#anti infinity war

[gloriousburden]

although i am very critical of ragnarok/infinity and don’t take them as canon, i must admit that he was beautiful in these scenes and we so deserved scenes of our loki in blue lighting like this. sort of reminds me of the scene with the other in avengers 2012. forgive me my beloved mutuals and oomfs it’s not what it looks like

#loki #loki laufeyson #loki odinson #loki mcu #anti ragnarok #anti infinity war #og loki supremacy

[delyth88]

I'm still feeling heartbroken by the Loki series finale yesterday. And as a Loki fan I've been here before, but this time its a little different.

This is a different experience than for Infinity War. This time I actually got to see Loki becoming the central figure in the series, form relationships with people that I grew to care about, and then fight for them with every piece of intellect and magic that he has. And for me that's an important difference. We got to see him use his magic, we actually got to go on the journey with him as he tried to develop the skills he needed to save everyone. We saw that he spent centuries gaining the technical knowledge he needed, and how many times he tried to make things work. And then how each of the different avenues he tried got slowly blocked off until he was trapped with a single impossible choice. And it was only then that we saw him make a decision to sacrifice himself for the people he loves. And at this point in the episode I could buy that. I could see how he had come to this decision and exhausted all other possibilities.

The also gave him the time he needed for the audience to see it coming. Not too far in advance, but not just 30 seconds then BAM! And we were allowed the time to feel it afterwards too. And the other characters, the ones Loki had tried so hard to protect, recognised what he had done. The whole tone of the last minutes of the episode reinforced the importance of his sacrifice and the way the characters were feeling mirrored that of the audience and allowed us some time to say goodbye.

#so i won't be left thinking that can't possibly be the end #that must have been a trick #they sold it well this time #this all made sense internally #and he was valued for who he was not for what he could do for the plat #yes it still f@ckn hurts but i don't feel cheated #loki #loki series #loki series finale #loki season 2 #loki s2 ep6 #loki spoilers #loki fandom #f@ck infinity war #anti infinity war

[gay-jewish-bucky]

In the superior MCU (Marvel Cole Universe) the team defeats Thanos at the battle of Wakanda and in the excitement Steve proposes to Bucky right there on the battlefield and Bucky says yes (of course he says yes) and kisses Steve all over his stupid face and everyone celebrates with them ❤️

They are also pretty promptly made "get a room" because they've become very comfortable with PDA

#marvel #mcu #stevebucky #stucky #anti endgame #anti infinity war

[supervillainarchaeologist]

It's really annoying when you get smacked in the face on other platforms with how little other fans think of your favourite character(s).

Today I saw someone arguing against Sam Raimi directing an Avengers film and they said...

"Say what you want about the Russos, but they handled every single character in their Avengers movies with a ton of care."

And I read that thinking LAUGHS LOUDLY IN LOKI FAN. Heck, they even didn't give much of a shit about Thor considering even Ragnarok wasn't safe from them basically undoing everything that happened to Thor in that. But at least Thor got to go along for the ride in Infinity War rather than being thrown in the bin before the title card.

Just...*exasperated screaming* Don't ever change 2011-2013 Thor/Avengers/The Dark World people.

#anti infinity war #anti russos #loki #thor #the day fanboys finally accept the russos fucked up a lot of characters #is the day i know peace #i hate what they did to the Guardians too #especially gamora #and killing nat sucked as well #nobody has done hulk in the mcu right for years #but still wtf was that?!

[lucianalight]

Taika the satire idiot gave us hope then infinity war took it all away that thor and loki could ever have some kind of common ground

Oh right that was what you meant(I assume you're the same anon?). I didn't feel like the finale was like the beginning of IW. Loki's death in IW meant to be final. They had no plan to make a TV show when they were filming it. They even broke the fourth wall to make sure everyone get that this is his end. And in every interview tried desperately to convince the fans that Loki was dead this time for good.

And Loki's death was pointless, violent and graphic. He was treated as nothing but a plot device for other characters. And the directors claimed it was sth that he deserved.

This wasn't the case in the finale. He was portrayed as a hero not deserving of this fate. He was shown having the ability to travel through time and space (time slipping), stop time and keep the universe alive. And it was shown he can hear or maybe see what happens in each timeline. So he has infinite power and literally infinite knowledge on his hands. And he is Loki. Nothing can bound him forever. He'll find a better way.

So I have hope for the first time in years that we might actually get a Thor and Loki reunion worthy of og characters.

