#and who may or may not consider or use microlabels

[aromanticmina]

master-list of arospec labels and microlabels

I like collecting knowledge of a lot of queer labels,arospec ones being no exception,so I'm doing a big post with all the ones I know, for fun and because it could be helpful for questioning folks out there!

all under the cut!

Aromantic: someone who experiences little to no romantic attraction, experiences it very rarely/vaguely, or otherwise has a significantly different/complicated experience with romantic attraction than most (alloromantic) people. It is a spectrum and anyone on it can simply call themselves aro if they want.

Greyromantic: someone who experiences (or has experienced) romantic attraction, but vaguely and/or rarely.

Demiromantic: someone who experiences romantic attraction only in the specific circumstance that they're really close with that person (or people), they do not experience "love at first sight."

Frayromantic: the opposite of demiromantic, someone who only experiences romantic attraction towards someone they're not close with, and if they ever get to know that person (or people) better,the attraction eventually fades.

Lithromantic: someone who can experience romantic attraction,but if that attraction is ever reciprocated, then the feeling abruptly (or slowly) stops.

Aroflux: someone whose romantic attraction can fluctuate, and is never really static, meaning their (romantic) feelings for someone may change every now and then, fading and intensifying over time.

Cupioromantic: someone who doesn't experience romantic relationship, but wants or has a romantic relationship.

Aegoromantic: someone who doesn't experience romantic attraction,but likes things that are "romantic" (movies,books,aesthetics,etc)

Non-sam aro: An aromantic person who doesn't use the split attraction model, they are "just aro"

AlloAro: an aromantic person who experiences sexual attraction.

Aroace/Arose: an aromantic person who is also asexual/in the ace spectrum.

Apothiromantic: someone who doesn't experience romantic attraction and is repulsed by romantic things and/or acts.

Quoiromantic: someone who doesn't understand what romantic attraction is,doesn't think the term "romantic attraction" is applicable to their experiences at all,or someone who doesn't think defining whether or not they experience romantic attraction is useful or important for them.

Bellusromantic: someone who doesn't experience romantic attraction but enjoys things that are typically seen as romantic acts (kissing,cuddling,etc)

Arospike: someone who usually doesn't experience romantic attraction, but occasionally experiences a sudden rise of attraction, before it eventually fades again.

Nebularomantic: someone who is aromantic because of their neurodivergency or their neurodivergency plays a big role in how they experience their aromanticism.

Reciproromantic: someone who doesn't experience romantic attraction unless the person falls in love with them first.

Alicoromantic: someone who knows they're on the aromantic spectrum but doesn't think any other label fits their experience.

Orchidromantic: the opposite of cupioromantic, someone who experiences romantic attraction but doesn't want a romantic relationship.

Myrromantic: someone who identifies with multiple aromantic spectrum labels at the same time.

Uniromantic: someone who only experiences romantic attraction to one (1) person for a long period of time, and this attraction is never felt for anyone else.

Platoniromantic: someone who can't distinguish between romantic and platonic attraction, therefore can't really say if what they're feeling for someone is romantic or platonic.

Caedromantic: someone who is aromantic because of their trauma.

Idemromantic: someone who doesn't experience romantic and platonic attraction differently, but can distinguish between their "platonic" and "romantic" relationships based on external factors.

Romo aro: an aromantic person whose attraction,experiences,or feeling may be considered romantic in some sort of way.

Loveless aro: an aromantic person who doesn't label any of their feelings as "love", sometimes because the word "love" is usually used to indicate romance and they want to avoid that, because the word doesn't have any meaning to them,as an act of rebellion against amatonormativity,etc.

Lovequeer aro: an aromantic person who chooses to center other types of love who are often seen as "less" than romantic love and/or their unique personal experience with these other types of love.

#aromantic #arospec #aspec #queer #aro #greyromantic #demiromantic #cupioromantic #loveless aro #lovequeer aro #+ a loooot more #raysaystuff

[hidden-among-stars]

An Identity Without Name

A little while ago, I helped some other folks to coin a new term: Anymic (pronounced ay-nim-ick). The purpose of this term is somewhat paradoxical - it gives a name to identities that have no name (etymologically, anymic translates to "being without a name"). Those of us who coined it, though our experiences differ greatly and our species identities are practically nothing alike, had a few very key things in common:

We know our experiences very well. We have a very good idea of what our species identity is

That species identity does not correlate completely with any species that is known to exist anywhere in the history of this universe or in the known mythology/imaginations of humans

This identity is not a character or species we created in our imaginations, but rather feels like something that did, does, will, can, or should exist either in this world or another - therefore, OCkin doesn't fit

We also expressed frustration with how we are able to introduce ourselves when coming into new alterhuman spaces*. While others are able to be more succinct about their identities - for example, saying "I'm dragonkin" or "I'm a fox therian" - we would have to say something to the effect of "I'm a therian of an unknown species," which gives the wrong idea. It implies that we don't know what species we are, that we don't know what our experiences amount to, that we don't have any sort of image of who we are or what we should be.

The definition we settled on is "An identity that does not possess a formal name (and may be the only one of its kind/type)." As a note, the part about being the only one of its kind/type was added mostly by request of the others who were working on coining this term, but does seem to be an integral part of this type of identity. It was a commonality among all of us who worked on coining the term and the definition. Regardless, one of the most important things about this term is that it insinuates that yes, I do have an idea of what species I am, I do know what my experiences amount to, I have at least some image of who I am or what I should be, there just is no name for what I am.

Of course, this term doesn't negate our potential need to explain our identities further if someone should ask, but it is far easier to say that I am an anymic contherian than to say "I'm a contherian with a theriotype that has no known species name and is not something that is currently known to have existed/currently exist/someday exist, nor is it anything that has appeared in known human mythology/folklore/fiction." Yeesh. What a mouthful.

This is not a term I would necessarily recommend to the newly awakened alterhuman, but rather what I might call a "last resort" term. When you've exhausted all of the options that seem like they might fit, when you've done all the research that you could possibly do, when it just seems like you constantly try and fail to find that one identity that fits - that's when you take on the term anymic. Even more important to recognize, though, is that it's very possible that someday as you continue to search for potential fits, you might finally stumble across something that makes you say "that's it! That's me!" And that's just fine! Anymic isn't a static term that you're stuck with forever, but it's a term that will be there for you when you need it. After all, it's entirely possible that you could find something that makes you say "that's it! That's me!" only to later discover that maybe that doesn't fit either, and you go back to being anymic. The point is, while this is a term that should be considered a last resort, it's also a term that should not under any circumstances be gatekept by age or experience or by whatever one individual considers "enough" research or self reflection.

As for how to use it, it should be considered an extremely versatile term. It can be used on its own - one could simply be "anymic." It can also be used as a microlabel, such as the examples I've already given ("anymic therian"). It could even be used as a secondary identifier - for example, if someone has an identity that seems to be a un-named subspecies of a known species, or is part of a larger category (of whatever kind) but doesn't fit any known identities within that category, they could say they are an "anymic fox therian" or "anymic draconic otherkin." How it is utilized in a line-up of labels is entirely dependent on the individual who uses it, so long as it maintains the definition of being a known, understood identity that simply has no formal name.

I might be biased, but I think this is an important term to add to our general alterhuman vocabulary. Personally, one of the things that made me feel somewhat alienated from the rest of the community is that when introducing myself I have to either give less than the full story by saying that my theriotype is "unknown," or practically write an entire book about my identity. Coining this term with others who have been experiencing the same sort of feeling helped me immensely to see that I'm not the only one with an identity that doesn't have a proper name. To be able to just say "I know what I am, but I just don't have a name to give you to describe what I am" in just one word is honestly game-changing, and it would be incredible to see this term catch on so those of us who have this experience could even more easily connect.

