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darklinaforever · 2 months

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Antis' favorite things : Saying that Kylo Ren / Ben Solo is a Nazi. Saying that Severus Snape is also a Nazi / a racist. Saying that Zuko is a colonizer. Saying that Daemon Targaryen is a groomer. Saying that the Darkling is a genocidal. What bullshit. We love seeing people use words wrongly, proving that they don't know the real definitions.

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thehollowprince · 8 months

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If you could erase one (1) Star Wars media (a movie/series/comic/book/other) and no one would ever remember it’s existance. Which one would it be?

Sorry it took me so long to get to this, but u literally went through everything Star Wars that I could think of. The answer is the Sequel Trilogy.

That trilogy (of such loosely connected things could be called a trilogy) was such garbage, from beginning to end. The Force Awakens was one of the laziest movies I've ever seen - literally a beat-for-beat recreation of A New Hope with tiny aesthetic changes. The Last Jedi was a Star Wars film written and directed by a man who doesn't like Star Wars or its fans. And The Rise of Skywalker was... honestly, I don't even know what to call it. That was just a cluster fuck designed to attempt to please everyone but ended up pissing everyone off instead.

So yeah, Sequel Trilogy should just be thrown out.

Which is a shame because I liked the characters. Or, more specifically, I liked the potential in those characters. Finn, Rey, Poe, Kylo, Rose, and even the villains. They could have all been used to such potential, and instead, they were squandered so that Disney could cash in on their attempt at a soft-reboot of a much beloved franchise without putting in any work.

#star wars #anti sequel trilogy #anti the force awakens #anti the last jedi #anti the rise of skywalker

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firealder2005 · 1 year

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not a fix-it but-

ok. so i hate the “somehow palpatine returned” thing as much as the next person, but.

i have a theory.

hear me out.

so. we must assume (i guess *eye roll*) that palpatine has been behind everything (apparently *another eye roll*) and we know in Disney canon, that he was behind Kylo’s fall to the darkside (like we haven’t seen that before, but okay. not.).

and i was thinking about that, and the *intense groan* moment where Luke lit his lightsaber (trying to kill Kylo/it was on instinct/yada yada i don’t buy any of those thank you but moving on!).

and that got me thinking.

we all know in Return of the Jedi, Palpatine was trying to get Luke to kill Vader in anger, right? Because that would cause his fall to the darkside.

Killing his father in anger.

so wouldn’t killing his nephew in fear do the same?

i mean come on. you’re telling me that Palpatine wouldn’t, at least, try to have another go at the #1 Most Powerful Force-User in The Galaxy? Before throwing that card away if it failed again?

so what i’m getting at here is, what if Palpatine was the one who was pushing Luke into killing Kylo/igniting his lightsaber/whichever-the-heck-you-want?

i would buy Palpatine having another go/messing with Luke again over something as dumb as “he tried to murder his nephew” or “iT wAs InStInCt!”.

but then again.

bringing back palpatine was also stupid.

*shrugs* anywho. just a lil’ thought i had.

#alderposts #aldertheories #star wars #emperor palpatine #sheev palpatine #darth sidious #luke skywalker #kylo ren #the rise of skywalker #the last jedi #anti the last jedi #anti the rise of skywalker #return of the jedi #star wars sequel trilogy #anti sequel trilogy #somehow palpatine returned. cloning. secrets only the sith knew!#<--- dumbest thing i ever heard

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audreyii-fic · 4 months

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4 year anniversary of TROS: a social media retrospective

#star wars #the rise of skywalker #anti tros #is anti tros an actual tag? it should be #i have a whole goddamn folder of these things

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samaspic31 · 2 years

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It's so funny to me that Disney even managed to disappoint EVERYONE with the rise of Skywalker. Usually, displeasing a part of a fandom at least means another part is getting catered to. But the rise of Skywalker? Pissed off EVERYONE.

