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Close the Door’s 10th Birthday - Q&A
We’re as surprised as anyone, but our little podcast is almost a whole decade old.
To celebrate, we’re going to do an open Q&A episode. You can ask us anything about Jaime, Brienne, the ship, the fandom, the show, the drama, our beefs, GRRM, the podcast itself—whatever you’re wondering about. We’re in the mood to spill some tea! (And maybe drink some stuff.)
The episode will be recorded on 24 March, so please have your questions in before then.
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translannisters · 2 months
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WE ARE BACK (and the next episode should be out with significantly less delay)
Ned reaches peak "I can fix him" with Robert. Loras Tyrell invents One Weird Trick that 8-foot-tall war criminals in service to House Lannister HATE. Tyrion fights a battle (and your hosts fight technical problems). Arya encounters some wizards and a cat that believes in direct action. Chapters: Eddard VII, Tyrion IV, Arya III
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horizon-verizon · 1 year
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🔗 LINK to ShowBiz Article with Podcast Link (in case)...Podcast is the Official HBO Max Podcast for HotD
“I think there’s actually still hope, even with Luke’s death,” Condal said on the House of the Dragon podcast. “The problem moving forward is it’s only so much in Alicent and Rhaenyra’s control anymore. Now we’re dealing with their sons and what we know from history is that war is often fought by the young 16-22 year old angry, testosterone loaded sons of the people that are trying to hold onto their power.”
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We have SEVEN open slots covering House of the Dragon S2 where we are looking for guests to come on the podcast and chat about the weeks episode. DM us if you're interested! And if you were a guest last season, you are more than welcome to come back!
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ilynpilled · 1 year
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the lannister house words absolutely should be “I do not see it”
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daenystheedreamer · 17 days
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if u think more than one, or someone else, add in the tags!
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visenyaism · 5 months
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sure rhaenyra raised the price of a costco hotdog (valid reason to hate) but do believe that aegon ii would pull a iTunes/U2 and force the smallfolk to subscribe to his podcast with logan paul
nah grandpa otto knows too damn well that the entirety of Aegon’s monarchical power is centered around him being an empty vaguely legitimate symbol of a good targaryen king with the sword and the name and the dragon and never ever opening his mouth and letting the people know the things that he has on his mind. they let him record a podcast for enrichment and then larys immediately destroys all copies
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sheliesshattered · 1 year
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"When I was pitching HotD, I actually hired [Gary Gianni] to do a scene from my pilot as a pen and ink drawing to show to HBO as a sort of a proof of concept - bring the thing to life. [...] He did the funeral from the pilot where Rhaenyra's mother is burned by the dragon after the baby dies and she dies. [...] When I initially developed the pilot, Rhaenyra was much younger, so it's a much younger version of Rhaenyra."
-Ryan Condal on his podcast The Stuff Dreams Are Made Of  (via therpf.com and FB)
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sukibenders · 1 month
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tw: mentions of assault
Listen, I get some people may not like Alicent and have reasons for not doing so and all. That's fine, you do you (within reason). However, what is really gross is to use that dislike for her as means to make jokes about her assault, whether through Viserys or Larys, but especially Larys. Like saying things like "oh but she gets to sell feet pics" or take her words of the Targaryens having queer customs (which they do, that wasn't a lie, everyone in Westeros knows they do) and acting like that foot scene discredits her, even though it's very obvious that she's very uncomfortable and that Larys frightens her (there are other scenes that show she does not like him and that he's a creep), all of this is gross. It also paints assault in a joking light, which should never happen. And this is such a disgustingly common thing that I see happen in the ASOIAF fandom for many of the female characters, some who are popular and some who aren't depending on who you ask, that it makes my skin crawl. And another thing, it's even more sinister seeing people who say they stand on the side of feminism, but then make fun of a female character being assaulted. Just say that your "feminism" only extends to the team/characters that you like and go.
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Ok, so, this is probably ridiculous, and I can't believe I have a House of the Dragon theory before it even airs (I can barely believe I have a HOTD theory at all), but...
Since the release of The Princess and the Queen in 2013, and through everything published about the Dance of the Dragons since then (TRP, TWOIAF, F&B), it's known that Daemon and Aemond Targaryen have a lot of parallels. Besides the most obvious point of their names (just move the D, lol), they're both hotheaded, vengeful, kinslayers, brutal and ruthless, excellent swordsmen, more martial and physically active than their kingly older brother who they were nevertheless devoted to... culminating in their final showdown in the Battle Over the Gods Eye, the aging older model vs the would-be "new hotness". Though a major difference is that fandom tends to treat Aemond as far more of a pretentious wannabe, a bad Xerox copy with his marysueish sapphire eye and ooh so hardcore dialogue, generally disliked while Daemon is beloved (or at least opinions are far more split), the Darkstar to his Oberyn.