#anti thor ragnarok #anti taika waititi #anti infinity war #loki s2 positivity #anon #messages

[spooky-donut-ghost-house]

Question

What the fuck happened to Wanda's accent after Civil War? Did EO just get tired of doing it so they let her use her American accent?

#anti mcu #anti marvel cinematic universe #anti wanda #anti wanda maximoff #anti mcu wanda #anti wandavision #anti endgame #anti infinity war #anti doctor strange and the multiverse of madness #anti doctor strange & the multiverse of madness #anti dr strange and the multiverse of madness #anti dr strange & the multiverse of madness #anti dr. strange and the multiverse of madness #anti dr. strange & the multiverse of madness #anti elizabeth olsen #anti wendy maximoff

[lokiinmediasideblog]

Im sorry. Im just saying because Loki's shock value death IW is the worst thing to ever happen in cinema. I love the former antagonist working with the heroes to stop the bigger bad trope. It makes MORE SENSE. But nooooo

I hated it too. LOL. And I love that trope too. I hope something like that happens in S2. I love the whole "Loki is responsible for gathering the Avengers" so it's a nice arc to parallel that.

#mcu!loki #anon asks #anti infinity war #salt

[jebbifurzz]

"Surprise, Raisin-face!" - inspired by IW and its ridiculousness

I assume you have a preference?

Oh I do. Kill away.

...

Alright, stop!

Loki summons the Tesseract. Thanos smirks in triumph. Only for his face to get stuck that way. 'Cause he's frozen. 'Cause Loki just froze him using the Tesseract. Because Loki is a powerful magic user who has wielded Infinity Stones before, and had like 4 years to master the Tesseract.

Thanos reaches mentally for his connection to the Power stone in his gauntlet, only to find that oh, Loki transported it through space to his own waiting palm. So Thanos is frozen with nothing, and Loki now has the Tesseract and Power stone.

And now, for Loki's final trick! He makes a gesture, and the red veneer of the Reality stone peels back. The surrounding bodies of Asgardians resolve into what they were all along, Thanos's own forces, soundly defeated. Thanos's children are revealed to be already long dead, and those threatening Loki were mere illusions.

Surprise, raisin-face! Loki moved the Asgardians with the Tesseract, and fooled Thanos and his children into fighting each other to the death using the Aether.

But wait, Thanos whines. He thought the Collector had the Reality stone? Yeah, according to what intel, watching the previous MCU movies? Seriously, how else would you know that? Luckily, Loki anticipated that Thanos would have inexplicable knowledge of all the previous films (because the Russos wanted him to win without figuring out how he could do that without ooc heroes, nonsensical plot, and endless cheating and contrivances), so he sent the Collector a fake Aether, to fool Thanos into thinking it was there. In reality, Loki had the Aether all along.

So yeah, Loki went through the illusion thing to get Thanos's forces to kill each other. Then Loki froze Thanos just so he could show him that he'd been played. Then after Loki has a good laugh at frozen grape man, he uses the Tesseract to compress Thanos into oblivion.

Then he goes to Midgard to catch up with the Aesir, and Thor is like, where were you?, all judgey, as he does. And Loki's like oh, just dealing with a few minor nuisances. Nothing to worry about. Fixes his cape, looks awesome and spiffy. Yeah, and he has 3 Infinity stones. What of it? No one even knows. Maybe he'll go liberate the Time stone while he's here on Midgard...

#loki #mcu #infinity war fixit #anti infinity war #anti end game #thor #had this in my drafts #why not post it now

[soliloquent-stark]

tony's been on both sides of the ultra-specific situation of confronting mortality on the ground, towered over by a friend, and wondering if this is it. if that's the last face they'll ever see.

tony and steve.

peter and tony.

but in the face of possible death, tony and peter were nothing alike.

the discomfort of facing a death caused by someone you're supposed to trust versus the comfort of departing in the presence of someone you love.

the shame of allowing someone you admire to witness your weakness versus the regret of showing them your pain.

the last defiant act of accepting your faith, maintaining eye contact, and daring them to do it versus trying to fight your destiny, looking away, and apologising for not being able to stay.

the millisecond of disappointment when you realise you'll survive versus the millisecond of utter misery when you realise you won't.

tony got up both times, and life went on.

marvel parallels 13/?

robert downey jr and tom holland in captain america: civil war (2016) and avengers: infinity war (2018)

#NOT anti steve rogers #marvel parallels #irondad and spiderson #gifs by soliloquent #tony stark meta #peter parker meta #tony stark #peter parker #iron man #spiderman #rdj #tom holland #tony stark gif #peter parker gif #captain america civil war #avengers infinity war #peter parker and tony stark #mcu gif #marvel gif #avengers #avengers gif

[hainethehero]

So I made the mistake of stumbling onto the NOT STEVE ROGERS FRIENDLY tag today and..

