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philtatosbuck · 2 years
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i said it in the tags of my other post but st*rek is about stiles SO much more than it is derek and that's why they don't care about the age gap. it's not seen as a personal well compatible ship for derek but it's seen as a hot older strong guy who defends stiles against everything and everyone (untrue) while stiles gets to be the badass 'spark' (kill me).
i genuinely think there are so few people who favor derek over stiles that ship them together.
like let's be real about it. hardcore stiles stans (not all) see almost every character as an accessory to stiles and derek is no different. you do not give a damn about him being in character as long as stiles has him as some sort of trophy.
that's why so much of the st*rek narrative is made up and has derek like. COMPLETELY treating stiles drastically different than he does in canon
(also why tags are scott mccall is a bad friend/alpha are called for. they completely alter scott and derek's bond to make room for stiles and derek instead, AND why pack mom stiles is a thing. they make honestly both stiles and derek out of character with this one, but also isaac erica and boyd, only ONE of which shows any sign of liking stiles at all enough to listen to him, and why they have scott join derek's pack instead of being an alpha, etc)
the derek hale deserves nice things tag is filled with st/erek and pack mom stiles with the three betas as if derek didn't end the show with a girlfriend he loves, a good relationship with his alpha, the ability to shift into a full wolf, and is apart of a pack that would always be there for him. as if two of those three betas didn't die and the other one didn't defect right before derek himself did and accepted scott as his alpha. as if stiles and derek could stand to be in leadership with each other without scott there.
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princeescaluswords · 1 year
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The Eternal Contradiction
Another day in the Teen Wolf fandom, another story (among thousands of similar stories) where Fanon Stiles is SO offended, SO hurt, SO unbelievably angry that Scott would believe Theo, the boy who had done nothing but try to save the life of every member of his pack, over Stiles, whose reputation as someone who lies to get out of trouble was established in the first episodes of Season 1, that Stiles would just commit murder when it came to Donovan Donati ...
that Stiles actually commits cold-blooded murder.
You see, it's not that Stiles-stans didn't want Stiles to commit cold-blooded murder, they just are outraged that Scott thinks he has the right to his own emotional reaction to it. And that's all its ever been about.
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haleripley · 2 months
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"Derek and Stiles hated each other!!!!" Stiles literally became Derek's anchor you idiot
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booker-le-livre · 1 year
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Me, whenever I look at the Teen Wolf tag:
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forestwaterfalls · 1 year
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the most stupid stunt the stiles stilinski teen wolf fanbase ever pulled was making people think scott was a bad friend. give me one example of him Ever dismissing any of his friends and no you can’t include moments of battle or him telling his Visibly Unwell friends to go home and rest. or when theo was manipulating him.
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domesticated-feral · 1 year
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i watch teen wolf for the plot; scott 'hot damn' mccall
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torturedpoetemotions · 8 months
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vicontheinternet · 1 year
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Yes the teen wolf movie is trash id be more surprised if it wasn’t but the doesn’t give dob/stiles/sterek stan’s the audacity to be this annoying. The way they have a hate boner for Scott for not being the “fan favorite” and thinking that’s why Scott fans are mad (my guy scott is the main character so ofc ppl are going to be thinking of him as a main) or just not liking tp (which dislike an actor all you want just don’t let it blend to the character) or just liking stiles because he has the personality of “sassy” wonder bread in the likes of tony stark
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nytabycharles · 2 months
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From now on I Consider myself an antiderrish-anti scerek-antidiam or whatever TWISTED, BIZZARRE AND WEIRD SHIT that you love to write or read just to shit on Stiles
Some of you antis became what you just hate about Sterek shippers and Stiles stans and I'm not the kind of person to turn the other cheek, I will be just as nasty as you delulu phags.
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brydeswhale · 6 months
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It’s honestly, like, no fucking manners these days. If I wrote a rant where I talked about Arya stand trying to take over Sansa’s role as Queen In The North, I would tag it anti-Arya. Actually, I have written those rants about Stiles Stan’s and I tagged it anti-stiles.
