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irondad-defensesquad · 3 months

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i think mcu steve is extremely idealized.

first, he becomes a super human, and apparently all his disabilities and medical problems disappear. which is honestly not a good message to actual disabled people, imo.

second, his backstory is mostly mentioned. we don't see a lot from steve's childhood or anything on screen. i think they detail it more in the comics, the same way they do for tony's childhood, but the fact that it's almost absent from the movies is a problem. they only mention his mother's name as far as i remember. nothing else. (please correct me if i'm wrong, of course)

mcu steve doesn't feel like a flawed character that has to change, the same way others are, like tony. mcu tony is clearly a flawed human being with several issues and a traumatic childhood (even if the mcu tries to paint howard in a good light, it still explains why tony deals with so much self-hatred and relies on unhealthy coping mechanisms, such as drinking). we don't see steve developing as a character. they might joke in that one scene of endgame where present steve rolls his eyes at past steve, but honestly? to me they feel like the same character. steve never changes. even when he's clearly wrong, the narrative insists that he's right.

steve betrays tony and gives him a half-assed "apology" letter. steve does not mourn sam and bucky at all in endgame, instead focusing on that one girl he kissed ONCE. and steve not only abandoned bucky, he took away peggy's agency and her happy ending. she already had a loving husband and children. not to mention the implications here. steve went back to a very flawed and bigoted period of time, and it's implied that he did not try to intervene in tragedies such as bucky being turned into the winter soldier, or tony's parents tragically dying. steve just stayed home. why couldn't he fucking do that in the present? he could've retired without changing someone else's life for his own gain.

it doesn't make SENSE. the winter soldier was a great film and it showed steve that he has to move on from the past and do what he can in the present. but no, steve never leaves the past behind, he literally goes back to it. and even then, it's all about peggy. it's not about his family. nor his mother, sarah, who's probably the person who inspires steve the most. but where the fuck is she? why does she only get ONE mention?

and by the way, i used to love steve. the first avenger and the winter soldier are still solid movies to me. that's why his ending sucks ass. and i've seen many steve fans who agree with me. he's such an important character in the marvel universe, and perhaps a lot more enjoyable and human in other media (like comics and cartoons). mcu steve is... nothing. he's just a walking propaganda for hypermasculinity.

#lotus speaks #anti steve rogers #anti endgame #sorry for the anti steve posting today. i'm still pissed #also notice how female characters get the short end of the stick in steve's story #peggy; sharon; his mother who's never mentioned #they deserved better #long post

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queerextremity · 1 year

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thinking about how important steve's storyline was for people who feel out of place/like they don't belong/like the world's moving too fast for them to follow (which are my own common reactions to trauma/depression) and how endgame just straight-up tells that the greatest way to escape is to go back to times that still feel familiar, which is something a regular person will never be able to afford and which just takes the hope away. they could've done so much with it and showed a great resolution to a long journey of building new life and new meanings, but they completely missed the point of the story. it was so awful to people who saw themselves in this character and that's something we rarely mention when we criticize steve's ending. in this essay, i will

#julia rambles and screams #i was just thinking of the ways i personally relate with steve's story and how i hate that we never got a proper ending #steve rogers #endgame #mcu critical #anti mcu #marvel #mcu #steve rogers meta

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hannaxjo · 1 year

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Sometimes I think to myself that, maybe Steve's ending wasn't that bad, at least he's happy and gets to finally take a break.

Then I remember that it was Peggy, who made Steve look like this.

And then i'm pissed af again.

#steve rogers #captain america #anti peggy carter #anti endgame #steve rogers deserves better #anti steggy #mcu #marvel #captain america the first avenger #endgame #avengers #steves ending was horrible #and i will be forever pissed about it #peggy carter is a walking red flag

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buckymilf · 2 years

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a better and deserving ending for steve's character? just him retiring, IN THE PRESENT, probably going full artist or/and doing volunteer work, helping people without needing super strength, buying a nice cabin in the woods away from stress, also adopting a dog, marrying buck-

#anything but that stupid ending or him dying #the last part is very important tho #steve #steve rogers #captain america #anti endgame #stucky #stevebucky #steve x bucky #wintershield #bucky

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taylorkellyreporting · 1 year

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we don’t talk enough about steve and his betrayal being the reason tony relapsed

#just one more thing to hate him for #i can’t believe that after everything he did he was just allowed to go back to the past and have a happy ending #while all tony got was. death.#anti steve rogers #anti captain america #anti mcu #anti avengers endgame #tony stark deserves better #pro tony stark

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steveandbuckysdaughter · 3 months

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Stucky isn't the only of Steve's relationships screwed over by Steggy. The same is true of Romanogers. @captainwidowspring actually better explains this in one of her posts, but Natasha was arguably killed off in Endgame because her being alive would've gotten in the way of the Russos' planned Steggy ending.

