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yallemagne · 1 year

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something that some modern-day media could learn is that you can have two people already together and keep it interesting. you can make them work hard to take their relationship to the next level (like marriage) or fight hard to stay together, without it having anything to do with infidelity or constant bickering. all the while they make it apparent that they love and want each other (it's kind of what makes your audience root for them!).

There's no faith in love. It's a weird thing to think about. We're raised on shit that is all "the power of friendship! and cute girls and boys!" but all the more "adult" takes on love are just "eh. sex? possessiveness? jealousy?" It's like once you grow up, all you're fed from that point on is subversive propaganda.

Even in a society that puts a hell of a lot of value upon romance and marriage, there's no faith in either in our media. It's mostly just sex, really, and then the bitter revelation that True Love is fake. I guess the writers and directors for movies are all divorcees so that kind of makes sense. And all the songwriters are young people still upset about Disney princess movies. But even in the most cheesy "we're family, we need to stick together" media, the married couple is always in the process of getting a divorce. It's silly.

Jonathan and Mina have known each other their entire lives. Their honeymoon phase had to have ended long before they ever got married. They don't love "the idea" of each other, they love each other because they know each other. Mina is confident that Jonathan would never be unfaithful to her because he honestly wouldn't, and Jonathan never tries to stifle Mina for fear someone else will sweep her off her feet because she has never given him reason to doubt her love for him. And neither of them is insecure, that's a big part of it. Their relationship works so well because there's no immaturity colouring it, no projected insecurity, just mutual trust. In my personal headcanon, part of the reason they're never concerned about "he/she must be thinking about other women/men" is that they already have experience "sharing" with Lucy. They know that you can love multiple people at once without devaluing the love of one person.

There are so many romcoms and shit, there is so much media that, instead of acknowledging that love (all types of it, really) is something you have to work at but should make you feel good, they feel the need to add cheap conflict. Infidelity and lack of trust in a partner are problems, but they aren't the only problems in a relationship. When stories only focus on character flaws as the primary driver of the conflict (Character A is too sleazy, Character B is too insecure, blah blah), it just makes you wonder "why am I watching a movie about two pricks with no chemistry and no redeeming qualities". There can be outside forces putting a strain on the relationship that the characters have to power through because ultimately their relationship is worth the effort. Romances in movies are hardly ever worth the effort because they're often built on lies that lead to a third-act breakup that is quickly resolved with a single apology. Sometimes they're just actively toxic, with the characters being too immature for a committed relationship and just being very unhealthy for each other. So the message of "we're family, we need to stick together" falls flat in those cases because the relationship has no foundation, it's a bandaid on a bullet wound.

I am so fucking invested in love. I adore love, and I adore this horror novel that has the power of friendship save the day. I would kill for more mature media that puts its faith in love rather than the idea of a happy ending or the cynical subversion of a happy ending. I'm tired of author inserts in movies telling me "that's not how the world works, love is fake".

JUST GIVE ME MORE MEDIA WITH REALISTIC TAKES ON HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS. REALISTIC DOES NOT EQUAL BAD.

#update #people ask me things #rant #hey movie directors #take writing advice from this virgin on how to write a good romance

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afaramir · 2 months

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I love your posts about Denethor and Faramir. I'm always glad to see someone who loves both him and Faramir and gets that Denethor being this hugely impressive tragic figure makes Faramir so much better and more interesting. The relationship between them is so complex and I love it so much. The film versions make me angry as well.

oh man thank you so much...i find it kinda crazy that you're saying this to me bc im pretty sure i have a bunch of posts from your denethor tag sitting around in my drafts so i can look back at them later. many days i feel very much like an Amateur Denethor Enjoyer but i am thrilled that me just kind of being unhinged on the dash has brought you joy. and get ready bc here i go again LOL

yeah exactly what you said...denethor's tragedy informs and is informed by faramir so so so much and it's just kind of wild to me that on the tragedy enjoyers website so many people refuse to see it. on the second-best enjoyers website...the guilt-and-despair enjoyers website...the "the unimaginable has happened and i AM going to kill people and then myself" enjoyers website...i could go on! he is literally doomed by the narrative and just goes well ok fuck you i WILL die at the end but it will NOT be in the way the narrative wants me to.

it is truly the relationship of all time. faramir does love his father and yet because of the strength of his principles he is genuinely incapable of showing it in a way that denethor can understand. and denethor loves him too but after a certain point just cannot show it anymore because duty has to take precedence. he's not allowed to give faramir any quarter even in private. and YES that includes anything that would resemble a normal emotion. ngl i wouldn't be surprised if that's the only way faramir is like. LETTING him communicate with him. like i feel like the final assault on osgiliath is not the first time faramir's taken the "if you want to get me to do something you ARE going to have to order me to do it" stance. and yet denethor tries. at the end he takes trying to an unhinged level. idk it often feels like even in the general fandom insistance on one-dimensionally dickish denethor there's somehow also a lack of understanding that it IS a toxic expression of love but that doesn't make it not love. like He's Not Winning Dad Of The Year that is not what we're saying at all. we're saying is "it was born of love. it was a terrible thing yet born of love." thats all! that's why it's so tragic because it's all about love!!! augh...

ok i don't typically put quotations from my own writing in like real posts but also ive been thinking about the faramir goes to rivendell au 24/7 and i just. HAVE to pull this line bc it kind of captures exactly how i feel about the denethor-and-faramir mutual Character Honing.

