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moltz23 · 5 months

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Did a Potential Overhaul in the Post-Timeskip Cutscenes mess up with 3H's Development? - Development Mystery/Theory

Back in 2021, Nintendo released a video called Fire Emblem : Vol 1 to celebrate the franchise's 30th anniversary. And around 30:35, the video shows the 3H Movie "Rematch", used for Chapter 17 of the Azure Moon and Verdant Wind routes.

With a catch.

It's not the same one that ended up on the final game:

A glimpse into an alternate reality?

People went wild back when they noticed Edelgard and Claude in this version are using the outfits of their Emperor & Barbsrossa classes rather than the Armored Lord and Wyvern Master ones seen in the game we got, leading to much speculation surrounding what this meant for Three Houses. And it goes without saying that, while unseen, fans suspect that Dimitri uses his Great Lord outfit rather than the High Lord's in this version. So... The heck is up with this movie???

Well, as uncovered by VincentASM from sereneforest.net, it's highly likely this take of the movie shown in the promotional Nintendo/FE video is from an early build of the game. A build so early, that Edelgard skin and eyes were more saturated, and characters still didn't use unique palettes when using generic classes (which was incidentally used in February's JP Nintendo Direct of 2019).

Your call as for which version looks better.

It doesn't just end there though; if Three Houses' datamine is anything to go by - namely, the internal order the classes have in the code - we can find evidence that can answer why the endgame lord classes were used in this variation rather than the "middle ones" early on: simply put, Armored Lord, High Lord, and Wyvern Master did not exist during most of 3H' development. In turn, this explains why the Flame Emperor Class - Edelgard's enemy-only class for Part 1 - is internally, a model swap of her Emperor class rather than Armored Lord's: the latter didn't exist during development of Part 1, so Emperor was used as a base instead.

With this evidence uncovered and the answer giving resolution to the promotional footage shown, hopes waned down for the future of 3H, and everyone moved on.

This raises two questions I haven’t seen anyone point out before, though.

How much (if any) did this change mess up the post-timeskip movies? Is it the reason why the Silver Snow Theorem happened?

To explain these inquiries further, I'll go into greater detail about each one:

1. Two Types of Animated Movies.

Corporate needs you to find the differences between these two pictures.

Three Houses uses 2 types of animated movies for important scenes. The first one (see the one on the left), was done in-house by KT through pre-rendering shenanigans with the 3H engine. Meanwhile, the second one (on the right) was outsourced to SANZIGEN.

The distinction between both is relevant because the movie showcased in the FE Castle Conversations video - as well its final version - belong to the former category. Meaning that, should the character designs get tweaked during development, in the best case scenario, as far IS & KT were concerned, swapping models should be enough to keep things up to date, which might as well be what happened with the "Rematch" movie once the House Leader's main post-timeskip designs were swapped.

But what about tweaking the other type of movies, though? The ones commissioned to the animation studio? I can't imagine the whole process being cheap in their case, more so given that 8 out of the 11 movies commissioned to SANZIGEN feature the 3H lords post-timeskip:

What's important here is that ☆ = Doesn't feature any 3H lord in any capacity.

Granted, the smartest course of action in this instance would've been to simply commission the post-timeskip movies near the end of development to avoid consistency/revision issues, for which there is a plausible chance that’s the case. After all, in the E3 2018 trailer for the game - which was the first instance we ever saw footage of it - the only animated movie outsourced seen was the one from the intro.

But... What if that’s not the case?

Call me paranoid if you want, but I raise this worry for a reason-

2. "The Theorem of What?????"

Love this banner so much.

A few months ago I did a breakdown on how 3H distributes it's movies across routes, and if there's anything that stood up a ton besides the predictable stuff, is that the game followed a clear pattern which determined which routes would get the most movies, versus which ones would get screwed instead. In my breakdown, I coined this pattern "The Silver Snow Theorem" which proposes the following:

"The amount of movies and fullscreen CGs present in a route’s main story by Part 2, is directly and inversely proportional respectively, to how much the narrative follows Silver Snow’s story beats."

And as a refresher, Silver Snow matters to the development of Three Houses because: A. That's the first route the developers worked on; and B. was used as the basis for the other 3:

Which route specifically did you create in the beginning to establish the world-building? Kusakihara: It was one of the two paths in the Empire route—the one fans refer to as the “church route”: “Silver Snow” [...] afterwards, we had Koei Tecmo’s scripting team start work on the nitty-gritty of the other house leaders and the story of their respective routes.

