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iverna · 2 years

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Loved your post about Star Wars and toxic masculinity. I was just 👏👏👏 This is one problem I have with the sequels and The Book of Boba Fett's portrayal of how Luke sets up his Jedi Academy. Why would he repeat the order's mistakes and insist that Grogu and his nephew suppress their emotions and break attachments? I prefer the novels where Luke rejects the "no emotional attachments" part of the old Jedi code. I think it fits the character and the narrative better.

Aaahhh yes I have so many thoughts about this. All the Disney canon set after the OT seems to just... ignore the lessons of the prequels and their consequences.

And imo those are lessons that Obi-Wan and Yoda actually learned. Obi-Wan literally went from telling Anakin "control your feelings, be mindful of your thoughts" to telling Luke "act on instinct, trust your feelings" - he learned from his mistakes. He realised that the Jedi Order's "no attachment" rules were part of what led to Anakin's downfall. Neither he nor Yoda ever mentioned the "no attachment" thing to Luke. They warned him against confronting Vader when he wasn't ready, but they didn't tell him that he shouldn't care about Han and Leia and just let them go. Compare that to the way Yoda told Anakin to let go of everyone he feared to lose--that's a big shift in tone and message.

Even the fact that they sent Luke and Leia to live with normal people, to have a normal upbringing without any Jedi training. That's completely counter to the Jedi Order's teachings, but they did it. And I think it's because they realised that the problem wasn't that Anakin was too old, the problem was that they took him away from his mother. It's better to let Luke and Leia grow up loved and supported and safe, because that isn't something that actually interferes with Jedi training.

I imagine that Obi-Wan also realised, after everything went wrong, that the no-attachment thing simply... does not work. He was distraught when Qui-Gon died, he was completely destroyed by what happened with Anakin. He had attachments, and Anakin had attachments; the only difference was that Obi-Wan was able to handle everything that came with that in a reasonably healthy way. So maybe it's better to teach people to handle these things in a healthy way than to avoid, aka suppress, them.

And sure, the OT was filmed first, and most of the books were written pre-PT, and Lucas probably didn't know about the Jedi Order's rules yet. BUT. He still reverse-engineered them that way for the PT, knowing that it would contradict what's in the OT, knowing that Luke's Jedi training would be different from the official doctrine. So he still did that on purpose. Because that's the message. Suppressing emotions is bad, trusting them is good.

Not to mention that the new canon approach is inconsistent with itself. You can't keep the no-attachment rule but then also have Leia marrying Han and having a child with him, and to have that child raised by his parents and then trained by his uncle... I mean, there's attachments right there. The old Order would never have allowed that.

So yeah, I completely agree. Luke is the first of the new Jedi, trained by Obi-Wan and Yoda, who knew all of the old Order rules but left them out. It makes far more sense to have a new Order, where we focus on learning how to have healthy relationships and care about people without obsessing over them, to be in love without becoming co-dependent, to accept loss and grief as a natural part of life and handle it in a healthy way, etc. Emotionally mature people do not let their emotions take over, so they don't fall to the Dark Side. The old Order had become so afraid of the Dark Side that they tried to eliminate emotions, and that just doesn't work. And it's not like Anakin was the first time that approach backfired.

Luke also has his own experiences to draw on. He became strong in the Force by trusting his instincts and his feelings. He learned how to be guided by feelings without letting them take the reins. And he learned that ultimately, it was his father's attachment, that little bit of love that Anakin still had for his children, that saved him, and the whole galaxy. Luke's faith in his friends and in his father, Anakin's love for his son, that's what triumphed over the Emperor. And when you've experienced that it really makes no sense to turn around and say, "right, we're Jedi, so we're not allowed to love, no familial bonds, we're calm emotionless robots." Because Luke never saw the damage that "attachment" (allegedly) wreaked, he just saw how it could make him stronger and save his father and fix everything.

So yes. I am 100% with you on the "Luke Skywalker would never tell anyone not to have friends or family or relationships because that's not what he was taught and those things are what gave him strength and saved the galaxy" hill.

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helbertinelli · 2 years

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Am I the only one who thinks the torgrunta Shaak Ti makeup in rots looks alot better than what Disney did for live action Ahsoka ? She just looks like a human with some paint on her

I agree. ROTS did Togrutas better. Ahsoka does seem like just a human with paint on her and even in SW Rebels, they drastically altered her design to make her look more human.

