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#also sorry for the r*ylo hand touch...
mandaloriangf · 4 years
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you know what fuck it alternate last jedi scenes
not fully thought out but roll with me
were introduced to luke as rey tries to give him back the lightsaber. his face is full of sadness and there is an air of palpable loss. he pushes it back into her hand, closing her fingers overtop of it. they have some dialogue, where she pleads to be trained and he declines, referencing the loss he experienced the last time he taught force users. she pleads again, trying to emphasize the necessity and drastic situation witu the force order. luke doesnt answer and instead asks her how she found him. rey responds that a few droids, and commander organa helped her. luke visibly perks up at the mention of organa, and quietly asks "...Leia?". Rey nods and replies "She misses you. R2, and Threepio too." Luke sits down, and motions for rey to join him, and she does. Luke stares out over the sea towards the horizon. Almost wistfully, he begins to speak. "We trained together, once. Leia and I. She took to it like a fish to water. We had to stop, though. Force training.... It takes time. Time she didnt have. The galaxy needed her, still needs her. Theres always a place for women like her, strong, devoted, determined, focused. Always somethin that needs doin, needs fixin." He pauses for a moment, staring off into the sea. "...Theres no place for people like me anymore. Not out there. Im a relic of the past, just like the temple here. Past its time..." He looks over to Rey. "The battle youre facing, it wont be easy. Whenever shadow falls over the galaxy, it spreads. Fast. And it doesnt let go without a fight. You, Leia, your friends... I hope you're prepared for a war, because thats what theyll give you. And.... I can't send you into somethin like that unprepared. Couldn't call myself a Jedi otherwise, not that theres anyone left to care. I'll train you, as best i can, make sure you have a fighting chance." As he says this, Rey grins widely, and excitedly goes to hand him the lightsaber, but his face becomes stern. "Only in the force though. No lightsaber training." Rey goes to protest, that she has to know how to fight the first order, but luke repeats himself. "No. Thats my one condition. I'll train you, for Leia, and for the light, but I wont train you with the saber, not now and not ever." His expression is one that brokers no arguments. Looking dissapointed, Rey agrees to his terms, and Luke lightens up, and now you can see some of the luke of the original trilogy luke in him. Rey gets her own room, and Luke trains her in the ways of the force. She has noticeable strong points and weak spots. Shes a natural at aspects of using the force on people. She excels at using the forces connections to people, to persuade like in the interrogation room, but luke shows her other aspects of it as well. It is revealed that during her fight with kylo in tfa, she unconsciously tapped into this ability and used the force to bolster herself, to sharpen her senses and reflexes, and to use the force to predict kylos attacks, and that it was triggered by her worry for finn. Luke further explains that through the force all things are connected, and noticing her natural inclination towards force connections, encourages her to try and see if she can use the force to see someone. luke explains that its easier with people you feel a strong bond and connection to, and as rey meditates, we see the screen pan to finn, before hes awoken from his coma. Rey frowns, and murmurs to him "I promise I'll make this right for you, Finn" and, as if in response, we see Finn stir slightly, but doesnt awaken. She then visits chewie, who is working on the milleniun falcon with poe, and then to Leia, who senses Rey and smiles towards her, knowing that shes found luke and that theyre both okay. Afterwards, Luke explains that most of the study of the force focused on its ability for combat, and that reys talents could have uses even he might not know of, foreshadowing the use of the force to heal in TROS (rn im leaning towards force healing and force inspiration being finns primary talents, and finn healing poe).