While Silver Snow having this much influence over the Part 2 movies is noticeable in hindsight, truth be told, I did initially brush it off as just a side effect of being used as a template for development. Looking back now though, a part of me now wonders if the Part 2 movies were first commissioned once Silver Snow was late into development and AM and VW had been already decided to borrow a ton from the route’s first half. Because if that’s the case, then there might have been cutscenes outsourced to SANZIGEN that did feature Edelgard, Dimitri and Claude with their second post-timeskip lord classes rather than one ones fans are most familiar with.

But then, it was decided during development that the house leaders would rather use different outfits instead. And this might have caused problems with budget since changing those outsourced cutscenes ain’t an easy task compared to the ones KT made in-house.

Like, seriously.

Goes without saying that all this is merely conjecture. But I feel it’s worth making the question because, to reiterate, the Silver Snow Theorem highlights that the more a route follows Silver Snow’s story beats to a tee, the more animated cutscenes (and less CGs) it gets. And given evidence points out the lord’s main post-timeskip classes fans are familiar with were a late addition… I guess y’all know where I’m going by now.

I usually don’t make threads focusing on fan theories and stuff, but this has been in my mind for a long while so I wanted to see what you guys think about it. Do you think more movies with the lord’s 2nd classes got made before the outfit swap was made? Or perhaps the issue the devs ran with that caused the Silver Snow Threorem might be due to something else entirely…? Also, what's y'all's opinion on SANZIGEN's movies compared to the ones done by KT?

#fire emblem #fe3h #fire emblem 3 houses #fire emblem: three houses #theory #fan theory #development #trivia #crimson flower #azure moon #verdant wind #silver snow #edelgard von hresvelg #dimitri alexandre blaiddyd #claude von riegan #khalid

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puppys-rhythm-heaven · 1 year

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tbh the only thing that makes me doubt the possibility of rhythm heaven 5 being announced this year (probably at nintendo's e3 equivalent direct or smth) is that a year or two ago when tengoku was 15 years old i'm pretty sure there was literally a direct LITERALLY ON AUGUST 3RD and yet there was (ofc) no announcement. 😔 n that was 2021 so it was literally THE year when rhythm heaven was blowing up from people playing it idk why so many people were playing fever around that time tbh hfgfvgfhff-

#puppy rambles #rhythm hell #but anyways we only got a couple months to go probably :3 #thank god honestly i've been waiting for two years-#and then nintendo can kill the switch n make the nintendo 3ds TWO /j

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w0rld0flight · 1 year

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Bro I saw a post on Twitter where they said that Pyra and Mythra being in Smash Ultimate was a "waste of slot" and it made me go ughhhhhh

Like come on just let it go they were revealed two years ago at 2021 and it's already 2023, just move on and accept that reality LOL And besides, before Smash Ultimate was even revealed at E3 2018, weren't there a lot of people who wanted the both of them (As well as Rex!) to be in the game? 🙃

Sorry for the rant LOL I just sometimes wonder why a lot of people take the funny crossover fighting game so seriously. Like it's just Smash Bros., relax!

P.S. The fact that Pyra and Mythra were first revealed in a Nintendo Direct in February 2021 makes me feel so old like time is so fast, dang.

#ganessa says stuff #super smash bros.#smash bros.#ssb #super smash bros. ultimate #smash bros. ultimate #smash ultimate #ssbu #xenoblade chronicles 2 #(rant warning)#sorry i just wanted to get this out of my chest LOL #i'm just sick and tired of people who complain LOL

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achillesmonochrome · 1 year

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Yes! It was a very boring Pokemon Direct! And thank fuck for it!

There are many, many things to complain about the Pokemon Company and Game Freaks; you can point of most of them with the last mainline games.

Yet the last thing that I had seen popping up lately is making me wonder what the fuck are you all thinking.

All I had been seen is people complaining how boring was the nintendo direct, asking for X or Y game, or so on.

And at this point I am wondering why you want any of that.

In a span of a year, we got three mainline pokemon games.

November 19, 2021: BDSP.

January 28, 2022: Legends Arceus.

November 18, 2022: Scarlet and Violet.

And how did that go?

BDSP: A remake that the pokemon company didn't actually make, probably because they were busy with Arceus and Scarvio.