As for HOTD -- though we have yet to see how normie fandom and newbies will react to these two characters once they both start doing their thing, one thing I've noticed from the trailers is that most new people just cannot tell them apart. I have a friend (with no interest in ASOIAF but who's seen the ads multiple times during his shows) who thought Aemond was Matt Smith in an eyepatch. And Matt and Ewan Mitchell do look remarkably and surprisingly alike.
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That same flat square jaw from the front but cut cheekbones from the side, similar noses and lips, even when in costume the same lack of eyebrows for goodness sake... Well, maybe this is just highly similar Targaryen wigs and makeup, maybe it's just good casting, following the evident show-Targaryen family look. Maybe the showrunners just chose a young actor who looks a bit like Matt Smith and costumed him similarly as a way to hammer home the parallels between the characters. But. What if this casting and costuming means something... more?
We know that one of the in-world text sources of the Dance is the scurrilous Testimony of Mushroom, which claimed that Alicent was no virgin when married, having previously slept with Viserys and even senile King Jaehaerys (which I most thoroughly doubt, that's just Mushroom's typical slander). We know that Otto Hightower detested Daemon, all the sources concurring, if no reason given except perhaps "Lord Flea Bottom"'s known behavior. We know that per interviews etc, in the show Daemon is said to have a complex relationship with his brother Viserys, loving yet jealous. We know that, well, HBO is HBO, as bad as Mushroom, and loves to add sexy scandalous scenes for water-cooler and social media buzz, even if they're claiming it won't be so bad and blatant as GOT with HOTD. So... what if, in the show, there's some kind of... incident, between Daemon and Alicent, a seduction or maybe, um, not the greatest level of consent, and then a little bit of time and Alicent tells Viserys she's pregnant again? Perhaps there won't be anything overt, nothing ever said, just implied via nasty looks and snatches of dialogue... but what if? There's no Maury Povich or DNA testing in Westeros...
Mind you, a big flaw in this theory is that in the books, Daemon was absent from court from late 105 to 111 AC, either on Dragonstone or in the Stepstones, and Aemond was born in 110 AC. But we already know that HOTD's adaptation is playing a bit with timelines, making Alicent and Rhaenyra about the same age whereas Alicent was 9 years older in the books. We don't yet know how they might tweak the ages of their children -- though from the trailers and behind-the-scenes videos, Aemond seems to be far closer to the ages of Jacaerys and Lucerys (in the Vhagar incident scenes they all look 10-12-ish, rather than 10, 6, and 5, and the actors are 12, 13, and 8). And imagine-- the parallels (not just between Daemon and Aemond, but Alicent and Rhaenyra), the greek tragedy levels of irony... it would be amazing.
So. I suppose we'll see. This could be completely crack, based on nothing more than the somewhat similar appearances of actors cast as uncle and nephew. But if it does go down that way, if show-Daemon has a son he could never ever acknowledge... don't say I didn't warn you.
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quaithe · 2 months
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this is random but i know i have asoiafhead followers so. if you like asoiaf and kindaa wanna reread it but dont actually wanna, you should listen to notacast podcast where they analyse every chapter one by one its very good and really makes you appreciate the series
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Spoilers, profanity, Jaime x Brienne. Game of Thrones. A Song of Ice and Fire. ASoS Samwell IV
Close The Door And Come Here - ASoS Samwell IV
Sam is back at the Wall where George knows nothing about breastfeeding and they're convening the equivalent of the papal conclave to elect a lord commander. We consider questions such as: is life with Craster enough training to survive Randyll Tarly? And just what does freezer burned mammoth taste like?
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translannisters · 6 months
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Bran starts his (and our) journey of discovering the inherent transfemininity of direwolves. Ned starts his murder mystery arc but is sidetracked by the worst threesome prospect in history. Samwell Tarly has been here for one chapter and is already 1: the thematic heart of ASOIAF and 2: the character who makes two irony-poisoned Homestuck-poisoned Freud-poisoned podcasters get appallingly earnest and emotional for an hour. https://theshieldhall.wordpress.com/2021/09/07/if-it-is-chains-you-want-samwell-tarly-gender-and-war/ (by @mummer) Chapters: Bran IV, Eddard V, Jon IV
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Have you heard Eve Best discuss Rhaenys in Episode 09, in EW's Westeros podcast? If so, what did you think to her perspective?