Sometime during the night after training with luke, rey has another dream, similar to the one when she held anakins lightsaber. We hear a familiar voice repeat "Rey... these are the first steps..." as the camera pans through the island towards a secluded location. Another night, rey decides to find it, and follows the path in her vision, until she finds someone in a cloak. As she approaches, the figure turns towards her, and pulls down the hood, revealing ewan macgregor!obi wan, in the outfit he wore as ben on tattoinne. they have some small talk, and obi wan says that while he understands lukes reasoning, its important for rey to know how to wield her saber. rey asks what he means, because luke wont tell her. obi wan recounts the betrayal of ben solo and how he became kylo ren. rey asks how he knows luke, and obi wan replies that he was the last of the jedi, and that he trained luke as he trains rey now. rey notices his use of past tense, and how that would make him even older than luke now, and yet he doesnt look it. obi wan replies that the universe is out of balance, and that those that have passed may return through the force, if there is a need for it. From then on, as luke trains rey in the force, obi wan trains her to use a light saber at night. During the montage we notice that while rey starts off strong, she eventually starts to struggle with the saber, and gets frustrated. Obi Wan explains that the wielder and the saber must be as one, and that the saber chooses the wielder. In confusion, rey asks "Didnt it choose me?" referencing her vision in tfa. Obi Wan explains that the saber is old, and that it was calling out for someone, and that rey heard it, but its true wielder is someone else. Obi Wan then explains that to continue her training, she must forge her own light saber, and explains what that entails. Rey seems excited at the prospect, and her background as a scrapper is put to use. She makes the handle with ease, using bits and pieces of scrap around the island, and seems pleased with the result. The handle is inelegant, but not ugly, and while cobbled together from various pieces, there is a kind of unity to them. It more closely resembles reys staff. The final piece is kyber crystal, retrieved from within the jedi temple. While Rey journeys through it with Obi Wan, they talk, and Rey comments on how familiar obi wan is, despite never having met him before. Obi Wan smiles sadly and remarks that she reminds him of someone as well. Long ago, the jedi werent hunted down, and he had to flee into hiding after losing everything dear to him. He tried to settle down into a normal life, and met someone and started a family, but their child was force sensitive, and drew the attention of the empire. His family was split apart as they fled, and he never saw them again. Luke, to him, reminded him of the family he never got to have, and now he is reminded once again...
I have no idea how to continue from here, but heres some key points
-Rey Kenobi babeyyyyyy that was always my fave theory. Obi Wan never got to raise his children, and they lived their life unaware of their force sensitivity. They eventually had rey, but her own force sensitivity drew the attention of the first order. They left her on jakku to keep her safe, intending to return, but the first order killed them before they could
-FINN SKYWALKER anakins lightsaber chose him, but because of age and neglect, could only weakly call out. Rey was the first force sensitive who touched it, sparking it to life. After finn used it in tfa, it yearns to go back to him, and fulfill its destiny of restoring balance. Both finn and the lightsaber cast off their dark past to restore balance and justice to the galaxy
-Some nice scenes with obi wan and luke, and some with leia and luke. its a damned shame they didnt interact more in the sequel trilogy.
-Snoke abuses reys force connection ability, as that is also his talent, and uses kylo to block and antagonize rey
-Most of reys training is interspersed throughout the movie as the pov changes between her, finn, and poe
-lots of references to the last jedi so the audience thinks it could mean different things, until the end of tlj, where finn finds out hes force sensitive and the heir to the skywalker legacy and lightsaber, and that its him who is the last true jedi
-i didnt watch tlj or tros so i have no idea what happened in those movies to reference those plot points here, sorry (unu)
-TLJ is interspered with scenes of kylo bein a nazi fuck and plot build up for him and snoke being the anatagonists of tros
-disney pay me for the emotional damages i suffered from knowing r#ylo happened
OMG i really really really like your way of explaining that the lightsaber actually calls to finn
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Ngl, I actually shipped Rey and Kylo since TLJ, and while a lot of TROS was far from perfect, I LOVED the kiss, if only for the acting like you said. (Hero/Villain is honestly just My Type lol, it happened with Zuko and Katara and it happened with these two.) You can answer privately btw if you don't want this on your blog.
me earlier: i will never blog about tros again, applaud me.
me now, still feral and full of feelings: actually…
stop here if you don’t wanna see my scorching takes and some spoilers. (they are tepid, actually. and lbr, can i spoil what everyone saw coming?)
i don’t mind answering this on my blog, because i feel like i’ve maybe done a bad job of expressing myself re: r*ylo. i’ll probably do a bad job again, but let me try to work my feelings out for a second. (thank you for indulging me, dear.)
i’m not really… anti-it? people who enjoy a bad boy redemption narrative are valid! i’m no stranger to falling for the villain. however, i’ll be the first to admit i didn’t love tlj or tros, because i keenly felt the missed potential there. none of my problems are with adam or daisy or even j.j. or rian, really. it’s with the management of the trilogy as a whole.
i wish that, if a heterosexual “wow, we’re the chosen ones” romance had to be done (and i understand why people think it did have to be done, because star wars films have basically always been about the skywalker family and also, one does not simply cast a massive 6′2″ former-marine with weirdly fascinating bone structure to be in your film if you intend to just… ignore him), it could’ve been done in a more intentional, thoughtful way. i wish his redemption arc had involved some level of reparation or accountability, rather than a grand “still mostly a fascist, but i love rey and have daddy issues” gesture forced into being by bad planning. ((speaking of that, i wish anakin had showed up instead of han. force ghost anakin has some SPLAININ’ TO DO. you know hayden would’ve been up for it. zaddy skywalker, come back to us!!!!))
