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kajaono · 6 months

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BBC Sherlock taking John and Sherlock’s relationship for granted creates a rift in the narrative

I have already pointed out in previous post how disappointed I was that John and Sherlock relationship never developed, in a way it should and would have been justified by the narrative

In this point I want to look at how their relationship started and how this was already created the first problems. This review contains multiple spoilers for other Sherlock Holmes shows.

When John and Sherock meet for the fisrt time in ASIP they immediatley start working together.

No hesitation. They both went full in, from minute one onwards. This is a nice way of showing how well John and Sherlock work together, and that they think alike. But on the other hand it feels like Mofftiss took the relationship for granted and said: "These are John and Sherlock. Of course they work perfectly which each other. We do not have to talk about that."

But imo that was TOO fast. There is no conflict. They never have time to discuss where they stand in this relationship. And because Mofftiss pretend, that they work perfectly together, from minute one onwards - even though they just met - it is hard to further develop their relationship from here on. Because it is already perfect. You would need something really big to happen for them to redefine their roles in this relationship. We kind of had that in season 4, but we knew how messy that went. And there was never a TALK after that. Thats also a main problem in this show. John and Sherlock never really talk. It is John who often sits down and talks and Sherlock is not listening. Of course the relationship is developing, but the show never uses its whole potential.

So what would have been a better way of handling their first meeting? A first meeting that allows them to naturelly grow into the relationship... and further develop their relationship?

Elementary

Yeah I am gonna drag Elementary into this again. BBC Sherlock and Elementray share a really similar set up. They meet each other for the first time, and immeditaly move in and start solving cases together. But Elemenetary gives John and Sherlock time to grow into the relastionship.

This moment defines the Joanlock relationship imo. It shows that Joan is ready to confront Sherlock and call out his bullshit, that Sherlock listens and is effected by what Joan thinks and says, that Sherlock still has a lot of work to do. AND - most importantly - that a Johnlock relationship takes effort and is nothing that you can take for granted.

And this show was on air for 7 seasons, with 22 episodes each. Nevertheless the relationship was developing the whole time. In future seasons they are recalling their first meeting, honoring how much they have grown.

Resulting in:

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This is something we never got in BBC Sherlock. We never saw them honoring the growth they made, recalling their first meeting, and having a satisifying conculsion, aka: "I love you" (in what way doesn't matter btw. The Joanlock moment wasn't romantic either).

Of course you could agrue now: "But Elementary did had the time for stuff like that, BBC Sherlock only had 4 seasons, with 3 episodes each."

So let us look at The Irregulars next:

This show starts as a usual crime detective show... with a supernatural twist. But slowly you learn that the core point of the show is the relationship between Sherlock Holmes and John Watson.

The show is set years after Holmes and Watsons first meeting. Actually when we first meet John his relationship with Sherlock is over already, broken and ruined. Later we - the viewer - get multiple flashback scene, showing us how they first met, how their relationship developed, and why they are not talking with each other anymore, resulting in this glorious moment:

But the show doesn't stop there, it even goes further and shows us how John and Sherlock slowly get closer to each other again. Sitting in the dark, discussing their relationship, the mistakes they made and most important: apologizing.

Still angry at Netflix for cancelling the show.

Of Course we also have other approaches. RDJ Sherlock.

Like BBC Sherlock it leans much more into Crime aspect of the story. But the story still centers around Holmes and Watsons relationship. When we first meet them they have been together long, probably for years. They are already settled in their relationship. They both know their roles in this relationship and they both feel comfortable with it. They behave like an old married couple. And when they fight, it is never serious. The first real problems erupt when Watson decides to marry. And thats the whole core problem of the first movie: Watson moving out of 221B to marry a woman and how Holmes deals with that. He develops from more or less boycotting the marriage to accepting it and gifting Mary and Watson a ring.

The second movie is him trying to accept that his love of his life best friend is married now and trying to solve cases on his own, without Watson. Eventually sacrificing his own life to safe Watson AND Mary. So even though the movies are crime movies, the Johnlock relationship is still the heart of the story.

If the movies wouldn't focus on the Johnlock relationship, the story would be a different one.

Many Johnlock moments in the movies are non-verbal, so excuse the extensive use of gifs here. But there is so much happening on a non-verbal level!

For example the wedding, which is a huge Johnlock moment. John being super nervous before his wedding and you see that Holmes is not happy either, but he still nods, letting Watson know that it is okay and that Watson is making the right decision.

