#anti destihellers

[thefandomchaos]

I’m so ready for the hellers to go after me for this. But what if the reason Castiel said “Is something I know I can’t have” is because Castiel knows in the end, Dean would choose Sam over him in a heartbeat-

#supernatural #sam winchester #spn #dean winchester #samdean #deansam #wincest #weirdcest #anti destihellers #anti destiel #spn 15x18

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

Anti-destiel Wank (sorry but I have to)

If you hardcore ship Destiel, please just scroll on by. Please.

Ok, I'm gonna get myself in trouble, I'm sure, but I gotta get this off my chest...

Destiel may be a perfectly fine ship,

but,

IT'S JUST A SHIP.

In the actual context of the show there IS NO ROMANTIC OR SEXUAL TENSION/RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DEAN AND CAS.*

Full fucking stop.

Subtext can be interpreted in ANY WAY YOU WANT. It is subjective. You will find whatever you look for in it. Please stop waving subtext interpretations around as if they were objective facts, they aren't. Subtext, by its very definition, relies on implied meaning and understanding, this means it is a subjective interpretation of the media that varies from viewer to viewer. The inherent variations are what make it fanon/headcanon instead of canon.

If you see tension of that sort there and it makes you happy to postulate the what if, then go ahead, that is what fanon and head canon and fan fiction is all about. But if the fact that the tension you think you see isn't being addressed in actual canon makes you grumpy, maybe you need to take some of the fanatic out of your fanning. If you are beginning to think the show creators are actively trying to repress Dean's "true sexuality and feelings" because they are evil, you might need to consider that you've dug in too deep.

Because, like I ship wincest. Yeah, I said it. But I am aware that canon doesn't actually include any level of sexual or romantic (in the modern sense) relationship between Sam and Dean. Wincest is not canon.

Now, are Sam and Dean the real "love" story of the show? Yes, yes they are. That has always been 100% the entire point of Supernatural, the great love story of two brothers struggling to save the world together. It's about family and everything that means, but at its heart, it is about Sam and Dean WInchester. Not all kisses and cuddles and sex kind of love, but love nonetheless. Full stop.

Now, the fact that Destiel is such a popular ship is not surprising to me in the least. Jensen and Misha are two gorgeous guys who share a lot of chemistry on screen and off. And, it is canon that Cas loves Dean. That has been evident since Lazarus Rising (4x01) when Cas was introduced. Castiel's love of Dean Winchester has been his character's main motivation all along and culminated with Cas sacrificing himself to save Dean, after telling him that he loved him in Despair (15x18)

But Dean's main motivation has always been to watch out for his brother. And though Castiel became Dean's best friend, he still comes second to Sam. Nothing against Cas, he just isn't Sam.

So why are so many people so absolutely convinced that Destiel is so real within the context of the story?

Well, I'm pretty sure that it is the same reason that they are so opposed to the idea of wincest.

As we all know, incest is bad, mmmkay? Incest is probably one of the biggest, strongest, cultural taboos we have. So it makes perfect sense that the idea of two blood-related brothers having sexual or romantic feelings for each other is considered icky. It's so off putting that it is a complete no go for even fantasizing about for most people. And that's probably a good thing, tbh, incest should be taboo. But where does that taboo spring from? Why is it so deeply off limits? There are several reasons, but the two main ones are:

That incest can lead to inbreeding.

That incest too often involves molestation or rape of children.

Both of these are seriously bad enough that we all pretty much collectively agree to avoid incestuous relationships. But, do either of these two reasons really apply in the case of Sam and Dean?

The short answer is no. Primarily this is because they are fictional characters that are being played by unrelated actors. But to humor the objectors we'll look at it closer.

We can take the first one right off the table. As two cis men, neither of them is capable of becoming pregnant, so outside of the mpreg (male pregnancy) or gender bending subsets of fanfic tropes, this is not applicable.

The second reason only becomes an issue when talking about the characters earlier in their lives, pre-show or flashbacks. Weecest or teencest, or whatever, are things, but these typically have separate ship names for a reason, because even when dealing with fictional characters this squicks a lot of folks who are otherwise down with the wincest ship. So most content is tagged or labeled as its specific flavor, so anyone can find it or avoid it. But wincest that involves adult Sam and Dean (the specific pairing I'm referring to in this post) doesn't apply to the second reason listed above.