It's not even her being grown because TCW showed us adult Ahsoka and she looked more like a Togruta. In Rebels, she just looks like she's a human with orange skin and white face paint. Same in the live action stuff she was in. I guess it fits those memes and stereotypes that the female of an alien species on screen is just a human with a brightly colored skin.

Tbh it's not just Ahsoka's design being lazy, but basically all the live action SW shows look more like MCU than SW. Like the clothes and sets and make-up and everything just look like regular sci-fi/action movie stuff. There's no Star Wars feel to the new shows because I guess they stopped trying and it shows that the person who cared about SW is no longer in charge of SW.

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short-wooloo · 1 year

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LET. GRAHAM HAMILTON. PLAY. YOUNG. LUKE SKYWALKER!

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dailydragon08 · 8 months

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I hate the “no attachments” rhetoric so much and I hate that both Ahsoka and Luke in Mando and TBOBF fell straight back into it. Cuz they especially should know more than anyone that the feelings of isolation, feeling like you’re not in a safe space to healthily process your emotions—which requires actually feeling them and being in an environment where you’re allowed to feel them—and feeling like you have a support system where you can speak your feelings without judgment to get guidance and support is REQUIRED for Jedi to stay on the light side. Cuz loneliness, feeling like a burden, feeling like if you have one bad emotion it makes you all bad because of rules around feelings that are unrealistic and too rigorous makes you way more susceptible to the dark side.

Trying to beat bad emotions out of people completely is unrealistic. Expecting literal children to not feel those feelings and just know what to do with them cuz you’ve created a space where those feelings are forbidden is unrealistic. Pushing feelings and emotions down and “burying” them (re: obi wan telling luke “bury your feelings deep down” in ROTJ) and expecting those people to be perfectly healthy is unrealistic. Wanting this level of control over people, their thoughts, and their emotions, and this black and white thinking is not only toxic and dangerous, but is akin to cult culture. The PT era Jedi were extremists in this way and just too blind and couldn’t accept any criticism enough to see it because for some reason, a bunch of old guys decided evolution was not allowed and they’d just keep running the system the same way they always had with no room for change and that would somehow be this foolproof path to survival—which is a complaint a lot of people have about our current irl political system and is causing a lot of damage, btw.

Like wasn’t that the whole point of showing the Jedi’s fall? And doesn’t clone wars especially show how this thinking created all these cracks in the system that Palpatine was easily able to exploit and manipulate and Anakin was just someone who wanted change in the order and he was ostracized for it, so Palpatine latched onto him and Anakin was like “oh finally someone values me,” just to be manipulated and abused and have his whole life blown up to the point that he thought the empire was his only option (obv not excusing the atrocities, just saying I can see how he got to where he did mentally by ROTS)? Like he literally tells Luke that they can team up to overthrow the emperor and in ROTJ, when Luke tries to get him to run with him pre-throne room battle, he says “it’s too late for me,” so he KNOWS this is bad and only going to get worse, but has resigned himself to it.

Like wasn’t the whole point of the OT and the “I can’t kill my own father/there’s still good in him/I can turn him back to the good side” meant to prove that Jedi DO NEED healthy connections in order to thrive and stay on the light side? If they wanna forbid anything, they should be forbidding possession and control, but the PT Jedi Council instead used that for their own benefit and lacked any self awareness to see they’d just become what they were preaching against.

Like give me a post-OT Jedi council who teaches healthy connection and letting things go that aren’t meant for you to control and that friendships and relationships can be powerful things that bring you back to the light in your darkest moments, and a more Legends-esque New Jedi Order that values emotional health and well-being and is a safe space for not only the galaxy, but Force sensitives, no matter how they’re built instead of trying to force everyone into the same box. This is the order I wanted to see Luke cultivate in canon and I will forever be salty that this isn’t what we got.

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punkeropercyjackson · 3 months

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i KNOW there's a huge wave of Annabeth and Leah hate coupled with Luke/Percy bullshit that's just gonna be a second wave of what Reylos did to Finn and John only this time even worse because it's gonna be what's basically child abuse since Leahbeth is fucking 14.I am fucking sick and tired of black characters and even black actors existing next to white faves being seen as inherently 'problematic' but grown ass white men who're fascists and into people way too young for them being seen as 'womanly fantasies' and 'gay love stories'

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thl-vrmr · 1 year

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That one girl from Beyond the Trailer saying she had problems with the new Scarlet Witch comic because 'It focused on the twin's Roma heritage and thus made the MCU version look bad' and also because 'It has nothing to do with the MCU's Scarlet Witch who is popular'... Some people just shouldn't have opinions

#These are actually good things about that comic #These are in no way flaws #Also am I meant to feel bad that the new SW Solo is making the MCU look bad... Because I am not #Like it did that to itself. Im not gonna pity a Disney-owned company working with bigoted people #Olsen/MCU stans stay out of my mentions you're annoying #Wanda Maximoff #Scarlet Witch #Anti MCU #Hating Hours #B4 anyone gets on my dick I am joking people are allowed to have opinions. But however if these opinions are shit Im not gonna hold back #Its 3AM Im tired and Im hating to distract myself from exams hbu all?

