#anti salt

[galahadwilder]

Fix that looks like Adrien salt and Chloé sugar at first glance only for the fic to slowly reveal that both of them are trans, transitioned before the fic started, and thought it would be hilarious to switch first names, so they’re actually both completely in-character

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous #adrien agreste #chloe bourgeois #original content #anti salt #transfem adrien agreste #transmasc Chloe bourgeois #trans adrien agreste #trans Chloe bourgeois

[gameguy20100]

I am rarely interested in fics that have tags like "Rewrite because canon sucks." Or "This is so much better than canon. Fuck you TA"

Fics written out of spite are never good in the long run. And I speak as a writer myself.

Wings is different from the show. I acknowledge that. But i enjoy the show and I just want to have fun. That's why I enjoy Wings of Deception and keep writing it.

I once tried to make my own ending to ME3 because I got swept up in the mob mentality of it. And it was the worst thing I've ever written.

Maybe spend time on things you enjoy instead of obsessing over something you hate. I promise you, you will feel so much better.

#miraculous ladybug #ml fandom salt #anti salt #ml sugar #my writing #Wings of deception

[ladyblogbug]

I am the first person to jump up and criticise a lot of things about ML, but I will never understand the people who put so much effort into hating Adrien or Marinette for how their characters act in certain episodes

Like, the main reason I see for Marinette hate is that she’s a stalker, she knows Adrien’s schedule by heart, she stole his phone. The thing is, those things are not part of her core character, they were obviously only put into the episodes so they could drive the plot. The writers just weren’t very imaginative with how they wanted to solve the question “ok but how would Marinette know where to go?”

It’s in Marinette’s core to be clumsy (and that gives me cringey not-like-other-girls vibes, but eh), and to see the world in black and white, and not always think before she acts. But she’s not a crazy stalker, that was just something the writers put in for an episode or two to poorly stick together plot holes.

Very similar, but a bit worse for Adrien. What that boy is is canonically neglected and abused. He doesn’t want something? Something else is taken away. He wants to make his own choices? Tough luck. He’s uncomfortable with his face being used for a product thousands of people look at every day? Well, it’s either that or child labor, you choose.

To pin it against him that he cannot defend Marinette, or any of the other things people pin against him, is ridiculous. Those instances of him “forgetting” that Lila is a snake is just bad writing. This lack of continuity is not proof of him being abusive or whatever, it’s proof of the writing staff “forgetting” that Adrien is supposed to dislike Lila now - probably because otherwise the plots they came up with wouldn’t work.

It seems to me that fandom hates the characters for lack of continuity in writing, and because of this toxicity spreads in this fandom like a disease. We need to collectively understand that whenever we see stupid shit like this, it’s bad writing, and it isn’t constructive for anyone to keep writing toxic posts and fics and essays about how abusive or whatever these characters are. Rather, turn to fandom for brainstorming on how you would fix these things, turn to fix-it fics, turn to AUs. Instead of treating these episodes as gospels, treat them as general guidelines, outlines, sketches, and build on them in a way that isn’t saying “look how fucked up this is”, but rather “look how my way makes more sense (and is kinder)”.

#ml fandom #ml fandom commentary #miraculous ladybug #ml fandom salt #miraculous fandom #anti salt #i just wrote this down and didn't even bother to proofread so if theres inconsistencies or typos I'm sorry for that #I have just finished watching s5e5 and the continuity errors boggle my mind but also i keep thinking about how these errors are written up #as character faults when in fact they are continuity errors and poor efforts to drive plots forward

[eggheadsguidetorunning]

Discussing Felix: Who He is and What that Means

Felix Graham de Vanily is a wild card of a character in his use and effect on the plot of Miraculous. The result of this is often the fan base having difficulty placing him. I have seen him get a lot of hate for being more loved by the writers than other characters for no determinable reason to him getting oodles of praise for being the only character who does something. Both of these takes seem to often go too far in one direction with both often not giving the writers any credit. It is for that reason that I want to provide a different way of looking at Felix that would seem to clarify both of these mistakes. To do this I would like to go over first the three sentimonsters we know of, and secondly the theming of rebellion around Felix.