So there really is nothing morally wrong with Sam and Dean having sex with each other. I know that statement is going to bother a whole lot of people, but it is true. Just because something is taboo does not automatically make it morally wrong. Being gay used to be taboo in our culture, and is still taboo for way too many people, even though there is nothing morally wrong with homosexuality.

Now, I wasn't in the fandom back at the beginning of the show, but I've heard tell that the very first Sam/Dean fic was posted just a few hours after the pilot episode aired. A few hours, that's all it took for some highly motivated fan to type out a story where they were more than just brothers. The story is called Reunion. If you watch the pilot, even with your anti-incest goggles on, the chemistry between Jared and Jensen is palpable throughout. There is a reason the show lasted for 15 years, and that reason is that Sam and Dean just work on screen so well together. So if it only took one episode for that ship to be born, what did all the future destiel shippers do? Well I imagine they felt somewhat uncomfortable for the first 60 episodes.

Flash forward to season four and the introduction of Castiel. Finally there was another male character for fans squicked by the notion of sweet, sweet brother loving to focus on! Cas was clearly fixated on Dean more than Sam, which followed the plot since Cas had been instructed to rescue Dean from Hell. As it would turn out, the brothers were destined to be the meatsuits that Michael and Lucifer wore to the big prize fight to determine the fate of the world. Prepping Sam for Lucifer involved him consuming demon blood, which made most of the angelic host view him as an abomination, a factor that Cas had to learn to get past in his relationship with the younger brother. But Dean was ready to go right out of the box, no assembly required for Michael. Castiel, and many of his angelic brethren, as well as a lot of Demons, seem to be drawn to Dean in a way that they just aren't drawn to Sam. Is this fair? Hell no. But I mean, look at him! Jensen has sexual tension with literally everything he comes in contact with, people, food, his car, the man oozes sexual attraction. Don't get me wrong, Jared is a sexy fucking ball of sunshine, and our Sammy is a damned attractive man, but he tends to be more repressed and less openly sexual than his brother, so it is what it is.

Where was I going with this? That's a good question. I got a bit distracted, sorry. Oh right...

At its root, destiel is a reactive projection. There is undeniable tension between characters in the show. Since all of the main cast are male, that tension is highly homoerotic. The two main characters, who are undeniably emotionally enmeshed and co-dependent with each other (a very well established canon fact btw), happen to be blood-related brothers. Oh no! Where is all that tension coming from since we cannot admit or accept that it's coming from them? Ah ha! Here is a new male character that we like, yes, it is obviously coming from his interactions with one of the brothers, even though he wasn't in the first 60 episodes. Yes, it all makes perfect sense now, all that tension was merely foreshadowing.

I've read through all the destiel subtext posts. I've gone back and watched all the scenes they reference multiple times with the express purpose of finding destiel. I'm telling you it is just a fanon ship. Which is 100% fine and good, ship that ship, just stop declaring it more canon than canon, because it's not.

And if you don't like fictional incest, cool, cool, you don't have to. But the underlying sexual tension existed in the first 60 episodes prior to Misha being cast on the show, so it was coming from somewhere. And it'd be cooler if you learned how to scroll past people shipping wincest, like I'm sure you do for all the other weirdass, squicky shit that people post all over the internet. But if it makes your heart beat a little faster to imagine that Dean and Cas have eyesex but that Dean and Sam don't, that's fine. I think it's delusional because neither ship is actually canon and both are 100% A-Ok in fanon, and honestly Jensen doesn't seem to be able to control his eyes, which is not something anyone should feel bad about (it's fucking marvelous) but you do you.

*Castiel does love Dean. He confessed as much, but Dean did not reciprocate. What I am referencing is a mutual romance or attraction, which does not exist.