Tbh I’m not really invested in Romanogers or am a shipper because I am more of a platonic Romanogers girlie, but it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that yet another poor writing choice in Endgame was written to promote Steggy/a happy ending for Steve according to the convenient Marvel Standards.

And while I completely think that between Clint and Nat it should’ve been her, I’m not sure whether the circumstances etc were actually well written.

I tend to focus on the mistreatment of Steve’s character because it’s my biggest pet peeve in Endgame, but there’s so many other things I actually didn’t like that listing them would make this post a 274 pages long essay. One of them is the whole time travel storyline, considering it fucks up what AoS has established, and that in the comics the avengers discarded the option because it was stupid, so I’m wrinkling my nose at that one too.

But oh well, it’s been years since I last watched Endgame and I’m not planning on rewatching it any time soon, so to be sure let’s just say Fuck Endgame and all the failures it brought. Many arcs were destroyed (Steve and the whole catalyst it brought), many characters under used or shamed for having trauma (I’m looking at you, unnecessary failed comical Fat Thor storyline🖕🏻) and the list goes on. I’m not even sure for why people actually like the movie besides the big portal scene.

#steve rogers #natasha romanoff #Romanogers #platonic Romanogers #anti steggy #anti endgame #MCU critical #anti endgame Steve #fuck Steve’s ending #asks #Ross rants

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faeriecap · 9 months

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the russos rlly watched hayley's like. 2015 video where chris evans flew out to have “captain america” kiss her during the dubsmash battle and went "HEY I FOUND THAT ENDING IDEA THEY WANTED FOR ENDGAME" huh

#LIKE ITS SO TIRED #not even an original ending ig #avengers endgame #endgame #anti endgame #anti endgame steve #steve rogers #the russo brothers #anti mcu #marvel #mcu #marvel cinematic universe

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pigtailedgirl · 2 years

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So because I can’t let Steve go anymore than the MCU can. Or, in the MCU’s case, you know let his character be grown if that was really the best end for him, complete or anything other than a joke. The way that have to keep mentioning him and Tony in every project to fill in or tease more character. To try an explain the plot hole or emotional hole of loss each brings. Tony’s lack of connection to the other’s emotional story, versus the Iron Man cast, versus not really examining anything about his death narratively as it relates to what it meant morally, or physically for those close to him. Sure Peter and Happy miss him, the world mourns... Is there a reflection of who and why in Tony’s legacy and death?

Same with Steve. The MCU clearly doesn’t care who and why Steve is or was. Steve’s ending clashing so hard with his connections not only to Sam and Bucky, but the present, to all these emotional parts of character’s lives that he was related to. Nat’s and Tony’s friendship. Wanda’s mentee. T’Challa’s respect. America’s old icon and morale. The question of Hulk’s serum alt. All of it dropped.

The important context to Steve now is he loves and has sex with them ladies. On the USO tour. As beefy, good ass Steve.

How incredibly shallow a take on the character.

How sad that they are so obsessed with these takes...he’s left in character limbo hell, where he’s as the narrative so far as decided a public and private Schrodinger. Is he dead to them, is he on the moon, is he in the past happily living, is he back as an old guy? It’s all pick your options but realize none of them are going to be considered in the emotional weight on him or whoever thinks it.

I think if the MCU heads have brains, they realize the character’s as they wrote and their endpoints were narratively unfulfilled. This is why they can’t let them rest or have the new ones compellingly take over.

#anti mcu #mcu meta #steve rogers meta #tony stark meta #this applies to the too late for character black widow film #in trying to shove bruce into she-hulk #in hawkeye's whatever series #i dread what they gonna do to explain T'Challa's loss #who has had a satisfying ending

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rogersstevie · 16 days

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i do genuinely want to gatekeep mcu steve rogers just bc i see endgame stans giffing him and i'm like STAY AWAY FROM HIM you don't understand him at all

#steve rogers #anti endgame #it is genuinely funny especially right after it came out and people would gif certain scenes #and i'm like hi you know that scene is proof his ending makes no goddamn sense right #he called the avengers his home NEVER peggy before endgame lol #and yet people were giffing those references and i was like.........bestie this does not make the point you want it to

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rainbowsuitcase · 1 month

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I get so sad every time I come across a Bucky stan that hates Steve - mostly on TikTok, IDK what they're doing here, I'm not looking it up on purpose.