But nevertheless he has to look away when Mary and Watson kiss. The message is clear here. He isn't happy, he is sad because he is loosing the most important person in his life.

Then we have moments like this, (see below) where - during a moment of danger - they cling to each other, making sure the other one is safe. Not being afraid of physical contact. This is something I was also missing in BBC sherlock btw. Physical they always made sure to stay away from each other. When they hugged it was like... a big thing. Which - set in modern times - felt a little bit off. Because in contrast to Miss Sherlock (see below) Holmes was never shown to be actively against physical contact. I wish the production team would have allowed more friendly touches. I mean... ACD Johnlock walks around arm-in-arm and John gets nervous everytime Holmes comes close, because "poeple might talk." Nah...

I think A game of shadows, peaked when Watson and Holmes danced. Because it shows that they have a deep connection. They came from a place where they acted like an old married couple, then being all nervous because of the Watson/Marry wedding, having to re-identify their relationship towards each other, to this finale dance, where - symbolically- they are a couple again. Everything came full circle. It is like: No matter what happens around Watson and Holmes, they will always find their way back to each other. They will always be the center of the story. It will always be them against the rest of the world, no matter what. No excuses.

But acually, the adaptation most close to BBC Sherlock is Miss Sherlock. I mean... it was basically a female japanese copy of BBC Sherlock.

But still... it improved a lot of things. When Sherlock and Wato (Watson) first meet they really can not stand each other. This Sherlock is also rude, but it is really clear that she is on the autism spectrum. She gets overhelmed by too much light and by loud noises. She is really against phyisal contact.

And the most beautiful thing about this adaptation: It knows that in the end Watson will always be Sherlocks weakness. It will not say: "Don't try to drown in the well. Good luck. I am off hugging my sister." (season 4 shade). In Miss Sherlock the finale conflict is: Watson being manipulated to work against Sherlock. Showing, that in the end, it all boils down to their relationship again. And this adaptation wrote a scene that is just.. chef kiss!

When Wato is around, Sherlock is all grumpy towards her. But during the finale Wato is kidnapped. And the show gives us a short look into one of Sherlocks most private moments. The moment she realizes that Wato is kidnapped. A moment where Sherlock is completly alone. And we see a honest and extremly vunerable moment. This one:

Sherlock screaming Watos name in agony. Knowing that she NEEDS Wato. And then she goes and risks everything to save Wato. EVERYTHING!

Her reputation and her life. She is even ready to be killed by Wato.

TL.DR:

So what am I trying to say? That BBC Johnlock has no relationship development? That there isn't any trust between them? Nope, course not.

We see John and Sherlock growing into the relationship, we see Sherlock getting softer because of John, we see John healing because of Sherlock and on the other hand we see Sherlock opening up, telling Watson whats really on his mind. Trying to be a better human, being more social. But imo that should have been the plot of idk... the first season, maybe the second one. Because thats just the beginning. A Johnlock relationship is so mch deeper, holds so much more story potential. Yeah, John and Sherlock belong to ecah other and are good for each other. We know that! Is Sherlock ready to confess his (plantonic) love for Watson by the end of the show? Is Watson so jealous of Sherlocks love interest that he opens a rift in the universe? Is Sherlock having a break down, screaming out Watsons name in agony? I don't want to see John being replaced by a balloon in season 4 (!) and it is played for a joke. Their relationship should be so so so much deeper at that point. For me BBC Sherlock felt like, they stop mid-relationship-development. It feels like Mofftiss said: "John and Sherlock work well with each other and are best friend. What else is there to say?" SO! MUCH! MORE!

They had all this potential, and went nowhere with it. And i don't necessarily mean romantically btw. Eveen Hilson drove into the sunset together eventually...

#bbc sherlock #johnlock #elementary #miss sherlock #the irregulars #rdj johnlock #long post

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awkwardanxiousasexual · 2 months

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Live action version of Avatar gets a two season renewal to finish the story but Julie and the phantoms, Lockwood and co, the irregulars, and so many other good shows get nothing?? How are these decisions made?