Obviously use of this term by those who have this experience isn't a necessity, but it's an option that so far seems to be appreciated.

*When I say alterhuman spaces, I mean alterhuman spaces in general, not just therian/otherkin spaces. I am well aware that alterhuman =/= nonhuman identity, I promise! This post may be more focused on the nonhuman-type identities, but an anymic identity can apply to just about any identity that otherwise has no formal name.

#therian #otherkin #alterhuman #identity #nonhuman

[tertiary-attraction-archive]

Orchidfamilial

[PT: Orchidfamilial]

Orchidfamilial, is a microlabel on the afamilial spectrum in which an individual experiences Familial attraction, but does not desire a Familial relationship or encounter. It can be used on its own or as an umbrella term. Someone who identifies as Orchidfamilial may consider others to be Familialily attractive, but they would lack the desire to have or dislike having Familial experiences.

Familial Attacrion Definition(link)

[ID: none yet]

[Tag] @radiomogai & @liom-archive

DNI in pinned post please read before interacting!

#🧪 mod post #💊 emotion based #Orchidfamilial #Familial Attacrion #afamilial #Afamspec #aspec #aroace #Tertiary Attraction #mogai #mogai term #mogai coining #liom #liom term #Liom coining #liomogai

[sobeksewerrat]

TMF SEXUALITY/GENDER IDENTITY HEAD CANNONS CUZ WHY THE FREAK NOT

(most of them are like bi or pan soooo-)

(this might change later btw)

Jake: bisexual mess, cuz, c'mon

Hailey: lesbian disaster. no, you can't convince me otherwise. jailey? what's that? I only know HAISY

Milly: Straight ally, was tempted to make her orchidsexual for the sake of the puns but decided not to

Luke: probably pan, but doesn't care too much about labels

Zander: Gay; I literally have nothing to say, it's just canon

Sean: bi, also non-binary (he/they pronouns). I've hc them as enby ever since I read a timeskip fic where Luke referred to him as 'they'.

Henry: eh, probably bi, just for the sake of Henriam

Liam: omnisexual, has a thing for MILFs.

Drew: contrary to popular belief, I hc him as bi. (for the sake of healthy Droey AUs, and because it makes his relationship with Zoey worse since he would've actually love her instead of being a repressed gay)

Zoey: homophobic bi with a Lia preference.

Lia: honestly I just see her as straight lol

Elliot: has barely any personality, screen time, nor voice lines, but he's definitely orchidsexual. because puns.

(orchidsexual: is a microlabel on the asexual spectrum in which an individual experiences sexual attraction, but does not desire a sexual relationship or encounter. It can be used on its own or as an umbrella term. Someone who identifies as orchidsexual may consider others to be sexually attractive, but they would lack the desire to have or dislike having sexual experiences. Orchidsexual can be described as “the opposite of cupiosexual .” It is under the greysexual umbrella.)

Daisy: pan, demi-girl

Sadie: oriented aro/ace

Max: he's gay and he's jake's ex or sth idgaf abt ur opinion-

Billy bob Jones: the goth guy. he's probably gay too

#the music freaks #tmf #i am very sorry to everyone

[the-owl-house-takes]

okay. Putting my two cents in here as a bisexual sapphic who sometimes calls myself a lesbian (usually when I'm talking about my attraction to women in the older sense, since lesbianism excluding men is actually a fairly recent thing. Queer history is important kids!)

So is headcanoning Amity as m-spec is lesbiphobic/queerphobic in [__] way?

It really isn't. I'm not going to get into why lesbianism has recently grown to exclude bisexual and other multi spec individuals from the term and how radical feminism particularly plays a part, anything to do with political feminism, etc. I know people have.. very not takes about lesbians possibly liking men or being bisexual, so lets just leave that whole can of worms alone. I'm going to be excluding amity liking men from this because?

M-spec, aka multi spectrum attraction, doesn't necessarily include men. It means just that - attraction that isn't simply to one gender. That can be bisexual (and microlabels under its umbrella like pansexual) or it can be, like a popular definition of lesbian, non men loving non men.

Non all lesbians like "non men" sure. Non men includes, of course, women particularly, but considering non binary people's existence, can include them to. And something about non binary people? Not all of us are women or want to be included in women centric attractions! Hence why a lesbian may choose to identify as mspec even if they don't like men. And why anon might choose to headcanon Amity as mspec, especially since they specialified that her mspec lesbianism doesn't include men.

I would also just like to add - lesbian being "non man loving non men" is a very recent definition. Many lesbians only see their attraction as women oriented and saying that, of course, amity mustn't be considered mspec because of her lesbianism is.. pretty invalidating to many lesbians! This isnt to say that anyone attracted to not-just-women-but-some-ebies-as-well HAS to call themselves mspec, its just a more specific term that should be accepted in queer communities, and since TOH has a lot of overlap? I though we would've been less exclusionary by now.

-

#queer discourse #long post

[redtail-lol]

Jupiteric Microlabels yay

Mspec lesbians are lunians, mspec veldians are solians, and mspec gays of any kind are stellians. What about mspec straights? They're called Jupiterics! I made some labels based off the Galilean Moons (Io, Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto) + the famous Great Red Spot. I'm gonna nickname them zeus's microlabels for the tag because Jupiter is the roman equivalent of the greek god Zeus.

#1: Ioan Jupiteric (may be shortened to Ioan)

Meaning: A jupiteric who considers themselves jupiteric because they are attracted to multiple opposingly, neutrally, xenically, and/or unaligned genders

#2: Europan Jupiteric (may be shortened to Europan, but be prepared for confusion on being a europan vs european)

Meaning: A jupiteric who considers themselves jupiteric because they are mspec, however their attraction towards opposingly, neutrally, xenically, and/or unaligned genders is significantly stronger, and the feel somewhere in between mspec and straight; using Jupiteric as an alternative to heteroflexible

#3: Ganymedean Jupiteric (may be shortened to Ganymedean)

Meaning: A jupiteric who considers themselves jupiteric because they use the split attraction model and are straight in one form of attraction and mspec in another

#4: Callistoan Jupiteric (may be shortened to Callistoan)

Meaning: A jupiteric who considers themselves jupiteric because they are mspec, but they call themselves straight. They may choose to identify this way because of being in an m/f or other different-gender relationship, and/or reclaiming "straight" being used to erase their mspec identity (being called straight passing, basically straight, excluded from queer spaces for being in an m/f or m/f appearing relationship). Reason for use is up to the user!

#5: Galilean Jupiteric (may be shortened to Galilean)

Meaning: A jupiteric who's jupiteric experience is fluid and ever changing. They may be a Ganymedean jupiteric one day, then in a week find themselves to be an Ioan.

#6: Great Red Spot Jupiteric

Meaning: A jupiteric who's jupiteric experience is either in somewhere in between these microlabels or completely outside of it. A non-moon was chosen to represent the latter. Like I've always said, people I missed are valid, I'm just not all-knowing. You can coin your own jupiteric microlabels for your experiences!