i also wish their relationship hadn’t come at the expense of other engaging relationships, like finnpoe or frankly, finnanyonebutrey. i wish they hadn’t shoved poe into a weird last minute flirtation with a side-character nobody knows or cares about. but i digress. i feel like a lot of stuff got ignored in favor of redeeming ben at all costs. which makes sense; they did it out of necessity. i just don’t like it, and it could’ve been avoided with better planning and overall management.
god, you didn’t ask about any of this. i’m basically just venting my random opinions. sorry.
my point is that i don’t have any aesthetic problems with their kiss? i think daisy and adam have some solid chemistry, despite literally every bone in my body wondering how the hell that’s possible. they carried tlj on their backs and it shows in this one; they’re like war buddies or something at this point, just glad to have survived in one piece. and i liked seeing ben smile, because i’m a sap who happens to remember liking adam driver back on hbo’s girls. i liked seeing rey waking up in his arms and being so fucking baffled that he would do this for her, because she’s still adjusting to having a family and people who love her. while i was too busy trying to hold back my unearthly groans of shock from the hand touch to really absorb the mechanics of the kiss, i’m sure it was a pretty good one. they’re good actors, and they’re pretty. i will never complain about pretty people mushing faces. i have no complaints on that front.
i just wish the story had actually facilitated them getting there in a way that utilized better storytelling. idk. i’m gonna shut up now, you asked for exactly NONE of this. thank you for your patience, lol.
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solohux · 5 years
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If youre still taking prompts can I put in for some jealous Hux about how Kylo was with Rey - doesn't have to actually be both sided Kylux, maybe just one sided from Hux but he's jealous and feels like shit cauwe after everything he's still replaceable
I may have deviated slightly from what you asked for, I’m sorry! But hopefully you still like it! (also, no r*ylo! hux is just jealous)
Hux would refuse to admit it out loud but he’s truly missed Kylo’s kisses. His lips are so smooth, soft like silk against his own, movingwith a gentle rhythm as though nothing has happened between them over the pastmonth, as though they haven’t stopped being lovers.
“Forgive me,” Kylo is saying between the kisses, his hands locked on Hux’s slim waist. His lips move down to kiss along the General’s jawline, trailing along to a sensitive patch on his neck, and Hux feels like crying because Kylo remembers where he likes to be kissed. “I need you, Tidge.”
Hux’s heart quivers at hearing his nickname in Kylo’s deep and honeyed voice. It’s a passionate moment, it’s the happiest Hux has felt since Crait. It’s as though his Kylo is back; not the bitter, cold-hearted man that has been lashing out at every opportunity but the soft,warm and protective partner that Hux would give his everything to. At last, things seem to be looking up.
But Kylo stops suddenly, pulling away and tugging his hands away from Hux’s hips as though he’s been burned, even pushing Hux away from him a little bit. Stumbling, Hux frowns, a chill running down his spine as hestares at Kylo, taking in his partner’s seeminglydefensive stance.
“Ren?” Hux says, reaching out but finds his hand being swatted away.
“Rey,” Kylo says, standing tall and proud, looking off into the middle-distance behind Hux, ignoring him as though he’s no longer there.
Hux opens his mouth but closes it again before the words come, realisation dawning on him like a tonne of bricks. The scavenger, the last Jedi, the one with a bond to Kylo’s mind.
The one who pushed Hux out of Kylo’s heart and made herself a home.
“The Resistance will fail,” Kylo is saying, eyes alight with anger. “I’ll slaughter them all.”
“Ignore her, Ren,” Hux says but it falls on deaf ears. "She's trying to manipulate you. Come back to me."
“I know you think so but you’re wrong, Jedi. I can feel your conflict. You’ll fall, you’ll join mebefore the war is over.”
‘Join me?’ Hux’s mind reels, eyebrows furring together in bewilderment as he watches Kylo’s eyes soften, his hand extent out past Hux, almost knocking him out of the way again. Hux turns, scowling at the spot where Kylo’s gaze is locked, staring with such venom that he hopes the scavenger can feel his hatred seeping through their oh-so precious bond?
“Ren, you don’t need her anymore,” Hux says, turning back to face Kylo, putting himself between the Supreme Leader and the empty spot in front of him, hoping that he’ll block their view from each other. “You have me. I’ll give you everything I have, I’ll swear my undying loyalty to you and your rule if you’ll only look at me.”