You have to be a special type of delusional to be this obsessed with a character you don't like!??

Over 2k fics have the tag and are almost entirely Tony Stark-centered fics. I'm assuming these are the "fans" who totally buy into the MCU canon and don't know any other Captain America lore outside of what Feige and Whedon have done. Or, they're the "fans" who refuse to understand the politics behind Steve's character and how he was inherently undermined throughout the entire ten years of the MCU by the directors and writers for most of the films.

Because the arguments in most of these fics for being "not Steve rogers friendly" are really surface level shit like:

1) "Steve refused to sign the Accords and broke up the Avengers" (he was right & he didn't break them up, an overemotional Tony did when he refused to listen to Bucky's side of the story).

2) Steve fought Tony and almost killed him (yeah, like Tony didn't blast Bucky's arm off and shoot his repulsor rays directly at Steve).

3)Steve is homophobic (y'all are just making up reasons to hate this man atp)

4)Steve is racist (Steve hated racists & you'd know that if you read the comics, or you guys are just that deluded that you're making Steve racist & trying to project it as canon and therefore a "reasonable" explanation as to why you hate him)

5)Blaming Steve for Rhodey's accident (WHICH WAS TEAM TONY'S FAULT!)

6)YALL, THEY MADE STEVE THE BAD GUY IN A BROCK RUMLOW/BUCKY FIC! I stg I cannot make this shit up💀 Steve's bad for wanting Bucky to be Bucky again, but somehow Brock's the good guy for wanting Bucky to be the Soldier...

Steve left Bucky for Peggy (we'll get to this soon)

There's a hundred more irrational reasons for the Steve Rogers hate, but let me get to the WORST part.

THERE ARE BUCKY STANS WHO ARE ANTI-STEVE ROGERS.

And I'm sorry, no. I don't accept that you love Bucky Barnes but hate the one person he loves the most in the world.

They argued in a couple fics that "Bucky also went rogue after Siberia but he didn't want to associate with Steve, Nat & the rest of the team- WHO HELPED RESCUE BUCKY & EVENTUALLY EXONERATE HIM- but rather, he went off on his own & eventually Tony finds him, they hash it out and become friends to lovers."

Helppp???? Wdym Bucky isn't gonna stick with the one man he's been keeping diaries about to try and get back his memories? But he'll go to the one guy that re-traumatized him by blowing out his arm again?

Not only that, but Bucky absolutely hates Steve in some of these fics and the reason will be, "he left Bucky to go back to Peggy." Like, you cannot be a serious fan if you're still going with the Endgame canon. For a majority of us, we recognize Endgame as being nothing but terrible writing and mischaracterizations. Why are yall not analyzing and interpreting media critically? The MCU has never been on Steve's side and have always diminished his character in an attempt to make Tony the ultimate hero of the OG 6. Don't yall know the discourse? It's embarrassing atp.

And this is my stance on the entire thing: there's nothing wrong with writing fics about characters you don't necessarily like or aren't interested in. It's OKAY if you don't like Steve Rogers- but you've gotta be rational about him, instead of hateful. Most, if not all of these "anti-steve" fics are written in bad faith. Bad understanding of the character and pure, shameless mischaracterizations which just makes these types of fics fickle and weak- hilarious to read though cos that Brock one had me deadddd😭💀.

#steve rogers #anti steve rogers #not steve rogers friendly #ao3 #stucky #stony #tony stark #fanfic writers #yall gon learn today #bad writing #captain america #mcu #marvel #avengers endgame #infinity war #iron man #cacw #bucky barnes #the winter soldier #think piece #ted talks #mischaracterization #steve rogers hate is unsubstantiated #kevin feige #joss whedon

[memingursa]

Wait hold on fucking What?