#jupiteric #mspec straight #zeus's microlabels #bi straight #pan straight #poly straight #ply straight #omni straight #orientation #orientation coining #mogai orientation #mogai coining #mogai #mspec straight safe #mogai identity #mogai community #flag coining #orientation label

[inevitably-johnlocked]

Hi. So I am not sure it is right that I am writing here but I honestly don't have anyone else to ask about this. I am following your blog for a long time and I have had many asks before from you so I feel like weirdly you are someone I can trust and ask things from. You were talking about being ace before and I am just started to question myself in my late twenties. Just to sum it up, I have never been in a relationship and I started to question myself whether it can be because I am under the ace umbrella or I just simply haven't found anyone I could click with. When I was reading about all the different asexuality types I felt like some of them are like really close but I am still not sure. What if I only feel like this because I haven't had anyone? Maybe I was just unlucky so far and once I will have someone it will be different....but what if it is connected? These are the things are in my head and I am honestly just wondering maybe coming from personal experience or your opinion as someone who I presume is longer in the ace community that what do you think? Or what can you recommend for me to have a look at or someone who is in a similar shoe? I couldn't find anyone or anything about never being a relationship is connected to being ace or it's just not that..? Hope it's okay I have asked this here. Thank you <3

Hey Nonny *HUGS*

OOOF I can relate to finding out you're ace a bit later – mine was when I was 32/33 – and let me tell ya, I initially also thought it was because I wasn't in a serious relationship ever.

Now this is just me speaking from personal experience, but I hope it will help you too.

My journey of questioning lasted four years, and it was a LONG four years of reading, testing labels, seeing what fit, etc. And it could be you're also going through the same thing I did, and THAT'S OKAY. And my journey ALSO looked into my romantic attractions as well. You might be confused and unsure because you may be aromantic; it's TOUGH to figure that kind of thing out, especially if you've never had sex, never WANTED to have sex, and never had any sort of serious relationship. And because I don't want to rule it out, it could also be a chemical imbalance within you, or your medications, if you have any, could be affecting your biology as well. Just something to consider, but PLEASE think of it as a last resort, because a lot of doctors don't think asexuality is "a thing" (a doctor I saw recently had no idea what it was, and thought my lack of interest in sex is because of my OCPD... while it could be a contributing FACTOR, it's not the reason, because I KNOW I've been this way all my life). So it's worth exploring as a secondary issue, BUT you seem certain you're ace, so I will continue this reply on that assumption.

Early in my journey, it's SO confusing and overwhelming. For me it was "I WANT to be with someone, but... I don't want to really fuck them?? Like, that person is aesthetically pleasing to me, but I don't think anything beyond that? It's tough being ace and trying to navigate a hypersexualized world.

I'm gonna cut to the chase and give you this term to look into: "split attraction model". This changed EVERYTHING for me, and what started to help me understand myself better. Essentially, it is the principle that mainly-aspec people use to help define their sexual vs romantic attraction. It opened a lot of avenues of discovery for me, and I think it will help you too, especially as a fellow "never been in a relationship" ace.

THAT SAID, you are not any less ace BECAUSE you haven't had a relationship. It took me a long time to come to terms with that concept, since the fact that I was never in a relationship was used against me (and many aces), that I just hadn't met the right person yet.

FUCK THAT. No one knows YOU better than YOU. And if you currently are trying on the ace label and it feels right at the moment, then you are asexual, no microlabels needed. And it's no one else's business other than yours and a potential partner's. That's it.

So yes, it MIGHT be connected, and you might find out, when you're with someone, that HEY you might actually be gray asexual, or demi sexual, and THAT'S OKAY. Your labels can change over time as you figure yourself out.

And if you never settle? That's okay too. Don't beat yourself up, Lovely. You're YOU, not the label society wants you to have.

Some websites you can check out for more starting point research:

Understanding Asexuality (Trevor Project)

The Asexual Visibility and Education Network (AVEN)

The A-Spec Category (LGBTQIA+ Wiki)

I hope you find a bit of comfort in my words, and never hesitate to ask me anything. I enjoy helping other aces figure themselves out <3

#steph replies #i am not a professional #my advice #asexuality

[moonys-chaos]

Just remembered it's ace week so i'd like to talk about my ace identity and its came to be

When I was exploring my identity, I noticed a lack of sexual attraction, so I began looking into it and found asexual, which I identified with for a long while before I soon found that asexuality is an entire spectrum! I just kept looking into it and I found yet another identity that fit me; demisexual! I don't quite remember the rest of my journey I remember a few of them, but I don't remember the names, its 9 PM and I'm just rambling :3

but a few weeks ago I found orchidsexual, which I felt connected to the most, for those who don't know what orchidsexual is, I snatched a explanation off the internet

Orchidsexual is a microlabel on the Asexual Spectrum in which an individual experiences sexual attraction, but does not desire a sexual relationship or encounter. It can be used on its own or as an umbrella term. Someone who identifies as orchidsexual may consider others to be sexually attractive, but they would lack the desire to have or dislike having sexual experience

#asexual #ace #acespec #ace week #asexual week #orchidsexual #orchidsexuality #identity exploring #identity discovery #self discovery #moonys-chaos #lgbtq #lgbtqia #forgot that tag oopsies

[no-fear-queers]

Here's Something About Me

(Idk I'm bored and thought y'all might wanna learn a little more about me.)

Okay, so hi(?)

I'm no_fear_queers (it's the same on Instagram), but you can call me Ellis. Nicknames I accept are Eli, Reg, Reggie, Frank and Frankie. (These are coming from the middle names I gave myself. Which are: Reginald and Francis. And no, I will not be telling you what my last name is.) Now, Shrimpy -which is the nickname I'm using on Instagram- is a nickname given to me by a friend when we were freshmen in high school. And I'm only comfortable with my friends calling me Shrimpy. I was given this nickname due to the fact that I'm shorter than all my friends. (Well, shorter AND scrawnier.)

As of September 23rd 2023 (the day I'm writing this), I am 21 years old. I am an introvert with social anxiety, depression and multiple sensory issues I will not be elaborating on.

I'm transmasculine and agender. My pronouns are they/he/it. Although, I've been having a slight pronoun crisis for the past few months. But at the moment, I'm pretty content with they/he/it with more of a preference for He/Him.

I'm unlabeled, queer, angled aroace, and ambiamorous. My unlabeled and queer labels are referring to my aesthetic and sensual orientation. (Seeing how I experience aesthetic and sensual attraction.) The ace and aro identities I identify with are grey-aegosexual and proxyromantic. I'll get into what those two terms mean in a second.

I won't give too long of a list of things I don't like. Mostly because my dislike list is pretty long. The things I dislike the most -besides conservatives and queerphobia of any kind- are bright colours, bright lights (especially when they're flashing lights--mostly due to a sensory issue), sweet potatoes, rom-coms and weddings. (Mind you, I don't outright HATE weddings. I just don't like them. Especially since I'm not much of a people person.)

My favourite shows are NCIS, Bones, Criminal Minds, Bob's Burgers, Futurama, Supernatural, Creeped Out, A Series of Unfortunate Events, Kitchen Nightmares, Hell's Kitchen, and Hotel Hell.

My favourite movies are The Bob's Burgers Movie, Renfield, Demonic, Smile, and The Rocky Horror Picture Show. (Mind you, I like watching horror movies in general but there's only ever been like the two I've actually enjoyed watching and liked more than others.)

My favourite colours are black, red, grey, blue and green.

My favourite video games are Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, Skyrim, Cooking Champions, Terraria, Minecraft, Animal Crossing New Horizons, The Sims 3 and The Sims 4.

My two favourite things to do are write and play video games. And my favourite holiday is Halloween.

Anyway, on to the definitions I promised:

Grey-aegosexual is a microlabel for ace-spec people who partially relate to aegosexuality, but experience it infrequently or very weakly, and may not feel they fully relate to the aegosexual label. One may very rarely enjoy or get aroused by sexual content or specific people, but only under specific circumstances, and are otherwise sex-neutral or sex-repulsed.

Proxyromantic is a form of romantic attraction in which one has a connection with a romantic orientation, or with the concept of romantic orientations, but does not have the will and/or the ability to figure that romantic orientation out for themselves. Proxyromantic could also be considered a microlabel under the term quoiromantic, the main difference being that one feels as though they have a romantic orientation and understands the concept of romantic attraction, but they don't have the will and/or ability to figure it out.