#anti destiel #anti destihellers #anti hellers #wincest #canon vs fanon #fandom wank #destiel wank #I've been sitting on & adding to/refining this post since Feb 2018 time for it to see the light of day

[cam-ulu29]

I hear one more motherfucker say “hiS sIReN wAs A dUDe he’s so bi” im finna come outta this screen and whop you in the head so hard you fly into an alternate dimension where nobody has to hear your stupid ass opinions listen it was either a dude because he wanted a brother more than a lover or because he wanted a brother for a lover. If it’s romantic, it’s Sam, if it’s platonic, it’s Sam, lemme it say it one more time for you fools the siren tempted him with a ‘better version of his brother’ so if you say that means he’s Bi he’s a brotherfucker siren=Destiel? man I’d hate to see your math homework so let me give you multiple choice instead GENcest or WINcest?

#sex and violence #sam winchester #dean winchester #wincest #anti destiel #anti destihellers #anti cockles #j2 #supernatural #spn 4x14 #anti bi Dean #gencest #cmon I swear y’all ain’t watched the show the way y’all be claiming subtext #if subtext meant anything boy oh boy the kinky shit sam and dean get up to #anti hellers

[skyefullofdaisies]

A Destiel shipper asked me on Twitter today “why Destiel shippers are so disliked in the fandom but Wincest shippers are not given incest is morally wrong.”

She then blocked me before I could respond to her properly. In my opinion, Destiel shippers are so highly disliked because of how some of them act. Unfortunately that spills over to the ones who don’t bully, harass and scream at people who don’t ship it. The ones who just want to enjoy their ship and be left alone. It’s frustrating to talk to other people on various social media platforms about how Destiel is not canon and here comes a destiheller summoned from hell itself (I assume) to screech at you. No matter how many slowed down gif sets, supposed “parallels”, supposed bi-lighting & screen shots (etc) are put out there to make it seem like they are. To have a destiheller come from the void to bully/harass and scream at you that you’re a shitty homophobic person because you won’t validate their head canon fantasy is tiring. Hell, Jensen himself has said Destiel isn’t real.

That’s not to say that Destiel shippers don’t get harassed themselves. They absolutely do. It’s on all sides. I’m a Dean/Jo shipper and let me tell you, lol, that pisses off the Destihellers damn near instantly. I posted these screen grabs on Twitter:

Apparently, these don’t count. You know why? Because Dean never outright says “I’m not gay or bi-sexual” to Castiel’s face. So, the very actor of Dean Winchester himself as well as the in canon on screen character himself stating he “doesn’t play on that team” mean nothing because it wasn’t said in a certain set of specific circumstances. What kind of logic is that? 🤣💀 I could go on like Destihellers accusing Jensen of having internalized homophobia lmao.

Anyway, back to the main point. Love or hate Wincest shippers they don’t insist it’s in the show when it isn’t it. They don’t harass people for not shipping what they do. They haven’t told me that they’re glad my Mom is dead over a fictional non-canon ship. They don’t do everything in their power to cut Sam out of everything to make it the Castiel and Dean show. Don’t shit all over Jared on Twitter. Don’t have a melt down when you acknowledge that Sam is the most important person to Dean. That Dean would choose Sam above anything and anyone else. That’s why they’re better liked, imo, across the board than the hellers.

#anti destiel #anti destihellers #wincest

[musclesandhammering]

Hard pills to swallow: Cas isn’t gay & Misha Collins is annoying

#spn #to clarify: castiel is 100% absolutely not straight #he’s most likely panromantic and somewhere on the ace spectrum #he’s not a male homosexual factually speaking #he’s been attracted to women in canon #and he’s not even a man he’s nonbinary and angels don’t even seem to gaf about the gender of anyone #he’s a multidimensional wavelength of cosmic energy and consciousness like…. #why would you want to reduce him down to ‘He’s a male who only likes other males uwu’ #and Misha continuously pushing the ‘cas gay haha’ narrative just to pander to the d*stiel dumbasses is just- ugh #and I haven’t forgotten about him claiming to be bi for shits and giggles and then going ‘SIKE I’m actually hetero’ #and then not rly understanding why folks got so upset #anti supernatural #anti spn #spn critical #castiel #anti destiel #anti destihellers #dean critical #anti misha collins

[kvitka97]

JIB #11 - Creating an individual post for this; is it pretty exceptional that someone representing the con is posting this? I think it’s great that they’re addressing it publicly.