#Jatp #julie and the phantoms #lockwood and co #Look I haven't finish atla yet but it's very mediocre so far imo #And there have been other Netflix shows that were much more interesting that have gotten nothing #the irregulars

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ibelongtotheclassics · 2 months

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there's something about old-fashioned romance that speaks deeply to the romantic soul ✍️💌🤝🎩🌷

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jay-wasreblogging · 1 month

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When someone says JohnLock is canon in *insert adaptation* but it's just one-sided, unrequited love johnlock

#irregulars johnlock #im talking to you #i got fooled by this gifset of john saying he always loved sherlock and then proceeded to watch the most fucked piece of johnlock i have #ever consumed. it was bad enough that sherlock didnt return johns feelings but for him to love someone else? i....wow. hurted like hell #granted there was only one season and there was a possibility that maybe it would turn diff but for the season we got it was so painful #i cried when watson talked about watching sherlock fall in love with someone else in front of him omg #and yes i just finished watching the irregulars (i love the paranormal detective genre) but the johnlock part just made me sad #sherlock #sherlock holmes #john watson #johnlock #the irregulars #bbc sherlock #the private life of sherlock holmes

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anne-adler · 3 months

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This is your reminder that John Watson is canonically in love with Sherlock Holmes in The Irregulars.

#the irregulars #sherlock holmes #johnlock #john watson

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carlyleandco · 1 year

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Why Six of Crows/Shadow and Bone Fans Should Watch Lockwood & Co. on Netflix coming 27 January:

A main trio that is arguably more idiotic, incompetent, and chaotic (said affectionately) than Inej, Kaz and Jesper in S&B.

Found family. Like actually the most domestic and cozy found family ever.

A company leader who has an affinity for wearing only suits and long coats.

To add to that, the leader of the team suffers from childhood trauma. Sounding familiar yet?

Alright, alright, Lockwood is essentially the smilier version of Kaz, and uses his charisma to mask his tragic past. Actually on further reflection, if you put together Nikolai Lanstov and Kaz Brekker into one character, you’d get Anthony Lockwood.

Badass heroine who is also pining for her boss.

For Six of Crows lovers, L&C also has mystery! betrayal! criminal underworlds! underdog story! trauma! teenagers/young adults battling the establishment/authority.

Other Reasons You Should Watch:

Witty, sarcastic, and dry British humour (which contrasts well with the horror).

Main trio burns down a house!

Main heroine’s bff is a talking decapitated skull in a jar.

Ghosts! Sinister plots! Characters exploring the fabric between life and death!

Lots of action with rapiers fighting ghost and human enemies alike!

Romance!

As fellow book-to-screen Netflix adaption enthusiasts, please assist us in streaming this show, coming out 27 January 2023, so it doesn’t get canned. We are but a small fandom and are slightly (very) desperate.

So if you feel like watching a thrilling, comedic, and sinister yet also oddly heartwarming show to tide you over until Shadow and Bone S2, I invite you to step through 35 Portland Row’s door and watch Lockwood & Co., premiering 27 January.

For your kind consideration:

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#shadow and bone #lockwood and co #l&co. netflix #six of crows #sorry for cross tagging!!!!#we all know what Netflix is like!!#as a fellow six of crows stan pls help us #the irregulars #ya books #bookblr #YA #someone pls repost on Twitter for me 😭😭

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haveyouseenthisseries-poll · 2 months

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#tv shows #tv series #polls #the irregulars #mckell david #thaddea graham #jojo macari #2020s series #british series #have you seen this series poll

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halloween--hoe · 1 year

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Just made a list of all the shows I’ve watched that have been cancelled that I can recall right now. There’s 14 on the list. 13 of them had prominent queer characters. 9 of which were wlw. It just doesn’t sit right with me

#one of us is lying #the wilds #chilling adventures of sabrina #the oa netflix #the society #get even #fate the winx saga #cursed #netflix cursed #the order #first kill #i am not okay with this #everything sucks!#the irregulars #northern rescue #the OA

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thedanceronthestreets · 5 months

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Absolutely flabbergasted that despite being utterly utterly terrible, the irregulars still manages to demonstrate why the sherlock holmes stories are so beloved: on the one hand it's because the story lacks the betterment sherlock and john provide for each other, which is also one of the reasons why the show doesn't really work lmao. I understand that they were trying to put a dark spin on their relationship and essentially went "instead of making each other better, why don't we let them make each other worse". It's a very interesting concept but surprisingly seems to be detrimental to the show because at its core, the sherlock holmes stories are about 2 men bringing out the best in each other and it seems that factor is extremely hard to remove from the story. And this is where, again surprisingly, the irregulars makes up for its own mistakes. Because in the end they don't commit to sherlock and john hating each other, in the end they commit to the polar opposite: watson is in love with sherlock. And that is objectively speaking the only redeemable part of the show: because it comes so naturally to the character and explains so much. This has been said about the original books time and time again, that sherlock and john love each other, and then people bicker about what kind of love that is. But the irregulars nicely demonstrates the core of sherlock holmes and i paraphrase "how sherlock holmes isn't the work of one man but two"

#the irregulars #sherlock holmes

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murdermostace · 3 months

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#bea the irregulars #leo the irregulars #sherlock holmes #john watson #billy the irregulars #jessie the irregulars #spike the irregulars #the irregulars #textposts #mine

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ecoamerica · 20 days

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kajaono · 1 year

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Diverse Sherlock Holmes adaptations

for you to watch on major streaming services to make Racists, sexists and homophobes mad

SPOILERS are always marked as such! Read on own risk!