(This turned out to be longer and more of a mess than I had originally planned.)

#queer #queer community #angled aroace #agender #it its pronouns

[faggotwalkwithme]

hi, i'm theta, mars and basil! > he/him > gay + aroace > 17 :3

i love horror movies and i make them all transgender

my neocities (huge wip) (flashing warning)

my current interests areee > evil dead (+ other bruce campbell and/or sam raimi stuff) > twin peaks > jeffrey combs stuff (esp. reani, the phantom empire and dead man walking & love and a 45)

other stuff i'll definitely still be posting about: -> doctor who -> alternative subcultures (mostly goth and punk) -> fiction podcasts (specifically tma, w.bg and malevolent)

also, i'm in a band! we're @knees-mean-nothing, give us a follow :)

byf; i post a lot of fake gore/blood (like, A LOT of blood!), syringes, i'm a twin peaks fan (so also a lot of topics on sexual assault, incest and all that fun stuff..[/sarc] i'll try to tag this but i'll pribably mess up sometimes) i swear a lot and i use caps lock a lot. just bware if thats not ur jam

also exclusionists and TERFs go fuck yourself! and plz, if u ship minors and adults, block me

extra stuff below the cut :3

i literally just made this section because i like lists and i need an excuse.

my tagz: #shut up mars: original text posts | #faggotwalkwithme irl: my face | #friends tag: posts pertaining to. my friends | #friend's art!!!!: art that. is by my friends | #goofyfibula stan account: tag dedicated to my wonderful husbandbf (gender neutral), el | #ptrmoc: posts that remind me of characters | #<3: my favourite posts | #me: me | #gender: gender

past interests that i may still post about occasionally (bolded is i still post about it quite a bit!): monster high | warrior cats | musical theatre (in particular, hamilton/heathers/be more chill/dear evan hansen) | falsettos (gets its on category cuz its so special and cool) | good omens | stranger things/IT | sherlock (<- though if i ever post about that its usually in pain and making fun of it) | doctor who | life on mars/ashes to ashes | what we do in the shadows | bbc ghosts (and other six idiots content in general) | sing street | mozart l'opera rock | bugsnax | detroit: become human (im so sorry) | goncharov (i tag unreality) | the magnus archives | red valley | malevolent | WOE.BEGONE | fight club | the rocky horror picture show

more casual interests i'll still post about: camp here and there | MASH | interview with the vampire | buffy the vampire slayer | little lunch | bill and ted | severance | flight of the conchords | derry girls |

also umm some microlabels: quasiromantic, orientated aroace, genderfaun, xenogenders (im considering making like a blog or something where i document them all :3), aegosexual, grayromantic

top artists of all time according to last.fm: pulp | will wood | they might be giants | the cure | angelo badalamenti | mitski | oingo boingo | strawberry switchblade | the smiths | blur | pixies | talking heads | radiohead | david bowie | lemon demon | julee cruise | new order | hot freaks

my birthday is on february 24th :3 i'm from australia and indonesia!!! i'm an avatar of the lonely lets fucking go

#pinned post

[sophieinwonderland]

One thing I don't think anyone's brought up yet regarding this whole "mixed origin systems are endos" syscourse is that... some mixed origin systems fall purely under the traumagenic umbrella, and just use the term "mixed origin" to refer to their origin microlabels or the various forms of trauma that caused their system to form (for example, a system that formed due to a combination of neglect and medical trauma may consider these two forms of trauma as separate origins despite both falling under "traumagenic", especially if they can identify specific headmates as coming from one or the other, and thus identify as mixed origin). This idea doesn't just exclude a lot of trauma-endo systems, or those who have both spiritual and psychological origins, but even some traumagenic-only systems who just happen to consider their origins too complicated to only use the umbrella term of "traumagenic" to describe. Who wants to take bets on how long it'll take for some anti-endo to just say the quiet part out loud and start excluding systems based on whether or not the trauma they've experienced "counts" as a valid traumagenic origin, or begin a fresh wave of fakeclaiming based on how complicated or unusual a system's trauma is?

(Sadly, though, this isn't new stuff. A lot of anti-endos have been grouping "mixed origin" and "endogenic" together for a good while, and it's barred us out of a lot of spaces that we could otherwise have found community in for our traumagenic origins and DID. Idk if I'm even surprised anymore that these people don't bother to think about the actual definition and community behind a word they've decided is universally "bad".)

This is another really important point!

There has always been a lot of ableism from the anti-endo community directed at systems who use xeno-origin labels. But many xeno-origins could fall under the traumagenic umbrella.

This reminds me how, when I first got to this site, there was huge discourse over the term "pillowgenic."

From pluralpedia:

Seems like it should be innocent enough, but it managed to draw the ire of major anti-endos at the time.

(It was also posted in pro-endo and endo positivity tags for that extra level of vileness.)

The thing is, that origin, like many others, isn't just an endogenic label. There are plenty of traumagenic systems who would describe their own systems in similar terms.

I'm going off on a bit of a tangent, but the point is that I agree. Mixed origin doesn't mean partially endogenic, and DID/OSDD systems shouldn't have to fear being labeled as endogenic and discriminated against in DID and OSDD spaces for describing their experiences with xeno-origins.

#syscourse #plural #plurality #endogenic #system #multiplicity #systems #plural system #endogenic system #system stuff #actually plural #actually a system

[fictionkinfessions]

(Warning: this post contains mentions of homophobia, transphobia, bullying, and emotional neglect, as well as general issues with ahistoricism and cultural ignorance within the fictionkin community. Also, this only applies to sources that are meant to take place in a relatively realistic setting or are based on a real-world reigon/time period! If that's not you, feel free to ignore this.)

Hm... I was scrolling around and saw an ask from a really long time ago, and it made me want to say something.

Obviously I'm okay with people using whatever labels and pronouns they want for their kins! It's their kintype, so it's their business, sure, fine, all cool with me. However, even if you do remember being LGBTQ+, you have to take the time period and location into account.

For example, hello, I'm Kennith. I was born in 1969 in an average suburban town in Michigan. Nowadays, in this life, I'd say that I was demigreyromantic, gay, genderfluid, transmasc, and generally gnc, and I would've used he/they pronouns.

However, back when I was still alive as a teenager in the 80s, I knew the word gay and... yeah, that really was about it. If you had asked me then, I would've described the rest of that stuff as "I'm not really that much of a romance guy" and "I'm a guy who was born as a girl and hated it, but I still don't mind looking like a girl sometimes", and I used strictly he/him back then since "I'm a guy and that's what you call guys", because again, I was a teenager in the 80s, and I had no idea any of this stuff was even an option.

And, quick reminder, this is a relatively modern time frame, and it's in the United States. You may have all of these really cool microlabels and neopronouns to describe yourself now, and there's nothing wrong with that! It's never too late to discover who you truly are/were. However, you have to realize that you sure as hell weren't using those labels as, say, a member of ancient Japanese royalty. In terms of both the time frame and the language itself, that's just not how that would've worked.

Also, not to get overly negative, but chances are, if you are from sometime back in the day, even if it's as relatively recent as I was, people would most likely have not been accepting of you. I know people weren't accepting of me. I was bullied ruthlessly in school by nearly everyone for being gay and presenting myself femininely despite being transmasc. "Pretty Boy" was actually the tamest of the awful names they would call me, and it didn't even stop at insults. They would deliberately misgender and deadname me at every opportunity, bump me into walls and shit like that, and I even remember them beating me up a few times. My teachers and counselor did absolute jack-shit, and basically told me that I deserved it since I was so "different" (which is the word they used instead of calling me slurs! fun!). My parents were never much help either since A: I wasn't out to them, and B: they never gave a shit about literally anything else. The only people who respected me at all during that time were Stephanie and Greg, but I was barely able to see Greg outside of the gas station he worked at, and I've already gone into what ended up happening with fucking Stephanie... ugh.