Because most of them hate Steve based on the fact that he left Bucky at the end of Endgame.

The literal last minutes of Steve's storyline were so bad that they made some people hate him.

This post isn't actually about Bucky stans that hate Steve. This post is me yet again saying fuck you Russos and fuck Endgame.

#you see i actually always liked steve #so his ending for me is like #i pretend i do not see it #but ppl who don't care as much about him #they literally base their entire perception of him based on that ending #and get him completely wrong #i also recently saw a tiktok from the russos #lil jokey joke #about how ppl still don't like them for endgame #THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO #FUCK YOU #anti endgame #steve rogers #bucky barnes #avengers endgame

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stevesbigbazoxngas · 2 years

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Listen, I love Steve. But I do not want to see him back in the MCU.

His story is done, unless he's being brought back in the present, and unless Sam is still in the spotlight. I do not want him back.

I don't want Steve in the fucking 50s. I don't want Steve to be complicit with HYDRA. Fuck that.

Steve's story is done. He had a good run in the MCU. I think he had a full story, and even if I didn't agree with his ending, I think he still had a really engaging and interesting story in full.

Please, please, don't make a Hydra-Cap, don't make a 50's Stay at Home Dad sitcom with Peggy. Dear god.

#i have alot to stay abt this but im not in the mood #let steves story be done. im serious #steve rogers #steve rogers my beloved #let sam be in the limelight ffs #the steve rogers era is over! and thats okay! it was good while it lasted! all good things come to an end!!#anti steggy #anti peggy carter #cw nazism #cw facism #anti hydracap #mcu critical #mcu #captain america trilogy #cap trilogy

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hannaxjo · 2 years

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Everything wrong with Steve Roger's ending

Steve’s ending sucked. It was bad. Terrible really. And there are so many reasons. It doesn’t make sense, it’s just a bunch of plot holes, it’s out of character and I hate it.

One of the things that was said more than once, was that you can’t go back in time, change things, and therefore change your future. Because your future is now your past, and you can’t change your past. Instead, you would create a new branch in the timeline. So…do these rules just not apply to Steve?

If it went as it should have, and he created a new timeline, how did he end up on that bench? He should’ve been stuck on that other timeline, and if he somehow got out of there as it was planned, he should have ended up where he left. That machine was his way of traveling, how would he end up on the bench? It doesn’t make any sense.

And if it was the same timeline as it is insinuated in the movie, well that just goes against the rules of time travel, that the movie told us. And even if it was possible, him being there would have changed so many things. What about Peggy's husband and kids. The claim that “Steve was the husband the whole time” is just garbage. (That would make his kiss with Sharon just that much weirder). Just, no. And I think, I think, someone might have noticed if Peggy Carter just got a husband who happens to look exactly like Steve Rogers, and ages at an unusually slow rate. (Also, how old would the Peggy be that Steve went back to? He sure as hell ain’t the same guy that Peggy kissed all those years ago anymore.) Anyway, isn't this something that would get him arrested by the TVA?

Okay, so the time travel makes the whole thing already impossible, but that’s not the only thing going on. What the fuck is going on with his age? So, Steve was born 1918, at the age of 25 he got injected with the super soldier serum. At 27, he crashed the plane and went on an aging pause for 66 years, waking up in 2011. Endgame is set to the year 2023, which makes Steve 39 years old. He goes back in time to the 40’s, we don’t know the exact year, but assuming that he’d go to the time after the crash, it’d be somewhere like between 1945 and 1949. That’s 74 to 78 years he would have lived in those five seconds. That makes him about 113 – 118 years old. He should be dead. And that Joe Biden doesn’t look like a 100+ years old.

So, like I said, he has had have aged at a slower pace, due to the serum. After a quick googling, I’ve found out that the serum does affect aging. It is said to be “slowing the (aging) process nearly by half”. It is also said that it “dramatically prevents individuals from aging”. Okay, so Steve got the serum at 25. Assuming that that Joe Biden really is Steve, he has been on the serum for about 88 – 93 years (not counting the years he was on ice). So, at 25, his aging starts slowing, so whereas to a normal human, those 88 – 93 years would show up as they are, for Steve they’d be more like 44 – 46 years (physically). That would make Biden physically about 69 – 71. And that actually makes sense, that’s believable. But now we got another issue. Steve is a healthy man (physically), he is a superhuman. I’d say it’s not too stupid to expect him to live (physically) to at least 80. (Unless he gets himself killed because he has no concept of self-preservation). So that’s 9 to 11 years he’s still got, with the serum that’s 18 to 22 years. See if they’d just not done this, they could’ve said he’s off on a mission, something less direct, or just de-serum him, and that’s why we don’t see him in TFATWS. Add like a few texts, phone calls or mentions of him. Done. But now it makes no sense for him to be dead already. (Is he even? Is it canon? Or was he just chucked into some retirement home. Where did he go? Did he just die? Yeah, he was old, but not that old??) So yeah, time travel-wise, and aging-wise, none of it makes any sense. But we’ve only been through category number one. And all this is if the serum slows the aging nearly by half, and I’ve seen some stuff where it says the serum would slow it even more. I mean in Age of Ultron there’s that bit where Thor insinuates that he might not be mortal.