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younglingslayer300 · 3 months

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one of the reasons i hate the sequels, regardless of quality, is the fact that they undermine the original trilogy. i don't think they're very well written, and frankly i like the prequels than the ot anyway, but the main issue is that this is a franchise, and the sequels have neatly undermined everything about that franchise.

some of the other newer content does this for me as well - again, it's not an issue of quality, i don't care how good the new tv shows and books or whatever actually are, but they take away from the basis of star wars! the point, tragic though it was, was that no one from the original jedi order survived, and luke's new jedi order was an entirely fresh start. the sequels are terrible because they make it look like luke failed badly (bad move to undermine the main character of the beginning of all of star wars?? but ok??), and actually someone else has to come along and do his own journey for him (again, moronic thing to do to your original protagonist).

and in terms of other new content - i love lots of new characters, like ahsoka, but at this point it's getting insane. yoda's baby frog cousin survived order 66. this random ginger survived order 66. another padawan survived it. actually whole hosts of padawans survived it. the villain in ahsoka's show was some random guy who survived it. the fucking LIBRARIAN survived order 66, even if she did die a year later. order 66 was the most pathetic failure of a mass murder in the history of fictional mass murders, and while that is kind of funny, it does also make the whole point of star wars stupid. it's a big tragedy that luke is the only jedi left, and while he can start a new order, there's no way to get back thousands of years of living history - except that actually darth vader, one of the most feared villains in fictional history, was pretty incompetent, as was palpatine, the master of the downfall of a thousand year old republic. everyone has survived. luke is whining about nothing. why did he face palpatine alone when he could have called on hordes of force sensitives with as much/more training than him. you're building your wall with material from the ground below it?? has anyone at disney actually watched star wars

and ok, the tv shows are sometimes kind of counter-productive, but not everyone's going to watch those, they're not such a big deal. but to undermine the original trilogy in another trilogy?? to make the original heroes look bad and incompetent in the main films? what's the point of adding to a franchise if you're going to make the basis of the franchise look bad

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haydanakin · 1 year

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Can we please just fire Dave Filoni and Kathleen Kennedy now. I'm so tired of Padme and Naboo erasure. Both of them are important to Star Wars! And I hate the foreshadowing of the ST. The ST should've never happened at all. Screw JJ Abrams and Rian whatever his last name is.

ANYWAYS, the Jedi Order is reborn, and Luke is guiding the new Jedi. The New Republic has formed, and the galaxy is recovering from years of darkness from the Empire. What are sequels again? Idk. Sequels don't exist. I just see a new golden era in the galaxy.

If you're wondering, anon is responding to this post

Part I - Dave Filoni I will say Dave Filoni under the direction of George Lucas gave us amazing stuff-- Ahsoka Tano, Rex, Fives, Echo, Jesse, expansion of Order 66, the Clone Wars themselves. But him on his own? Not so great.

Ahsoka's walkabout in s7 was boring, the two sisters had potential but blundered in the execution. The BadBatch arc in s7 featured super amazing Anakin, and I did like the whole 'rescue Echo' plot line, but the Bad Batch as a TV show… I have some criticisms of it.

I like the ' what happens to the Clones after the Empire forms? They've served their purpose-- are they still relevant?' story line. It would be a great one to explore with normal clones. In fact, following Cody around, a clone who did participate in Order 66 and had his mind taken over, would've been a novel experience.

Instead we get genetically enhanced clones who don't have programing chips cause they're special snowflakes and don't partake in Order 66 bc they're special. Getting to see their side of Order 66 really brought nothing-- it's the same as the Jedi. Why are the clones turning against the Jedi? No one knows! It's rinse and repeat watered down version of ROTS, and i'd much prefer watching that movie over the first two episodes of TBB.