So there are three sentimonsters that we know of currently in season 5 and I'm going to not go in great detail of them to avoid spoilers, but those three are: Adrien, Felix, and [redacted character]. You might be able to guess [redacted character] but if you can't or don't want too they are going to stay redacted in this text. Anyway, Felix and Adrien are not revealed but greatly hinted to be sentimonsters in season 4, so I am okay with going over their characters here. What I want to go over is an aspect of sentimonsters that many people forget that being sentimonsters are created by a emotion. Now the better made the sentimonster the less they are controlled by that emotion, but they all are created by an emotion so what is that emotion for Felix and Adrien? For both it is apparent for Adrien it is that of his mothers love for him and, likely, her husband (I have proof of this but I do not want to go too much into it here since this is about Felix not Adrien). For Felix the emotion is desire. Every action we see Felix takes has a start or focus on a desire he has for something. Whether it be the Graham de Vanily rings or the Peacock Miraculous. This is also why it is so much harder to stop him Felix has never once not gotten what he wants in some way or another. Most of his loses, especially in season 4, are more of delays and setbacks then hard loses. This is why stuff happens when Felix shows up not because he is given cart-blanche by the writers but because in order for him to be justified in appearance he has to want something and be doing his best to get whatever it is he wants. This extends past other characters Felix only ever wants something when he appears it is his drive and motive for anything he doesn't care who he hurts, who he has to step over, and who will get in his way. Other characters do care greatly about these things without these limits so far Felix gets what he wants.

Second is Felix is very often represented as a rebel without a cause, or rather a bad rebel. Someone who is able to rebel or wants to rebel against the system but either does not realize what the system is or why it is. Felix just knows there is a system in place and that it has chained him up and beat him like a dog. In return Felix will burn it to ash and anyone associated with it. I personally really like Felix as a rebel because combined with his powerful desires it can lead him into very interesting villain scenarios. For example, thinking that it was for the best what he did at the end of Season 4 even if he does apologize for it. Put on top of that the fact that his mother appears to be part of the British monarch and their is a hard sense of delicious irony there. Felix wants to burn down the system, while often working for the system.

If I am right and this is the way the writers seem to be going and implying with Felix (and I have seen season 5 stuff including Gloob episodes) then Felix is a very very doomed character, and I can't wait to see what happens next.

#felix graham de vanily #mlb #season 4 #ml #miraculous ladybug #miraculous fandom #felix salt #anti salt #also because why not #chloe burgeois

[logical--dreamer]

Sometimes I think people who are "antis" or "salters" are blinded by their dislike or looking for ANYTHING to prove to everyone why they are right. Some of the things are really reaching...

Like....

Let people enjoy what they like.

#anti anti #anti salt #it's insalting #let people like what they like

[zoe-oneesama]

Ladybug has far more patience than I to listen to Chloe’s new annoying catch phrase and not punch her in the face.

Based on Yamai:

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#look I rewatched the first 3rd of Season 5 and all of Chloe's screen time is literally just repeating the same tired point #woman you didn't help even when you WERE called upon #OR when you DID help that was only against akumas CAUSED. BY. YOU. #yeah I shot-for-shot recreated chapter 8 of komi-san can't communicate lol #cracks me up that Ladybug and Yamai are both voiced by Cristina Vee so #my art #anti-chloe #chloe salt #ooc ladybug #haha

[halorvic]

"Do not let anyone convince you that you need to get sick to be healthy."