The bigoted fans were mad at the 2 second gay kiss and 2 black characters existing, the anti-racist fans were mad finn's sidelining was continued and rose barely on screen, the gay fans were mad at disney using the gay kiss for marketing while removing it in homophobic countries, and no finnpoe despite both actors and directors agreeing with the fandom that it made sense. The people who hated reylo were mad they kissed, the reylos were mad kylo died. The people who like good villains got palpatine AGAIN. The people who like cohesive stories got a mess of storylines barely holding together full of plot holes (remember that sith dagger in the shape of the death star wreckage?). Aside from lando and wedge, not even that many good cameos. The stakes felt meaningless, a whole planet blew up and nobody gave a fuck because.... it was riddled with criminals? I guess?? The people here just for action scenes didn't get anything extraordinary.

Astonishing how well it frustrated every fucking body no matter what you're watching star wars for

#sam speaks #star wars #sequels #the rise of skywalker #rey Skywalker #poe dameron #finnpoe #anti reylo #for filtering purposes

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nateofgreat · 8 months

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Ahsoka's lost all personality

(Maybe the show's changed this, I haven't seen it yet so I don't know.)

Remember when Ahsoka Tano was first introduced in the Clone Wars? And she was snippy, enthusiastic, determined, immature, reckless, and a bit insecure? How she made mistakes and learned lessons but matured past them as the show continued?

In short, remember when Ahsoka had a personality?

Nowadays, it doesn't seem to matter what happens, Ahsoka's reactions are so bland.

-A twisted Inquisitor's holding an innocent family hostage on a mission to kill her? Ahsoka stares at him blanky then kills him in one move.

-Ahsoka discovers that Kanan died when he was (for her) alive mere seconds ago on a different planet completely? She neutrally observes that Ezra can't save him and tells him to leave him to die in the past.

-Ahsoka just found out Anakin is Darth Vader and was so distraught by this she stayed behind to face certain death? Seconds later (again, for her) she's made complete peace with this and leaves to follow a magic bird instead of helping the Rebellion.

-Bo-Katan the terrorist shows up to recruit Ahsoka to invade Mandalore? "Hey aren't you that terrorist." "Sure am!" "Okay, I trust you."

-Ahsoka reunites with Anakin and Obi-Wan? Meh, who cares, she just wants her army so she can invade Mandalore.

-Corusant, her long time home, is being invaded? Ugh, just stop playing politics and give her the army already you stupid Jedi! (The closest thing to a personality she has left is petulance.)

-Darth Maul tells her the Republic's about to fall and that Anakin's the instrument of its demise? Ahsoka: "..."

-Din Djarin shows up with an ancient Jedi youngling desperately trying to find a Jedi to take care of him? "Yep, that's a youngling alright. Welp, I can't help you. Find another Jedi."

-Din Djarin comes back to visit Grogu at the Jedi Academy (I'd be pretty annoyed if I were him and found her there after she said she couldn't help.)? Ahsoka neutrally tells him to leave because he's interrupting Grogu's training.

-Rey on the verge of death at the hands of a resurrected Darth Sidious, hearing the Jedi call out to her? Ahsoka (who according to Dave is still alive at the time) just goes: "Oh uh, use the Force or something Rey, I'm busy."

-Heck, do we even know how Ahsoka feels about being betrayed by Bariss Offee in canon?

I don't know what happened exactly but Ahsoka isn't fun anymore. I'd be able to stomach a lot of Dave special treatment of her if she had at least still had some life to her character. But she doesn't, not in my opinion at least.

#Star Wars #Ahsoka Tano #anti Ahsoka #anti Ahsoka Tano #Ahsoka Tano critical #Star Wars Rebels #Star Wars Tcw #Star Wars the Clone Wars #The Mandalorian #The Rise of Skywalker

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antianakin · 2 months

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@theneutralmime

Oh this could get long, I don't talk about the sequels often lol. But I recently had to rewatch the entire trilogy as research for the podcast, so I have some more solid opinions on this now, so let's go.

Rey is a character who suffered from a fairly basic set-up in TFA that went exactly nowhere when her trajectory changed in TLJ and they couldn't figure out how to fix it in TROS (and the studio execs came in and enforced certain things to happen because they figured it would make certain fans happy). Rey IS her own character, she's not just like... Luke 2.0 or whatever, but the general set-up of "young hero stuck on their own in their life they can't escape and who ends up forced into an adventure when adventure happens to find them" is... not the most original thing in the world. It can be REALLY GOOD when executed well, there's a reason it's popular, but nothing about Rey was like... insanely original aside from the fact that she was a woman as (one of) the main character(s) in Star Wars films for the first time.