#jib11 #anti hellers #anti destihellers #anti destiel #destiew

[thekarleffect]

Yall ever argued with a heller about dean being canonically straight, and they Say some shit like

"Cas confessed he was in iove with dean"

It's like, Okay?? And?? That proves nothing about dean

#mine #spn #suoernatural #dean winchester #anti heller #anti destihellers

[novakspector]

Cults ask you to pay money to join or buy expensive books and seminars, not just to make money but because they know how susceptible to sunk cost fallacy most people are. Goob and Jaistiel ask them for money so they’re less likely to leave their little groups. It’s too hard for the members of these cults to admit to themselves they were duped by a loser asshole narcissist in the most embarrassing way (a Destiel internet cult?!) so they stick with them and keep paying them.

Looking at it from outside, it’s just insane. What do these people think they are going to get out of this? Goob and Jaistiel are nobodies, they are just fangirls. They cannot make Destiel happen. What these people are paying for is the privilege of belonging to an exclusive group of “friends.” It’s only exclusive because there’s an entry fee. Of course, if you have to pay for friends, those people aren’t your friends. 

Why do these people have to pay to belong to a group of “friends?” The likely reason is they’re just as “toxic” as the “abusers” they’re paying to be “friends” with. A non-toxic person doesn’t gravitate toward someone who behaves the way Jaistiel and Goob do. All these women are stuck emotionally in a junior high school level of development, they want to be bullies and Jaistiel and Goob are offering them the opportunity to do that.

#anti destihellers #destiew

[deansimpalababy]

DISCLAIMER:

This is a blog dedicated to what the show Supernatural is truly about, the platonic love between the brothers Sam and Dean Winchester. I will be mostly posting about them and the truth. This blog is anti castiel, anti destiel, anti hellers, and anti misha. At any time, I might post about those topics as well. If you don't like what I post, then move along. Any hate commented towards me through comments on or reblogs of any of my posts will earn you an automatic block. I tag all my posts accordingly. Stay in your lane.

#jackles #jensen ackles #jared padalecki #dean winchester #sam winchester #supernatural #spn #destiel #destiehellers #anti castiel #antidestiel #anti destiel #anti misha #antihellers #hellers #anti destihellers #anti misha collins

[winchesteranatomy]

Even after all this time, you still can’t go onto the spn tag without being bombarded with D*stiel crap

#anti destiel #anti destihellers

[thefandomchaos]

Look I don’t hate Destiel, I’ve written a fanfic for it, but I don’t like it either (same with Sambriel). But I don’t believe Dean was exactly in love with Cas, or at least shouldn’t have been with everything that has happened, and I feel like the ending was forced to please the Destiel stans. And no I’m not doing this to prove that “Wincest is real” or anything, you can ship whatever you want, but hear me out.

The one thing that would never work for me is how would Dean love Castiel with everything Castiel had done to Sam specifically. (HEAR ME OUT- i’m fully talking here in whatever way you want to understand it, platonic or romantic)

•Castiel was the reason that Sam got out of the panic room and released Lucifer, which lead to the many problems in season five and the strain between Sam and Dean’s relationships furthering

•Chance is that Castiel most likely knew about the voicemail

•Castiel took Sam out of the cage without a soul, and while he denies this being a purpose and claims he had no choice, this was deliberately when he was working with Crowley behind and against the Winchesters

•Castiel broke Sam’s wall which led to Sam hallucinations that almost got him killed, and even if he took them away later, he still did this on purpose

Why this bother me so much is because Dean’s world revolves around Sam, and I’m just saying this because it what the series shows us, Dean does everything for Sam, even if it means his own happiness (or sanity, or life) is at stake because his whole life has been revolved around “protecting sammy” since he was a little kid. For Dean, Sam is his brother, son, best friend and soulmate (don’t @ me because this is fucking canon to the show) So why would Dean love Castiel the same way when his done that to Sam?

And this is not even mentioning what Castiel himself has done to Dean, and vice-versa because Dean has said and done things to Castiel as well (“Baby in a trench coat” “Castiel is like a Dog”) which may I ask how is that in any way how you tell someone or express that you love them?

What Destiel Stans don’t sometime seem to understand is that this show isn’t about Dean and Castiel, is about Sam and Dean. The show has always been about the two brothers (Castiel wasn’t even supposed to be a main character in the first place) thats why I’m honestly glad that finale ended like it did. The show ended how it started, just two brothers on a hunt. There was no Castiel, there was no Jack, it was just Sam and Dean, because its their story being told.