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We're told that Rhaenys is this intelligent "feminist" woman but she, like Alicent, often engages in actions and events merely because her husband wants it: marrying off 12-yr Laena off to a 30+ old man; Baela being made a ward of Driftmark instead of the heir (this is about Hotd's worldbuilding, not the actual logic of medievalist politics or the canon/original world; etc. Yes, the writing is telling us she is criticizing Alicent for buying in or complying with the patriarchal desires of the men around her, but HotDRhaneys does the same so the show really vacuums out any nuance Rhaenys can have by giving us clashing messages about her. Why does Rhaenys not even vocally protest and we are expected to see her as "strong"?
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Both Claire Kilner and Eve Best make it a point to repeat how Rhaenys is “intelligent” and “wanted peace for the realm”.
Since their some of their thoughts do not vary greatly from what I found in other articles online, my thoughts on theirs about why Rhaenys  doesn’t kill all the greens remains the same (Post #1 and #2). I think that Best is defending her character and her writing for the sake of the accusations against her intelligence and femininty because those things would have been called into question AND it’s her job. But I am also sure she either hadn’t read the book where Rhaenys is the one to suggest for the blacks to kill and eliminate the greens OR she does know and is, again, defending her show!character. Unfortunately, it just doesn’t convince me and it didn’t convince others. 
For me, the show presented Rhaenys as putting her granddaughters/her lost daughter Laena’s children above all else, not trusting Rhaenyra because she felt Rhaenyra was responsible for Laenor’s death. to now say that she put any real thought towards Alicent, a person she has ignored or never cared about and had a very different trajectory in life (but not “better” or “worse”) is to be internally inconsistent, rendering the scenes during and after unbelievable and wish-fulfilling. What Alicent is doing is also not actually that exceptional or smart: keeping one member of your enemy close as a hostage to curtail the main one, the leader from attacking you. 
Then Best makes a comparison to Russia and the decisions to not drop bombs. 
The Russia situation is Russia trying to reclaim/destroy Ukraine in an imperialist move of dominance. Alicent and the greens are usurpers, the ones trying to get dominance and power when it wasn’t granted to them. the blacks are really only trying to get back what was already Rhaenyra’s. Alicent invited her own children’s and her own destruction by not inspecting the bigger picture and not getting on the more advantaged side.
Canon!Rhaenys and most persons with the ability to fight in such a feudal world would kill all the greens not just out of anger, but to prevent their ruining her own grandchildren’s lives -- murder, hostages, imprisonment, what have you. You cannot make alike aristocratic warring to present day waring and the preservation of lives, and especially not this civil war because feudalist nobles felt war was necessary for power and protection. 
And why was Rhaenys even there, why didn’t she leave KL with Rhaenyra, since she never cared about any of the greens? How did that make any sense? Whay would she have stayed?
Alicent’s actions also are just copies of Otto and what he  wants to do to get Aegon crowned. In the show, what makes her different is that she supposedly wants to protect Rhaenyra....by again, making it more difficult for her to rule after all the times Viserys refused to remove her, after he stood up for her in episode 8? No, doesn’t make any sense.
Her talk with Alicent only works in the goal to make Alicent seem more worthy to rule or to validate Alicent’s decision to crown Aegon, make her appear more sympathetic and vulnerable and desperate to protect her own family.....but it sacrifices character logic and motivation as well as narrative tension.
Rhaenys “has a great wealth of knowledge, when to speak and not to”. Why wouldn’t Alicent, who has actually lived at court since she was at least 14 and has never left, unlike Rhaenys, who left at 16 to marry Corlys and stayed at Driftmark for most of her life afterward?
Best says they both “understand what it’s like to be living through the appalling treatment, abuse, oppression, the horrors of this patriarchal system”. This is true. It is also true that Kilner says this: “I think one of the most important things was that who controls the dragon? They’ve got this dragon and whilst they got this dragon they think they have all the power and Otto relies on having this dragon.”  Rhaenys has that dragon, and it’s been suggested both here and for greens tans or others that Rhaenys and Rhaenyra do not experience what Alicent experinces. That is being vulnerable because she cannot participate in the masculinized practice of war like they can and thus must rely on other things unavailable to her.
