#and then he deleted his comment so i can't even ignore it properly

[hello-nichya-here]

What are your views on the Azula fandom on Tumblr and on AO3? What are your views on the Zucest fandom on both sites? What do you think the biggest strengths of them are, along with their weaknesses? How do you think those fandoms could be improved?

Weaknesses

Because both fandoms often get treated unfairly (Azula is a pretty polarizing character from what I've seen, and Zucest is a taboo ship) some people thinks this means they have the right to "give the haters a taste of their own medicine" so to speak - and they often do it to people who had not mistreated them at all.

Some Azula fans blame Zuko for not having realized his sister was being abused by Ozai too and that their mother and uncle were neglecting her (and some of them seem to even be mad that he didn't essentially become her parent) - all of this despite Zuko also being a traumatized kid. Just like the bad Zuko fans have unfair expectations of Azula and offer her zero compassion, some Azula fans can do the same to Zuko. Others though, instead of going the "she did nothing wrong" route, go the "Stop making her weak by having her show emotion" because they prefer her as a villain and don't like that other fans want her to grow into something else.

As for the Zucest fandom, it can make the same mistakes as the fandoms of other ships: taking themselves far too seriously, turning one or both of them into a blank-slate they can project onto, blaming characters for "getting in the way" of their OTP and making content that demonizes said characters... ya know, the same old stupid shit.

Strengths

Both groups are very creative, have very interesting takes, and because trying to force the character(s) into being one specific thing is (usually) the goal the fanworks can go from totally wholesome to complete insanity, or be anywhere in between, which is great. And the majority of both groups seem to be pretty chill and don't put up with bullshit - no matter if it comes from "one of our own" or from an "outsider". Keeping that mentality is a good way to improve both fandoms, since it is what made them good in the first place.

The difference between Tumblr and AO3

It is much harder to find the bad apples on AO3, but not due to any difference in the communities - the websites are fundamentally different.

Tumblr is a site run by incompetent dumbasses that nuked over half of it's content because it had, and I quote, "female presenting nipples", but that doesn't do shit against the literal nazi blogs that harrass, dox, and threaten people. It's only natural that this place is full of entitled babies... though it still managed to be better than Twitter somehow.

AO3 on the other hand, was designed to protect it's users from bullshit. You can freeze threads, moderate and delete comments on your works, and you can report people for not properly tagging their shit, for posting illegal content (actually illegal content, not "offensive" or "problematic" content) and for harrassment- and actually have a competent staff that will hear you, look into it, and deal with it for you if you were telling the truth. That kind of site is basically hostile to the people who ruin fandoms for others. They can write whatever they want and not have their content taken down (it is an archive after all) but they won't get to do their favorite thing: be spoiled babies. That drives most of them away, and you can just ignore the ones who decide to stay since AO3 makes sure they can't interact with you if you don't want them to.

#asks #azula #zucest #ao3 #tumblr #shipcest

[eurazia]

1) Don't let the hate get to you. They act that way because deep down they're scared and insecure about their own beliefs, while we're enjoying our ship as if it's a given it'll happen. They can't stand our confidence, but can't win against us with arguments, so they resort to hate and name-calling. Our convictions and beliefs are strong and unshakable like Charioce himself. We've got facts on our side, we've got logic, we've got the support of the writers, we've got the official materials and

2) everything points at charinia, while they have nothing other than ‘oh but everything can happen, Nina can still end up with Azaz*l’. They’re mad, because they assumed on their own that Azaz*l was the main hero in VS, so of course he’d get the girl, but then they’ve been constantly proven wrong and people don’t like to be proven wrong. So they cling to their misconceptions and biases, because at this point it’d be humiliating to admit the other side may have been right all along, especially

3) when they consider us cocky and arrogant. So just ignore the hate. Block more toxic people for your own mental safety. Or just let them hate only to drink their tears when every single hope of theirs gets crushed by canon. We have done nothing wrong. We’re just super enthusiastic about our ship, and we have legitimate reasons to be, which is what they can’t stand the most. If they could bring us down in a civili discussion, they would, but the thing is, THEY CAN’T. We’re just too strong.

