#and francine is NOT touching my gifs.

[kaypeace21]

‘Robin’ - is a codename, she’s Sarah Hopper, one of the numbers (Theory)

So I talked about why I believe Sarah was alive in a previous theory about a year ago,  here, but after reading the prequel novel, more evidence was brought to light. So for those who haven’t read it, I’ll simply copy (from that post) all the proof Sarah is alive first, and explain after why I believe Robin is her.

In s1, Hopper first describes Sarah by saying “Sarah, my daughter … the galaxies, the universe, what not, she always understood all that stuff.” Then, in s2, when Hopper is referencing blackholes, he says “Sarah had a picture book about it, she loved it.” But, if Sarah had powers like Will and El, her extreme interest in the “blackholes” (*the void) and “the universe” (* the upside down) would make much more sense, since it’d be her way of rationalizing what she may have been experiencing/seeing- and making her less afraid of them.

I also have to point out that other posts have mentioned the fact that after her ‘death’, Hopper grieves on a very similar looking set of stairs (that appear to be in  Hawkins lab). Is it possible someone tampered with the Hoppers’ memories or caused visual halucinations of her death-in order to kidnap her? Also the fact, that Hopper negotiates El’s freedom (gaining a daughter in the process) on a similar stair case (to where he lost his first daughter) could be more than simply symbolic.

When Terry goes to find Jane, we see her find Kali and a girl we are supposed to assume is El- but let’s be honest does this girl look anything like El? Or does she look more like Sarah?

Also, after Sarah’s ‘death’ Hopper states to Joyce “After Sarah, I saw her too and I heard her. I didn’t know what was real and then I figured it was all in my mind.”However in that same ep, Will literally uses all his strength and power to astral project and communicate with Joyce (to prove he was alive). El does something similar when trying to communicate with Mike, and Mike similarly confides in Will saying “Sometimes I feel like I still see her … sometimes I feel like I’m going crazy”.It’s very possible after Sarah’s kidnapping, and faked-death, she tried to contact her dad- but eventually gave up (which is honestly heartbreaking, if true).

However, I think the greatest evidence is in the symbolism, behind the fact that Will and El had stuffed lion-plushies while Sarah had a tiger doll.

As someone who wanted to be a writer, I can assure you this is most likely being used as foreshadowing or symbolism. So, I decided to look up mythology/symbolism based on these animals.

“Chinese guardian lions-are lion statues that are common guardians of villages (*Hawkins) and even private homes (*Castle Byers and El’s bed room).  These lions can be a sign of protection of an individual or family. These lions are always depicted in pairs consisting of a male and a female, the female representing yin and the male yang, When, there is too great an imbalance between Yin and Yang, catastrophes can occur.”

I mean, that sounds pretty on the nose, don’t you think? XD

So, for consistency’s sake I looked up Chinese mythology/culture relating to tigers. “The tiger is personified by the constellation Orion (interesting given her interest in space). The tiger represents protection over human life (hmm?). Tiger charms were used to keep away evil and disease (that’s awful ironic if she died in the manner she did). In Buddhism, wearing tiger skins during meditations was believed to bring protection from spiritual interference and potential harm while exploring astral dimensions (ok, now I’m just screaming, since this makes too much sense XD).”

------So now for the new evidence, well... I totally called it about the tigers XD. In the prequel novel ‘Suspicious minds’, Tigers are referenced in relation to Kali (11 times!). Just some examples

Kali: “I was named after a goddess. She wore a tiger skin and was fierce in battle.”

Then Kali says to Alice (a women who can see future visions): “I love you, Alice. We can be tigers.”

This parallel (in relation to Alice) is fascinating because Kali actually uses her powers to fake Alice’s death- and to trick Dr. Brenner, and allow Alice to escape. The allusion was so realistic, that Terry could even touch the ‘dead’ Alice. So after Dr. Brenner realizes he’s been tricked, it wouldn’t be surprising after learning Kali could do this- that he’d use this power again, to his advantage. And Just like Kali & Alice are tigers together, so are Kali & Sarah (indicated by Sarah’s stuffed animal) their fates are forever linked.

Evidence Sarah Hopper is ‘Robin’

Now , my theory is that  at the behest of Dr.Brenner she was tasked to follow El and Will ( and gather intel), and make sure the plan to take them to whatever lab he is now operating in, goes according to plan. And before you say, that’s ludicrous... Dr. Brenner has already used numbers to track and bring in those he suspects have powers.

Last week the first chapter of the number 6 comic came out. Here it was established that number 3 (was given a fake mom and ) was tasked at spying/observing Francine (to see if she had powers). She attracted Brenner’s attention, since before her parents won the lottery, they had only been off by one number, on multiple scratch off tickets . In the comic, He (number 3) actually believes he’s doing a good thing . Now you can call it stockhold syndrome, but both the prequel novel and the comic imply the other numbers (aka the ‘Indigo children’) are treated much differently than El & Kali (11 & 8). And this is because, 1-7, and 9-10 have much weaker powers.  The prequel novel states this to be the case “ Eight wasn’t allowed to know there were other children here. They were all ordinary so far. He worried they’d infect her...Child shows gifts that require isolation from those who might weaken her...”. The book also implied that torture and traumatic events can strengthen powers, and that it was utilized more so on them- why Kali tells El to tap into her anger when using her powers. The comic alludes to this as well, the other numbers get to interact with one another, have lunch and talk, and even the guards are nicer and less dehumanizing towards them. Although, It’s mostly a facade.