Again, I don’t hate Destiel, ship whatever you want (don’t spread hate though, because then who’s the villain here?) but I just don’t understand how Destiel (or Sambriel which is another can of worms, especially with what happened in mystery spot) could work

#supernatural #spn #sam winchester #dean winchester #castiel #destiel #anti destiel #anti destihellers #weirdcest #wincest #samdean #deansam

[the-gray-ghosty]

Dean would actually be so offended if he found out how much of the supernatural fandom hates Sam (typically because they ship dest*el). He would be so flabbergasted, like how could so many people hate Sammy? Sammy's perfect

#dean would hate destih*llers so much bahahahahha #anti destihellers #dean winchester #dean is protective of sammy

[cam-ulu29]

i couldn’t resist

#ao3 ship bracket #ao3 ship poll #wincest #wincest for the win #anti destiel #anti destihellers

[sodapopr]

#spn #spn fandom #supernatural #supernatural fandom #dean winchester #castiel #frienship #brotherhood #friends #brothers #love #destiel #destiew #anti destiel #anti hellers #anti destihellers

[skyefullofdaisies]

I read a tweet today of a Destiel shipper saying what a tragedy it is that a “beautiful queer love story like Dean and Castiel wasn’t allowed to be talked about or acknowledged.”

Do those type of shippers, I wouldn’t call this specific person a heller though, really not understand why?

Destiel is, at the very best of times, a one sided love story IF you choose to interpret Castiel telling Dean he loved him as romantic. I do not, personally. Otherwise he would have said I’m *in* love with you. To me there’s a big difference. Especially with wording when it’s supposed to be the Big Confession™️. Plus I’m real tired of these Hellers telling me I’m homophobic with 0 evidence to back that claim up other than I pissed them off because I won’t back their version of Supernatural rather than actual canon.

Anyway, back to the original point. Destiel wasn’t a “banned topic” at first. It wasn’t until a couple years into its popularity that people (fans, cast, writers) started to stop talking about the ship at large. When the Destiel shippers really started to get that it was never going to happen. Why? Because they started harassing, bullying and telling people who didn’t ship it to go off themselves. Thus the term “desti-heller” showed up. There is a difference between a heller and your normal Destiel shipper. That harassment by the hellers got INTENSE. I remember when they went after Samantha Smith on Twitter.

Why would anyone want to talk about the ship when it’s shippers would malignly attack you when you wouldn’t support their narrative? To act like it’s just homophobia that prevented Destiel from being canon is hysterical to me. Dean was not/is not gay or bi-sexual. Castiel really can’t be defined by terms such as gay, straight, bi-sexual etc because he’s not human. He operates outside the boxes of human sexuality. Hell, the only reason we call him “him” is because Jimmy Novak is a man.

Personally I think Castiel’s story is beautiful as it comes full circle. When we first meet him he doesn’t care about The Winchesters or humanity. It ends with him telling a human he loves him. With him viewing The Winchesters as his family. More so than his angel siblings ever were to him. More so than God ever was to him. It ends with him being together with his “son” that he shares with Sam and Dean. Yes, Dean AND Sam. I know the hellers love to cut Sam out of everything to make it the Dean and Cas show. Don’t get me started on the latest discourse about who knows Dean better: Sam or Castiel. If you’re saying Castiel for that one then I really don’t know what show you’re watching.

#anti destiel #anti destihellers #destiehellers

[musclesandhammering]

Spn Opinions That’ll Have Me Burned at the Stake Pt. 2: Electric Boogaloo

I’m back and bitchier than ever. For reference, here’s part 1.

• Season 5 wasn’t that great.

• D*stiel isn’t real, it’s a sucky ship, and that confession scene was just the writers pandering to the rabid deancas fans cause they knew they were the only ones still watching the show lol. And they left it ambiguous enough that they could still say it was meant platonically if they needed to.

• I hate how they watered down both angels and demons post-season 5ish.

• I liked Ruby 1.0 better than Ruby 2.0.

• I hate Honey!Cas. They just did that cause they didn’t know where to take his story from there, needed him out of the way, and thought it would be funny. It was insulting.