Issues with that:
Rhaenys “learns” from Alicent, as if Rhaenys didn’t already have that ability to tell what she shouldn’t do and should before Alicent comes around, and this is contradictory to their claims of her characteristic intelligence. It is as if Rhaenys takes Alicent’s example of docility and we thus go back to motherhood, but specifically Alicent’s motherhood. Rhaenys is also a mother, now a grandmother. Alicent is working to protect her kids. Why wouldn’t Rhaenys?
Alicent is trying to put on a drunken rapist on the throne. Her “wisdom” rings hollow because of that. Thus, so does Rhaenys’.
Alicent can “see” Rhaenys all she needs to. Doesn’t remove the fact that Alicent is inciting a war that can endanger Rhaenys’ family. And the show’s writers themselves have already stated and written that Rhaenys has “put the past behind her”, prioritizing the now over the past when she tells such to Corlys in a previous episode when he’s angry.
I don’t care for how Rhaenys becomes “like a child” under Alicent’s eyes and then we’re supposed to see Alicent as this wise matriarch. It’s infantilizing, condescending, unrealistic, and has no logical basis with what Alicent is doing. This show just loves to make the men have all the practiced, real power while the women react and just want peace. (reblog/post written by @rhaenyragendereuphoria)
If Best says that both women suffer under patriarchy, why does the idea of Alicent being in worse shape hold strong? (the episode shapes itself toward Alicent’s plight and makes all the moments of Rhaenys and Rhaenyra’s own dismissals lesser than Alicent’s own....meanwhile, Rhaenys married at 16 to a 37 year old Corlys. She was all in in the get-go and always loved him, but Rhaenys would have been a child bride according to green stans AND Show!Corlys continually ignored and brushed aside Rhaenys’s thoughts on how to deal with the Targs. Where is the moral consistency?) All of this makes a logical mess of the claim that Rhaenys could really relate to Alicent.
Rhaenyra was forced to marry a gay man while it would have been much better for her, Daemon, Viserys, etc. for he rto just marry Daemon from the get go. Rhaenyra faced her father blaming her for the news of her virginity getting “taken” and being “ruined”. Viserys didn’t think of Otto manipulating him until she pointed it out. She lost her mother to a final birth for a son who didn’t even live after he own husband had him cut out of her, without Aemma’s knowledge or permission. If this is doesn’t make Rhaenyra or her mother victims of sexism, I don’t know what it.
Canonically, Rhaenys was passed over 2x. Once when she was pregnant with Laena and Jaehaerys chose Baelon. The second when she already had Laenor, yet still was passed over by every Westerosi lord for Viserys. Sexism. At the same time, this doesn’t really compare to Show!Alicent’s marital rape. Like at all. (And in the book, Alicent is both 18 [past the age of majority and in modern American age of consent])  and she definitely wanted to be Queen Consort/to marry Viserys and bear his children. She wanted power. So the writers deliberately write this entire show and the scene to cater to Alicent’s victimhood and her “deserving” to usurp Rhaenyra while having to chang and transfrom the original charcater into a helpless, self-erasing victim who doesn’t use any of the power she does obtain after becoming Queen Consort to make her more “relatable”. And thus, Show!Rhaenys could be argued to actually be even more of a victim, but of the sexist writing of the writers, where she seems more beaten down than “intelligent”.
She talks of a “female equivalent” to samurai and knightly codes of honor. How similar her understanding of Alicent’s motherhood/warrior-dom is to those things, or that in both things there is a determination to protect. however that frequently would conflict with the chivalric element of protecting the vulnerable (women, children, the poor). Secondly, this conflicts other female characters like Brienne of Tarth and Jonquil Darke , who both take/perform knightly duties of protection without motherhood being in the mix. How are we supposed to take them? Is knighthood and being a warrior the same as motherhood? Well, no it isn’t because a knight is supposed to protect soemone they do not have relations to and take oaths/see as their superior. the hierarchy is just not conducive to be compared to parenthood. Thirdly, being a knight/samurai was realisitically more about following the orders of their lord. Codes of honor only went so much in the way of what was pragmatically expedient or personally beneficial. If either woman were “smart”, they’d know this. Neither are Sansa Stark, who frequently and consistently tries to interpret the world through the stories of knightly honor to deny the reality of the Lannisters’ and other persons’ evil. 