People come here from twitter or TikTok and they don’t bother to learn the etiquette. It’s repulsive.
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loganwritesprobably · 15 days
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Not a Stiles stan, nor a Scott anti, but a secret third thing
(Autistic, trans and projecting)
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princeescaluswords · 1 year
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Lol @ the people saying you're "bringing race into fandom". Transports me right back to 11th grade English when our teacher (instead of sacrificing us to the Nemeton) tried to teach us about analyzing race in popular media texts like Disney movies, and everyone in the class (bar myself and like 3 other people who had brains) started going on about how the critics she was having us read/watch were "bringing race into it". Like come on. This is grade school level theory. Read a book, people.
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You want to know how I know that race is involved in the Sterek fandom?
Isaac Lahey.
(Before anyone gets upset, I appreciate Isaac's character as much as I appreciate Derek's and Stiles's characters, which is quite a bit.)
Let's review. Isaac is indeed abused and terrorized by his father, the same way Scott is abused and terrorized by Peter. Isaac threatens Stiles and bullies Stiles and Jackson far more than Scott "mistreats" Stiles and Jackson. He makes fun of Stiles and refuses to listen to him. Isaac resists Derek's teaching, to the point that Derek hurts him to teach him a lesson (the same way Derek hurts Scott to teach him a lesson). Isaac dates a hunter, Allison, and follows her through the woods and sneaks into her house. Isaac learns from Alan Deaton. Isaac refuses to be a part of the Hale Pack, like Scott does, but unlike Scott, he originally agreed to take the Bite and join the pack. In the end, he leaves Beacon Hills with Chris Argent, an actual hunter without a single word to either his alpha or his former-alpha.
So where the hell are all the Bad Friend Isaac stories?
I mean, if the nearly two-thousand tagged Bad Friend Scott Stories and the ten times as many stories that write Scott as a Bad Friend but don't label it are a result of Scott's on-screen behavior, then shouldn't there be at least a thousand stories that deal with Isaac in the same way? I would confidently estimate that there are less than a hundred. I can say with less confidence that there are less than fifty. There are even less that turn him into an antagonist or even a villain who must be punished, deprived of freedom, or murdered. I doubt you would break ten.
So what's the deal? If this has nothing to do with race and Sterek stories just require a bad-friend antagonist or an ineffectual villain, then it stands to reason that Isaac would sometimes fill that role, doesn't it?
Of course, their answer is that they don't like Scott, and I agree they have a right not to like Scott. But the funny thing is they won't -- they can't -- explain why they don't like Scott. It can't be because he acts as a selfless hero, because so do Derek and Stiles. It can't be because he says mean things to Derek, because they don't have any problem liking Isaac or Peter or Stiles. It can't be because he never listens to Stiles, because since when does any character always listen to Stiles? It can't be because he's in a problematic heterosexual relationship, because they don't have any problem with Isaac's or Derek's or Stiles's problematic heterosexual relationships.
And so on and so forth.
It's not just because he's the lead protagonist, because Scott being the Teen Wolf offers no obstacle at all to a Sterek relationship. He canonically loved both Stiles and Derek, and they loved him in return. But what Scott being the lead protagonist proves an obstacle for is either Stiles or Derek actually being the lead protagonist. The show was built around a Latino character and not the two white characters that this fandom has conjured a whole relationship about.
It's not -- nor has it ever been -- about what happened on the screen that causes people to dislike Scott. It's been about what didn't happen on the screen. Derek and Stiles had nearly ten times the amount of pre-canon flashbacks than Scott did, but that's not enough. You never saw Scott taking a few days or weeks off to contemplate his place in the world while sad classical music played in the background, but that's not enough. Melissa and Deaton always told Scott how he could be a better werewolf instead of getting his parking tickets erased or told that the easiest way to forgive himself is to forgive someone who didn't do anything to him, but that's not enough. Scott never got to beat Derek up because his decisions in Season 2 ruined his relationship with Allison, not the way Stiles got to hit Scott for his father getting hurt, but that's not enough. For as much as these white male characters received in terms of story, they still weren't the lead protagonist, and this creates the only explanation for the profound animosity which they exhibit toward Scott, one which they will claim the right to have but also feel they never ever have to explain. In addition, there is only one thing, no matter how much they can't say, that we must always remember.