Yet he [Faramir] cannot deny that each of them sharpens himself upon the whetstone of the other, and it is a debt he loathes to owe and yet cannot hope to repay.

i mean.......like are you picking up what im putting down! like! AAA! both in-narrative and out of it they are always ALWAYS making each other better (or worse. but worse in a More Interesting Way) but AT WHAT COST!!! he loves his father he would not be the man he is today without his father both in a good and bad way he HATES that these two things are true. faramir and denethor are not foils they're parallels they build each other's characters up when you put them next to each other!! faramir is who denethor wouldve couldve been without the war!! hey hang on a second is denethor who faramir would've become if he were the lord steward during the war of the ring? (this is a little reductive i think faramir's susceptibility to despair is quite different to his father's. and i wonder how long his gentleness would've prevailed / worked side by side with his duty instead of being diametrically opposed to it. but anyway. well i'll be thinking about THAT for the rest of the night. i cannot start another au i cannot i cannot i cannot). anyway you can't get one of them without getting the other and that is all...

man i always say like oh don't get me started on movie faramir and denethor and then the don't think of an elephant effect GETS me and it gets me started. last night i genuinely said like "well i won't get into it" and then three hours later it was 2am and it was so very clear that i had Gotten Into It. i had to tell our other roommate like "tell me when ur going to bed i am talking about denethor and i will be yelling." my roommate just came home and i told her about this post and then i had to explain a detail and she SET ME A THREE MINUTE TIMER bc she was like i have to go study. and that's fair

anyway i hope you are having a good night/day/whatever time it is for you. thank you for this ask it is always fun to see you pop up in my notifs whenever im denethorposting lol

#from the inbox #bretwalda-lamnguin #i always get so bitchy when im talking about the popular interpretation LOL #i had to like take some deep breaths and remove The Tone from this post. if its still there thats on me #i feel like you get it #Another 800+ Word Denethor Post From Yours Truly. when u become a denethor girl (gnc) there is truly no going back...#denethorposting

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xox-hitorabu-xox · 5 years

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You misunderstood my words, I definitely think Izaya doesn't need a lover in canon in order to have a personal resolution, I just named the Shinzaya, Shizaya and Izamika ships because they're objectively the ships with more potential (and quantity of material) to evolve into something else, where situations are ambiguous enough (especially with Shinra and Shizuo) to be read in both ways. I mean, it's really easy to think Izaya might be in unrequited love with his "best friend" who doesn't (2)

give a shit and is totally obsessed with a monster or that is in love with his lifetime rival but in extreme denial because Shizuo’s first rejection hurt him deeply and since his heart is so fragile to break if filled with human love, betrayal or rejection, convincing himself to hate him while destroying his life, is the ultimate form of self-preservation (+ other additional stuff that came later), etc. It’s just a step from the two interpretations, that’s why it would take nothing to (2)

write something about Izaya’s past with Mikage and Kine, he didn’t because he lacked time. No big secret behind it, he was and still is involved in too many projects and lately even got sick and just recently recovered. Dude don’t get mad, I’m not saying that there is 0 potential between Izakage, like they’re already more steps ahead from Izanamie but still doesn’t seems like she’s one of the people who had an epic impact in his life, if by any case it’s revealed that she is, good for you. (3)I’m not really against anything and I read a bit of everything, but if someone comes at me asking: “What Drrr ship has the most potential/double interpretation material to build over in order to make it romantic?” and oc I’d reply Shinzaya, Shizaya and Izamika because I just have eyes to read and what I read tell this. It’s not like I prefer them or something, if Mikage was in Shinra’s place to give an example, that’d be the other way around. It’s nothing personal against the Izakage ship. (4)

If people don’t see potential in something doesn’t mean there isn’t in general, if Shizaya is so popular is specifically because so many people can see it because it’s really easy interpreting certain behaviors in different ways. It’s just Narita who can’t see this or any other mxm ship because is limited by homophobia and all ships need to be straight. But here we’re talking about potential not what will happen in canon, that’s why I say is all wasted unexplored potential. Too bad for him.(5)

Maybe I’m the only one who thinks IzayaxMikage is more or less on the same level of KadotaxIzaya. Like both know Izaya pretty well, they shared the high school period and know and acknowledge his flaws, still they still see some positivity in him. They’re impartial in jugding him, contrary to others who see him as Satan himself or Shinra who knows him more than anyone else still doesn’t care. Difference? None. IzayaxMikage has simply more chances because is a straight ship and that is sad af.