Hux stares into Kylo’s eyes, letting his hand mirror Kylo’s and reach out to touch him but recoils, afraid of the reaction. The irises ofKylo’s eyes look golden, shimmering in the bright light of the bedchamber, but their softness isn’t meant for Hux. Kylo’s stare wavers for a moment and he blinks but he doesn’t break his gaze, still offering his hand to Rey.
“Kylo?” Hux’s voice cracks. His hand finds its way onto Kylo’s cheek in one last desperate attempt to salvage their love. “Look at me. Please.”
But Kylo doesn’t, staring ahead as though in a trance.
“Fine,” Hux snaps, tearing his hand from Kylo’s face, taking a step back from him but stayingbetween them, hoping the filthy Jedi can hear him. “Tell her how much you love her, Ren. Tell her how strong she makes you feel. Tell her how she’ll find galaxies in your eyes and constellations on your skin, because that’s what I wanted to tell you months ago. I hope you’ll be very fucking happy with her, Kylo. Or, should I say, Ben.”
As much as Hux has been fighting back the tears, he can fight no longer when he forces himself to step away from Kylo and out of hischambers without looking back, feeling hollow inside as though he’s left a piece of himself in Kylo’s room, a piece that’s likely going to be kicked aside to make room for Rey. He doesn’t stop until he’s across the other side of theship and inside his own office, locked door behind him and he finally allows his knees to give way and Hux sinks down to the floor, crying for his lost lover, his lost Knight; his beautiful and chaotic Kylo Ren.
But back inside Kylo’s chambers, the lights flicker as Kylo comes back to himself, being freed from Rey’s hold over him as their bondweakens.
“Break it!” She shouts at him, drenched in the pouring rain from the planet she’s hiding on. Teeth gritted like a furious animal, she stamps her foot on the ground. “I don’t want to be connected to you anymore, monster. I can’t break it on my own, you just went comatose. It needs us both. Break this bond, now! I'll never join you, you manipulative monster!"
Kylo blinks hard, subconsciously reaching up to his own cheek and tapping it as though something is meant to be there but isn’t. Something inside his mind is hurting and it isn’t his Force bond with the scavenger.
“Hux?” He calls out, turning around, ignoring Rey’s shouts for him to come back and do something but Kylo skids into the main chamber, finding it empty too, but Hux was here just a moment ago, wasn’t he? Kylo was kissing him, asking for forgiveness, wanting tomend things with Hux because he’s theone that Kylo needs by his side but—
It comes back to him then, rushing all at once into his mind. Hux had asked Kylo to look at him and Kylo hadn’t; he’d looked straight through him, frozen in place as his mind tries to struggle against the damage that Rey was trying to cause. But the echo of Hux’s jealousy is still potent in the air, hanging around like a sharp reminder of the past few moments and Kylo feels it stinging his mind.
Hux is gone, and he’s taken a piece of Kylo’s empty heart with him.
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janiedean · 6 years
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I never thought I'd be this person but I legit said"what hetero nonsense is this" when Rose said love and kissed Finn lol
okay anon this is not against you and I know you didn’t mean this seriously and I know this reply might be overreacting, and you probably didn’t see that I previously posted about hating how this fandom (especially *my* subfandom technically) is reacting to finnrose so you probably didn’t know, but: no.
specifically:
it wasn’t random nor nonsense. she had a fangirl crush on him, she got to know him better and she liked him and she thought she was about to bloody die. if I was in her place I also would kiss the guy I like if anything to know I’ve done it.
on the other side, he needed to talk to someone he didn’t know already and to show him a different side of things and who made him realize that the resistance was more than single people he might have cared for or not going against the big bad evil, which was what made him finally stop running. he didn’t kiss her back but it’s nice that he gets it from someone who likes him genuinely, especially coming after a life of dehumanization.
so it wasn’t nonsense, it was a plot decision you can like or not but saying it was out of left field or made no sense or was nonsensical is not a thing I can agree with because imo it was very well-developed and like in a life or death situation I would probably try to kiss the guy I liked, and rose liking finn was already introduced from the moment she showed up and then she just got to like him as the person he was rather than the supposed *legend* or whatever, which... is... nice. it’s normal. it happens. why the hell should it be nonsensical?
ah, because it was heteronormative and apparently if het ships happen it’s bad because they’re heterosexual, which is like, typical tumblr drivel and sorry but nah.