BUT IT'S NOT RACISM.
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haleripley · 4 months
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Reminder that Allison is canonically still a teenager and Scott is in his thirties but Sterek is p*dophilia right?
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booker-le-livre · 1 year
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lmfao sis literally EVERYONE is mocking Posey for being desperate and unemployed and still begging for more Teen Wolf movies because he wants to keep playing geriatric wolf lol. And everyone is rightfully mocking/shitting on Posey and Jeff for their shitty excuse of a Teen Wolf revival and for treating Arden like garbage. The only relevant things about the TW Movie are Derek and Eli Hale. No one gives a shit about Scott, Posey or Jeff and you can die mad about it 🙃
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Lmao, sis, who hurt you?😭 Imagine being so fired up because someone doesn’t like Meningitis Stilinski that you’re actually dragging Posey for rightfully being the MC of the franchise revolving around his character? Literally the only valid thing you said was that they did Arden dirty. Anyway, I give the movie 10/10 solely for being DOB/Meningitis-free💅🏽
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maliagf · 1 year
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Do you ship scalia or is it just something that you don’t mind seeing?
I ship scalia in a vacuum. I think it's a sweet dynamic with a lot of potential. Shelley and Tyler do have a lot of chemistry, so I can see why the writers wanted to explore that pairing. They have a very similar awkwardness/cluelessness that feeds into each other well (I think the same can be said about stira, which is a ship I like in a similar way, actually even more because of the tricksters/kitsune angle in their dynamic, and I also think there's some sciles meta in there about how they both got girlfriends that are so similar to the other lol) and I'm happy with how they really utilised that during their scenes in 6B. I've only seen the season once, so I can't even recall what the scene was about, but I remember the scene that sold them the most to me as a couple was that Malia face palm one lol. Where Malia is trying to communicate something but they're both just totally clueless.
This one:
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The problem is the circumstances of when this pairing was explored. The messy way stalia broke up, the unfair way Malia's feelings about st/ydia was completely disregarded. Granted, this makes a part of me go "Stiles unfairly dumped you and got with Lydia without asking how you'd feel about it? Fuck yeah you should get with his best friend! Give him a taste of his own medicine! Fair is fair!" but that's more about me being a Malia stan than having to do with any ships lol. When viewing the show as a whole, it's just impossible NOT to compare scalia and stalia, and when you do, scalia so obviously comes in short.
Like, every single argument I can come up with for scalia potentially working better is disproven by what stalia was in canon. Like, "oh maybe Scott could help her with her werecoyote struggles and do it better because as a werewolf he knows what it feels like" but we literally saw Stiles help Malia with that and he did it perfectly! After hammering in for 2 and a half seasons that Stiles is Malia's anchor I can't see anyone buying how Scott could just replace him in that aspect. Also "Scott is so good and anti violence that he could help Malia get over her kill first ask questions never coyote thing in a way Stiles can't because he's very similar to Malia in that regard" doesn't work for me either. We saw throughout their relationship that Stiles and Malia felt the best about their violent tendencies and trust issues with each other because the other one could understand. They could tell each other "You're still a good person" and the other could actually believe it for once. They opened up to each other and told the other aspects of their trauma that they never discussed with anyone else! "But when I came through it, I learned something else... Control is overrated." "I said, 'I wish you were all dead.'"