I will also give credit-- Dave Filoni and Favereau gave me The Mandalorian. A side character who doesn't know he's the main character just trying to make his way in the larger GFFA. He's a normal guy with a job. Then new dad has to deal with his adopted kid having Wizard powers. ME Likey. It's similar to Andor in down to earth, not life and death, Jedi/Sith fate of the Galaxy type of thing. It's what normal life would've been like in GFFA.

Third season and some of second season haven't felt like that though. Din keeps meeting all these famous people that are tied of in the 'Fate of the Galaxy' --Bo Katan, Ahsoka, Boba Fett, Cad Bane, Luke fucking Skywalker-- instead of more normal people. I do appreciate the smallness of season 1-- we had Peli, and Omera, and Karga. Characters not known to the larger galaxy, but still important in their own right.

Part II- Female Characters

Star Wars has never appreciated or loved it's female characters with the exception of Princess Leia. Original Trilogy follows Luke-- male character, who with the help of an older male character, goes and finds another male character pilot to help them infiltrate a small moon space ship full of male characters.

There are exactly TWO female speaking characters in A New Hope and one gets kriffed off to 'enhance male pain'.

Now, by nature of the story, Padme Amidala get shafted before she was even ever named or created -- Luke was raised by his aunt and uncle so something must have happened to his mother. She is 'unknown mother' defined only relationship with her son and then later to her husband.

It's not until the Phantom Menace when she gets her own storyline, that is little to non effected by her relationship to Anakin. She's a queen who has someone invade her planet, and with the help of two Jedi and the Gungan People, saves the day.

Anakin helps of course, by first winning them enough credits to get off tattooine, and second by blowing up the control ship, but both situations could be solved without Anakin. He becomes the unnecessary character-- his introducution is so low-key you don't realize the story is about him until Revenge of the Sith. He's a supporting side character in both Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones.

Both prequel movies that don't feature Anakin as protagonist or antagonist are hated by a large majority of SW fans, and usually because of the crime of not being perfect. Jar Jar Binks is just as annoying as C-3PO imo, but because the protagonist of TPM is Padme Amidala, the movie is hated, as opposed to ANH which features Luke.

Padme's fate was written before she even had a chance to exist, and therefore has no agency. I've seen others label her as weak, pointless, lame, because she dies of a broken heart, 'oh why didn't she live for her children' SHE DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE OKAY. George had already killed her by then, she can't live for her children when the author has decided otherwise. The nature of a prequel is it must narratively co-exist with the story already told. Padme must die or be removed from the picture so that Luke can be raised by his Aunt and Uncle. Anakin must fall to the Dark-Side so that he can be Darth Vader and do a heel-face turn at the end of ROTJ. the end has already been written. The beginning must fall in line.

Getting back on topic. Fathers are mentioned in The Mandalorian- which makes sense since it's about a Father and his Son. oh wait that's seems that's what Star Wars is about. Prequels were Anakin picking which father-figure he wanted to follow. Luke saving his Father. Din Djarin adopting a son with magic powers.

But Bo-Katan mentions her father TWICE and her sister doesn't even get a mention. Even though Bo was there at Satine's death, and the reason Bo left death watch and stood up to Maul. When Satine died, Mandalore split and fractured and any attempt of restoring mandalore just resulted in more fracturing and shattering.

In Obi-Wan Kenobi not mentioning Padme was criminal. The whole reason Anakin fell was to save her. Her daughter and son were featured prominently and her name didn't come up once besides two vague mentions.

SW needs to treat it's female characters better. Right now Leia is still the only one that's almost universally loved by the fans. Even Bo Katan has issues. By not acknowledging her past and mistakes and death watch , instead of making her a stronger character, the writers have made her weak. Making mistakes and learning from them and growing from them are what causes her to be relatable. So far, Mando S3 has been rushing her redemption process. They're having her reunite Mandalore, but she hasn't atoned or made up for her failings in the past.

It was her involvement in Death Watch that lead to her sisters death, and the writers essentially ignoring that and trying to hide it is lazy and the antithesis to character growth.

Part III - Disney's Anti- Prequel campaign.

The sequel trilogy… is problematic. While trying to emulate and give us the 'star wars' feeling again, all the films did was undermine the finale of the original trilogy.

What was Darth Vader's return to the light for if we're just going to bring back Palpatine? What was the point of Luke's rejection of the darkside and declaring himself a Jedi in the face of evil itself, if we're just going to have him become a hermit on a planet because he gave up? What was the point of the Alliance to Restore the Republic if we're just going to blow it up because it's corrupt?