So, I think we all know, that this plot line only happened because they had to write Cap out, and they went with the worst option they could come up with. But seriously, the whole thing is so fucking disrespectful. They didn’t even bother to try to make it the kind of an ending that makes sense. They completely ignored everything about canon and expected fans to be satisfied with it. Just because the ending was romantic, doesn’t mean it was good.

If there is one thing that we know about Steve, is that he can’t just sit down, and watch bad things happen. Very much like Peter said. “When you can do the things that I can, but you don’t, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you.” That is very much the same mentality Steve has. (Which is why Peter would’ve been team cap if he’d known what was happening in CACW btw). If he can do something, anything, and he doesn’t, he’s going to blame himself. I mean that’s why he lied in his enlistment forms, multiple times. Just so he could do something. If he can do something, he will. (And sometimes he will even if he can’t). That man could not sit living his ‘happy life’, while he knows all the bad things that are to happen. He would do anything to save as many people as he can. And he knows that HYDRA is infiltrating S.H.I.E.L.D. He wouldn’t just let that happen. And he wouldn’t let Zola get hired, not after everything.

Steve also got over Peggy. He buried her. He knows Peggy has lived a good life, he knows Peggy had a husband and kids. He would never make her lose them. Steve knows that her and Peggy are in the past and are meant to be there. I mean it was literally a part of his story, acceptance. Of what happened to him, and what he could’ve had with Peggy, but can’t. He would never go back to interrupt her life.

Also, that “relationship” was terrible. I don’t believe there was an ounce of love in those feelings they shared. And to everyone who thinks they’re cute, because Peggy liked Steve before and after the serum; she didn’t. No, she showed him basic human decency before the serum, and after the serum her attitude changed completely. Peggy never wanted Steve Rogers; she wanted Captain America. But because she did show him basic human decency, and unfortunately Steve isn’t quite used to that, he took a liking to her. He found her attractive sure, but genuine deep feelings? No, I don’t think so.

After Steve had gotten the serum, saved Bucky and so on, there’s the bar scene where Peggy shows up while Bucky is trying to flirt Steve’s pants off (the usual). And here, Peggy starts flirting with Steve calling back to that “right partner” conversation, making it “their thing”. Anyway, next day and Steve is making out with Lorraine, so Peggy’s flirting clearly meant a lot to him. But the way Peggy reacted to that kiss? Fuck no. Steve hadn’t promised shit to Peggy, they were not in a relationship; she had no right to get mad at him and belittle him. AND THEN SHE SHOOTS AT HIM. That would not be okay, even if they had been in a relationship. I don’t care about any “Steve’s a supersoldier,” “Steve had the shield,” “she didn’t actually mean to hurt him.” Peggy used violence as a threat. That is not okay. And if Steve hadn’t pulled the shield up in time, he would have gotten shot. The whole thing just shows that Peggy is possessive, manipulative and abusive. That’s a red flag if I’ve ever seen one. So, their relationship would not last, and if it did, it would be unhealthy.

And this whole shooting thing likely made Steve feel bad for not feeling that way about her. (Because yk, he did something, got “punished” for it, therefore it must’ve been wrong to do so). So, he starts to believe that that’s how he should feel. The whole thing seems to be because he felt obligated to. Also, they didn’t spend that much time with each other. They kissed once. And that was initiated by Peggy. So yeah, that relationship sucks, and had they married Peggy would probably ended up being abusive and controlling.

But guess what, that wasn’t all. Even if their relationship wasn’t so fucking horrific, the fact that they chose to make Steve Rogers, Captain America, a character created by Jewish men, as a symbol to protect Jewish people, marry, a character they based off of a fucking nazi character will never be okay.

Also, in CA: TWS Steve found out that she had accepted the hiring of Zola, and other nazis. Do you really think that Steve could spend a life with her, knowing that she had said yes to hiring the man who is responsible for so much of the pain Bucky went through. So, unless Steve’s plan was to go to Peggy to beat the shit out of her, I don’t see why he would in any situation choose that. Steve has moved on from Peggy. That was literally one of the things established in CA: TWS and A: AOU. He doesn’t want any of that anymore. The 21st century is his home. And he likes the 21st century.