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First off, Narita has broken the INCEST taboo, literally having Kurui and Mairu, both girls and sisters, kissing, (whether or not they hold and attraction for Aoba/Kasuka as a side attraction is beside the point) so I HIGHLY doubt he’s a homophobe or worried about every ship being straight, that’s just you being salty over Shizaya not being canon(and don’t say you’re not, because otherwise you wouldn’t care about or have an issue with Narita not acknowledging Shizaya). And it’s not nice to accuse people homophobic unless it comes out of his own mouth, especially considering all the gay jokes and vibes throughout the anime and novels.

Nextly, all of this is you pushing your ship onto me and putting down my ship, which is just rude. On top of that, Claiming that Shizaya has SO MUCH potential while telling me my ship has next to none is also incredibly petty of you. I’m not gonna argue about Shinzaya or IzaMika one way or another, (KEEP IN MIND THAT I AM IN NO WAY BASHING SHIZAYA, I FULLY SUPPORT THE FANART AND FANFICTIONS FOR IT) but Shizaya is honestly the worse pairing to compare to IzaKage or ShinCelty. Unlike with all the other ships in Durarara!! Shizuo and Izaya hate each other, they try to kill each other on a daily basis, they can’t stand each other, they don’t like or admire anything about the other, and would never want to, it’s not even remotely love. It’s pure unrivaled hatred. While I enjoy Shizaya in fanfictions, I would NEVER wish for that pairing to become canon.

And since you have basically put down ShinCelty and said that I shouldn’t go on about what isn’t healthy, let’s go on about what IS healthy. Unlike Shizuo and Izaya, Shinra and Celty never try to kill each other, they are physically attracted to each other, and above all else, Shinra makes Celty feel like an actual human being and Celty inspires Shinra act like a human being and keeps him from making terrible and inhumane choices on more than one occasion(like stopping him from killing Aoba). Celty is the one who encouraged Shinra to go make friends, Celty is the one who looks after him and his wounds after he was attacked by Adabashi, Shinra is the one who helps Celty find happiness and humanity. Yes, Shinra manipulated Celty and Celty was mad at him, but his feelings for her were still genuine, even if he was selfish and very questionable, arguably having even less morals than Izaya. But he never tried to have her killed, they don’t throw huge objects or knives at each other on a daily basis, they don’t frame each other for crimes, they don’t tell each other they’re not allowed to come into Ikebukuro or act like they own the town, they don’t prevent the other from making connections, or any of that. Shinra may have lied to her on more than one occasion, and may be twisted and done a lot of twisted things, but in comparison to Shizaya, Shincelty is innocent as hell and to even try to compare Shizaya to ShinCelty is really looking bad on you. I don’t ship ShinCelty or Izakage because it’s a straight, I ship it because of the mutual understanding and appreciation I feel they have for one another.

I don’t see Shizaya as having potential in canon, Because Shizuo and Izaya bring out the worst in each other, they make each other’s lives worse(And Izaya literally wants Shizuo to become a monster, and can’t stand when he acts nice or like a human, unlike Shinra who would support Celty no matter what path she chose). Shizuo and Izaya want to avoid each other, especially in the novels, yet they keep picking fights and could NEVER get along. So comparing that level of toxicity to the level of toxicity of any of the mutual couples in Durarara is redundant. Hell, SHIZAYA MIGHT AS WELL BE DIOxJOJO FROM JBA BECAUSE IT’S JUST THAT BAD OF A HATRED. Though knowing you, you probably ship that.

Unlike you, I’m looking at logic. Hate is hate. That’s just a fact. Hate to that extreme doesn’t turn into love.

On top of that, while maybe Izaya was angry about the rejection, he wanted to use Shizuo. And their first interaction wasn’t even in the novels from what I recall, that was anime only. But Shizuo had heard about the kind of person Izaya was beforehand, and Izaya had heard about Shizuo as well. Izaya approached Shizuo with the intentions to manipulate him. And Shizuo doesn’t help anything throughout the series. He only makes everything worse. Again, I don’t like fighting over ships, but you’re the one who came onto MY post and started attacking me, putting my ship down, and spamming my inbox with biased propoganda about why Shizaya would work and why IzaKage wouldn’t. Quite frankly, I’m getting tired of this.Also, just because something is super popular doesn’t always make that great. A lot of people out there ship pedophilia (30 year olds with 12 year olds or younger) more than they ship the actual canon pairings of some of the anime out there, but that doesn’t make it okay.Anyway, I’m done arguing about this.(I realized too late you said it WASN’T that you thought it had no potential. I feel like an idiot now, but I’m not taking back a lot of the other things I’ve said.

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