(now, before I go into it: if it had been rey kissing finn, would people be crying about heteronormative nonsense? idk. just a thought. and guess what, for me finn/rey is like, the most platonic shit in existence and I can’t see the two of them kissing romantically and it making any sense so we all see it differently, but if it had happened I’d have shrugged and moved on with my life. anyway.)
listen, guys, let’s be freaking real, as much as tumblr likes to think the contrary, straight/heterosexual people make up 90% of the demographic. heteronormativity is normativity because nine people on ten are straight. the problem is when heteronormativity is seen as the only default. the point is that if you want to counteract that you have to push to normalize relationships that are not heteronormative and make sure they’re seen as a valid alternative to the norm, but you can’t honestly go and say that heteronormativity is in itself statistically wrong because it’s not, nor that it’s in itself inherently wrong because then you pass the message that if you’re straight you’re *wrong* and honestly from a website where the message that people think they’re passing is that *you aren’t -wrong- for your sexuality I’m really tired to see that it’s valid for everything except straight people. because it’s really fun to go online and wade through posts on posts of people joking about how if you’re straight you’re Bad, you have no tastes, you’re not a good lay if you’re a man and should date women anyway if you’re a woman and everything bad in the world is the fault of you horrible straight person and ah, wait, being straight is also boring and who would choose to be straight -
except that you don’t choose your sexuality. no, I didn’t choose mine either. (yes, I’m straight if it wasn’t clear, and I’m getting progressively pissed off at this attitude. actually I’ve gone past the point of pissed off, but never mind that.
so like, now apparently if a heterosexual ship happens it’s all because they wanted to cater to the straight crowd and it’s all nonsense just because it’s a man and a woman locking lips!
and like, fuck, no. this idea that finnrose is inherently nonsense because it’s *heteronormative* and they pushed finn on a WOMAN THAT’S NOT REY is.... sorry, I know you didn’t mean it like that and I don’t wanna sound like an asshole, but if you say that rey would have been cool and rose isn’t then WHY, I mean isn’t rose okay enough? good enough? I mean I’ve read some stuff on *my ship’s* tag which was reeking racism because rose was apparently a downgrade and rey was the only option they could accept *if finn had to be with a woman* and honestly, no?? that’s... like... no??? I find it really rich coming from people who ship... a pairing.... made of nonwhite people.... at least for US standards (yeah I ship finn/poe mainly and this movie has made me block half of the tag for the finnrose vitriol IMAGINE HOW NICE). and IT ONLY HAPPENED SO THEY COULD CANCEL THE GAY COUPLE is like... a) it wasn’t gonna happen in the MIDDLE movie anyway esp. a franchise that gets distributed in countries where the gay couple would mean a ban/the movie not getting released (like, we do remember the beauty and the beat wank over damned lefou for what, ten seconds of him dancing with a dude??), b) means that finn’s sl would have had any worth just if he and poe made out (and same for poe) which basically means reducing their storylines to them making out? like, that’s... really.... sad? they only have worth as characters if they make out? sorry, I can’t really rally behind that. I care about them as characters and I loved their sl this movie and if they don’t kiss WHATEVER, 99% of the m/m couples I shipped in my life stayed not canon and it never changed my life, even if they were in relationships with women. that’s why fanfic exists. maybe next movie we’re getting it (because anyway rose kissed finn, he didn’t kiss back or anything so it can go there or it can’t and whichever way it goes I’m okay with it) maybe we’re not, but saying that their existence is useless if they don’t kiss or bang or aren’t *gay* just reeks of tokenism to me and the fact that finnrose is being described as heteronormative bullshit made to appease the r/eylo people or to deny people finn/poe is really not a thing I can rally behind either.
like, again, there’s nothing NONSENSE behind it and the fact that you attached heteronormative to it again means that the problem with it is that it’s an heterosexual ship and given that it had all reasons for existing and that, again, I’m really fucking tired of every straight relationship in new media getting thrown at the wolves just because it’s straight and being straight on tumblr is Very Bad TM so... sorry. it’s not. and like, if according to you it was just *nonsense* fine, you didn’t like it, legit, but heteronormative nonsense? really? can we just.... not... frame it as if anything heteronormative or heterosexual or straight is The Worst especially since on top of that finnrose is actually pretty progressive as a thing? I mean, when was the last time you saw a main black lead in an immensely popular scifi franchise that everyone and their kids watch in a relationship with an asian woman? never. like, it’s progressive, too, not the same way finn/poe is but progressive nonetheless, so... like... can’t we just let this goddamned ship live and be the cute thing it was without splitting hairs?