#kristen panthagani #immunology #sars cov 2 #long post #i s2g if i see one more bullshit article/comment about IMmUNiTY deBT........................ #for the millionth billionth fucking time: IMMUNITY DEBT ISN'T REAL. there is NO SUCH THING as immunity debt caused by avoiding illness #and ANY dr/immunologist worth their salt in the year 2023 will tell you that #“but you have to train your immune system for it to get stronger!” nope doesn't work like that. the immune system is not a muscle #you might as well tell everyone that the reason they don't have skin like armoured steel is that they haven't been stabbed enough #tell all those drs treating tuberculosis patients that they're weakening their immunity by wearing respirators and NOT catching tb #let's all stop filtering the water while we're at it. have everyone get cholera - that'll fortify ppl's immune systems for sure #this world is a joke. #ppl buy into this shit and then wonder why the anti-vaxx/anti-science movement keeps growing

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

“catra is a complex poc” fuck that. here are some ACTUAL poc animated characters who are just as, if not more complex than catra.

grace monroe (infinity train) • black american

connie maheshwaran (steven universe) • indian-american

katara (avatar the last airbender) • inuk

wolf (kipo and the age of wonderbeasts) • black american

suhara/shadowsan (carmen sandiego) • japanese

korra (the legend of korra) • inuk

jesse cosay (infinity train) • indigenous (apache)

lars barriga (steven universe) • filipino

azula (avatar the last airbender) • japanese

ryan akagi (infinity train) • japanese-canadian

luz noceda (the owl house) • afro-dominican american

(there are a lot more, so i'll be making a part 2!)

#spop critical #spop salt #spop criticism #spop discourse #spop #she ra #anti spop #the owl house #toh #infinity train #tlok #the legend of korra #korra #avatar the last airbender #atla #kipo and the age of wonderbeasts #carmen sandiego #steven universe #steven universe future

[longing-for-rain]

Schrödinger’s Redemption Arc:

It was either perfect storytelling or an insensitive colonizer guilt narrative…depending on who you ship him with.

#zuko #fandom salt #atla #avatar the last airbender #zutara #anti kataang

[nartml]

Httyd 2 Hiccup, after defeating a guy who can mind control dragons to do his bidding, and who made Toothless kill his dad: "We are the voice of peace, and bit by bit we will change the world. You see, we have something they don't. Oh, sure, they have armies, and they have armadas, but we have...our dragons!"

THW Hiccup, after defeating a goofy Viggo-rip off in a hilariously easy battle, no casualties suffered: "Eh, yeah, nvm boys. Time to pack it up, the world fr is too dangerous for dragons rn, we'll have to take a raincheck on our so-far incredibly successful revolution and cross our fingers people will just magically become accustomed to the dragons, which I've made disappear off the face of the earth"

#hiccup haddock #httyd #my anti thw agenda #idk who that guy in thw is but he sure isn't my boy hiccup #be so serious #thw salt #thw slander

[ahsoka-in-a-hood]

It’s almost surprising that the mandalorian puts very little effort into depicting Din as an honorable mercenary- his reception is generally that of wholesome dad, but the canon is explicit about him not vetting his targets or his clients, and not caring enough to do so. He changes his mind eventually in the face of a literal baby, but he was fully prepared to do people trafficking for imperials, he generally kills without a flinch, and he says outright to his bounty in tbobf that he doesn’t care who hired him or why, and then... literally delivers a head on a plate, after killing a room full of slaughterhouse workers. That’s... not even between the lines. What did that guy actually do? He clearly has some compassion, and is frequently moved by the people he interacts with, but that’s juxtaposed with his ‘cool’ violence that barely makes an effort to be palatable.

That concession to palatability mostly being that the majority of the people he indiscriminately shoots at in the course of handing over people to anyone who has a grievance and also money, or whenever really, are non human, and the humans he does kill tend to be imperials. and also that whenever he’s in a room with other bounty hunters he comes off better than them because they have no honor(tm). Normally I would maybe say it was bad faith to look at the aliens he killed when he first took Grogu, or the aliens he killed when he infiltrated that imperial facility and there were local “pirates” trying to destroy the explosives they were transporting (but not steal, despite being “pirates”)(knowing the locals were discontented with imperial presence), but when it’s in the text that he doesn’t think too hard about his work or his kills, and no vetting is involved, well.

This is less present in season three for Din, but Axe was much the same.