And then Rian Johnson took this pretty basic set-up that everyone understood and went "what if I threw this on the ground and spat on it and crushed it for good measure to be Edgy" and that's how we got TLJ with "Rey Nobody" who somehow already knows everything she needs to know which makes her ENTIRE JOURNEY to go find Luke completely meaningless and shifts the story from being about HER to being about LUKE. It's dumb, it's stupid, and it was bad writing.

Not following the very obvious character arc set up for her in TFA means that Rey as a character vacillates back and forth between motivations and characterizations in each new film. So it's hard to know like... who Rey even IS as a character, what's important to her, what she cares about, why she even WANTS to be a Jedi, what kind of Jedi she'd actually be, etc. In the first film, she's on a very basic journey of learning to let go of the idea that someone will come back for her on Jakku in order to recognize that it's better to find ways to connect with new people than push aside those relationships for one that has already gone. This is why she leaves Finn at the end of the film to find Luke in the first place, she can't let her connection to Finn be what holds her back any more than she could let her connection to her parents hold her back. She has a greater destiny out there to follow that she can only answer if she learns how to let go. In the second film, her entire motivation surrounds saving Kylo Ren for some reason and, as mentioned before, she apparently already knows everything she needs know and doesn't need any training or guidance of any kind which leaves her exactly nowhere to go as a character. In the third film, it's all about figuring out how to connect to the Jedi of the past for... reasons and struggling with the sudden revelation that she is Palpatine's granddaughter and therefore has extra capacity for darkness in her or something.

There's nothing consistent about her across the three films which leaves Rey and her story just... in the dust. She could've been a perfectly good and enjoyable hero character had they just let her follow the path she was set up on in TFA, and instead we got... the mess she became. I LIKE Rey, I think she's occasionally fun and I like the relationship she has with Finn and Poe in TROS, but she got absolutely SLAUGHTERED by this trilogy.

But that is NOTHING compared to what happened to Finn.

Finn is unarguably the most interesting and unique character introduced in TFA. A stormtrooper deserter with the potential to be Force sensitive AND the main love interest for the other main female character? A stormtrooper who could become a JEDI, the clear potential for a stormtrooper rebellion, the parallels and connection between Finn and Kylo that so clearly demonstrated that theme of choice (with Finn being someone raised in darkness who chooses selflessness and compassion anyway vs Kylo who was raised in light with all the support and resources he could ask for and still chooses selfishness and darkness), the possibility of having true CO-LEADS for the first time with Finn and Rey as like two halves of one hero with the romance being there to lift them BOTH up rather than relegate one of them to the side. The potential here with Finn was LIMITLESS, it was INSANE.

And ALL OF IT got squandered. Every last ounce. Finn got COMPLETELY sidelined in TLJ, separated from all of Rey's storylines and replaced by Kylo Ren, his Force sensitivity was not further explored, the entire story with the rebellion could've been what jumpstarted his stormtrooper rebellion plotline and instead he got thrown off into some weird casino c-plot bullshit to try to thrust him into a new romance that wasn't with Rey, and he was just constantly being physically hurt by other characters as though it was a joke of some kind. TROS attempted to bring SOME of it back by having him going on more missions with Poe off-screen, allowed Finn, Poe, and Rey to be an actual trio with a relationship together, and hinted at the Force sensitivity more than once. But by the time TROS came around, the damage had been done and it couldn't manage to come back from that, so Finn ended up developing nowhere in that film and does basically nothing but follow around Poe and Rey wherever they go, more sidelined than ever but at least he's not constantly being hit and he IS still involved in the main storylines in a way he wasn't in TLJ.

The options were all SO GOOD for Finn and we got resolution for exactly none of them and because of how badly John Boyega and his character got treated, we'll likely never get any real resolution for his character EVER because he is understandably not going to come back to Star Wars after this. I haven't yet forgiven Rian Johnson for the choices he made in TLJ that ruined Finn.