Anyways, once again I say, this was in the United States in the 1980s. If people didn't accept me there and then, the chances of people accepting you for who you in another place and/or an earlier time are next to nothing. I'm sorry, it fucking sucks that it had to be that way, but it's true. I'm obviously not saying that you're not valid if you did have people who accepted you, I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely, given historical context.

I'm sorry for ranting once again, and I'm sorry if I said anything hurtful. The last thing I want to do is invalidate anyone. This is just something to consider, I guess... Ah well, who am I to tell you guys what you can and can't do? If I was still alive I'd be like 54 years old. Old Man Yells at Cloud.

-Kennith Simmons

#fictionkinfessions #fictionkin #kennithsimmonskin #communicationskin #homophobia cw #transphobia cw #bullying cw #emotional abuse cw #ahistoricism cw #racism cw #community issue #memories issue #deadnaming cw #misgendering cw #schools cw #victim blaming cw #slurs #ish #mod party cat #if this topic get ressurected i will have a heavy paw

[monsterqueers]

An Open Letter to the Rest of the Inclusive Plural Community

This is a post thats going to ruffle feathers, but what else is new?

When you ask people in The Wretched Discourse, ‘Why are you doing this? Why is this your position, really?’ you are going to get a couple different answers.

The inclusionists just want the whole of the plural community to exist in the space they have been historically allowed to exist in and use the language they have historically used in the community they helped build. They fight only because this space they have been in and helped build for years is under threat.

The reasons system exclusionists, including the ‘endo neutral’ and similar exclus-lite positions believe what they do is significantly more varied, as is why they do. Obviously we are very strongly opposed to exclusionist views, and we want to be clear about this, but that isn’t the point of this essay and we will not be receptive to arguments about this on our post or in our inbox about this post. People doing this WILL be blocked.

The point of this essay is that there ARE criticisms of the inclusive plural community that exclusionists have that are fair and are true. We don't agree with the conclusions they make regarding these criticisms, but there are problems that have merit that they have identified and are worth talking about. These problems are genuinely problems and they are things people just don’t talk about enough in strongly inclusionist spaces or actively perpetuate in these spaces.

The criticisms that we will be addressing with this essay:

Final Fusion/Unification/Full Integration stigma

Stigma against less separate systems

Stigma against very separate systems

Equating DID to plurality

‘Didn’t recognize my trauma and this hurt my recovery’

Endogenic abusers

Mandatory Microlabel Use

We will not be responding to ‘what about x complaint’ messages. If we didn't mention it then we won’t be mentioning it at all- either because we think its a non-issue, that it can be rolled into the issues mentioned, or we don't feel comfortable speaking on it.

With that out of the way, essay under the cut!

The Stigma Against Final Fusion/Unification/Full Integration

This is a very good criticism. For systems in which this is a healing choice they have given informed free consent to and for systems who are fusing/have fused by accident or otherwise against their will, it can be very alienating that so many people in the community are so aggressive about hating it. Sometimes this hatred extends to those who have underwent it, even.

Its an option that is rarely offered as a possible option in the plural community at large -particularly inclusive spaces- even in cases where it might be healthier for that system to try it out.

Its something that is often content warning-ed to even speak of in public plural spaces. So much as mentioning the option is seen as taboo.

It prevents people from considering it as an option that may otherwise have benefited from it because they can’t find good information about it and its so deeply discouraged. It prevents people who are in the process of unifying from speaking about their experiences or finding support. It especially alienates ex-systems from their former community- as they are seen as ‘betrayers’ for their recovery path or for things that happened against their will.

Its something that’s hot-button because its something that IS pushed on the community nonconsensually regardless of desire to take that path or without informed consent by many medical spaces. This is a legitimate problem, a legitimate thing that needs to be campaigned against; the forcing of FF on all systems as the must-try option that should only be abandoned for Healthy Multiplicity as a last resort if it seems to be impossible. If you talk to a therapist, the attitudes around FF are often entirely different than the ones in the community.

This is a open wound for the community, and thus people are a bit overzealous in rejecting anything to do with it.

There is balance to be had here, balance that needs to be emphasized more to solve this issue. FF needs to be treated with fairness as a valid option for some systems. While others may be triggered by it or firmly not want it or find it the opposite of healing for them and deserve to be allowed their space, there also needs to be space for those who want Unification, and it needs to be recognized as a valid option, and in the community right now, yes, many inclusive spaces strongly are against so much as discussing it as an option openly.

Simply changing the language people use about recovery and including FF as an option people can try when talking of recovery as well as how ones system may change over time would do wonders for this. Not being afraid to let people talk about their experiences with FF and giving accurate information on the risks and the process is another thing that can be done.

We as a community need to also check ourselves and stop viewing those who undergo FF or integration in general as ‘traitors to the cause’ or otherwise considering them less welcome in the community. It is a valid recovery path the same way healthy multiplicity is. While it has a low success rate, plenty of people do reach happiness after FF. It may very well be the best option for someone, and not allowing people the informed choice on choosing FF can hurt the community just as much as ONLY pushing FF.

Less Separate Systems & Medians Being Excluded

This is another valid point. There is a certain hierarchy in plural spaces that cannot be denied- those who are ‘more plural’ are considered more worth listening to, and those who consider themselves not singular but not all full separate people are ‘not plural enough’ (even systems with a paper diagnosis!) to some to be worth listening to.

This is wrong, of course. All those who have ‘more than one’ experiences belong here in the plural community if they wish to be. This is a truly important criticism, that those who don't identify as all fully separate people, but are still having ‘more than one’ experiences feel excluded from the community, or don't feel like they are ‘allowed’ to use our resources when they need them or to identify as they are. Some people with less separation/elaboration/etc feel pressured to force themselves to be more separate to fit in when that's not right for them as well. They feel pressured to identify as fully separate people when it may not be helpful for them personally to do so.

The thing to do about this is to make sure when educating about plurality to mention the experiences of these sorts of systems just as much as those who are separate. To not exclude people who use parts language instead of people language about those in their system.

The community has to examine their attitudes towards ‘less defined’ systems and systems that don't claim separate moral personhood if it is to become a better space than it is right now.

Stigma Against Very Separate Systems

Conversely, there is also a problem with acceptance of those who are very separate systems- who consider themselves fully separate people. Those who don't want to be referred to as a gestalt and known as only the gestalt- who want a identity outside of ‘part of this system’. Many inclusive spaces also push these sorts of very separate systems to the wayside. These systems are often seen as unruly or unreasonable for wanting to be considered totally separate from their headmates.

This sort of dismissal of anyone who isn't in a narrow band of acceptability in terms of separation is a huge problem in plural spaces. They need to be multiple, but not TOO multiple or they become what is viewed as a liability. They are accused of poor ‘system accountability’ and ‘dangerous blame dodging’ for merely asserting their personhood. All plural folks belong in this community and deserve to have their autonomy and personhood respected. They shouldn't need to erase their expression of personhood to make others feel more comfortable.

System accountability does not need to look the same for every system. What is helpful and necessary to ensure the system reduces harm and can make adequate moves to make up for harm that was done and seek to do better in the future may be stifling as actively detrimental to another system. What is helpful and works for one system to allow freedoms while doing these things may encourage bad habits in another system. There is no one-size-fits all protocol for harm reduction, and the community needs to recognize this.