The excuse of being 'like the original' ended up making it an extreme dull remake; even the people who weren't deterred for the art style didn't seem to like it too much, and I even know of youtubers who abandoned gameplays of it; and those are the people that do it for work.

Legends Arceus: I really liked this game, so I watched many videos and gameplays of it, want me to tell you something I came across multiple times "If you gave it a year or two extra, all of these issues wouldn't be there."

Popping issues, errors here and there, so on. Arceus came with its fair share of problems.

Scarlet and Violet: I could list every issue it has, but honestly I bet if you haven't encounter issues yourself, you have seen the funny videos or at least see the reviews because I'm pretty sure the ratings of anything that lets users vote the rating ended in the slumps because of their issues.

And what are you all complaining about? Games.

Scarvio and Legends were made in parallel to each other, most probably two teams (and this company isn't exactly big, is a bit more than 150.) Not sure how many people were working on Scarvio once Legends came out, but it clearly not enough.

Scarvio is still, getting updates for bugs, and I swear the popping keeps getting worse.

Now please someone explain me why anyone want a new game in these conditions.

The last year or two were poured into mainlines games and it wasn't enough, even if they would had announced a Mystery Dungeons or similar, I doubt it would had been any polishing in it.

Because in case you guys forgot, we have THREE Nintendo Directs a year.

And if you haven't notice, they don't do the things you will see in E3 of saying "yeah we are working on this game and it may take us another 5 years before launch." Oh no no.

Want to hear something funny? I remember when I first heard the rumors of Pokemon doing a Region in Spain; I heard it from Spanish friends since there were News of people of the pokemon company in Japan going to the european headquarters in Spain; and people caught on that detail because something similar happened with sending people to Hawaii and then we had Gen 7.

If you notice a bit of doubt while saying this story, is because it happened years ago; before Gen 8 was announced.

Not when Sword and Shield came out, before we even had an announcement. We didn't even know about Galar yet.

And before someone call me out saying there is no way they had been working on Scarvio this long and still came out this messy- If people were sent there, was because that was the earliest of the stages, planning. They wouldn't even have a title for it yet.

But this means it has been in the planning for awhile, and when did we hear first about gen 9? Last year, the same year it was coming out.

And this isn't even getting into how the pacing for these games is not slowing down, and they should.

It took this company longer than it should get with the times, it really isn't totally yet there to be honest.

The games are getting more and more complex in every possible way and there is no way they can keep up if they continue insisting we need to have mainline games this frequent.

Like seriously, had ANY of you thought of how much more complicated this is getting? My first generation was the fourth one, the sprites of the protagonist for example had an animation for walking, running, for pulling the pokeball to fly, and if someone remembers anything else please tell me.

Our MC in scarvio? You can go down, you have an animation for sneaking, you have idle animations, if you go to a specific part in the menu you have different ones as well alongside poses and so on. And this isn't even getting into the level of customization that believe me, in my generation? Not even in our wildest dreams.

And even then the MC still needs a lot of polish. Like even if we have different expressions a lot of times it feels mechanic.

Again, I am not saying Game Freak is exempt for criticism. Complain about the bugs, complain about the graphics.

But don't fucking come at me saying you want games and shit with every pokemon direct. We have three a year, of course we are going to have boring ones, and frankly we don't have enough, BECAUSE THE GAMES STILL COME BROKEN.

You guys don't think that I am frustrated? I love Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, I adore the story and the characters it has; the ending is the best this franchise ever had (and I will die in this hill.) The fact that you can take any gym, titan or stair raid is brilliant because now you establish your own pace. Oh you don't want to do this bit of story yet? That's cool, you can just do anything else; is not like in previous games where if you want to see more map but didn't want to evil team raid despite the story saying so, well you were out of luck.

If Scarlet and Violet came without the bugs and had a good scaling system, it would had been without a doubt, the best pokemon games we got up to date.

And what we got was such a buggy mess Nintendo was giving refunds like this is 2016 and we are playing No Man's Sky.

I'm absolutely furious that we could have gotten something so great and we didn't get it, and why was that? Oh yeah THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME.

Hell want me to be honest? It scares me how the only things we have gotten for the DLC are art work; if they can't even give us a proper trailer it worries me how much they have done, and more importantly, how much can be finish by the dates we have.

Games aren't an easy task, hell I had seen books that had taken more time that pokemon games.