Transcriptions of Best and Kilner
Best says of Rhaenys’ escape: 
showed herself to be the greatest possible ruler. In a way it is the most beautiful, the most outrageous action in the season and I think it was the most merciful and the most graceful act because like I said she is so intelligent and chooses to do the right thing, which is not to destroy. It’s a truly forgiving moment. It’s sort of a loving moment in a weird way [...] on behalf of others and herself the urge to destroy is so strong and yet the choice not to destroy becomes even stronger. That’s a mark of greatness. A really inspiring moment, I think. Actually resonant in this context with what we’re going through right now with Russia, the choice not to drop the bombs. It’s the greater choice.
And of Alicent:
she really showed herself. I think Rhaenys had taken her for granted, someone who she didn’t pay much attention to [...] there’s a mutual respect as a result of that scene there. It’s two women who understand what it’s like to be living through the appalling treatment, abuse, oppression, the horrors of this patriarchal system. They see eye-to-eye, they empathize.
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Kilner: She learns so much in that moment. She pushes Aegon behind her and stands to face you. and She’s ready to die.
Best: And she steps up as a mother.
Kilner: Yes.
Best: And it becomes two, and I think Rhaenys sees that and respects that. And the decision to not say “Dracarys” and wipe them all out, it’s an honoring. and you know in the days of knights would fight each other, and samurai, that code of honor it’s so strong. The female equivalent. I bow to you, and I respect you, and I honor you. I choose not to destroy you.
Kilner: [...] People say to me, “who’s side are you on?” And whenever I’m directing Alicent I’m completely on her side. I’m on the side of whoever I’m directing at that moment, but I saw her as a woman born into this terrible patriarchal society where she had no choices and no power, she’s just navigating it in the best way she can but with very few tools. Rhaenys has got so much knowledge that she’s gleaned through the years. she seems to know when to talk and when not to talk. she’s got so much power in her silence, in her action where all these men around her are all pontificating and killing and shouting [...] but she seems to have this great wealth of knowledge. and I think all of that gets imparted brillantly in that previous scene where you and Alicent talk.
Best: [...] I think she sees Rhaenys. The fact that she sees [...] takes Rhaenys’ breath completely away. I think it the first time, almost in her life really, that she feels truly vulnerable and taken aback because it’s like Alicent has spoken directly to her heart. In that moment it feels like the roles are completely reversed and Rhaenys for moment is like a young child. Alicent is the only one who’s seen her.
Bonus: To the question of what Kilner thought of the escape scene, what the showrunners Condal and Sapochnik thought and why they felt this was important to add/change when it wasn’t in F&B:
For me it was there in the script so it always existed in my view. It’s a moment where everything is turned on its head. I think one of the most important things was that who controls the dragon? They’ve got this dragon and whilst they got this dragon they think they have all the power and Otto relies on having this dragon. The fact that Rhaenys emerges with this dragon  [...] leaves them very little to fight with. there was a moment where Otto says either “Open the doors” or “Close the doors” [...] because on the one hand he wants to tame the dragon and get rid of Rhaenys, have the nuclear bomb so to speak. but on the other hand, the dragon stays in there and potentially incinerate them all. Plus, everyone’s dying all around them. I always thought of it as a stampede in a football stadium or a concert  [...] you’ve got to open the doors but the chain of command is lost because there’s such chaos and mayhem and the soldiers keep doing what they’ve been told.
So....these people really don’t know that you can’t "tame" a dragon without there being a free Targ, huh? (It’s made very clear that Nettles was the rarity, Otto had no precedent for believing he could have a rando-non-Targ-descent “tame” a dragon).
You cannot "tame" dragons, you bond with them and they allow you to ride them.
Plus, Rhaenys was still alive, Meleys could never have been “tamed” or claimed by anyone while Rhaenys was alive...which goes back to how Alicent doesn’t know what she’s doing, what’s going on, how Otto has her still deep in his own control and machinations OR how bad the writing is. Since if Otto did try (and he canonically never would) to have Meleys reclaimed, he’d have to kill Rhaenys and just give the blacks justified/public reason to attack him and the rest of the greens.
That this was even considered shows a lack of focus or knowledge on the writers’ parts.
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allovesthings · 8 months
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Since I'm on a hotd/dance of the dragons trip right now, I really wished they slowed down and didn't do that much time skips and built the dance up more. There are so many moments that leads up to it that wasn't in the show.
Also, shout-out to the Unspoiled podcast for covering the show and pointing out the problems I have with it..
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ilynpilled · 1 year
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jaime truly most unhinged individual in westeros bc how does he manage to get a boner even during his old gods provided therapeutic sensory deprivation chamber prophetic trauma dream that happens while he is crossfaded
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