This, my friend, was needed. Luckly enough I chilled out pretty soon, but I’m glad I have now the chance to express what I feel about all this mess.

Which is, this is tiring. A lot.

I can’t really stand to go into the main tag and see multiple posts about the same topic all over again; we’re getting into a vicious circle of opinions that nobody actually wants to read because what really matter is we disagree with each other.

STOP. WE GET IT. WE DISAGREE. FINE. Let’s move on, pretty please?

I’ll follow your advice, I won’t let the hate get me, but it really sads me when I can’t go look for new s n b material to share, because there’s only bitching here and there.

Now. I can see the point of an az*//nin* shipper (actually only one by now lol but yeah) in which they feel bad to read about their own ship called delusional and such. I can see that. I’m not arguing about defending the ship, because if someone would do the same with my ship and someone did that, not gonna lie I would be upset too. You can delete the posts,but that still hurt. (The thing is tho, I haven’t seen this crude way to spit on ships they were talking about, so I wouldn’t be able to judge that by myself. Besides, this is my reaction based only on what I saw and read.)

That said, I’m here, not properly upset, just sad. Maybe it’s just me not being actually able to argue that well.So, for this time and for all, I’m gonna state something probably useless, that will just let me off steam and nothing else. Because, again, I’m tired of this sensless chaos.

Whatever you think, whoever hurt you, whichever is the reason, calling names is bad and childish. Just do not.No one here is denying anything. Charioce is a killer? Charioce is a tyrant? Charioce is evil, Charioce is soulless? FINE, YOU’RE RIGHT.

Satisfied much? I am. Do I like the man? Yes I do. Does it make you feel disgusted? I’m sorry to hear that, but that’s what it is and nothing else.I personally do not excuse him in any way and I think a lot of other charinina shippers do the same. (and this brings me to the next point)

Whenever there’s a post trying to explain - and not excuse, explain - Charioce’s behaviour in the most civil and placid way, it isn’t overflowed by unrelated comments of any kind. I wish there was more posts of this kind in the main tag. And also about different topics more plot related, but yeah

Last but not the least, two things I really have close to my heart (and here I’m gonna quote my previous tags):

1)Everyone. can. ship. the fuck. they want.Everyone. can. like. the fuck. they want.Az*z*l. and. charioce. are. at the same. level. No one of them is better than the other in the ethical way. Period.2)Karma is not justice. I repeat, karma is not justice. If Az is having his karma in s2, that’s not as he’s been forgiven for what he did. He still did what he did.So, why it’s okay to like him, but liking Charioce isn’t? What makes you think Az wouldn’t kill and slave humans back in s1? He killed Favaro and Kaisar’s fathers, and I believe he’s still not sorry for that (which is definitely as it should be, knowing his character and all. And on a side note, I like him for who he is! Really!)

**TL;DR**: There’s no meaning to all of this. Shit storming on Az or Char is nonsensical, seen that they pretty much resemble each other, and it’s the same with shit storming on ships. 

Idek how many times more I have to repeat myself, but letting things flow it’s the solution. Ever. And after this post I’ll probably do so. Black list, black list everything. Block who you should block, let this craziness cease.

**VERY IMPORTANT SIDE NOTE**: I’m intentionally not tagging this with the main tag. I don’t want to spread the nth discussion. I appreciated the anon, it helped me move on from my sadness that’s it. I’m not even try to be “the good one” here, because there’s no need for that. So. No more bulshitting and fighting from both sides, okay?

I completely understand we all (as the whole fandom) get defensive when we feel pushed or mistreated, but if we ourselves don’t want to stop this from the start, it will never end. 

Just… let’s think about it. And thank you for reading until now.

#ask #anon #and here i hope my chance to share my opinion will end