Okay, then the point that seems to be most in people’s minds when discussing this. Bucky. I’ve seen the comment “How could Steve abandon Bucky,” and listen, I don’t disagree. But I hate that comment. Because…Steve didn’t abandon Bucky. Steve chose to live almost 80 years without Bucky, after being apart from him for five years. For Bucky that was five seconds. And really, Steve doesn’t owe it to Bucky to be there as his therapist (harsh, I know. but it pisses me when people talk about Steve leaving as if it’s his duty to help bucky get better). That just ain’t how friendships work. Why Steve should have stayed, is because that’s what he wants. That’s his best friend. It doesn’t matter how you look at their relationship, they love each other. And that’s why Steve should have stayed. Because he would never choose to live without Bucky.

I also see people arguing that “Steve was selfish”, or that “he deserved to be selfish for once”. But that’s just ridiculous. I agree, Steve is sometimes selfish, and he deserves to be selfish after everything he has done and given for the world. But Steve going back to past? That wasn’t selfish. Which is why it doesn’t make sense that he would have done it. Because when it comes to Bucky? That’s when Steve is selfish. Even if he could have done all kinds of good in the past on an alternative timeline, Steve is too selfish to choose that after just getting Bucky back. So, yeah, sometimes Steve is selfish. And that’s why he would have stayed.

So, yeah. Steve’s ending is garbage. It’s one big plot hole after another, it’s out of character and it is just bad. I think the main reasons why it happened are; 1. they had to write him out. 2. Amatonormativity. 3. Heteronormativity. They had to write him out, but they wanted to give him somewhat of a happy ending. But because of amatonormativity, they thought that the only “happy endings” are romantic ones. And who would be person that would make most sense as his romantic partner. The guy who loves him dearly, whom he loves just as much, who cares for him, serum or not….or the abusive one who only cares about Captain America and herself, who died years ago. Well, obviously time traveling to live a life in the past would make more sense than being queer.

Yeah, you know, I think I might still be a bit angry about Steve’s ending. Who would have guessed. Steve deserved better, and dammit he deserved to actually heal from all the shit he has gone through. Steve’s ending was bad writing.

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amarriageoftrueminds · 1 year

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the howlies trying to reconcile Steve "Captain America" Rogers with the Stevie that the Sergeants been telling them about since they got to the continent is so funny to me. Like. This is the scrappy guy who tried to illegally enlist?????

Them asking Bucky how come he's so good at boxing, Bucky explaining that he had to learn...

Them thinking he means he has a tough upbringing...

No, it's just his best friend is a big-mouth who can't go a day without getting himself attacked, and Bucky had to learn how to fight so he could teach him.

How this absolute nutcase is so ill (but so idiotically honest) that he tried to enlist five times and kept getting given a 4F, because it would never occur to him that he could just lie his way in.

It was the principle of the thing, he wanted to be accepted as a disabled man, just the kind the Nazis think should be euthanized, and be allowed to fight at Bucky's side.

Them looking at squeaky-clean Steve in his immaculately-pressed uniform, and being like 'wait, this is the guy Sarge said threw a pail of piss into the face of a Nazi who was trying to organise a rally on the corner of their block?? this guy?? this is the guy Sarge had to convince the Mafia not to kill after he painted pro-Labour Union anti-ILA graffiti round the Navy Yard?? THIS guy?!?'

And the same Sarge they've seen mother-henning all the dumb kids in the regiment is now faffing round a giant blond musk ox, telling him off for walking holes in his socks (and who's gunna end up having to darn them?? yeah guess who!), immediately vetoing all his initial battle plans and complaining about what a fuckin meatball he is even though he's his superior officer.

And them being like 'holy shit, this nonsense is the only reason we're still alive.'

(And the flipside; judging by how well Bucky has kicked ass in the war so far, them avidly asking Steve what Bucky was like back home -- surely he must be some kind of gangster thug, forever in and out of jail, to be so cool-headed? perhaps some kind of fixer for the mob? a hustler?? and to their bewilderment and horror Steve is just like 'wh- what?? no! he likes swing dancing, dressing dapper and reading science fiction books! he's a nice jewish boy and a model son!' )

#historically accurate stucky tag #toAyourQ #dat's me #hey nonny #release the cracken #mcu meta #meta #stucky #steve meta #bucky meta #stucky meta #steve rogers #bucky barnes #yet each man queues the thing he loves #the howling commandos

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