I actually like Kylo best in TFA because I think, much like everybody else, that's where we see the real potential for what the character could've been. Kylo in TFA is really set up to just be "another Anakin" where he went dark but can still be saved by the love of the father/son bond and then he ISN'T. They set the audience up SO HARD for that eventuality, for Kylo to be secretly not as evil as he seems, for him to be someone who can be saved like Anakin was saved, so you're sitting there expecting that to happen during that scene on Starkiller Base with Han, which is why it comes as such a shock when he kills Han anyway and turns the ENTIRE NARRATIVE on its head by telling you that Kylo IS NOT ANAKIN and isn't going to be saved the same way if he can be saved AT ALL (and it's heavily implying he CAN'T BE SAVED). TLJ basically just redid this entire narrative from TFA all over again except with Rey and the dyad, but because they did it with Rey and the dyad, there ended up being a bunch of people who ended up VERY invested in Reylo as a thing and so the studio then caved to that in TROS and saved Kylo despite that never being in the original plan according to Adam Driver.

And I think it would've been kind-of interesting to have this character who seems like he should be able to be saved like Anakin, but not everyone CAN be saved, not everyone WILL ultimately make better choices when given the option, some people are just going to double down on their darkness and commit to being evil. I like the subversion of expectations from what we were given with Anakin, the way he's like the inverse of Anakin in so many ways and looks up to "Darth Vader" as a role model of sorts without ever understanding the choices Anakin actually made, both good and bad. And if TLJ had actually, you know, expanded upon what TFA had already established instead of just saying the exact same thing all over again, maybe we could've gotten a more interesting story out of his character.

Which leads us to Luke and his role in "creating" Kylo. Here again we get what seems to be a lack of agreement between the people in charge about what this story was supposed to be and say. TFA sets up that Kylo is making his own choices, he's not brainwashed, and his primary problem seems to be with his parents. TLJ then turns around and says it was all LUKE'S fault, that Luke had a moment of weakness and it threw Kylo into a fury he's never come back from, but Luke's mistake is what ultimately led to everything that followed. And like... this isn't Luke. Maybe some people really enjoyed seeing Luke be this broken old man who just makes the same mistakes over and over again, but this wasn't Luke to me. I don't buy that Luke had an instinct that caused him to ignite a weapon in response to feeling the darkness in his nephew's mind, something he's only feeling because he's literally INVADING HIS NEPHEW'S MIND AS HE SLEEPS. There is nothing about his choices here that are in line with anything we knew about Luke from the Original Trilogy. Luke would never do this to someone he cared about, he just wouldn't.

The movie's insistence on making Luke into this broken beaten old man is also, as I mentioned above, a massive mistake because it turns the story in TLJ from REY'S journey into LUKE'S journey. Rey isn't the one who has to learn things and develop in this film, LUKE is. LUKE is the one who fucked up, LUKE is the one who lost hope, LUKE is the one who has to be taught a lesson about what it means to be a Jedi in the end. Rey does shit all in this film.

It also moves the focus away from it being KYLO'S CHOICES that led to what he's become to this weirder story about how Luke screwed up and has to fix it by... trusting that Rey already has it covered I guess? Instead of focusing on how Kylo made selfish choices and what actually PROMPTED those selfish choices despite all of the support he had and the legacy of his parents and the way that that parallels the choices being made by Rey and Finn, it focuses on LUKE, someone whose story has ALREADY BEEN TOLD. Kylo ends up a little bitchass victim in this instead of a character who is making clear and concise choices, something that was established when he killed Han in TFA, so his choice at the end of TLJ when he kills Snoke and takes over as Supreme Leader doesn't have the same impact when we've already see him make that choice in the climax of the last film. It's redundant and walking back the choice from TFA sort-of undoes everything that it's trying to say about the character and makes TLJ's conclusion feel wishy washy. Is he a tragic victim who has to be saved, or is he a villain who just needs to be eliminated? It's unclear by the end of TLJ.

Luke's role in "creating" Kylo was stupid on so many levels, both structurally and in terms of character. It never should've happened and it's an insult to who Luke is and has been to this story and I haven't forgiven Rian Johnson for THIS choice either. TROS does attempt to fix this and walk it back, as well, but much like with Finn, the damage was done.

So as far as I'm concerned, TFA is a solid film with a really interesting concept of taking a premise we all think is predictable and then subverting those expectations pretty intentionally, but the other two films are a complete and utter mess that aren't worth the 10ish hours of my life they have taken from me by watching them each twice now. There's a few fun moments in TLJ and TROS but I can't say that either film is like... a good or enjoyable film overall.