because sorry but again the fact that the main objections I’ve seen were a) IT’S STRAIGHT AND NOT GAY, b) he’s kissing rose and not rey IF WE HAD TO HAVE A STRAIGHT SHIP, c) IT’S PROREYLO AND ANTISTORMPILOT which.... uuughhh. like, can’t y’all take things the way they are? (nvm that I could rant for three hours about how r*ylo was like, written to happen and the fact that people don’t want to recognize that a villain has a personality is another entire problem but never mind.) it’s a cute ship. it happens to be straight. it’s also fairly progressive in itself. it was put on a good (imo) storyline which made sense and everything poor rose did was kissing the dude she liked after saving his life and thinking she was about to die. lay off her, pls?
last thing: since - we all guessed it by now - I happen to be straight can... y’all... please... not send me asks about how shitty heteronormative ships are and the likes? I mean, I know it’s a problem in a lot of cases and I’m more than willing to call it out if it’s obviously done maliciously but this wasn’t the case and I’m honestly tired of this STRAIGHTS ARE TERRIBLE drivel and HETERONORMATIVITY IS INHERENTLY BAD drivel and so on. especially when it’s about a thing I don’t actively ship but liked (finnrose) and then I have to go into my ship’s tag (f/p) and see it trashed to hell and back and read posts over posts about how they fucked up f/p for THE STRAIGHTS when I’d be the first person to offer the entire cinema a beer if it actually was canon. like, I’d be overjoyed if it was. but not at the cost of being assholes to other people who ship other things or at the cost of trashing on this movie for things that don’t exist or deny both of those two’s character arcs because at the end of it THEY AREN’T GAY. (as if they couldn’t be bi or pan, but of course anything that implies that someone could be in a rship with someone of the different sex is okay just as long as the relationship isn’t with someone of a different sex. like. please guys. no.)
last thing: don’t take this rant personally anon I’m sure you meant well, but you just touched on a thing that is really irking me lately and my hand slipped. I’m really meaning no ill will I’m just really tired of this HORRIBLE HETERONORMATIVE complaints thrown around like candy because of course everyone has feelings and shouldn’t be insulted except straight people because they are the majority so they can go die in a fire as far as tumblr cares. peace.
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sparklesthefatcat · 6 years
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more coherent tlj thoughts (spoiler-filled):
the a-plot (jedi, rey, luke, kylo stuff) was great, really well acted, decently well paced, had good payoff
the yoda moment was fantastic until he got to the line where he literally said “the point of mentors is to have our students outgrow us” which like???? yoda would never be that straightforward and explicit with his point????? ugh took me completely out of the moment smh
that being said, holy shit the shot of the lightening! kill me!
the kylo rey mind connection was cool & well done! the back to back lightsaber fight was so cool!!! i think kylo is gonna make a great villain for the last movie
r*ylo is still #fake though like......damn romantic reylo is the worst can we stop doin the thing where a woman has to rescue a ~dark and evil~ man from the darkness. it’s boring and lazy and i’m tired of it
rey has love and support from her friends in the rebellion, she shouldn’t have to do the work of saving kylo lmao
platonic kylo & rey friendship though??? good shit!
also rey is a lesbian sorry i don’t write the rules
okay but also this arc had 2 separate climaxes (snoke fight & luke fight) and they were both great climaxes but also it was exhausting they should have saved one for a different movie/paced the movie better
the final kylo luke fight was great but i don’t understand why they had the “luke is on the island and is actually safe!” fakeout if they were.... just gonna have him become a force ghost. like...... consider: luke gets blasted to smithereens and that’s how he dies but plot twist now he’s a force ghost. isn’t that a much more cohesive plotline that is still surprising without having 3 different misdirects for the sake of being ~new~ and ~surprising~ 
the b-plot (rose & finn & poe & the rebellion) was a mess!!! oh my god it was so bad and unimportant and fucking stupid and just insulting to my intelligence! my kids deserve better! also all the POC were in this plotline..... @ rian i’m watching u
holy shit where to even start
finn! was so shafted in this movie! like what the ufck! he had nothing relevant to do, literally no character development, his plotline amounted to nothing! barely any meaningful screentime
god just.... what a waste. treat finn like the main character he is @rian!!! i don’t give a fuck about kylo ren! 