What must be done about this is much the same as what must be done to accept median systems better- be sure to respect the language people use in general and respect the personhood or lack thereof of each headmate. The community again needs to examine its attitude towards systems who wish to be considered fully separate from those who share their body with them and respect their desire to be considered fully separate people who just share a body.

Equating DID (and other dissociative disorders) to Plurality

Again another valid point. Having a dissociative disorder is not inherently plural. Plurality is a opt-in label and framework for those who have ‘more than one’ experiences, of which include but is not limited to those who have DID, p-DID, OSDD, or UDD. However people with these disorders should not be thought of as inherently plural if they don’t claim the label. They very much can be considered such as their experience is a ‘more than one’ experience, but they shouldn't be forced to use the community term, especially if they don't identify with the framework or doing so would hamper their recovery.

The solution to this is to again, try to shift the language to ‘more than one experience’ when talking about having headmates/parts/alters at all, and Plurality as a specific label some people with those experiences claim that has its own particular culture, framework, and attitude surrounding their ‘more than one’ experiences. People with dissociative disorders who do not want to be considered plural despite falling firmly under the strictest criteria of the word should not be considered plural if they don't want to be.

It is also important when talking only about dissociative disorder experiences to specify that- as ‘plural’ is a historically broader term, and ‘more than one experience’ is even moreso.

Enforcing strict lines in the sand doesn't help all of us who have ‘more than one’ experiences at large, but not respecting the language and frameworks people want to or don't want to use is also harmful.

Being specific about the language and communities and experience being talked about is important to helping avoid miscommunication and conflict.

Endogenic Abusers

No one wants to admit their community has abusers, but yes, every community WILL, statistically speaking, have them. Yes, even survivor networks, yes even DID groups, yes even plural spaces.

Unfortunately many neo-internet communities and loose subcultures assume themselves to not have these kinds of people, and feel they can let their guard down. This is not the case. And because the community is ‘weird’, people feel like will not be taken seriously when they report the abuse. When abuse is reported, it gives ammo to trolls to attack the groups they belong to, and has very much in the past happened to other subcultures.

However it is VITALLY IMPORTANT to report this abuse anyway, if viable. Otherwise the missing stairs effect becomes a serious problem.

It is also tempting to blame the weird/cringe belief for the abuse, because saying ‘this person is a horrible person because they chose to hurt me’ is harder than saying ‘people who believe this non-normative thing are uniformly bad’, in part because brains like clicky patterns, and that's a big difference compared to other people one may know, in part because it means avoiding putting the blame on the person instead of on the belief.

This is a problem in many alternative groups. The weird thing isn't a problem, its what the person who abused you did with the weird thing that is the problem. It doesn't mean the weird thing is fake/wrong/not real, it means only that the person did bad things with the weird thing.

The belief -no matter how bizarre- isn't the problem, the abusive or otherwise harmful behavior is.

The problem isn't that the person believes in endogenic systems, or system hopping, or fictives with ‘canonmates’, but that the person does things like ‘insists that any amnesia or dissociative experiences or trauma signs are nothing to worry about and you shouldn't ever explore that’, or ‘insists they can alter your memories by traveling to your system or can steal your headmates’ or ‘insists that they are your headmate’s loved ones from their exomemories and that means you can, should, and MUST trust them’.

These are signs that should be spread around and can actually help to reduce abuse. When people are new to the community, they should get this kind of warning sign help. This is something that isn't currently done but should be, and is something that can materially help with the problems some people have experienced.

The solution is clearly twofold- making sure that the community can and WILL hold people accountable for abuse AND to spread knowledge of the red flags of abuse and plural-specific abuse warning signs.

It is also worth noting when speaking of making the community safer that DARVO is a common tactic and callouts often are a tool of harassment and abuse with fabricated evidence to further harm a victim. It is important that the community learns to distinguish the most obvious of the fabricated ones and responds to more legitimate looking ones constructively (ie- not with anon hate dogpiles, which do not fix the actual problem, merely harm someone to make the people doing it feel better).

One needs to look beyond kneejerk disgust and discourse positions when examining who is the ‘bad guy’ in the situation. Many a callout post has been made to fabricate someone on the other side of a petty intracommunity wankfest as an abuser, sometimes even including doctored screenshots.

It is worth reading [https://thenewinquiry.com/hot-allostatic-load/] and other related texts of people who were DARVOed with callouts and internet mobbed by communities who believed the abuser before deciding to spread any kind of callout.

Again- there ARE endogenic abusers. There are inclusive spaces that are deeply toxic and harmful and deserve to be talked about as problems. This does not make the wider inclusive community inherently abusive. This does not make the inclusive belief inherently abusive. One can talk about their shitty actions without deciding their politics are bad, or without implying they are bad because of their politics. And it NEEDS to be done. Circling the wagons its not helping anything, least of all victims.

The inclusive community very much needs to become more receptive to fairly hearing out the testimonies of those harmed or excluded within it, even if it was the mod of their favorite discord chat who was accused, as well as able to discern obvious DARVO or petty revenge callout posts from true accusations and then only do constructive things about it.

“I didn't recognize my trauma (because of inclusive places) and this hurt my recovery!”

This is unfortunate. However the fault does not lie at the feet of non-trauma-based multiplicity existing in of itself. One can hold the belief that these kinds of systems exist AND that identifying this way for that person personally was harming them. To make this claim is the same as when people were saying ‘I IDed as ace because of internalized homophobia so the label of ace is inherently harmful.’ While the statement that they personally were harmed by ID-ing that way directly may be true, that does not mean its inherently harmful for everyone to identify that way and exist.

The problem was where the environment didn't feel safe for them personally to explore that other identity, the problem was they may have had not had correct information and resources available to them about trauma symptoms and what ‘distress or impairment’ means, the problem is that they felt like they couldn’t touch resources that could help problems they had previously because they were labeled for certain kinds of systems only.

Its possible that some may never have found the path that led to DID without the endogenic community as a stepping stone- this the the actual truth for plenty of systems we have seen. The inclusive community and the endogenic label allowed them to start unpacking everything and have a place for themselves until they were ready to see the trauma. Without this they would not have gotten to that point. Not everyone who thought they were endogenic at first but realized they were trauma based had a bad experience with it. And indeed, we know of a few systems who started with the assumption they were fully trauma-based, but found they were fully endogenic as well, and spent years harmed by the notion that they HAD to have hidden trauma to have ‘more than one’ experiences.

The environment not providing knowledge or safety to question is a genuine problem. But it is not inherent to believing a system’s self-reported experience. Unfortunately, many plural spaces are NOT receptive to the notion that one’s understanding of their origin can change over time.

People do not spread knowledge that one’s understanding of one’s system can and often will change over time. People do not spread knowledge nearly enough that because dissociative amnesia is the way it is, one can forget they have amnesia and that is common to do so. People do not spread knowledge that anything that makes their life difficult or bothers them relating to plural traits, memory, or dissociation counts as ‘significant distress or impairment’ for a dissociative disorder. People do not spread knowledge that stress is a type of trauma, sensory distress is a type of trauma, chronic pain and illness is a type of trauma, neglect and isolation is a type of trauma- and many other things about the many dimensions of trauma and dissociation. 

These are actual concerns and they are serious ones! The community has a huge problem with not providing this kind of knowledge when introducing plurality or just in general- this is something we-the-authors are rather outspoken about when we talk of it. The community has a huge telephone game problem where people learn of being plural being a thing from a mutual who explains it poorly and they never get pointed to any resource collection besides a term hoard wiki. They never pass out any history compilation, any real FAQ that isn't just 500 definitions of words that are unimportant in the grand scheme of what one actually needs to know about the experience, any symptom list of dissociation or c-ptsd.

