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itsasimplereason · 2 months

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The fact that the Doctor never finds out that Jenny's alive kills me.

#Doctor Who #Tenth Doctor #David Tennant #Jenny #The Doctor's Daughter #Georgia Tennant #*breaks down door after not posting for over a year*#Surprise! I betcha thought you'd seen the last of me

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neat-crows · 2 months

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So I've been re-watching dr who for the first time ever rn, with a friend who's never seen it before, so I'm seeing all these episodes for the first time since I was 13 and picking up on a LOT that I never noticed before, and holy shit the tenth doctor is SO WEIRD to Martha Jones, and nothing exemplifies that more than the sontaran stratagem/the poison sky.... like..... he is SO weird the whole way down.

When they first see each other again their introduction directly mirrors Jack and The Doctor's in Utopia

"Doctor" "martha Jones" laugh and hug

"doctor" "captain Jack" laugh and hug

And then! they have a normal interaction!!! WIN he asks how her family is and how she is, and they're smiling and genuinely seem like friends very happy to see each other!

And then.... donna drops the fiance bomb.

He turns with a look of.... almost anger? disbelief? and asks WHAT MAN?? Then martha explains who he is and the doctor....

he looks? upset? and then like, resigned? AND THEN martha admits that her fiance is kind of similar to the doctor, and then donna asks "Is he skinny?" and his reactions

is to make a face like "yeahh" AND START NODDING????? like he's taken Martha's admission to mean she's with a man that's just like him, and honestly seems a bit smug over it, and then when Martha says no-

he looks so taken off guard and betrayed ??????????? BRO we are less than 5 minutes in..............

He then proceeds to be tetchy with her, and to be fair this is mostly because of her involvement with unit, and his discomfort with how militaristic she's gotten - which I think comes both from anger at himself for how he's changed her, and also discomfort that she's no longer "his" Martha, she's changed, and he doesn't know her as well anymore.

he tells her off, he's snide and judgmental, he won't even look at her until she tells him to, and he's honestly bitchy - Until she explains herself, and tells him off for being so judgmental, i also think his line "oh so it's my fault" is very telling because..... it literally is? like yes, you put her in situations where she had to become harder and more used to violence......... and he KNOWS it. He's doing what he did all through series 3, which is feel guilty or bad and then take it out on Martha (that's for another post though) until she stands up for herself (get his ass!!) and then when she's finished she looks at him

determined, but eyes darting back and forth waiting for his reaction, on some small level hoping for his approval

and only THEN does he start to smile, and he tells her "that sounds more like Martha Jones." she's back to feeling like she's still his (to him, Martha is acting incredibly normal and platonic). The doctor has always had a weird possessiveness with Martha, going all the way back to their first episode where he hand picked her, and in this second of her looking for his approval, he feels that again, and he IMMEDIATELY started flirting again - please go watch the scene it boggles my mind how fast he switches.

I also want to be clear, Martha isn't flirting back, she's acting extremely normally. She's clearly taken the time away from him to get over, not only romantic feelings, but any anger as well. She seems to have come to terms with how she feels with everything that happened, and she loves and cares about him, but she's not naive to his faults - I also don't think she even picks up on him being weird to her in this scene. She's no longer in tune with his every mood swing, she's not here to fix him, or cater to his needs, and so she no longer notices these small moments from him.

AND THEN.... the clone.

He never flirts with the clone. The ONLY time, is the very first time they interact, before he's realized something is wrong.

he calls her over to come with him, and his face is honestly way too close to hers. bro is a menace. but then, maybe 2 minutes later, he immediately clocks that this is not Martha.

he realizes there has to be a spy and only has to consider for half a second before he turns and asks about her family, he's already realized she's acting a little off, and the second she answers he's 100% certain.

and he gets MAD. he tells her Donna went home because she's not like her, she's not "a soldier" clearly a shot at the sontarans, but also another subtle test, the real Martha wouldn't let that slide, and he wouldn't say that to the real Martha. He continues saying Avanti, instead of Allonse-y, which is interesting, because he already knows. He's not doing this to confirm his suspicions, he's doing this as retaliation. To confirm to himself he knows Martha better than this fake, he's toying with her. BUT. He doesn't go to save Martha.