Then there's the scira of it all too! I'm not gonna go too much into it since I'm mainly a stalia stan lol, but the way Kira was pushed out of the show is honestly so horrible, and the fact that scira was so huge and how Tyler and Arden kept talking about how in love they were AND the fact that the writers said that they didn't actually break up and Scott was gonna wait for her... it's all very frustrating. Add the fact that Shelley is a white woman and Arden isn't and, yeah... it's all very bad.
Plus the way season 6 not only sucked in general, but also how the writing was really bad at actually selling st/ydia and scalia. I really like what @bericas said in the tags of this post: #like on a real level#i just don’t understand what they wrote it like this#like#why would you do this#6a outside of the narrative telling us stydia showed stalia and scydia like crazy#and it’s so weird#if you’re gonna lie to me at least do it well. If they really wanted to make the endgames make sense, they really needed more time to do it. You can’t just decide to completely change your character dynamics for the last season of the show. Don’t know what the writers were on during that decision. 
TLDR: I think they’re a nice ship in theory but they just don’t work in canon. 
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ice-mage · 1 year
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With the Teen Wolf movie coming out in two weeks, I decided to make a tier list of the characters from the show using this list here. Below the jump, I have added my rationale for all 65 characters I ranked. Feel free to reblog with your own tier list; I would love to see them.
Season 1 Main Cast
Scott McCall – B – This was the ranking that took me the longest to decide on. Scott carries a lot of baggage in fandom. And some Scott stans are rabidly anti-Sterek and anti-Stiles, which in response makes you remember all of Scott’s negative actions and attributes. But, for purposes to this list, I tried my best to not let the fandom baggage influence my ranking.
If I were going by what Teen Wolf tries to tell us Scott is, I would’ve given him an A. He’s optimistic, idealistic, caring, and attempts to protect his friends and family. There are a great many fics that highlight Scott’s best qualities. And some of Scott’s less than stellar moments are understandable given that he is a teenager after all.
But, when it comes to Scott, Teen Wolf does a lot of telling and not enough showing. Scott was only a werewolf for nine months when he became a true alpha, and even fewer months when alpha pack came to Beacon Hills in part because Scott had the “potential” to become a true alpha.  Deaton even said that he thought Scott could become a true alpha when he learned that Scott had been bit. All the while, even though he enjoys the perks of being a werewolf, he hates it so much that he can’t fathom why others would chose to get the bite. So, Scott’s true alpha status doesn’t feel earned. Plus, Scott’s morality is a bit black and white, which gets boring pretty quickly.
Ultimately though, and this may in part be due to Posey’s mediocre acting, while I don’t dislike Scott per se, I don’t have a particular desire to see more of him on screen, which earns Scott a B.
Stiles Stilinski – GOAT – Is there any question that Stiles if the GOAT of Teen Wolf? From his first scene, you can’t help but like this precious little bean, this little ball of sarcasm and enthusiasm. Stiles is not only part of many of the funniest moments in the show, but also many of the most heartfelt moments. He would do anything for you if he considers you his. Stiles being the emotional heart of the show is an entire plot point of season 6A, and the show suffered when he wasn’t there.
Allison Argent – B – Allison is super sweet, and I want to like her more. But I can’t look past the way she sadistically shot Boyd and Erica with arrows for no reason.
Derek Hale – S – This man can communicate more with his facial expression than many people can with words.  He speaks multiple languages, and is smart. Derek has the most tragic backstory. As a teen, he had to kill his girlfriend out of mercy, and then had nearly his entire family slaughtered by the older woman that seduced him. When he returns to Beacon Hills, it’s because his sister was killed. And yet, he tries to help newly-bitten Scott gain control over his wolf. Derek could have been a villain, but he chose not to be.
Derek wasn’t a good alpha in season 2, but you see in season 3 that under different circumstances he could have been.  He teaches Isaac control on his second full moon. He’s willing to risk his life for Boyd and Erica, and although he doesn’t go about it the best way, he pushes Isaac away in an attempt to protect him. He cares about his betas. He gives up his alpha power to save Cora’s life. And he eventually gains the full shift. You want to root for Derek Hale.