#salt #i am in a mood #the mandalorian #this has been in my head for a while but now it's coming out #i put salt but this isn't even really salt like... #i like anti-heroes #they don't make me uncomfortable #but it does make me uncomfortable when reception is that oh they are innocent uwu i guess #that's where i feel like ................... -_- #coming up next maybe: what i really want to say about andor

[yourhighness6]

The thing about the whole TSR discourse is that a lot of it is centered around who was right: Zuko or Aang. Although I have seen posts focusing primarily on Katara's feelings, I do think it is necessary to remind anyone who cares to listen every once in a while that it doesn't really matter who was right. It matters who enabled Katara to make her own choices and gave her the space to do so, and I think we all know who that was.

#also it was necessary for the narrative for katara to realize what she needed for the moral message to work #zutara #anti kataang #katara deserved better #atla #avatar the last airbender #fandom salt

[gameguy20100]

I still hate myself for nearly becoming a Kagami salter.

#miraculous ladybug #ml fandom salt #Kagami Tsurugi #anti salt #Kagami deserves better

[spopsalt]

Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel try so hard to be "adult" with excessive sex jokes and swearing that it seems like an edgy teenager wrote it and not an adult, it doesn't help that Vivzie responds to criticism like a child.

#helluva boss criticism #helluva boss critical #helluva boss salt #helluva boss critique #anti hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel critism #hazbin hotel criticism #hazbin hotel critique #hazbin hotel critical

[theweeklydiscourse]

It’s just interesting to observe the differences in how people treat Zukka vs how they treat Zutara. Because I searched Zutara on TikTok to look for some edits and the comments were filled to the brim with people saying “But Katara belonged with Aang 🥺” or “How can you ship Zuko with her after Mai said such a romantic line?” Or perhaps the most insufferable of all “Maturing is realizing that Zuko would’ve thrown himself in from of lightning for ANYONE” as if that’s some revolutionary reading of the text. It’s so irritating how this kind of behaviour is…accepted by the fandom.

But you don’t get that with Zukka, instead you see people gushing over how sweet they are together, hailing it as a wholesome and unproblematic ship, praising artworks of it with positivity and appreciation. It’s difficult to find much negativity under Zukka posts, you won’t see people saying “But Sokka belongs with Suki 🥺” or boldly going on a tangent about how another ship is SO much better. I saw one person praise Zukka as the most unproblematic ATLA ship because of how little conflict there was about it, that you wouldn’t see the same hostility among that fandom as you might with Zutara.

But there’s a reason for that which has less to do with Zutara shippers themselves, and more to do with the harassment and hostility they face on all sides of the fandom. Fans will go out of their way to antagonize Zutara shippers, they’ll feel brazen enough to leave backhanded or outright hostile comments under Zutara posts and art, they’ll interject their shipping opinions in spaces where nobody asked and condescend Zutara shippers by framing them as shallow or delusional for shipping it.

I think Zukka is admittedly cute, and they definitely have their haters, but the difference between it and Zutara is astounding. It’s incredibly frustrating to watch this phenomenon play out, especially when these shippers carry themselves with a kind of false moral superiority that can only be found in shipping discourse.

#especially ESPECIALLY when Zutara is constantly being hit with the old *colonizer x colonized* accusations #But somehow Zukka manages to avoid that same criticism despite Sokka being from the same tribe as Katara #Frustrating as a poc zutara shipper to constantly be accused of being a white person romanticizing a supposedly *colonizer romance* dynamic #katara #Zuko #pro zutara #atla discourse #atla fandom #atla fandom salt #atla fandom critical #shipping discourse #enemies to lovers #anti Zukka #anti maiko #avatar the last airbender

[starlight-bread-blog]

It's always "No I don't hate A@ng or Ma! I just want to criticize how their characters were handled", and never "They're fictional and you're offended on the behalf of literal nothing".

Ps: Zks say what you gotta say to avoid harassment. I don't hate them either. It's just absurd that hating a fictional character that doesn't exist is something to be denounced in order to be taken seriously.

#zutara #anti anti zutara #anti kataang #anti maiko #pro zutara #atla fandom problems #atla fandom critical #atla fandom salt #anti atla fandom #zuko #katara #zuko x katara #katara x zuko