So what number 3 tells Francine (number 6), may be how Sarah/Robin is seeing this mission. “ It was about protecting you. You can hate me if you want... it doesn’t change the fact that this is the safest place for people like us. Can you honestly say you’d rather be at home right now? Because I’m sure as hell glad they got you out of there.” 

When Francine’s parents found out about her powers they became abusive when she couldn’t use them properly, and since both number 3 and 1 agree that this is the safest place- this is sadly probably a common occurrence for super-powered kids. So even though, Sarah didn’t have such an experience she probably has heard plenty of horror stories from the other numbers- and wants to protect these 2 kids.

So when she says this to Steve, it’s a joke- but she’s probably trying to subtly figure out if he’s also close to Dustin’s other friends (ie. Will & El)

- other evidence includes the fact that the new prequel novel ‘Stranger Things: Darkness on the Edge of Town’ confirms that Sarah’s birthday is on the 4th of July (the same time period s3 will take place in)! And I just find that really suspicious.

-Also, Sarah and Robin have similar facial features, and hair and eye colors. The comic even doubles down on the fact that El was supposedly blonde (yes, people’s hair color/texture can change... but it’s still suspicious). Robin’s wrists are also both covered- so she could easily hide her tattoo, and she’s referred to in her character bio as simply an “alternative girl.” And frankly, with such a huge ensemble cast it makes no sense just to add her , simply to be a love interest.

-The one flaw in this theory, is that in ‘Stranger Things: Darkness on the Edge of Town’ if we takes the dates accurately- Sarah would be about 15 (and Robin seems to be closer to Steve’s age). However, since the other prequel novel got El’s birthday wrong-it’s still a strong possibility. Even if Robin isn’t Sarah, she is alive and we will see her again- whether that is in s3 or s4 though... is yet to be determined.

* all the edited gif/pics aren’t mine- and are simply being used for visual evidence.

#stranger things theory #will byers #el hopper #kali prasad #stranger things robin

[chibisquirt]

hi, i am reading your Stars Fading fic and you may call me a joykiller for asking such non essential questions but I dont understand how Steve and Tony can touch each other with an afghan or a book or how Steve can sit and climb but when he tries to hold onto a stool, he passes through it? or why blankets are okay to touch but clothes are not substantial? sorry, i am just too deep in this fic :D

First things first:  *gif of the Kermit flail*  OH MY GOD I GOT A FIC ASK!!!  *transported*

Okay, next!

The thing about the ‘Scape is that it’s formed and shaped by the convictions of the people in it.  And not the “I believe the world is a fair place” type beliefs, either; more, “I believe that if I jump off a building I will fall” level of belief.  Now for the most part, for obvious reasons, these beliefs correspond to reality (as they would.)  In Steve’s case, though, his belief is wrong: he believes he’s dead.  He is allowed to continue in that belief because there’s no one and nothing which ever contradicts it that ever enters the ‘Scape.

(Until, of course, he wakes up, at which point he is de-ghostified in the ‘Scape, although he doesn’t realize that in the fic because he doesn’t get back into the ‘Scape in the fic.  He will though, and he’ll figure it out.)

Now, the rules of what he can and can’t touch have a few variations.  For one thing, they’re more of guidelines, anyway-- different people have different levels of what they think ghosts can do, ranging from “not exist” all the way through to “possess people’s bodies”.  “Pass through some objects but affect others” is the most broadly accepted set of abilities for ghosts, so those are the things Steve can do.  

It does vary-- Tony manages to coax him onto a futon, he can sit on tables as if they were chairs, etc.  Once he starts seeing the pattern, he also starts believing the pattern, so exceptions to the “rule” get fewer and fewer.  

The clothes and blankets are a little different, but basically in the same ballpark:  “clothes” are part of Steve, and so they behave like Steve; blankets are “part of” the environment, and behave like the environment.  Have you gotten to the gloves tests yet?  That was basically put in as a demonstration of this principle.  (That, and because I couldn’t see Tony *not* trying to figure this one out!)

TL, DR:  Steve is a ghost because he thinks he’s a ghost!  

There are a couple hints in there about that, too, by the way.  He’s able to touch Francine, early on, implying that his impermeability was... impermanent.  (Sorry.)  At one point he finds himself back in the library despite wanting to be in the manor, implying that he does have something like a sleep cycle.  (In this case, it was a thaw cycle, but he can be forgiven for not knowing that.)  And of course, he starts getting cold a couple hours before waking up, implying some sensitivity to the outside world.  

I think one of my favorite bits was actually done by Tony, although I don’t actually remember whether this made it into the final draft.  The computers in the dream-library don’t actually work until Tony hits them, because Tony’s the only one who deep-down KNOWS how the internet works!  So Winnie’s very confused when she sees Steve and Tony going over to them.  XD

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