• Jack should’ve been played by an actual child so everyone’s abuse of him would resonate with the audience for what it was (casual fans are brain dead and need to be spoon fed).

• Victor Henrikson deserved more time on the show.

• I said it in the last post, but Alex is way more interesting than Claire and should’ve been given the lead role in the wayward sisters storyline instead.

• Dean is canonically straight and for Christ sake if you guys wanted bi rep, there’s about a thousand other characters that are strongly coded or implied to be bisexual (including Sam!) but y’all didn’t focus on them because it wasn’t actually about representation, it was about making it more plausible for your dumb fetishised gay ship to actually happen (spoiler: it didn’t).

• Season 3 and Season 6 were some of the best ones, you guys just don’t have any taste.

• Claire is not Castiel’s daughter and saying she is erases Jimmy and insults her, and even Cas himself acknowledged that on the show.

• Castiel is canonically NOT gay and Misha constantly saying he is is annoying and airheaded. He’s been attracted to women IN THE SHOW and he’s not even really male, so calling him a Gay Man is reductive and just plain wrong. Also, it’s veeery sus that- given how bi/pan folks are even more underrepresented than gay people- that one of the rare times where the bi/pan label actually fits a character BETTER in CANON……. the allies and monosexuals adamantly reject it. Hm.

• “Curing” vampires or werewolves or demons shouldn’t have been a thing.

• The Winchesters cause most of the bad shit that happens and then they just force supernatural beings to fix it for them- tell me again how they’re Super Special Heroes.

• It shouldn’t be possible to make angels human by removing their grace, because (unlike demons, werewolves, etc) they were never human to start with. If you drained me of all my blood, I wouldn’t magically transform into another species, I’d fucking die.

• Making Billie go crazy was dumb.

• Rowena was one of the most interesting and charismatic characters on the whole show- they just didn’t know what to do with her character.

• The archangels, Lilith, and Azazel should’ve been the biggest threats on the show. No other knights of hell, no god and his sister, no Cain, nothing like that. Having every villain just get progressively more overpowered made the show unbelievable and repetitive and annoying.

• The kernel sanders king of hell guy was hot.

• Dean is misogynistic as HELL, homophobic, likes racist porn, is a narcissist, pervs on teen girls, & thinks all non-human people should be exterminated… and that is all CANON.

• Most of John Winchester’s abuse is fanon.

• Fans portraying Cas as a smol bby who colours in colouring books and has a bee plushie is so fucking annoying.

• Instead of having so many gigantic cosmic storylines with god and his sister and alternate dimensions and even the angel and demon tablets, they should’ve just scrapped those and made the stein family and the bmol and the alpha vampire storylines way bigger than they were. Less cosmic stuff, more earth-based stuff.

• They ruined Lucifer’s character post-season 5. Before that, he was more sympathetic and reasonable than Michael. After, he was a spoiled child hurting people for fun.

• Everything from season 7 on is garbage. All of it. There’s bits of goodness here and there but overall seasons 7-15 are trash.

• How the fuck are there actual people who are deangirls and hate Sam?? The space where your brain should be is empty, I swear to god.

• If there was gonna be any lgbt rep in the Wayward Sisters group, it should’ve been Jody and Donna instead of Claire and Kaia. Those two were boring as hell and had zero chemistry or build-up, but Jody/Donna had plenty of chemistry and was very believable.

• Meg has the best and most realistic redemption arc of anyone on the show.

• Chuck was not likeable or charismatic enough to carry off as big of a villain arc as they gave him. Also that whole thing was stupid and WAY too Out There.

• All the angels should’ve been aroace. All the demons should’ve been pan.

• I stanned Cole so hard up until he changed his mind about hating Dean. That was disappointing.

• Sam went through the same shitty childhood Dean did (plus Bonus Abuse on top of it) and he didn’t turn out Like That.

• I cannot think of a single person that was asking for a spin-off about the Winchester family, like that has to be the most boring thing.

#unpopular opinion #unpopular supernatural opinions #spn unpopular opinions #spn #supernatural #anti dean winchester #Dean winchester critical #dean critical #supernatural wank #fandom wank #castiel #sam winchester #anti destiel #anti destihellers #Misha Collins criticism