The problem with trying to avoid the prequel trilogy is the sequel trilogy just became the prequel trilogy. Hear me out.

We have a corrupt Republic that is destroyed by an Empire. A Jedi student falls to the Dark Side and serves the Empire. A desert dwelling person with magical powers is told that they are the key to saving the galaxy. Am i talking about the Prequel Trilogy or the Sequel Trilogy?

The difference is the prequel trilogy was planned. From start to finish, no half baked retconning or switching directions (both original and sequel trilogies suffered from this) George Lucas had the entire prequels laid out. Their largest crime I believe is in writing/dialogue-- not the plot. It's complicated-- how does a republic turn into an empire? How does a Jedi Knight become a sith? How does the Jedi Order become extinct? Through War and Careful Planning. So while the prequels are not perfect, their world building brought much needed light and explanation to the Original Trilogy. It answered questions, but the answers were not what everyone liked.

They wanted the Republic to be conquered by an outside Empire, not for it to be one and the same. Fans wanted Anakin to be strong and heroic, and not a man who is crippled by self-doubt and his greatest failure is his greatest strength- his breath and depth of love.

The sequel trilogy should've been the struggle of not repeating the same mistakes. Of avoiding the past not repeating it. Of Luke not giving up and not becoming Obi-Wan. Of Han not becoming Qui-Gon Jinn or Ben Skywalker not becoming Darth Vader. Or Rey being her own self and not being Luke 2.0 aka finding out that her grandfather is evil just like Luke found out that his father was evil.

Star Wars is was the first to suffer from Disney's new nostalgia machine where live action play by play of beloved animated movies are created without souls; and sequels that are just the same story retold with the next generation. 'Happily Ever After The End' no longer exists, the hope of a happy ending destroyed with the next sequel announcement. Where does it end Disney? When you've wrung the last love and enjoyment out of your original titles? When consumers no longer go to the movies to see your new Frankenstein movie? When catering Fan Service is no longer profitable?

Disney's addiction to sequels and reboots found it's first home in Star Wars Sequel Trilogy and continues in the rest of the Star Wars universe. What is Boba Fett if not a sequel to Mandalorian? What is Ahsoka if not a sequel to Rebels? What is Obi-Wan Kenobi if not a sequel to the Prequel Trilogy? What is Andor if not a prequel to Rogue one?

The Mandalorian didn't start out that way. Was it in the same universe? yes and so by nature it makes it a sequel. But there were new original characters and an original story. Now it's become a sequel and a prequel; the connecting link instead of a stand alone.

So yes anon, Padme and Satine deserve better. But you know what? We deserve better too.

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oreolesbian · 1 year

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they quite literally have zero new ideas about anything 🙃

#hey guys! what if…and hear me out now…the jedi were in dissaray #groundbreaking stuff #sw #disney sw critical #anti disney sw #there are other ways to have force sensitive characters w/o the central conflict being turmoil within the jedi order #look i love daisy and i’m glad she can get work but rey is a bad character (bc she has no character)#and if they have to do anything for the love of god at least they’re ruining something i dont care about lmao

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the-far-bright-center · 4 months

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In my view, ‘Star Wars’ is the Prequels and Original Trilogy—aka, the story of Anakin’s rise, fall, and redemption. In other words, the Skywalker saga. I simply cannot relate to the (imo, fanon) idea that the Jedi are the MAIN protagonists of the story. This was never the case, not in the Lucas saga, at least. It’s not that the Jedi are the ‘bad guys’, either—it’s just that the Skywalker family is what the saga is actually about. The Sith vs. Jedi struggle is simply the *backdrop* against which the story is set. The fact that so many fans seem to insist otherwise is one of the many reasons I struggle to engage with current SW fandom.

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hanasnx · 6 months

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cast your votes fellas. im expecting at least 7 of you will see this

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mystarwarsmatters · 3 days

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There are ppl that think the ending of Rogue One is “peak Star Wars” and oh god that makes me so sad.

#anti disney star wars #oh man #i might agree if any of the characters were likeable aside from K2 #EVERYTHING Disney SW is is ripped off from the original GL SW #all of it #it cannot be peak it’s just not technically possible

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short-wooloo · 4 months

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With the news from Adam Driver about how kylo redemption was never the plan originally and his story was basically meant to be reverse Vader, I'd like to resurrect an old conspiracy theory of mine about Rise of Skywalker

So the duel in the ruins of the death star, y'know how it ends with Rey stabbing kylo and then she heals him?