poe’s arc had like promise? his relationship with leia was killing me i loved it so much
but also it was so stupid. that whole conflict was so stupid. we could have solved the whole thing if laura dern had just been like “okay here is the plan i’ll be transparent” and poe would be like “ah good and reasonable plan” and everything would be fine
literally so nonsensical and stupid
also? if poe hadn’t sent finn & rose on their mission, the rebel ships escaping to that planet @ the end wouldn’t have been destroyed? b/c like the only reason the empire knows about those is b/c of benecio del toro’s character, and the only reason benecio del toro’s character knows about that/is on that ship is because of poe’s plan......
i don’t even think rian realized this? like i don’t think he realized he wrote such a Bad Plot for these characters
it was so bad though
rose is beautiful!!! and lovely and amazing!
too bad she was also stuck in this shitty plot! 
that line she had @ the end “it’s about saving people we love” was really beautiful in its meaning, but also sooooo fucking explicit like okay movie go ahead and tell me the moral of the story this is great filmmaking
the movie did that a lot actually— insert lines that were the moral in a very not subtle way
oh god the more i think about this plot the angrier i get
there were so many good ideas here:
‘hope!’
‘saving people we love!’
‘tired of people dying!’
that never get explored fully? like someone just says them but there’s no? cohesiveness? the moment never feels earned/never pays off? 
the hyperspace attack thing though was so fucking cool
so cool
luke’s goodbye to leia made me cry so much. that was a beautiful and touching moment. i miss carrie fischer a lot. 
overall though, the movie felt way too packed but also nothing actually happened
there were no moments to just sit & let things sink in
we hardly saw anyone mourn han aside from rey
rose & finn never sit down and have a real conversation? 
leia & poe never sit down and have a real conversation?
luke & rey never train? or develop a real relationship??
idk man for 90% of the empire strikes back, luke is stuck in a swamp banging his head against a force wall. he barely does anything in that movie, but we all agree its the best one because the ending has so much payoff. we spend the whole movie just sitting with this character so when they make a choice, it feels big and important
the last jedi just rushes from plot point to plot point with hardly any time to breathe, no time to really meet these characters & learn more about them. it really really leans on the hard work abrams did in tfa to get us to like the characters
tfa > tlj, hands down
i feel cheated, i wanted significant things to happen in this movie, i wanted momentum to build and the story to grow. it didn’t, like...at all.
smh why is this getting such good reviews?
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so i watched tlj
i’m just gonna ramble in long bullet points bc aint no way i’m forming coherent thoughts right now. spoilers ahead, duh. 
one of my fav parts about the experience was how the movie theater was packed full of people just as crazy and excited about this as me & alex. we literally either held hands or hugged tight during the entire movie bc i don’t think we’d survive otherwise lmao. get you a friend who’s not afraid to show support through physical contact. also it was 8 pm so there weren’t that many kids. people clapped several times and when kylo & rey blew up luke’s lightsaber someone yelled “FUCK” super loudly and everyone else agreed
speaking about kylo and rey.....yeah lucasfilm....this is what we’re not gonna do. it scares me SO. MUCH. that even as an avid anti r*ylo i couldn’t help seeing it, and i’m TERRIFIED of ep 9 for that exact reason. the hand touching was disgusting. like all these moments would’ve been absolutely precious if only there was a way to see them as purely platonic, but after these two long years there sadly is not. i really wanted them to work together as PLATONIC PARTNERS and possibly later FRIENDS but i guess not. :( also i hated her parentage so much? like i hope he was just lying to her bc they HAVE to be related. i refuse to believe they aren’t. and if they aren’t, rey better be obi wan’s or qui gonn’s or pure force spawn or some shit, foh with that scavenger bullshit. 
speaking of kylo! these segways are really working out great so far. yeah my boy dumb as shit. like every time i think he can’t possibly do anything stupider he goes and fuckin does it. i guess that’s what the mix of skywalker tomfoolery, solo stupidity and the fact that a powerful dark entity has been fucking your head up since your early childhood does to you, but i honestly can’t with him jesus. supreme leader??? deceiving & YELLING at rey? really kyle??? go to your fucking room boy you got some serious nerve behaving like this after seemingly making all that progress. at least he looked amazing (that cloak moment at the end? come thru!) and i loved that he wasn’t wearing his mask and cloak most of the movie. i love his resting sad puppy face and his gorgeous fridge body. don’t come for me
we talked about kylo so naturally it’s time to talk about hux. can we please take a moment to thank the writers for making fanon hux canon in the best possible way? and in the first five fucking minutes of the movie, too? i was so happy i couldn’t believe my eyes OR ears. seriously, it almost feels as if they went through all of our best fics and fanarts ( @kyleauxwren ‘s ICONIC wine mom hux comes to mind) and decided to just give the gays what they want, and it was a. ma. zing. and what a wonderful surprise it was bc they didn’t give him even a second in the trailer but in the movie we got T O N S of perfectly written, sassy, undereye circles, fed up with all this shit hux. i’m in love. would’ve preferred him slightly more rugged, with some stubble and possibly sipping from a flask, but that’s just me getting cocky. 