#star wars #sequel trilogy #the last jedi #the force awakens #the rise of skywalker #rey skywalker #finn #finn star wars #finnrey #luke skywalker #anti kylo ren #anti kylo #kylo ren critical #kylo critical #ben solo critical #anti ben solo #anti reylo #reylo critical

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short-wooloo · 4 months

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With the news from Adam Driver about how kylo redemption was never the plan originally and his story was basically meant to be reverse Vader, I'd like to resurrect an old conspiracy theory of mine about Rise of Skywalker

So the duel in the ruins of the death star, y'know how it ends with Rey stabbing kylo and then she heals him?

Well I believe he originally was meant to die there, Rey killed him in anger, and it causes a breakdown in her, she's upset not only that she failed Leia and couldn't redeem kylo, but also terrified by her anger, scared that she truly is a Palpatine, and from there we get our pep talk from Luke and final battle with Sidious

Basically I think Rey healing kylo was a last minute addition to the script (probably at disney's insistence)

And the rest of the film doesn't exactly prove me wrong

How does kylo get to exegol after Rey took his TIE fighter? Well apparently in the exploded, sitting in water for 30 years ruins of the death star there's not only a functional imperial TIE, but one with a hyperdrive too

What does kylo do upon reaching exegol? Fight the knights of Ren, something Rey herself could do or perhaps even better you could have had the Knights fight Finn, Rose and the Resistance soldiers

Does kylo meaningfully contribute to the final battle with Sidious? Not really, he gets drained of his life force by Sidious (so basically he inadvertently helps him) and is thrown down a hole for the rest of the battle, Rey does all the heavy lifting from there

The only meaningful contribution kylo makes after his "redemption" is sacrificing himself to revive Rey, which may not have even needed to happen because the only reason she was so drained is because kylo being there caused Sidious to realize he could absorb both of their life forces to restore himself (so in a way, it's his fault!) Alternatively it could have just been written that Rey passed out due to exhaustion and was otherwise fine

So yeah, that's my conspiracy, not that crazy, perfectly reasonable from my perspective

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fabulousprancingtrashstallion · 2 years

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#reylo #anti the rise of skywalker

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theweeklydiscourse · 7 months

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i didnt understand why reylo got too much and i wish finnpoe should canon and i wish john should stop defend tros

When you look back at the way Reylo was received back in 2016-2019, the whole uproar it caused was kind a insane for such a tame ship. You would think that Rey and Kylo brutalized one another beyond recognition with the way people were describing it People seriously treated that ship like it was some kind of fandom bogeyman and it was an object of mockery and contempt for years. You had people calling Reylos abuse apologists, school shooter apologists, and “the sort of people who would endorse fascists” over a couple from a Disney franchise.

As for finnpoe, I really hate the fact that it never had a chance of being canon. And if that wasn’t enough, both Finn and Poe got respective love interests in TROS who both had about as much personality and charm as a cold slice of untoasted bread. TROS was an atrocity for many reasons and that one is certainly up there on the list.

I’m also still confused as to why John was so defensive of TROS when arguably it did him the worst out of all three movies. TFA gave him a strong character arc and TLJ had used that foundation to expand on Finn’s journey from storm trooper to a resistance hero. Obviously both movies weren’t perfect with how they handled his character, but they’re at least better than the movie where he was back to pining after Rey and getting a half- hearted “oh he was force sensitive all along!” reveal. It’s just very puzzling to witness him critique elements of the sequels that did a disservice to his character while at the same time, lauding the movie that did him the dirtiest.

#Star Wars #tros #tlj #anti tros #reylo #reylo fandom #the last jedi #rian johnson #finnpoe #stormpilot #the rise of skywalker #Rey #kylo ren #ben solo

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memingursa · 3 months

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>Says this to Daisy Ridley

>Doesn’t even plot out the sequel trilogy while Daisy Ridley genuinely put in work in making Rey a charming character and had to deal with people hating her regardless

[Never any hate to Daisy Ridley she did not deserve that this is to point out JJ Abrams is a dumbass writer and director]

#star wars #daisy ridley #star wars the force awakens #star wars the last jedi #jj abrams #anti jj abrams #disney #star wars the rise of skywalker

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