like that:

do nothing and all of the secrets get revealed. given the fact that a lot of these secrets are specifically written to incite emotion (trauma, anger, etc) it’ll likely stir a hell ton of conflict all at once as people inevitably scramble to identify who’s secret is whose and will probably lead to a worse predicament

someone actually gets murdered before the deadline. true, the secrets won’t be revealed, but they would be trading a human life, which for obvious reasons can’t work out

everyone reveals whose secret they have, and what they are. we can already know from j/arturo and arturo/eden’s situations that having someone else reveal a secret that you’re holding close to your chest will make people react very emotionally—and will just make more conflict

or, like david’s plan, have everyone reveal what they know about their own secrets. in that case, each person would be able to explain the context behind their secret so there’s less likely of a chance they’ll be confronted for it when it eventually gets revealed, and in some cases trauma dumping can actually be good therapy for some people.

however… that’s about where the benefits end for david’s plan. it’s honestly just as risky as the others; for example, some of the cast have secrets that are horrible and seem irredeemable regardless of context. additionally, there’s cases where people retaliate especially if it’s a secret that the person holds very close to their chest / that they’re really sensitive about. we see as much for a lot of scenes in chapter 2.

but the thing is… though it is incredibly risky, it has a slightly higher chance of working compared to the other methods. in a more “better than the alternatives” sort of context.

even if david recognized that he’d essentially be gambling with this plan, and knew he probably wouldn’t get the best outcome possible (in fact i think he was aware it probably wouldn’t work), he likely decided to ignore that and roll with it anyways—besides, a 5% success rate is better than a 2% success rate.

so really, the only place where he would’ve “lied” was the way he promoted his plan. in order to get the ball rolling, he had to present his argument in a way that made the plan sound foolproof—which, given the holes the plan had, wouldn’t work unless he covered up all the possible risks and convinced everyone to blindly have faith in him.

fortunately, with his speaking skills, he could probably pull that off quite well. which leads to what happened in ep4 onwards

also, i don’t think he could’ve intentionally lied about his secret during that moment (although him slightly modifying it is possible—i’ll explain that later). whit likely never reached out to david about his actual secret so he didn’t know for sure what it was.

but the thing is, everyone else’s secret, though written in a way that took out crucial context and painted them in a bad light, was at least somewhat based on an actual occurrence, portion of their identity, and real information.

david’s secret is the most vague and was written in a way to attack his purpose and what he personally (secretly) believes his actions to entail. but, unlike everyone else, there’s no concrete occurrence, action that he’s done, or any specific detail in that secret that connects him to manipulation. additionally, his is the most open-ended. i’m going to assume guessing a secret like that would’ve been very difficult

given david’s behaviors and dialogue as well as some subtle details about his preferences and such, it’s very likely that he has depression and was desperately trying to hide it in order to keep his optimistic image. so for him, it would make more sense for his secret to be something related to depression—which is probably why he said what he said in episode 4.

that being said, i think he did half-lie a little about what he believed to be his true secret in order to preserve his image.

note how he specifically says “family history of depression.”

this is a really subtle wording detail, but david only claims there was a tendency for depression to run through his family—he never says that he has depression himself.

as a similar example—though this may just be me—if my family has a tendency to develop certain cardiovascular diseases, though it does increase the risk that i may develop the same disease in the future, it doesn’t necessarily mean i have that disease.

david likely used this same philosophy, and by saying that depression “runs in his family,” he’s subtly implying that he doesn’t have depression (though admitting he has a higher risk for it).

and like what i said before, i’m 90% sure he’s actually struggling with depression—but he decides not to admit it here in order to keep his own “optimistic leader” image.

(and don’t get me wrong, i don’t think the family history of depression is a lie—just the way he expressed it was kind of… intriguing for me)

i may be wrong about all of this, especially that last part because that may just be my own overthinking and assumptions influencing me 😅

so as always, feel free to refute literally anything i said and i will listen.

and again, please take this with a grain of salt

#danganronpa despair time #drdt #david chiem #bagel’s train of thought #i swear i’m not a david apologist i’m just trying to find ways to logically explain his actions because i’m a little delulu /hj #but seriously i do not think he’s as manipulative as he presents himself to be in ep11 #anyways. thank you for coming to my ted talk #okay this blog is literally all just gonna be rants about david chiem 😭#i swear i’ll do other characters. i swear #i just like psychoanalyzing david too much #fanganronpa

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