you already know. i fucken hate kylux. we didn’t get as much direct face-to-face communication and sadly no catchphrase to top “careful, ren”, but i thoroughly enjoyed the little moments in which they (mostly hux) tried to cooperate? like ngl it was mostly hux trying to make the best out of the situation he’d find himself in and negotiate with kyle and then kyle would just lash out and start banging him around and tbh i felt kinda sorry for him, but i guess that’s life when your boyfriend is an unhinged nearly all-powerful manchild. part of me still hopes kylo calms down at least a little bit and starts appreciating/respecting hux for putting up with so much of his shit (again.......supreme leader is dead long live the supreme leader???? the only thing you are is supreme idiot you stinky) lmao. but that’s irrelevant to the actual canon so imma stop. i gotta point out though, the choking scene does look like a hardcore kylucc shipper wrote it..........i immediately remembered those gifs from crash pad you know which ones.........
luke. can’t say i’m overly surprised/saddened by his death bc it was built up thoroughly and what rey said describes it quite nicely, but i was extemely shocked to find out the whole ben incident. i truly didn’t think luke was capable of that under any circumstances, the dark side or snoke or whatever must’ve gotten to him in that moment. and this knowledge makes me even more uncomfortably sympathetic to kylo, call me a dirty apologist (even though i don’t CONDONE his actions, i just understand his motives and wish for him to get better), see if i care. i do feel incredibly sorry that luke didn’t find it in him to forgive himself and lived with that horrible thought for so long, but idk man, as it’s already been said it’s not like leia wasn’t even more affected? idk how i feel about the whole exile thing. probably same as with everything kylo does - i kind of understand where he’s coming from but it’s not the right thing to do. 
leia. tbh i feel incredibly sad for the entire resistance and i can’t even imagine how one would feel in her place. carrie was brilliant as always, and although i didn’t cry my eyes out every time she came on screen, i felt it in my heart. the scene in the beginning got me hard and i’d really thought we’d lost her, which would’ve been kinda....not really approppriate imo, but then we got to see her use the force, and to which extent! it was a scene we waited for for years and it did not disappoint. her mom moments with poe were also extremely cute. i was kinda bummed out when she didn’t go out to talk with kylo. i wonder why she didn’t, did she really give up on him completely in that moment? i wonder how they’re gonna do ep9 without carrie :(
poe. and finn. and rose. i enjoyed all their scenes immensely but the big hoof kitty chase on that casino planet and finn’s face off with phasma are definitely highlights. poe just kept being poe throughout the movie which is always a raging success in itself but as i said, i enjoyed his mother-son moments with leia so much i was almost moved to tears. not quite, but almost.  finn looking for rey as soon as he woke up was amazing, of course. as well as his interactions with rose. i’ve heard people say finnrey is dead bc of that lil kiss but i honestly don’t see it? i didn’t see any romantic interest from finn, the only way i interpret this as is rose having an innocent crush on a hero and deciding to take her chance before she thought she would’ve died. about that, too, i love my son with my entire heart but what was he thinking flying directly into that thing :( please don’t ever do that again oh my god. 
overall, i liked the movie, even though it left me with some EXTREMELY mixed feelings and shattered perceptions. imma have to watch it a couple more times to take everything i can in properly but i liked it a lot, and not only because it’s star wars and it’s what i’ve been living for for the past 2 years. one of the things i loved about it was the comedy. it was just the perfect amount, at the right time, in the right places, perfect. although if i hadn’t watched th/or 3 before this i would’ve been taken aback lmao, i wasn’t used to humor in sci-fi/fantasy before. the plotlines i feel like were a bit scattered and hard to keep track of sometimes. tfa remains my favourite star wars movie but if anything, tlj was completely original plot wise (you can’t pick a clear match for it out of the rest of the movies the way you can with anh and tfa), even if it led to some confusion and scattering. 
i probably meant to mention something else but it’s 4 am and i gotta go to bed at some point. please talk to me about this movie if you’ve seen it as well, and if you read this far i hope you have the most wonderful day. 
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