Lydia Martin – S – Lydia Martin is Queen. She is brilliant, beautiful, and demonstrates some of the best character growth on the show.
Jackson Whittemore – A – Jackson is an asshole, but he’s a lovable asshole.  
Teens
Danny Mahealani – A – Everyone likes Danny. QED.
Isaac Lahey – A – Isaac is just a precious baby. His face when he takes the pain from the dog. The scene when he tries to stay up to protect Melissa with Scott. I can’t help but like him.
Erica Reyes – A – Erica is fierce. The bite gives her a chance to shine after having to deal with her epilepsy. She might have overdone it a bit when she was first bitten, but you see her become more grounded at the end of season 2. She had a lot of potential and I wanted to see more of her.
Vernon Boyd – A – Boyd is the epitome of the strong silent type. I still can’t believe that they killed him right after they started to give him a backstory.  
Matt Daehler – TRASH – Murderous stalker.
Cora Hale – C – Cora was there for a bit, I guess.
Aiden Steiner – C – Did he have any good qualities? He sort of had a redeeming death, I guess, which is why he isn’t rated lower.
Ethan Steiner – B – Ethan had more compassion than his brother, so I gave him a bump up.
Kira Yukimura – S – Cute, awkward, and badass.
Malia Tate – C – Was there a point to her character?
Meredith Walker – B – She’s a little confused, but she got the spirit.
Liam Dunbar – S – Liam is a little, angry puppy. Gotta love him.
Mason Hewitt – B – I want to like Mason more, but he always felt like he was supposed to be Stiles 2.0.
Sydney – C – Not very memorable.
Garrett – C – Gets a bump up for being smarter than his girlfriend.
Violet – TRASH – A murderer whose money-hunger made her stupid.
Brett Talbott – C – Another werewolf whose family died in a fire? I’m sorry, but I just couldn’t bring myself to care.
Lori Talbott – C – Cared less about her than I did for her brother.
Theo Raeken – S – Theo was an excellent villain. And a villain the same age as the pack too. He singlehandedly manufactured the breakdown of the pack.  
Tracy Stewart – B – She gained a lot of confidence over the course of season 5. She grew on me
Hayden Romero – C – She’s 15 but works as a shot girl in a club? Make it make sense.
Corey Bryant – C – Even though I think Corey and Mason are really cute together, I just don’t care about Corey as an individual character.
Donovan Donati – TRASH – Nothing but a psychotic rage machine.
Josh Diaz – C – Just not memorable. Apparently, he was in nine episodes. I remember maybe two of them.
Gabe – TRASH – I was glad when he died.
Nolan – C – Nolan was pretty pathetic the entire time he was on screen.
Parents
Sheriff Stilinski – S – Papa Stilinski is top tier. There are a few questionable moments said in jest, but when it matters, when it counts, you see that he loves his son more than anything else in the world.
Melissa McCall – S – This woman singlehandedly runs that hospital. Loved her relationship with Scott, Stiles, and Isaac.
Peter Hale – S – This beautiful bastard brought himself back from the dead. Yes, he’s manipulative and power hungry. But he’s clever, cunning, and charming. Loved every second he was on screen (younger and older).
Chris Argent – S – You wouldn’t think you’d grow to like Chris Argent when you start watching the show, but you do. Despite losing his family, Chris comes back to protect Beacon Hills. Although he cares about the code, in season 1 its not because he thinks werewolves are worthy of the same dignity as people. It’s there as a check against hunters falling to their worst impulses and start killing simply for the sake of killing. But he grows and learns that the supernatural are just people, not inherently bad, but capable of doing/being good. Plus, he’s a total DILF.
Victoria Argent – A – She is badass. She was able to threaten Scott effectively just by sharpening a pencil. Died too soon.
Natalie Martin – B – Lots of ups and downs. She locked her daughter in an insane asylum, the same one in which her mother-in-law committed suicide (at least that’s what she believed at the time). But in season six she helps the pack actually graduate.