The next episode, the doctor's daughter, he refuses to accept the label of soldier, but Jenny rightfully points out that he strategizes like one And this is one such moment. He knows Martha is a clone, he's mad and upset, he could go save her right away, but he doesn't. He doesn't because it serves him best to allow her to keep shutting down the nuclear launch.

It reminds me a lot of when Cassandra possessed Rose in New Earth, he played a long for a little bit, but that was just to figure out what was happening. He IMMEDIATELY tried to fix it, I just wonder if it was any other companion if he would have done this. If it was Donna would he have left her for so long? even if it was strategic? it's this weird conflict the doctor has now that he's very very protective and a bit possessive, but he also treats her like an equal on the battlefield, and it's a weird... trust? he has in her to take care of herself.

I kind of don't want to call it trust because that sounds too positive, but I don't know another way to phrase it, but it's a forced independence and self sufficiency.

but then, he finally goes to save her

He goes and cradles her face gently, and NOTABLY says "good, still alive" MEANING HE DIDN'T KNOW??? and still left her for that long...

but he holds her gently, and fully ignores the clone. He has his back to her, and then proceeds to taunt her. He tells her he clocked her right away because of the pupil size, thin hair, and he says she smells. but we know this isn't true.

Sure maybe those physical traits are true, but that's not how he figured it out, we saw how he did it, he clocked on because he knows Martha so well, but he can't admit that. He can't admit that he knows her just as much as she knows him, just like he couldn't tell Rose he loved her.

He is so deeply angry at this clone, he makes fun of her, he yells at her, he looks at her likes she's nothing

This is his face when he kills her. He doesn't talk to her, or even TRY to save her. And we know she is alive, she has memories, and her own thoughts and feelings, and the doctor kills her while gloating because of his immense anger for hurting Martha. An anger that is also guilt.

he does not speak to her like a person (which directly leads into his treatment of Jenny in the next ep).

Parallel that to how Martha treats her, they talk about their family and she even calls the clone Martha. She really is a doctor in a way ten tried and often failed at.

And then at the end, Donna asks Martha to come with them, and she says no, and that she's happy at home, but she's better for having traveled and come back.

And the doctor looks at her

With an obvious sadness, but also acceptance. He clearly wants her here, with him, but I think he's finally come to accept that that'll never happen, and he needs to let her go.

Edit: I Like their dynamic(mostly) This is not an anti tenmartha post Him being a freak is compelling

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logray · 4 months

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Just me and the Doctor, together. Is that all right? Yeah, course it is.

#angelslatte #dwedit #tvedit #doctor who #the doctor #david tennant #donna noble #shaun temple #karl collins #partners in crime #the fires of pompeii #planet of the ood #the doctor's daughter #the unicorn and the wasp #the star beast #gifs**

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oldbookshop · 5 months

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DOCTOR WHO: The Star Beast | Last of the Time Lords | The Doctor's Daughter

{somebody mentioned in the tags under this post that Jenny's death parallels as well}

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kenshiv · 5 months

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FREEMA AGYEMAN as Martha Jones in The Doctor's Daughter.