1. The irregulars - Available on Netflix - cancelled after one season

John Watson is a black gay man (canon, confirmed in the show) in this supernatural adaptation of Sherlock Holmes.

The main character is Bea, played by Thaddea Graham a Chinese-Irish (queer?) actress

2. Miss Sherlock - closed in one season, available on HBO Asia, HBO max (?) Hulu and Amazon prime America and DVD

This adaptation plays in Japan. Both Sherlock and John are Japanese woman. Wato (John) is traumatized war doctor for Red Cross. Her trauma is important for the story. Sherlock is autistic coded and has a chocolate addiction. SPOILER SPOILERS SPOILERS Spoilers Moriarty is a female in this adaptation. While Mary is male.

3. Elementary - closed in seven seasons - available on prime, CBS and many more as well as DVDs

In this adaptation John is a female Chinese American. Her Sherlock is both queer as well as neurodivergent coded, but it was never confirmed inside the show, only outside, so this is why he is not pictured her

Johns close colleague and best friend is Markus bell, an American black man

Mrs Hudson is a trans woman

Sherlocks girlfriend is autistic

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER:

Moriarty is a woman in this one

We also have multiple other queer, disabled and people of color-side characters

4. Enola Holmes - two movies so far - available on Netflix

Watson is an Indian man in this one. Apart from that this adaptation is a not a shining light of representation but we will see where the road will lead us. This was already enough to make people mad…

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS

Moriarty is a black woman in this one and if we will get a third movie we will see more her soon!

5. Sherlock daughter - in production - Netflix

We honestly do not know anything about the adaptation so far, apart from that Sherlock will be played be a trans woman

#enola holmes #johnlock #the irregulars #miss sherlock #cbs elementary #Sherlocks daughter #Sherlock Holmes adaptations

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evilwickedme · 2 months

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Your elementary posts are inspiring me to rewatch elementary! Which is good bc i love elementary and bad bc i have so much programming homework to be doing.

Anyway, so on the topic of sherlock holmes:

Which screen (movie and tv) adaptation of sherlock holmes have you seen, and which ones do you think are best (true to original holmes) and best (most personally enjoyable to you)?

(I love your meta on fandom stuff in general - no pressure to answer tho! I just feel like you’d give an interesting reply on this)

Elementary is so good, I'm glad I inspired you to rewatch (but also, good luck with your homework lmao)

Now, to answer your question

It's worth noting that I... Did not read the original stories. Or well, I tried, but I didn't vibe with them originally (I tried to read them in high school after receiving a complete copy for my birthday from my sister), didn't get around to giving them a second chance, and eventually just exchanged my copy for some of my friend's books. So I can't really speak to how accurate any of these are to the originals, but I'll guess anyway lmao

So! Adaptations of Sherlock Holmes I've seen, in no particular order

Sherlock (BBC, 2010-2017) - first two seasons and an episode and a half of season 3

My experience of Sherlock BBC was heavily colored by superwholock and the reichenbach pause, which were the reason I watched the show in the first place, as I had not heard of the show previously. 2012-2013 Tumblr was truly another time. I believe around the same time I also binge watched the first two seasons of Game of Thrones, and I had very similar experiences with both of them: investment because they were pop culture phenomenon, and uncritical and quick consumption that left no room for my own feelings to develop. And in both cases when the third season premiered I discovered, much to my surprise, that I didn't actually like the show. I in fact had extremely pointed criticisms of the show, didn't enjoy the characters, and found the viewing experience to be tedious hard work. So... I do not like Sherlock (BBC), and never really did, although I continued to participate in superwholock as a fandom until its decline. The release of Sherlock is Garbage and Here's Why (dir. Hbomberguy, 2017) was an incredibly satisfactory experience, as it experienced my criticisms extremely well, and put to words my feelings that I hadn't even managed to turn into criticisms, plus pointing out flaws I hadn't even noticed. SiGaHW is one of my favorite films, a twice-yearly watch. Highly recommended. That said, Sherlock itself sucks and is both a bad show and has uncompelling "mysteries". Bad as an adaptation of the original stories and bad as in just bad. Bad.