Some parts of the community see someone claim an origin while experiencing some very clear signs that they might want to reexamine this judgment and instead encourages never looking into anything else or working on the problems they have. Yes believe people, but sometimes we do take that too far and loop back around to enabling when we could gently suggest they look into some other things.

This again, can be solved by circulating this kind of information and putting it in the FAQs people make instead of a bunch of origin microlabels (which are cool to be clear but not necessary information for newbies the way other things are). This can be solved by making an atmosphere where people feel ok to question their origins and understanding when they gain new information. This can be solved by not just pointing at a barebones term-hoard website as the only important source of community information.

This leads into the next problem.

The Forced Microlabeling

There is a massive problem in the inclusive community where there is a strong pressure to have your entire system figured out from the getgo and put on a carrd. Every headmate with pronouns/orientation/gender and other identity labels and front triggers and how they individually were formed exactly listed, your exact origins via some incredibly unintuitive -genic label, your switching style(using only the popular community framework and not any other), your level of amnesia, and your disorder status. We constantly see people apologize for not having this information and not making a incredibly detailed intro post when they have known of their plurality for less than a week.

This is undeniably a problem.

This point is not to say microlabels are inherently bad. Because they are not- they are fun shiny things for people to use and help express themselves and do no inherent harm in their use.

The problem comes from the fact that they are all but forced on people and end up becoming very forced lines in the sand that prevent people from recognizing their own community and similarities. The problem also comes with the fact that that is sensitive information being given out and a LOT of it, which is dangerous. Especially when people feel pressured to do so.

Its worth reading this article on microlabels and sexuality which also talks of this problem but in the queer community: [https://aninjusticemag.com/on-hyperpersonalized-sexual-identity-f3736d15928d]

A quote that is of note in particular:

“Having a plethora of specific atomized sexualities discourages broad alliances and forming solidarity over shared experiences. Instead, it forces people to over-analyze themselves and focus on how they’re different from others rather than what they have in common with them.”

This is geared for sexualities, but it very much applies here as well. People have become so focused on making smaller and smaller boxes to put themselves in that they forget we are all plural and we are not all so different.

Its apt that plural spaces have this problem too- as the process of microlabels becoming so prevalent in system spaces comes from MOGAI microlabel ‘coin every super specific experience with no consultation with others who also experience that beforehand with a flag and everything’ culture, for lack of a better way to put it.

Many plural folks are queer, possibly because the outcast effect ends up allowing people to question and express other parts of their identity that are not accepted by society when they are already ‘outcast’ from it. Thus a lot of people came to plurality from queer spaces, MOGAI ones specifically.

Because MOGAI culture so informs the culture of the inclusive plural community, genuine critiques of that culture tend to by-and large apply to many corners of the plural community as well.

Again to be clear- This is NOT saying microlabeling and MOGAI culture in general is uniformly inherently bad, its that some of the downsides and negative aspects of the culture are also present in plural spaces and remain problems.

The hypercoinage of unintuitive microlabels and unrecognizable expensive-to-make flags by coining blogs who dont even experience or have much investment in the thing coined clogging up ‘need to know’ glossary lists with terms few people use is one such valid complaint. 

The extreme possessiveness some people get over an identity experience they only coined a word for and intended said word for community use to the point that one must follow their ever-changing 1k+ word DNI to have that experience or use the label is another.

The sort of unstated vibe in the air that you HAVE to use those words, with people descending on you after you describe something with the word all but saying you should be using that label instead of the one you were using is very much also another.

These problems are undeniable- microlabel culture causes a lot of drama and divisions in the community that simply do not need to be happening. The labels themselves aren't bad, but there is a lot of toxicity and inconsiderate and irresponsible behavior going on surrounding them that needs to be worked on by the community.

In system spaces people experience a lot of anxiety over having to choose a ‘genic label right off the bat, over saying their switching type and disordered status and level of separation while using the frameworks that are popular in the community and those only. They feel great pressure.

Many discord servers require you to do a introduction where the intro template lists these things, implying you NEED to have a ‘genic term per headmate and one in general, that you NEED to have a million other labels in the popular frameworks to describe your experiences, that you NEED to disclose any of this if you do know it, and that those labels have no overlap with others EVER.

People insist traumagenic spaces cannot overlap with any other origin type, excluding those who have different mythos but have incredibly similar material experiences that are helped by the resources in those spaces and those who are edge cases.

Consider those who feel their from-birth inherent neurodivergence traits are what made them plural but later trauma is what caused their dissociative disorder, or those who believe they were born with multiple souls but then trauma split those souls, or those who aren't sure if they chose to create an entity or if stress got so bad they ended up splitting a headmate, or any other number of systems with blurry lines.

Where do these people go when the lines are drawn? They have to choose one ‘side’ or the other in the current climate but will never fully fit in wherever they go.

People insist disorderly spaces cannot ever overlap with subclinical/nonmedical ones, even if that system is only disqualified from diagnosis because they are not impaired or distressed but fit the criteria and popular medical theories perfectly.  Even if they experience all the same things but don't find those things impairing or distressing.

There are those who identify as not formed from trauma(partially or fully) who are officially diagnosed. There are tulpamancy systems that became disorderly later after trauma. There are diagnosed systems that don't consider themselves to fit the ToSD and instead feel they have more similarity in their workings to endogenic frameworks. These systems fall through the cracks of this heavy divide.

It is these heavy lines in the sand that are the root of why being in certain spaces can hurt people.

People are told that if you identify as anything but traumagenic, you cannot and should not EVER use resources meant for disordered systems, regardless of if they can help you. That if you are a disorderly system, tulpamancy guides can NEVER help you learn any system skill ever. That if you are diagnosed you can’t EVER consider any other framework for your plurality than the one that is most popular in the psychiatric field or you are hurting your recovery.

Eroding these lines and giving help based on symptoms experienced rather than origin or diagnosis allows people to access help and frameworks that they may need.

These sorts of heavy lines prevent people from seeing how we are alike, how we can help each other, how some of us straddle these lines and help bridge the gaps between our differences.

If one had access to these resources, if it was accepted to use a resource if it helps you regardless of who its for, then perhaps one wouldn't have had the problem where they ‘thought they were endogenic and thus never worked on their problems’- because they would have felt ‘allowed’ to use a resource that could help them with any problems they were currently experiencing regardless of their origin. They would be encouraged to read articles talking of things that may let them recognize they are having problems in the first place. They would know they had memory trouble or somesuch and used the resources for that and started their recovery. They would have had access to others who also experienced that particular issue and might have noticed their experiences actually lined up more with a dissociative disorder. And if they didn't take that help, then that's because they weren't ready to face it regardless. 

It is our firm belief that these drawn lines in the sand in the plural community based on disorder status or origin cause the plural community significantly more harm than good and are the cause of many of the genuine problems within it.

Much of the genuine problems exclusionists have with ‘endos’ (‘hurt my recovery’, ‘people not realizing they have issues or trauma’, ‘people not knowing the level of suffering people with DDs can and often do have’, etc) can be solved with making these lines less deep, by making resources and guides accessible and welcoming to all who experience that particular symptom but not necessarily the rest, by making a community where all experiences across all origins and disorder status can be heard and valued.

This doesn't mean that dissociative disorder spaces for people with DDs only need to go away, but that the barrier for entry needs to be less steep for those questioning and the wider plural community needs to make nonspecific symptom-focused resources available more.

But this requires changing the framework for viewing what a disorder even is. And this scares people. People are used to thinking of disorders as concrete things that are or are not happening. However all the psychological disorders are not like things like tuberculosis or strep throat- they have no concrete yes or no bacterial test- they are only collections of symptoms commonly seen together which were codified for insurance purposes.