Complain that they have bugs, complain that they are not giving devs enough time, complain that we don't have enough devs- but don't fucking come crying about a Nintendo Direct being boring when not only we got a mainline game recently, it came broken because of it.

#pokemon #pokemon direct #rant #I may delete this later

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gamerbulten · 2 months

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sulan1809 · 4 months

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E3 - A despedida definitiva da maior feira de games

Em 1995, foi estabelecida a Electronic Entertainment Expo, também conhecida como E3, espaço no qual as grandes produtoras de games tiveram espaço para mostrar projetos inovadores para as próximas gerações. No entanto, a Entertainment Software Association, fez uma declaração recente no T-X(Twitter), dizendo que a E3 está cancelada permanentemente, o que indica que as edições de 2024 e 2025, ano em que o evento comemoraria 30 anos, estão fora dos planos da E.S.A., definitivamente. Atualmente o período de lançamentos de games no meio ano acontecem através de showcases próprios, e pelo Summer Games Fest, evento anual que apresenta diversas novidades sobre o mundo dos games. A última edição presencial da E3 foi em 2019, e naquela época tinha muito impacto na indústria de games.

Depois de mais de duas décadas de E3, cada uma maior que a anterior, chegou a hora de dizer adeus. Obrigado pelas lembranças.

Diversos acontecimentos corroboraram para essa decisão, tais como a ascensão de novos competidores, eventos digitais(sendo um dos maiores exemplos a Nintendo Direct), e a pandemia do Coronavírus em 2020, que causou o cancelamento massivo de diversos eventos presenciais. A última edição da E3 foi em 2021, de maneira digital.

#E3 #electronic entertainment expo

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captainmdhridoyhossain-blog · 1 year

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pinkytelephone · 1 year

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Yo random question but how did you discover Advance Wars? (That's my favorite game series by the way, if you couldn't already tell)

I was watching Nintendo's 2021 E3 direct, the one where the remakes were announced, in hopes of some news about Splatoon 3. At the time I didn't think too much about them, but fast forward about 2 months and I got a playthrough of AW2 recommended to me on YouTube that I decided to watch. I ended up really enjoying it and that's what really pulled me in.

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jajihealth · 2 years

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新型Switchや『スプラトゥーン3』『ゼルダBotW』の続編に関する情報はあるのか？ 6月16日の「Nintendo Direct E3 2021」で発表される可能性の高い新作タイトルの予想まとめ | 中身

画像は任天堂公式サイトより「Nintendo Direct E3 2021」は2021年6月16日午前1時から放送。任天堂関連タイトルが一挙に放送される任天堂のE3版が今年もやってくるということで、きっと読者はみな興奮している。今年の任天堂では、年末までに発売予定のタイトルを中心に、Nintendo Switchのソフト情報を発表します。さて、今回は何を発表するのでしょうか。タイトル候補を予想してみました。先行発売タイトルの続報「クレヨンしんちゃん『ぼくとDr.の夏休み』～終わらない7日間の旅～」過去に任天堂向けに発表済みのタイトルについては、続報が発表される可能性が高い。たとえば、次のタイトルの詳細が表示される可能性があります。・『マリオゴルフスーパーラッシュ』（6月25日発売予定）・『ゼルダの戦士…

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#VR #アニメーション #ゲーム*スパーク #コンピューターゲーム #スマホゲーム #ソニー #その他 #任天堂

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famicom-wars-advance · 2 years

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So how did I get into AW? Well, it starts on June 15th, 2021. The day of Nintendo's E3 direct. I was there hoping to get some Splatoon 3 news, of which there wasn't any. I watched the direct on my computer while logged out of my YouTube account. Fast forward 2 months and I haven't really used my computer since then. I wanted to do some drawing, and started looking on YouTube for something to listen to in the background. Since I hadn't watched anything on my computer since the direct, I was still getting recommendations of games showcased in it, and one of those was a playthrough of AW2.

I was gonna click on a Phasmophobia video, but I decided "Hey, I like military stuff, I'll give it a watch" and proceded to watch the whole video.

I enjoyed watching it, perhaps a little too much. I hadn't felt this weirdly excited and happy since I got into Splatoon nearly 2 years prior. I thought that it'd just go away after a week or so, since that's usually how long most of my interests lasted, but as I'm sure you can tell, it didn't.

At the time, I was actually at the very tail end of a sketchbook (not pictured in the before post,) and ended up making my first character drawings of the series on the last 2 pages. So who was the first character I drew for the game?