Well I believe he originally was meant to die there, Rey killed him in anger, and it causes a breakdown in her, she's upset not only that she failed Leia and couldn't redeem kylo, but also terrified by her anger, scared that she truly is a Palpatine, and from there we get our pep talk from Luke and final battle with Sidious

Basically I think Rey healing kylo was a last minute addition to the script (probably at disney's insistence)

And the rest of the film doesn't exactly prove me wrong

How does kylo get to exegol after Rey took his TIE fighter? Well apparently in the exploded, sitting in water for 30 years ruins of the death star there's not only a functional imperial TIE, but one with a hyperdrive too

What does kylo do upon reaching exegol? Fight the knights of Ren, something Rey herself could do or perhaps even better you could have had the Knights fight Finn, Rose and the Resistance soldiers

Does kylo meaningfully contribute to the final battle with Sidious? Not really, he gets drained of his life force by Sidious (so basically he inadvertently helps him) and is thrown down a hole for the rest of the battle, Rey does all the heavy lifting from there

The only meaningful contribution kylo makes after his "redemption" is sacrificing himself to revive Rey, which may not have even needed to happen because the only reason she was so drained is because kylo being there caused Sidious to realize he could absorb both of their life forces to restore himself (so in a way, it's his fault!) Alternatively it could have just been written that Rey passed out due to exhaustion and was otherwise fine

So yeah, that's my conspiracy, not that crazy, perfectly reasonable from my perspective

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izzythehutt · 2 years

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I like how the normie consensus about the Kenobi show is that it "fixes" Obi-Wan lying to Luke about his father being dead at Vader's hand as opposed to being Vader himself because "oh Vader told him that and he really believed it" (I don't think this ever needed to be fixed, personally), when from my perspective it makes Ben look like more of a dick because it suggests that he was perfectly capable of killing Darth Vader in the in-between trilogies period and just...didn't for no clear or discernible reason. And in fact pushed off the responsibility onto Vader's own son. Which makes him MORE of a dick.

Look, I can forgive Mustafar. Anakin had just turned, it was an emotional time, and Obi-Wan was not unreasonable to assume nobody could survive that. But a second shot that you walk away from?

They could have made the final fight a little less of an obvious win, or given Obi-Wan a clear and urgent reason to run away before finishing the job (like one of the twins in danger) but instead he just completely overpowers and curbstomps Vader, then dicks off and leaves his former apprentice/murder robot a wheezing mess. If Obi-Wan really does think Vader "killed" Anakin, then he's a shitty Jedi, fullstop. You can have him not be able to let go of Anakin and therefore not have it in him to kill, OR he's completely accepted Vader is just a Sith and a menace and he has to kill. You don't get it both ways.

I enjoyed the dramatic angst of the confrontation as much as the next person, but I am also forced to concede that the entire OT depends on the fact of Luke (and, failing him, Leia) are the only people capable of defeating Vader and the Emperor. The movies just...kind of fundamentally don't work if there's another option, since Yoda and Obi-Wan literally say "there is no other option." This is the Skywalker show.

(In this house we ignore the ST because it's garbage, but I digress)

So what I'm saying is the show is, like most everything in the Disney era, a superfluous and canon-breaking fanfic I'm perfectly capable of enjoying for what it is while fully recognizing it contradicts what the films it's spun off from gave us in the first place.

TL;DR Ben Kenobi never left Tatooine between Ep3 and 4 and that's what I'm sticking with.

#fixes #anti disney star wars #star wars #obi wan kenobi 2022 #anti obi wan kenobi 2022 #obi wan kenobi #darth vader #anakin skywalker #basically can we stop pretending that ANYTHING in disney SW canon as opposed to making it more complicated/convoluted?#even the use of leia in the show which had its heart in the right place kind of just made anh less emotionally satisfying #they could have actually addressed what the plan was for her #with bail and ben #but they didn't #just tagging this anti to be safe #honestly i actually did enjoy kenobi #but i find the fandom's tendency to bend over backwards to fit new canon into the mythology annoying #am i taking crazy pills here?#some of this shit just really doesn't work #the bb leia and anakin parallels REALLY DON'T WORK Shmi and Obi-Wan are not comparable at ALL and also Leia NEVER DOES SEE HIM AGAIN #BECAUSE IN THE OT SHE HAD NEVER MET HIM #I am the first person who would go back and rewrite aspects of Leia's role in the OT if I could tbh #To make her fit into the family drama more organically #but we can't #okay i'll shut up now

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