Mr. Lahey – TRASH – He locked Isaac in a freezer. Multiple times.
Talia Hale – C – We are told that Talia was a wise and respected alpha. But we know that she (1) convinced Corrine to give birth, (2) gave Malia to a human family, (3) took Peter’s memory of Malia, (4) apparently failed to keep tabs on her because she we know she did not find Malia after her adoptive mom and sister were killed and Malia turned into a coyote even though that happened before the Hale fire. Not sure what her redeeming qualities were other than her ability to fully shift, but what we know about Talia does not live up to what we are told about her.
Rafael McCall – B – Before he shows up, what’s said about him gives the impression that he’s a horrible person. But we never really see that. His antagonism against the Stilinskis doesn’t seem merited, and he’s not the best father, but we he’s not shown to be a bad guy.
Noshiko Yukimura – C – She is a 900 year old kitsune, but she can’t help her daughter gain control over her fox spirit? She calls on a nogitsune even though she should know better.
Ken Yukimura – A – He is adorable. Love the dad jokes.
Mr. Tate – B – Don’t really like or dislike him. But I enjoyed when he threatened the boys when they picked up Malia. Protective dad.
Corinne – TRASH – Why does she want to kill Malia again? Because she lost some of her power and it transferred over to her? But then why didn’t she do it right after she was born? And is she’s appears incompetent given that she didn’t accomplish the job the first time.
Other Adults
Alan Deaton – B – Deaton had a few badass moments, but he was decidedly unhelpful a lot of the time. Stiles calls him out for withholding information. He says that helping Derek was a promise he made to his mother, and yet he never really helps Derek.
Bobby Finstock – S – The bigger they are, the Bigger. They. Are.
Adrian Harris – TRASH – He has the most punchable face.
Kate Argent – TRASH – She’s a mass-murdering psychopath with a creepy attraction to teen boys.
Gerard Argent – TRASH – He considers werewolves to be no more than animals. He espouses that it is better to kill oneself rather than live as a werewolf. Yet when faced with dying from cancer, he plots to become a werewolf rather than die.
Marin Morrell – A – Marin intrigues me. She was the emissary to the alpha pack when all the other alphas had to kill their emissaries. But she still acted independently, sometimes at odds with her pack. Needed more of her.
Jennifer Blake – A – I obviously don’t condone her magically seducing Derek and attempting to sacrifice the parents.  But she gets a lot of points for being a strong magic user. She used magic to change her visage, to hide her scars from the world, so that Kali didn’t recognize her at first. She used magic to physically push Kali away, and to telekinetically throw glass at her. I was rooting for her in her fight against the alphas.
Braeden – A – She was badass.  She survived Deucalion slashing her throat.
Deucalion – A – He is the Demon Wolf. He is the alpha of alphas. Jennifer had to sacrifice numerous people to challenge him, and she came up short. Her magic was unable to harm him. Easily the strongest alpha on the show.
Kali – TRASH – Two words: feet claws.
Ennis – TRASH – He was so angry that one of his pack was killed he decided to kill the remainder of his pack?
Jordan Parrish – A – Creepy visions aside, Parrish is really sweet. He deserved a raise.
Araya Calavera – A – What can I say? She reminds me of my grandmother.
Severo Calavera – C – Never got a strong opinion about him, but demerits for threatening to take a chainsaw to Derek.
Satomi Ito – B – She is a long-lived wolf, so props for that. She seemed to have skills in fighting. But she was utterly incapable of protecting her pack.
Brunski – TRASH – Not only was he a serial killer, he was annoying.
Dr. Gabriel Valack – B – Props for going from a prisoner in Eichen House to basically running the place.
Mrs. Finch – TRASH – She was an alpha, but had no idea what was going on with her own pack. Plus, she let Liam get beaten up in her own class.
Garrett Douglass – TRASH – He is a literal Nazi.
Tamora Monroe – TRASH – Did she have any redeeming qualities?
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