Elementary (CBS, 2012-2019) - all seven seasons

I enjoy Elementary a great deal. I think it's sort of a model modern procedural, with the cases of the week nearly always being compelling to watch and the emphasis on the developing character dynamics being one of my favorite aspects. There are seasons I enjoy more or less but that's nearly always because of the ongoing subplots (Morland and Moriarty were significantly more compelling than Shinwell, for example) than the actual cases of the week, which again, are pretty much always extremely solid. I've rewatched this show several times, and I think it's extremely enjoyable. It's not perfect, but it gets points for, for example, having Mrs. Hudson be a trans woman all the way back in the early 2010s, and having an autistic woman as a love interest who felt like a genuine well rounded woman. It's also occasionally a little critical of the police in a way that stands out for a crime procedural, which is cool, but only a little. All in all, I like the show a lot, although it's not my favorite on this list. That said, the crime procedural is pretty much the most natural way to adapt the spirit of the original Holmes stories into modern day media, and it uses pretty much every notable character from the stories eventually including some of the mysteries (I really like the hounds storyline adaptation in particular!), so I think this wins best adaptation.

Sherlock Holmes (dir. Guy Ritchie, 2009) - just the first one

I'll be real with you I don't remember anything about this movie except that I watched it and had a fine time.

House (Fox, 2004-2012) - all eight seasons

Y'all know I'm currently in House brainrot, so obviously this ends up on the list. Excellent television, especially for people like me who live for a good procedural and were looking for something that wasn't a cop show. House is Holmes, Wilson is Watson, and the occasional Sherlock Holmes canon reference shows up, such as the guy who shot House being named Moriarty in the credits, or Wilson bullshitting the second gen ducklings about a woman named Irene Adler who was The Woman for House. It's a very good show - although not currently my favorite on the list - and any mystery of the week format is going to be at least a little inspired by the o.g., but it doesn't win over Elementary, which has actual murder and crime mysteries.

The Irregulars (Netflix, 2021) - like two episodes

Based on the concept of Sherlock's canon irregulars but it's a fantasy show! I heard great things but did not end up clicking with it. Obviously by virtue of it being a supernatural show it's not very based on the original, but at least there's mysteries that must be solved?

Sanctuary (Syfy, 2008-2011)

This show is the kind of thing I'd watch when it was on, back in the days where I would watch my parents' satellite television instead of downloading whole seasons of shows on my laptop (as I didn't have a laptop yet lmao). I remember it having dense plots, and vaguely remembered that one of the characters was Sherlock Holmes, and I googled it - it's actually Watson. But hey, that counts, so I included it. I remember enjoying the show but I could not tell you if it was actually good because my taste in 2010 was a bit of a mixed bag on account of me being 12. Anyway I would say it's probably a terrible adaptation and they most likely didn't even try considering the kind of show it was, and I wouldn't call it my favorite.

Psych (USA, 2006-2014; movies 2017, 2020, 2021) - eight seasons, 3 movies

Finally we reach my favorite of these shows. Is it the best one? Idk that's probably a competition between Elementary and House, really, because Psych gets quite silly in the later seasons. But I really do love this show and these characters so much. Like House, it is only a little inspired, but even more loosely so, with really only the idea of a guy who's really smart and eccentric and his best friend who seems normal but really is a bit of a freak (in Gus' case, actually way weirder than Shawn) sticking around. Shawn has eidetic memory and is wicked smart, and actually makes for some really good ADHD rep in my opinion. The comedy usually lands and the romance plot is one of my favorite slow burns and the serial killer episodes are high quality as shit and I love that there's a pineapple hidden in every single episode and I just. I love this show I love it so much

Anyway these are all the adaptations I've seen that I could think of. It's possible I missed something but only the kind of thing that doesn't say Holmes on it; I haven't seen Enola Homes, for example.

Thank you so much for asking I really appreciated this thought exercise of trying to remember every single bullshit TV show I've ever seen because, um, I've seen a lot of TV if I'm going to be honest.

Sorry for taking two weeks this was surprisingly hard and I have. A job

#sherlock holmes #elementary #house #house md #sherlock #sherlock bbc #the irregulars #sanctuary #psych #gail speaks #ask #hoarder-of-tea

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