#doctor who #dwedit #dwgifs #freema agyeman #martha jones #2 #it still cracks me up that she came back just to be deeply traumatized one last time kjdndkfjjk wonderful #they had to make sure she had the worst time ever so she wouldn't want to travel with him again #the doctor's daughter

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too-funky · 6 months

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Tenth Doctor | The Doctor's Daughter

#david tennant #tenth doctor #catherine tate #donna noble #freema agyeman #martha jones #georgia tennant #jenny #doctor who #the doctor's daughter #dwedit #rtdedit #my gifs

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nkp1981 · 2 months

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They Went To See Michael Sheen's New Play "Nye", 2024

#10th doctor #14th doctor #david tennant #jenny #georgia tennant #the doctor's daughter #doctor who #crowley #aziraphale #michael sheen #good omens #staged

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spockvarietyhour · 7 months

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Doctor Who "The Doctor's Daughter"

#Doctor Who #The Doctor's Daughter #Martha Jones #Hath #Freema Agyeman #dwedit #GIF #my gifs #not a dw rewatch #Hide and Queue

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mizgnomer · 5 months

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Behind the Scenes of The Doctors Daughter - Part 8

From TV and Satellite Week interview with Georgia Moffett (now Tennant):

Her dad was thrilled when Georgia got the part. "I think he was kind of in shock," she says. "It was weird for him, but it's lovely to have that connection with something he did 25 years ago." Georgia, whose mother is squeaky-voiced American actress Sandra Dickinson, won't be drawn on who is her favorite Time Lord. "David is the best Doctor I've worked with," she says tactfully, "He's so positive - even at five in the morning. But I did tease him a lot, especially when we were out in public. I was like, 'Why are you wearing a hat? Isn't that going to draw attention to yourself?'"

Link to [ part one ] of this post, or click the #whoBtsDD tag, or the [ full episode list ]

#david tennant #georgia tennant #georgia moffett #catherine tate #freema agyeman #doctor who #rtdedit #the doctor's daughter #such lovely beginnings #what cuties!#nigel terry #whoBts #whoBtsDD #stuff i posted

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ernstiggroteadelaar · 8 months

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Doctor Who family scheme

I'm still working on this, but it's an attempt at a family tree of the doctor. (Or rather a web of family trees surrounding them)

It is of course pretty difficult and chaotic per definition

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mindibindi · 3 months

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Donna Looking at The Doctor

#dw #dr who #doctor who #donna noble #catherine tate #ten x donna #the doctor's daughter #look no one was giffing it and deserved to be giffed #caps is all i got tho #enjoy

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thegoldenghost4 · 4 months

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Make this a trope

#docotr who #tenth doctor #donna noble #the master #jenny doctor who #the doctor's daughter #fourteenth doctor #thoschei #good omens

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notyoujamie · 2 years

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Well!

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ploppythespaceship · 1 year

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On my latest Doctor Who rewatch, I'm struck by something in "The Doctor's Daughter" -- I don't really know what Martha's doing in the episode. She gets separated from the Doctor almost immediately, and has her own plot befriending the Hath that doesn't really give us anything new or interesting. We see that Martha is extremely intelligent, hyper competent, and above all caring and open-minded -- but these are things that we already knew about her. Then when she reunites with the Doctor, for the rest of the episode she's just sort of there. The writers went through a lot of trouble to include her, only to give her a repeat arc that doesn't impact the rest of the story. If you removed her from the episode, nothing about the overall plot would change.

You know what would have made all the difference in the world? If Martha and Donna had switched places.

Pairing Martha off with the Doctor for this episode would have been far more interesting for that point in their relationship. Martha has already chosen to leave this life behind -- and suddenly she's thrust right back into it alongside him. What kind of emotions does that bring up? Does she miss her travels at all? Does she have any regrets about her decision? That's the kind of situation that would bring all of those questions up organically.

Meanwhile, if Donna had been separated from the Doctor first thing and forced to work with the Hath, it would have been fascinating for her character as well. It would be the first time seeing her figuring this stuff out truly on her own, without the Doctor to help her, while she figures out how to communicate with a truly alien race and find her way back to her friends. It would be more interesting with Donna because it's a new setting for her -- we know that Martha can handle that, but we haven't seen quite the same from Donna yet.

#personal #doctor who #new who #the doctor's daughter #martha jones #donna noble #honestly it feels like the episode was already written but then someone said 'hey martha needs to be in this'#so the bare minimum was done to include her

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billdecker · 2 years

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