#anti mcu #marvel #marvel tw #infinity war #vision #scarlet witch

[jennrypan]

...Imagine a loki series where he gets to think about his family instead of who the fuck he's gonna have sex with :))

Imagine a loki series where he's just tryna find where his family was happy, where Frigga is alive and he and Thor didn't hate each other

Imagine a series where it shows him going to different universes while escaping tva HIMSELF cuz he's not incompetent, imagine one where he uses his magic more properly. Where we see his Jotenheim form?? :)))

And it's not about if he likes his female self or fucking Mobius..Morbid? Mobius omg. Cuz THAT WOULDNT BE THE MAIN FOCUS (Also. Tbh both ships are boring. Sorry not sorry. Loki had more chemistry with Tony damn stark and that was brief and in the first avengers movie. Like..omg please. Leave him signal. PLEADE NOT EVERYONE NEEDS A LOVE INTEREST.)

#anti sylki #anti loki series #my rage for this show is coming back FULL FORCE lemme tell ya #cuz. marvel has SUCKED majorly since endgame. actually..since Infinity War tbh #i use to looove these characters and nlw they basically dont exist #mcu

[irondad-defensesquad]

the mcu also lacked rhodey roasting steve for treating tony like shit

#me seeing rhodey being chill with the rogues in infinity war: GIVE ME BACK MY /REAL/ RHODEY #lotus speaks #anti steve rogers #anti team cap #tony stark defense squad #rhodey deserves to kick steve's ass. as a treat

[illicthearts]

I watched Infinity War today, sometimes I question why I liked it so much because half the things they do pisses me off. Especially Quill he pisses me off so much.

And STEVE, don’t even get me started on him. “We don’t trade lives,” JUST A MOVIE A GO YOU WERE PREACHING THAT WE NEED ACCEPT THAT IN YOUR LINE OF WORK YOU CAN’T SAVE EVERYONE. And than he goes ahead sacrifices a bunch of people (POCs) to save a ROBOT! Who mind you could be made again.

But I guess that only applies to faceless people. Not to the people you know personally and especially not if Wanda loves that person. I hate his hypocritical ass so much.

#pro team iron man #pro tony stark #tony stark defence squad #tony stark #tony was right #infinity war #avengers infinity war #the avengers #marvel mcu #marvel #mcu #anti peter quill #anti steve rogers #anti captain america #anti team cap #anti wanda maximoff #anti vision

[lucianalight]

You say the show characters weren't divided to "good" and "evil" but they are still stripping people and putting collars their necks which personally I find pretty messed up. This is my problem and why I can't bring myself to watch season 2 because everything I end up seeing seems like the TVA is still doing horrible things and not treated with the weight it should. Like, there's torture scene, but it's supposed to be okay because turns out it wasn't really physical? Like thats still torture that crosses the line way past grey in my opinion.

It's these two images for me is why I can't be asked to see any of the TVA as just grey especially it's asked while Loki is still called a villain. He didn't do a fraction as bad as they did.

If what I saw was Mobius owing up to being wrong about believing in the TVA and how his glorious purpose hurt people instead of seeing Loki say he invaded New York because he was mad at Thor and Odin, maybe I wouldn't still mad at the show

The actions are wrong, it doesn't matter who they're against what justification they have for using them. I rather have a story the condemns those actions and finds a better way than one that keeps the system with only a promise that now they'll only target the bad people

What I've been trying to say and said before in my s2 review, is that the narrative is neutral this time. It just shows you the story and leaves you to decide for yourself how you want to judge characters and their actions. That's sth very important for me in a story. I always have an instant knee jerk reaction to any blunt sort of message/framing even if it's a good one. I hate it when I feel like the writer is holding up a sign and telling me "look look it's a bad/good action or you should love/hate this character". No, thank you very much I can think for myself. The writer's feelings towards the characters can also bleed through so you understand when a character is treated by distaste and another with adoration.

These were the most important issues I had with s1. Because it stopped me from doing what I love most, in-universe analysis. Sth the fandom were doing before TR. No one told us, what happened to Loki before Avengers, we were shown clues. No one told us the reasoning behind every sentence of the characters and what they meant. But we analyzed every single action and expression. We put the pieces of puzzle together and built the picture. I was happy doing just that, until with TR the in-universe analysis didn't make sense so we had to look what caused it from out-universe pov.

Now with s2 having that neutrality I want, I don't care what the creators wanted to say as long as the characterization and actions make sense and are consistent with how I see the canon material. That's why Loki's line about New York didn't make me angry.