Changing the framework of thinking of a disorder as a coherent thing to a collection of symptoms that line up with a common cluster of symptoms is necessary to accepting that people without a specific disorder may experience a symptom from it and may need and be helped by that support, wether or not the THEORY or rest of the symptom list for that disorder holds for that person.

In order to help the most amount of people, one must accept that sometimes people who don't claim to have a particular disorder should access those resources and spaces meant for those with those symptoms in order to get unique things that help them they cannot get anywhere else.

This DOES NOT MEAN that spaces only for those diagnosed shouldn't exist, merely that there should be spaces that are more relaxed about this so that people may get the help they need.

In order to feel less uncomfortable about this, thinking about disorders as clusters of symptoms that can be helped individually by different things and framing the help for these things as not by disorder but by experienced symptom without assuming certain frameworks or diagnosis can help shift the narrative from ‘people without x invading a space and using our resources’ to ‘people experiencing x symptom are getting help for managing x symptom’. Especially in situations where the resource is not finite, like help guides and info posts and downloadable tools.

We suppose that is our thesis for this post- many of the problems in this community that are worth critiquing can be boiled down to ‘respect other’s experiences and recovery paths even if they aren't like your own and let them have space to talk about them’, ‘normal internet space critiques about community accountability’, and ‘if we stopped holding up the stark label divides and started putting out more information on -experience- over framework-based and gated resources and how to deal with the individual experiences, many of the problems would disappear’;

#systematicpride #actuallyplural #pro endo #plural gang #no idea what tags ppl are using now lol #anyway start the disk horse on this post and get blocked etc etc #plural stuff #wayward rambling #will put on the website later #rebloggable

[sex-repulsed-culture-is]

Sex repulsed culture is dithering about whether or not orchidsexual might fall under the arcsexual umbrella

Orchidsexual is a microlabel on the Asexual Spectrum in which an individual experiences sexual attraction, but does not desire a sexual relationship or encounter. It can be used on its own or as an umbrella term. Someone who identifies as orchidsexual may consider others to be sexually attractive, but they would lack the desire to have or dislike having sexual experiences. Orchidsexual can be described as “the opposite of cupiosexual.” It is under the greysexual umbrella

Arcsexuality refers to those who are averse, repulsed or have conflicted feelings about sex, which can be the case with orchidsexual people who, as stated above, may "lack the desire to have or dislike having sexual experiences." If someone wishes to use both labels, I think there's no reason against it!

-Mod Eria

#Anonymous #sex repulsed culture is #anticarnal culture is #sex repulsed #anticarnal #arcsexual #mod eria #orchidsexual

[sevenhundred721]

!! If you see me liking your art but not reblogging, it is in my queue !!

You might wanna read this before you follow/scroll through my blog. It's basically just an 'about me' and some content warnings. That said, it's a rambling wall of text because I kinda lost the plot, so there's a tl;dr at the end. Don't really care if you read this, I'm not the boss of you. Follow if you want.

Also, check out my art tag. There's not much in there, but I'd still appreciate some eyes on it. For now, I just use #my art

Just hit me I don't have a pinned post and my bio is a quote let's fix that. I'm white, I'm an adult, I'm a high-school dropout. Call me whatever you want, my name means very little to me. That said, my friends call me oil, and the most recent enemies I've had (rude teenagers in driver's ed) called me Cowboy Girl. I am not a girl. This is unrelated to why these people were my enemies. I think it's really funny, so call me by it if you'd like. I really only care about how I'm gendered irl, don't sweat my pronouns too hard on here. I'm not gonna mind if you don't use the right ones (he/him), and if a situation arises where somebody gets them wrong or uses different pronouns for comedic effect, don't worry about correcting them. I will do that if I see fit. And if it's not something I can see or respond to, then what I don't know can't hurt me, idgaf.

I like posting art, but it's pretty sporadic, so it's not really worth following for. I appreciate reblogs when I do post it, though. Art requests are always open, but I usually don't get around to doing them, i just hope they'll inspire me to draw something fun. I guess technically, this is a personal blog. The only fandom I have a recent history of interacting with people in, beyond just looking at/reblogging posts from, is transformers, and I'm still more of a lurker than anything. If you see me talking about/reblogging things from smth you have interest in, my dms and ask box are open. I enjoy idle chatter.

I'd prefer minors don't follow me, but I don't mind interactions from minors on my sfw posts. I just sometimes post/reblog things that are nsfw. That being said, the most you'll see in that department on this blog is just some conventional softcore fetish content and artistic nudity. I sometimes forget to tag gore, blood, and needles when I reblog them, and I do enjoy horror media, so if you are sensitive to that stuff, while I do try to tag it, I can be forgetful sometimes so my blog may not be a safe place for you.

If I reblog or post something and it has any kind of bigoted dogwhistles or is just generally misinformed, shoot me an ask or DM so I can delete it. I refuse to knowingly enable bigotry on my blog, and if I post something bigoted, it is out of ignorance. I'm not going to delete any post I make just because some stranger on the internet tells me to take it down, but I will genuinely consider what you say to me and I will take it as a queue to read more on the topic in order to investigate the stance I took. Don't try to do petty discourse with me. This is mostly about queer microlabel shit or powerscaling leftist ideology. It's sometimes interesting to think about, and I have opinions on that stuff, but ultimately, arguing about it does literally nothing for anyone except waste time that could be spent doing anything else. The sentiments are better expressed in opinion piece essays instead of bad faith arguments with strangers. I'm open to criticism, and I enjoy talking to people who don't share my opinions sometimes, but please show some decorum.

Tl;dr: white, American, he/him, adult. Some nsfw content sometimes. Might rb horror content (including blood/gore/medical equipment), in the past, I have forgotten to trigger tag it, and I may make that mistake again. Open to dms/asks, please tell me if a post I've made/rb'ed has offended you, and I'll look into it. Art requests open, but I probably won't do them.

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Zeus's bi straight microlabels

It's the jupiteric (mspec straight) microlabels but they're for bi straights specifically

#1. Ioan Bi Straight

Meaning: A person who considers themselves a bi straight because they are attracted to multiple opposingly, neutrally, xenically, and/or unaligned genders

#2: Europan Bi Straight

Meaning: A person who considers themselves a bi straight because they are bi, however their attraction towards opposingly, neutrally, xenically, and/or unaligned genders is significantly stronger, and the feel somewhere in between bi and straight; using bi straight as an alternative to heteroflexible

#3: Ganymedean Bi Straight

Meaning: A person who considers themselves a bi straight because they use the split attraction model and are straight in one form of attraction and bi in another

#4: Callistoan Bi Straight

Meaning: A person who considers themselves a bi straight because they are bi, but they call themselves straight. They may choose to identify this way because of being in an m/f or other different-gender relationship, and/or reclaiming "straight" being used to erase their bi identity (being called straight passing, basically straight, excluded from queer spaces for being in an m/f or m/f appearing relationship). Reason for use is up to the user!

#5: Galilean Bi Straight

Meaning: A person who's experience as a bi straight is fluid and ever changing. They may be a Ganymedean bi straight one day, then in a week find themselves to be an Ioan.

#6: Great Red Spot Bi Straight

Meaning: A person who's experience as a bi straight is either in somewhere in between these microlabels or completely outside of it. A non-moon was chosen to represent the latter. Like I've always said, people I missed are valid, I'm just not all-knowing. You can coin your own bi straight microlabels for your experiences!

#jupiteric #mspec straight #mspec straight safe #bi straight #mogai coining #mogai #mogai orientation #mogai identity #mogai community #mogai label #orientation #orientation coining #inclusionism #inclusion #inclusive #inclusionist #inclus #orientation flag #flag coining