That hatred and dismissal toward Loki we felt in TR, IW and S1 is also gone. So having that irritating narrative of s1 out of the way and a better writing, the characters look grey to me. Which means like any other human they do bad things and good things. I didn't got the feeling that any of wrong actions are framed as sth good. Not putting collar on people(they were actually uncomfortable), not the torture scene(which I hated as I explained in my review) and not what TVA was doing all this time. In fact one of the few instances of framing in the narrative is that their atrocities were acknowledged.

The promotions of S2 were terrible though. I have no idea what they were thinking. None of the trailers were interesting and who would buy TVA merch? They're not even aesthetically beautiful and why would anyone want one of those creepy posters anyway? Although that's what happens when you sideline your main character in s1 and then you have nothing except creepy totalitarian merch for promotion smh. So yeah I get what you mean.

The ending also wasn't like now they're targeting the bad guys. It was shown that they won't interfere with what happens in timelines unless one of HWR's variants start a war and their intervention was needed. I haven't watched ant-man 3 but I assume they were referring to it when they said one of his variants made trouble but it was handled and their intervention wasn't needed. So they just intervene when the people of a timeline can't handle sth themselves. I also got the impression that they were changing their whole system to sth new.

In the end I hope it's been clear that by posting about the series, I'm not insisting, encouraging or recommending others to watch it. Because I know what Loki means to us. And Because I've seen many of my mutuals didn't like s2. Some did. S1 still makes me as angry as the first time I watched it but I liked s2(that doesn't mean I won't criticize it though). No two people are ever gonna agree with each other on everything. So it's ultimately a choice everyone need to make themselves.

#loki s1 criticism #loki s2 positivity #anti thor ragnarok #anti infinity war #therese-lokidottir #messages

[moon-andstardust]

So I've come across a lot of posts that basically say that the only reason people didn't like Steve's ending was because they didn't want him to be happy/they didn't allow him to be selfish. And the last one riled me up enough to post this.

Disclaimer: I'm not trying to attack anyone's opinion, I'm stating my interpretation of Steve's ending and the reasons why I, personally, didn't like it

My reasons for hating disliking Steve's ending, in no particular order:

1. He wouldn’t fit in

Steve has been out of ice for at least ten years, give or take a few. He has had time to adjust and somewhat get used to his new reality. He has also changed as a person(even if his core character traits remained the same). To say that Steve went through a lot would be an understatement: Chitauri invasion, Ultron, Sokovia accords, the whole Thanos shitshow. Anyone who could've understood these things he left behind.

His loneliness isn't necessarily a new thing either, Steve didn't have all that many friends besides Bucky even in the 19s.

By the time endgame rolls around, I think his trouble with fitting in has less to do with what year he was born in and more with other people's reluctance to see beyond his captain america mask.

He'd be just as out of place in the Past as he was in the Future.

2. Peggy has already lived her life.

It's been made obvious that she lived quite a happy life without Steve even if she mourned his death. Peggy had a husband. She had children. All of her life choices were completely disregarded by Steve when he shoehorned his way back into Peggy's life.

Also, she has been dead for about seven years now. And Steve, whose entire character arc before this movie was about changing and adapting, never giving up despite the trauma he experienced, never came to terms with it? He hadn't even known her all that well before going under the ice.

3. Steve can't back down from a fight if his the only one who can help

It's been established many many times that Steve hardly ever backs down from a fight, he's always trying to help people: "If I see a situation going south I can't ignore it." This guy. This guy proceeded to ignore: His best friend being tortured, experimented on and brainwashed by nazi scientists for seventy years; His other best friend being tortured, experimented on and turned into a child assassin by kgb; A secret nazi organization keen on murdering twenty million people slowly corrupting an organization his girlfriend/wife is trying to build.

I can see Steve retiring because he trusted his friends to do the right thing and protect people when he couldn't, but I can't see Steve turning a blind eye on the aforementioned when he was the only one even aware of them

On top of it all, Bucky's family was still around when Steve came back. Did he look Bucky's grieving family straight in the eyes as he told them that their son, their brother, was dead and never coming back? Did he toast in honor of Bucky with the Howling Commandos all the while knowing where he really was? I'm sorry, but I really can't reconcile this version of Steve with the one depicted in the earlier films.

In conclusion, my dislike for Steve's ending wasn't because I didn't want him to be selfish or happy, it was because his decision was extremely out of character and badly written.

#steve rogers #captain america #captain america the first avenger #captain america the winter soldier #captain america civil war #infinity war #avengers endgame #the avengers #anti endgame #meta #captain america meta #mcu #marvel #marvel cinematic universe #mcu meta